Cheating Scandal Triggering TJ Change

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Anonymous wrote:Maybe TJ will be different, but that doesn't mean it will be "destroyed."

Making TJ different sounds like something we need.

Exactly. Especially if it's not full of cheaters or the product of testing centers.

I thought hundreds of people criminally charged and convicted and sentenced for the most egregious cheating involving schools were conniving and scheming white ass people.

How cute. A cheater defending your actions by re-directing.

They own what they did was wroing. They are paying hundreds of thousands of dollars and doing time.

What should happen to those who participated in Curiegate?

EXPULSION

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Maybe TJ will be different, but that doesn't mean it will be "destroyed."

Making TJ different sounds like something we need.

Exactly. Especially if it's not full of cheaters or the product of testing centers.

I thought hundreds of people criminally charged and convicted and sentenced for the most egregious cheating involving schools were conniving and scheming white ass people.

How cute. A cheater defending your actions by re-directing.

They own what they did was wroing. They are paying hundreds of thousands of dollars and doing time.

What should happen to those who participated in Curiegate?

EXPULSION

There is no way that this will be on the table. I'm as pissed about CurieGate as anyone, but there's no way to know that those kids were aware of what was going on when it was going on. They shouldn't be punished just because Curie was stupid enough to publish their first and last names (and, by the way, whether or not they got into the two Loudoun academies).

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Maybe TJ will be different, but that doesn't mean it will be "destroyed."

Making TJ different sounds like something we need.

Exactly. Especially if it's not full of cheaters or the product of testing centers.

I thought hundreds of people criminally charged and convicted and sentenced for the most egregious cheating involving schools were conniving and scheming white ass people.

How cute. A cheater defending your actions by re-directing.

They own what they did was wroing. They are paying hundreds of thousands of dollars and doing time.

What should happen to those who participated in Curiegate?

EXPULSION

There is no way that this will be on the table. I'm as pissed about CurieGate as anyone, but there's no way to know that those kids were aware of what was going on when it was going on. They shouldn't be punished just because Curie was stupid enough to publish their first and last names (and, by the way, whether or not they got into the two Loudoun academies).

What, if anything, should FCPS offer to the students that were in the semi finalist pool, but not admitted?

My child was a semi finalist and he did not prep partially due to the Admissions Office middle school presentation where they said prep would not help. We took them at their word. $100 is not insignificant for us.

I can’t even imagine how students who were on the wait list feel! Hopefully all of them got in?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I'm a white TJ graduate and I would be FINE if the percentage of white students stayed the same or (even better) went down, while the percentages of other under-represented minorities became more balanced across the board. I definitely don't care about making TJ white again. I do care about giving black and brown students (esp from disadvantaged backgrounds) a chance.

And, since I obv have no skin in the game as an old person alumni, I'll say that if my kid was applying to TJ (he isn't; we don't live in Fx anymore), I'd be fine if he wasn't accepted so that a student of color could attend. My kid gets lots of privilege from his parents' status as white people, and, while TJ might be a great opportunity for him, it's perfectly acceptable to me to give up a "spot" so others without that kind of systemic privilege have more opportunity.

Please don't assume that all alumni (or even most) support admission reform b/c they want TJ to be more white again.

I think it is about making TJ less Asian, than more white. This is systemic racism towards Asians. Most Asians are immigrants with no family money or white privilege backing them. They are not large enough to have a voice being still a minority community and many still have language barriers and poor writing skills. FCPS should not try to bring down one population at the expense of another.

Asians are in the wealthiest racial group in the country.

Only a racist could believe that. The wealthiest racial group in this country is white.

Liar from a privilege hoarder.

https://www.census.gov/content/dam/Census/library/visualizations/2018/demo/p60-263/figure1.pdf

This has been debunked before. Most Asians live in big cities where the salary is higher and as a result, it appeared that Asians do have higher income. Moreover, Asians families do have many two working parents.

If you look at the billionaires, Asians is no more than 1% of the list.

[Anonymous]

Can someone point to any evidence of cheating? Or is it just in the eyes of beholders?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Maybe TJ will be different, but that doesn't mean it will be "destroyed."

Making TJ different sounds like something we need.

Exactly. Especially if it's not full of cheaters or the product of testing centers.

I thought hundreds of people criminally charged and convicted and sentenced for the most egregious cheating involving schools were conniving and scheming white ass people.

How cute. A cheater defending your actions by re-directing.

They own what they did was wroing. They are paying hundreds of thousands of dollars and doing time.

What should happen to those who participated in Curiegate?

EXPULSION

This. Exactly. They had the exam in advance.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Maybe TJ will be different, but that doesn't mean it will be "destroyed."

Making TJ different sounds like something we need.

Exactly. Especially if it's not full of cheaters or the product of testing centers.

I thought hundreds of people criminally charged and convicted and sentenced for the most egregious cheating involving schools were conniving and scheming white ass people.

