ST Math

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Can someone explain this to me. What are the levels. What does pedals mean or penguins? My middle schooler is assigned to do this and it seems like a waste. Does not even have the concepts he is learning.

It is a complete waste of a middle schoolers time. Most schools seem to not be adjusting the levels, so all the kids are starting on first grade. There is a lot of mindless repetition.

Who's idea was it to get this. Our child's middle school teacher assigns this without worksheets. it doesn't seem to have functions, Pythagorean theorem or any of that on it so it is completely out of place.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Thinking about sitting down with a scotch tonight breaking out DD's laptop, taking one for the team and getting her past the petals

I love you!

Now can somebody explain the levels? They have given us no information, but they assign it for HW every single time, even if it has NOTHING to do with the lesson.

I would love to tell you more, but my 4th and 6th graders have been trapped in first grade place value hell for two weeks.

[Anonymous]

DD started complaining that it was too easy, so her teacher is going to bump her up a few levels. We’ll see how this goes.

[Anonymous]

Huh I am surprised because my 5th grade AAP kid has ST Math time but not any of these problems. That’s not to say he loves it or to debate the value but no issues with being stuck on levels or whatever. The teachers included it in an info session for parents. They told us students can do two paths - specific teacher assigned “levels” or “units” whatever they are called and then the regular self guided adaptive path. I wonder if not all teachers have the same understanding? They also explained to parents it may not look like real math but it is meant to help in “seeing” math instead of just seeing algorithms.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Huh I am surprised because my 5th grade AAP kid has ST Math time but not any of these problems. That’s not to say he loves it or to debate the value but no issues with being stuck on levels or whatever. The teachers included it in an info session for parents. They told us students can do two paths - specific teacher assigned “levels” or “units” whatever they are called and then the regular self guided adaptive path. I wonder if not all teachers have the same understanding? They also explained to parents it may not look like real math but it is meant to help in “seeing” math instead of just seeing algorithms.

The complaints seem to be that schools/teachers aren't putting kids on specific lessons--everyone is starting at first grade and the program moves verrrrrrry slowly (apparently on purpose as it was designed for kids with SNs).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Huh I am surprised because my 5th grade AAP kid has ST Math time but not any of these problems. That’s not to say he loves it or to debate the value but no issues with being stuck on levels or whatever. The teachers included it in an info session for parents. They told us students can do two paths - specific teacher assigned “levels” or “units” whatever they are called and then the regular self guided adaptive path. I wonder if not all teachers have the same understanding? They also explained to parents it may not look like real math but it is meant to help in “seeing” math instead of just seeing algorithms.

The complaints seem to be that schools/teachers aren't putting kids on specific lessons--everyone is starting at first grade and the program moves verrrrrrry slowly (apparently on purpose as it was designed for kids with SNs).

No, this makes you sound ignorant. You don't want to show that you don't know anything about dyslexia, do you? Don't just spout nonsense please.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Yes - ST math will adjust. It was also written by people who have a learning disability and it was made to support all learners which is why there are no written directions.

LOL. That tells me everything I need to know about this program, and why my kid kept saying it's stupid, easy, and boring.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Thinking about sitting down with a scotch tonight breaking out DD's laptop, taking one for the team and getting her past the petals

I love you!

Now can somebody explain the levels? They have given us no information, but they assign it for HW every single time, even if it has NOTHING to do with the lesson.

I would love to tell you more, but my 4th and 6th graders have been trapped in first grade place value hell for two weeks.

Don't forget estimating hell. Because apparently kids can't be trusted to correctly calculate things and have to first be taught to estimate as a feel good backup...

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Yes - ST math will adjust. It was also written by people who have a learning disability and it was made to support all learners which is why there are no written directions.

LOL. That tells me everything I need to know about this program, and why my kid kept saying it's stupid, easy, and boring.

I have one kid with learning disabilities and one that’s a genius like your little snowflake and if the level is adjusted correctly, it can be helpful for both.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Yes - ST math will adjust. It was also written by people who have a learning disability and it was made to support all learners which is why there are no written directions.

LOL. That tells me everything I need to know about this program, and why my kid kept saying it's stupid, easy, and boring.

WOW. You are an insensitive asshole. Go away troll.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Yes - ST math will adjust. It was also written by people who have a learning disability and it was made to support all learners which is why there are no written directions.

LOL. That tells me everything I need to know about this program, and why my kid kept saying it's stupid, easy, and boring.

I have one kid with learning disabilities and one that’s a genius like your little snowflake and if the level is adjusted correctly, it can be helpful for both.

Not sure why you're getting hurt here, I truly think it explains a lot. I have absolutely nothing against SN, or any kid with any kind of disability. I'm just pointing out the stupidity of forcing this program down everyone's throat, especially in an AAP class, where I'm seeing more than half of the kids bored to tears (so definitely not just my kid). Cmon FCPS... use the right tool for the job! This is fine for some kids, but it clearly isn't going to work for others. In any case, now I definitely have no say when my kid is telling the truth. At least now at home he can read on the computer or do something productive while he's waiting for the teacher to finish explaining how to click and drag pictures to make place values. And the teacher can't see and scold them because they're not "paying attention" to the nonsense.

COVID is definitely exposing the internals of what kind of learning is taking place in school, and it's definitely sad. So far, it's about 1 hour worth of real honest learning, and the rest a bunch of fluff, repetition, and following directions. I don't think this will change too much for the rest of the year, and I don't think this would have been much different even in a live class. Even in an AAP class, which was also sadly predictable.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Yes - ST math will adjust. It was also written by people who have a learning disability and it was made to support all learners which is why there are no written directions.

