Cheating Scandal Triggering TJ Change

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Maybe TJ will be different, but that doesn't mean it will be "destroyed."

Making TJ different sounds like something we need.

Exactly. Especially if it's not full of cheaters or the product of testing centers.

I thought hundreds of people criminally charged and convicted and sentenced for the most egregious cheating involving schools were conniving and scheming white ass people.

I mean, both things happened. It's not an either-or situation.

Varsity Blues happened, and CurieGate happened. They're both awful, and in all likelihood the perpetrators of CurieGate will never be held accountable for their actions. But at least something's being done about the loophole that they were able to exploit.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I'm a white TJ graduate and I would be FINE if the percentage of white students stayed the same or (even better) went down, while the percentages of other under-represented minorities became more balanced across the board. I definitely don't care about making TJ white again. I do care about giving black and brown students (esp from disadvantaged backgrounds) a chance.

And, since I obv have no skin in the game as an old person alumni, I'll say that if my kid was applying to TJ (he isn't; we don't live in Fx anymore), I'd be fine if he wasn't accepted so that a student of color could attend. My kid gets lots of privilege from his parents' status as white people, and, while TJ might be a great opportunity for him, it's perfectly acceptable to me to give up a "spot" so others without that kind of systemic privilege have more opportunity.

Please don't assume that all alumni (or even most) support admission reform b/c they want TJ to be more white again.

I think it is about making TJ less Asian, than more white. This is systemic racism towards Asians. Most Asians are immigrants with no family money or white privilege backing them. They are not large enough to have a voice being still a minority community and many still have language barriers and poor writing skills. FCPS should not try to bring down one population at the expense of another.

Asians are in the wealthiest racial group in the country.

Only a racist could believe that. The wealthiest racial group in this country is white.

Liar from a privilege hoarder.

https://www.census.gov/content/dam/Census/library/visualizations/2018/demo/p60-263/figure1.pdf

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm a white TJ graduate and I would be FINE if the percentage of white students stayed the same or (even better) went down, while the percentages of other under-represented minorities became more balanced across the board. I definitely don't care about making TJ white again. I do care about giving black and brown students (esp from disadvantaged backgrounds) a chance.

And, since I obv have no skin in the game as an old person alumni, I'll say that if my kid was applying to TJ (he isn't; we don't live in Fx anymore), I'd be fine if he wasn't accepted so that a student of color could attend. My kid gets lots of privilege from his parents' status as white people, and, while TJ might be a great opportunity for him, it's perfectly acceptable to me to give up a "spot" so others without that kind of systemic privilege have more opportunity.

Please don't assume that all alumni (or even most) support admission reform b/c they want TJ to be more white again.

I think it is about making TJ less Asian, than more white. This is systemic racism towards Asians. Most Asians are immigrants with no family money or white privilege backing them. They are not large enough to have a voice being still a minority community and many still have language barriers and poor writing skills. FCPS should not try to bring down one population at the expense of another.

Asians are in the wealthiest racial group in the country.

Only a racist could believe that. The wealthiest racial group in this country is white.

Liar from a privilege hoarder.

https://www.census.gov/content/dam/Census/library/visualizations/2018/demo/p60-263/figure1.pdf

wealth is different than income smart guy. You must not be Asian
https://www.taxpolicycenter.org/fiscal-fact/median-value-wealth-race-ff03112019

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Maybe TJ will be different, but that doesn't mean it will be "destroyed."

Making TJ different sounds like something we need.

Exactly. Especially if it's not full of cheaters or the product of testing centers.

I thought hundreds of people criminally charged and convicted and sentenced for the most egregious cheating involving schools were conniving and scheming white ass people.

Those were parents paying for their kids to be accepted at preferred schools by lying, and fabricating, athletic skills OR hiring people to take their kids SATs or ACTs OR hiring people to change answers on their kids SAT or ACTs.

This cheating is providing kids with a test bank that give them the questions in advance. It is similar to the test banks at College that kids use to cheat on exams. I always loved those, I used the same question but rotated the answers. You could always tell the really lazy kids who used an old test to study from. It was kind of fun and very quickly stopped the use of test banks for my class. Don't worry, there were not that many repeat questions on my exams, it was easy enough to change things up each year. But I always tossed on a few because it entertained me. The difference between the test banks and Curie is that the kids at Curie have parents paying thousands of dollars to prep for the test, including the test bank.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Maybe TJ will be different, but that doesn't mean it will be "destroyed."

Making TJ different sounds like something we need.

Exactly. Especially if it's not full of cheaters or the product of testing centers.

I thought hundreds of people criminally charged and convicted and sentenced for the most egregious cheating involving schools were conniving and scheming white ass people.

Those were parents paying for their kids to be accepted at preferred schools by lying, and fabricating, athletic skills OR hiring people to take their kids SATs or ACTs OR hiring people to change answers on their kids SAT or ACTs.

This cheating is providing kids with a test bank that give them the questions in advance. It is similar to the test banks at College that kids use to cheat on exams. I always loved those, I used the same question but rotated the answers. You could always tell the really lazy kids who used an old test to study from. It was kind of fun and very quickly stopped the use of test banks for my class. Don't worry, there were not that many repeat questions on my exams, it was easy enough to change things up each year. But I always tossed on a few because it entertained me. The difference between the test banks and Curie is that the kids at Curie have parents paying thousands of dollars to prep for the test, including the test bank.

So did Curie have a test bank? I hadn’t heard this one before!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm a white TJ graduate and I would be FINE if the percentage of white students stayed the same or (even better) went down, while the percentages of other under-represented minorities became more balanced across the board. I definitely don't care about making TJ white again. I do care about giving black and brown students (esp from disadvantaged backgrounds) a chance.