How cute. A cheater defending your actions by re-directing.

They own what they did was wroing. They are paying hundreds of thousands of dollars and doing time.

What should happen to those who participated in Curiegate?

EXPULSION

There is no way that this will be on the table. I'm as pissed about CurieGate as anyone, but there's no way to know that those kids were aware of what was going on when it was going on. They shouldn't be punished just because Curie was stupid enough to publish their first and last names (and, by the way, whether or not they got into the two Loudoun academies).

What, if anything, should FCPS offer to the students that were in the semi finalist pool, but not admitted?

My child was a semi finalist and he did not prep partially due to the Admissions Office middle school presentation where they said prep would not help. We took them at their word. $100 is not insignificant for us.

I can’t even imagine how students who were on the wait list feel! Hopefully all of them got in?

At some point integrity should count.

[Anonymous]

I am OOS and have a lots of questions, so bear with me. What is the evidence of cheating? It looks like a prep school supplies 28% of students non-public information? What is the non-public information? A non-public information supplied by an insider?

[Anonymous]

What is CurieGate? Were they all French?

[Anonymous]

Madame Curie was Polish.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I can’t wrap my head around how some parents are arguing that this was not cheating. Their kids had access to what would be on the test. Every other child (prepped or not) did not. The Curie students had an unfair advantage due to the test bank and it showed in the admissions numbers. (28% of the class of 2024 - jaw dropping)

It’s completely foreign to me that someone could view this as okay.

What? They had no way of knowing what would be on the test.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It is amazing that the cheating families don't understand right from wrong and that having a copy of the test in advance is wrong.

I think this is why many families don't want their children at TJ...due to the culture.

They didn't have a copy of the test in advance.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I can’t wrap my head around how some parents are arguing that this was not cheating. Their kids had access to what would be on the test. Every other child (prepped or not) did not. The Curie students had an unfair advantage due to the test bank and it showed in the admissions numbers. (28% of the class of 2024 - jaw dropping)

It’s completely foreign to me that someone could view this as okay.

What? They had no way of knowing what would be on the test.

They have said that they saw the questions during their prep classes at Curie. I believe the students when they say they had no idea that Curie was cheating, and I also believe them when they say that they saw test questions before the test.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:I can’t wrap my head around how some parents are arguing that this was not cheating. Their kids had access to what would be on the test. Every other child (prepped or not) did not. The Curie students had an unfair advantage due to the test bank and it showed in the admissions numbers. (28% of the class of 2024 - jaw dropping)

It’s completely foreign to me that someone could view this as okay.

What? They had no way of knowing what would be on the test.

They have said that they saw the questions during their prep classes at Curie. I believe the students when they say they had no idea that Curie was cheating, and I also believe them when they say that they saw test questions before the test.

Do we know for sure whether Curie students saw "exact same" questions at Curie before the TJ test, or similar questions?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I can’t wrap my head around how some parents are arguing that this was not cheating. Their kids had access to what would be on the test. Every other child (prepped or not) did not. The Curie students had an unfair advantage due to the test bank and it showed in the admissions numbers. (28% of the class of 2024 - jaw dropping)

It’s completely foreign to me that someone could view this as okay.

What? They had no way of knowing what would be on the test.

They have said that they saw the questions during their prep classes at Curie. I believe the students when they say they had no idea that Curie was cheating, and I also believe them when they say that they saw test questions before the test.

Do we know for sure whether Curie students saw "exact same" questions at Curie before the TJ test, or similar questions?

The kids sure seem to know for sure. I doubt that the kids were given a copy of the test, or even that Curie was given a copy of the test.

What has been reported on TJ Vents is that students took the test back in 2017 - the first time it was administered for the Class of 2022 (which dropped from 75% Asian to 65% Asian and raised URM from 3% to 9%) - then came back to Curie with questions memorized. The exam consists of 28 math puzzles, so it's not hard to believe that the questions would be memorable. This is the part that is considered to be cheating because the Quant-Q is supposed to be secure. Anyone who sees the test, proctor or student, is required to sign a statement promising not to discuss any of its content - something that does not happen with nearly any other standardized exam.

Students come to Curie, who has both the questions from the 2022 exam and a bank of questions that they have developed that are similar to show the techniques needed to solve each type of problem quickly and efficiently. The students coming in likely have no idea that Curie is working off of materials that they aren't supposed to have, and no one knows who provided it to them except for them, as it's possible that the students who brought the questions back didn't even get into TJ.

2023 and 2024 students go to take the Quant-Q, and realize "Wow, I've seen this question before!" and subsequently create a huge imbalance in the admissions process - because TJ applicants are selected for the semifinal round based on a national percentile, not a raw score. These students then go on to tell their friends that they had seen the questions before, and it makes it on to TJ Vents - which initially redacts the name of the company and its leader but both are posted in the comments.