LOL. That tells me everything I need to know about this program, and why my kid kept saying it's stupid, easy, and boring.

I have one kid with learning disabilities and one that’s a genius like your little snowflake and if the level is adjusted correctly, it can be helpful for both.

Not sure why you're getting hurt here, I truly think it explains a lot. I have absolutely nothing against SN, or any kid with any kind of disability. I'm just pointing out the stupidity of forcing this program down everyone's throat, especially in an AAP class, where I'm seeing more than half of the kids bored to tears (so definitely not just my kid). Cmon FCPS... use the right tool for the job! This is fine for some kids, but it clearly isn't going to work for others. In any case, now I definitely have no say when my kid is telling the truth. At least now at home he can read on the computer or do something productive while he's waiting for the teacher to finish explaining how to click and drag pictures to make place values. And the teacher can't see and scold them because they're not "paying attention" to the nonsense.

COVID is definitely exposing the internals of what kind of learning is taking place in school, and it's definitely sad. So far, it's about 1 hour worth of real honest learning, and the rest a bunch of fluff, repetition, and following directions. I don't think this will change too much for the rest of the year, and I don't think this would have been much different even in a live class. Even in an AAP class, which was also sadly predictable.

DP. You're not understanding. It was written by someone with dyslexia who wrote a math focused math app, not a writing focused math app.

That's not bad for any kids, AAP or not.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Yes - ST math will adjust. It was also written by people who have a learning disability and it was made to support all learners which is why there are no written directions.

LOL. That tells me everything I need to know about this program, and why my kid kept saying it's stupid, easy, and boring.

I have one kid with learning disabilities and one that’s a genius like your little snowflake and if the level is adjusted correctly, it can be helpful for both.

Not sure why you're getting hurt here, I truly think it explains a lot. I have absolutely nothing against SN, or any kid with any kind of disability. I'm just pointing out the stupidity of forcing this program down everyone's throat, especially in an AAP class, where I'm seeing more than half of the kids bored to tears (so definitely not just my kid). Cmon FCPS... use the right tool for the job! This is fine for some kids, but it clearly isn't going to work for others. In any case, now I definitely have no say when my kid is telling the truth. At least now at home he can read on the computer or do something productive while he's waiting for the teacher to finish explaining how to click and drag pictures to make place values. And the teacher can't see and scold them because they're not "paying attention" to the nonsense.

COVID is definitely exposing the internals of what kind of learning is taking place in school, and it's definitely sad. So far, it's about 1 hour worth of real honest learning, and the rest a bunch of fluff, repetition, and following directions. I don't think this will change too much for the rest of the year, and I don't think this would have been much different even in a live class. Even in an AAP class, which was also sadly predictable.

DP. You're not understanding. It was written by someone with dyslexia who wrote a math focused math app, not a writing focused math app.

That's not bad for any kids, AAP or not.

Of course I get that. It's just that it really doesn't really cater to all the kids. It just can't, by design. And the data and numerous posts here show that it is painful and largely a waste of time. There are many other programs, including lots of free ones such as KA that are perfectly fine and straightforward. But as usual, it's another misguided attempt by FCPS to spend $$ to farm math learning away from the teachers hands and into the corporations pockets.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Yes - ST math will adjust. It was also written by people who have a learning disability and it was made to support all learners which is why there are no written directions.

LOL. That tells me everything I need to know about this program, and why my kid kept saying it's stupid, easy, and boring.

WOW. You are an insensitive asshole. Go away troll.

Ok then, I'm trolling Have you actually tried the program? Did you even bother to read this whole thread? It's below average, and downright harmful to some kids.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Yes - ST math will adjust. It was also written by people who have a learning disability and it was made to support all learners which is why there are no written directions.

LOL. That tells me everything I need to know about this program, and why my kid kept saying it's stupid, easy, and boring.

I have one kid with learning disabilities and one that’s a genius like your little snowflake and if the level is adjusted correctly, it can be helpful for both.

Not sure why you're getting hurt here, I truly think it explains a lot. I have absolutely nothing against SN, or any kid with any kind of disability. I'm just pointing out the stupidity of forcing this program down everyone's throat, especially in an AAP class, where I'm seeing more than half of the kids bored to tears (so definitely not just my kid). Cmon FCPS... use the right tool for the job! This is fine for some kids, but it clearly isn't going to work for others. In any case, now I definitely have no say when my kid is telling the truth. At least now at home he can read on the computer or do something productive while he's waiting for the teacher to finish explaining how to click and drag pictures to make place values. And the teacher can't see and scold them because they're not "paying attention" to the nonsense.

COVID is definitely exposing the internals of what kind of learning is taking place in school, and it's definitely sad. So far, it's about 1 hour worth of real honest learning, and the rest a bunch of fluff, repetition, and following directions. I don't think this will change too much for the rest of the year, and I don't think this would have been much different even in a live class. Even in an AAP class, which was also sadly predictable.

DP. You're not understanding. It was written by someone with dyslexia who wrote a math focused math app, not a writing focused math app.

That's not bad for any kids, AAP or not.

Of course I get that. It's just that it really doesn't really cater to all the kids. It just can't, by design. And the data and numerous posts here show that it is painful and largely a waste of time. There are many other programs, including lots of free ones such as KA that are perfectly fine and straightforward. But as usual, it's another misguided attempt by FCPS to spend $$ to farm math learning away from the teachers hands and into the corporations pockets.

No, people are complaining because some teachers have not yet assigned units or set the correct grade. It's working for those students who have it set properly. It teaches spatial perception, which some children have an easier time with (one of my kids) and some kids struggle with (another of my kids).

Latching on to the "it's designed for SN kids" is insulting and inaccurate.