And, since I obv have no skin in the game as an old person alumni, I'll say that if my kid was applying to TJ (he isn't; we don't live in Fx anymore), I'd be fine if he wasn't accepted so that a student of color could attend. My kid gets lots of privilege from his parents' status as white people, and, while TJ might be a great opportunity for him, it's perfectly acceptable to me to give up a "spot" so others without that kind of systemic privilege have more opportunity.

Please don't assume that all alumni (or even most) support admission reform b/c they want TJ to be more white again.

I think it is about making TJ less Asian, than more white. This is systemic racism towards Asians. Most Asians are immigrants with no family money or white privilege backing them. They are not large enough to have a voice being still a minority community and many still have language barriers and poor writing skills. FCPS should not try to bring down one population at the expense of another.

Asians are in the wealthiest racial group in the country.

Only a racist could believe that. The wealthiest racial group in this country is white.

Liar from a privilege hoarder.

https://www.census.gov/content/dam/Census/library/visualizations/2018/demo/p60-263/figure1.pdf

wealth is different than income smart guy. You must not be Asian
https://www.taxpolicycenter.org/fiscal-fact/median-value-wealth-race-ff03112019[/quote

Doesn't even break out Asians separately so not very convincing.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Maybe TJ will be different, but that doesn't mean it will be "destroyed."

Making TJ different sounds like something we need.

Exactly. Especially if it's not full of cheaters or the product of testing centers.

I thought hundreds of people criminally charged and convicted and sentenced for the most egregious cheating involving schools were conniving and scheming white ass people.

Those were parents paying for their kids to be accepted at preferred schools by lying, and fabricating, athletic skills OR hiring people to take their kids SATs or ACTs OR hiring people to change answers on their kids SAT or ACTs.

This cheating is providing kids with a test bank that give them the questions in advance. It is similar to the test banks at College that kids use to cheat on exams. I always loved those, I used the same question but rotated the answers. You could always tell the really lazy kids who used an old test to study from. It was kind of fun and very quickly stopped the use of test banks for my class. Don't worry, there were not that many repeat questions on my exams, it was easy enough to change things up each year. But I always tossed on a few because it entertained me. The difference between the test banks and Curie is that the kids at Curie have parents paying thousands of dollars to prep for the test, including the test bank.

So did Curie have a test bank? I hadn’t heard this one before!

Curie keeps the questions the kids bring back and uses them the following year. What exactly would you call that? Just because the kids don't bring back a copy of the test and are bringing back individual questions, doesn't change the fact that it is a test bank.

[Anonymous]

I can’t wrap my head around how some parents are arguing that this was not cheating. Their kids had access to what would be on the test. Every other child (prepped or not) did not. The Curie students had an unfair advantage due to the test bank and it showed in the admissions numbers. (28% of the class of 2024 - jaw dropping)

It’s completely foreign to me that someone could view this as okay.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I can’t wrap my head around how some parents are arguing that this was not cheating. Their kids had access to what would be on the test. Every other child (prepped or not) did not. The Curie students had an unfair advantage due to the test bank and it showed in the admissions numbers. (28% of the class of 2024 - jaw dropping)

It’s completely foreign to me that someone could view this as okay.

If you spend any time at all at TJ, you rapidly learn that the vast majority of students and parents have no idea what constitutes academic integrity or academic fraud.

Some of it is genuine and some of it is insidious. And you see it on this forum too. The apple doesn't fall far from the tree.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I can’t wrap my head around how some parents are arguing that this was not cheating. Their kids had access to what would be on the test. Every other child (prepped or not) did not. The Curie students had an unfair advantage due to the test bank and it showed in the admissions numbers. (28% of the class of 2024 - jaw dropping)

It’s completely foreign to me that someone could view this as okay.

If you spend any time at all at TJ, you rapidly learn that the vast majority of students and parents have no idea what constitutes academic integrity or academic fraud.

Some of it is genuine and some of it is insidious. And you see it on this forum too. The apple doesn't fall far from the tree.

"In looking for people to hire look for three qualities: integrity, intelligence and energy. And if they don't have the first, the other two will kill you." Warren Buffet

[Anonymous]

It is amazing that the cheating families don't understand right from wrong and that having a copy of the test in advance is wrong.

I think this is why many families don't want their children at TJ...due to the culture.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Maybe TJ will be different, but that doesn't mean it will be "destroyed."

Making TJ different sounds like something we need.

Exactly. Especially if it's not full of cheaters or the product of testing centers.

I thought hundreds of people criminally charged and convicted and sentenced for the most egregious cheating involving schools were conniving and scheming white ass people.

How cute. A cheater defending your actions by re-directing.

They own what they did was wroing. They are paying hundreds of thousands of dollars and doing time.

[Anonymous]

Curiegate is really not different than Varsity Blues.

Curiegate the kids had the test bank in advance.

In Varsity Blues the tests were modified before submittal.

Both wrong.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Cheating is not a racist issue.

Our children deserve a learning environment that fuels integrity, not one that discourages it.

“Whoever is careless with the truth in small matters cannot be trusted with important matters”
― Albert Einstein

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Maybe TJ will be different, but that doesn't mean it will be "destroyed."

Making TJ different sounds like something we need.

Exactly. Especially if it's not full of cheaters or the product of testing centers.

I thought hundreds of people criminally charged and convicted and sentenced for the most egregious cheating involving schools were conniving and scheming white ass people.

How cute. A cheater defending your actions by re-directing.

They own what they did was wroing. They are paying hundreds of thousands of dollars and doing time.

What should happen to those who participated in Curiegate?