Chances at HYP

[Anonymous]

My DD had similar stats and background and interests. Full pay too. Applied to Y and P. Beaten out by other student at her school with lesser stats and interests - both legacies and URM. Learned hard lesson as UMC white female.

Received large merit scholarships at SLAC backups. Very happy and no longer cares.

Prepare her for disappointment and have good other choices.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:My DD had similar stats and background and interests. Full pay too. Applied to Y and P. Beaten out by other student at her school with lesser stats and interests - both legacies and URM. Learned hard lesson as UMC white female.

Received large merit scholarships at SLAC backups. Very happy and no longer cares.

Prepare her for disappointment and have good other choices.

This is why my child does not tell anyone her stats.

[Anonymous]

Unfortunately, pp is correct about outcomes for Black graduates of the Ivy League. I’ve read about other studies such as this one:

https://www.insidehighered.com/news/2015/03/06/elite-college-degrees-give-black-graduates-little-advantage-job-market

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My DD had similar stats and background and interests. Full pay too. Applied to Y and P. Beaten out by other student at her school with lesser stats and interests - both legacies and URM. Learned hard lesson as UMC white female.

Received large merit scholarships at SLAC backups. Very happy and no longer cares.

Prepare her for disappointment and have good other choices.

This is why my child does not tell anyone her stats.

Because you are legacy and URM applicant? Because you don’t want your child to have dreams smashed? Because you’re child is a super special weapon? The process is broken and opaque and ridiculous.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My DD had similar stats and background and interests. Full pay too. Applied to Y and P. Beaten out by other student at her school with lesser stats and interests - both legacies and URM. Learned hard lesson as UMC white female.

Received large merit scholarships at SLAC backups. Very happy and no longer cares.

Prepare her for disappointment and have good other choices.

This is why my child does not tell anyone her stats.

Because you are legacy and URM applicant? Because you don’t want your child to have dreams smashed? Because you’re child is a super special weapon? The process is broken and opaque and ridiculous.

??? She doesn’t tell her classmates what her stats. It’s none of their business and only leads to gossip.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My DD had similar stats and background and interests. Full pay too. Applied to Y and P. Beaten out by other student at her school with lesser stats and interests - both legacies and URM. Learned hard lesson as UMC white female.

Received large merit scholarships at SLAC backups. Very happy and no longer cares.

Prepare her for disappointment and have good other choices.

This is why my child does not tell anyone her stats.

Because you are legacy and URM applicant? Because you don’t want your child to have dreams smashed? Because you’re child is a super special weapon? The process is broken and opaque and ridiculous.

??? She doesn’t tell her classmates what her stats. It’s none of their business and only leads to gossip.

Nobody needs to tell anyone what his or her stats are. But don’t underestimate Harvard - or the general public. Harvard knows their own graduates better than anyone else. They won’t be hoodwinked by their own BS. And the general public job market, when they are shelling out $50,000-$200,000 per year in salary, will not blindly accept HYP degrees. The job market practices, you guessed it - holistic process - and will appropriately down grade HYP degrees. Employers know sometimes they are better off going to top state graduates.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Unfortunately, pp is correct about outcomes for Black graduates of the Ivy League. I’ve read about other studies such as this one:

https://www.insidehighered.com/news/2015/03/06/elite-college-degrees-give-black-graduates-little-advantage-job-market

What? You mean a degree from an Ivy doesn't over-ride hundreds of years of systemic racism? Shocking!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Unfortunately, pp is correct about outcomes for Black graduates of the Ivy League. I’ve read about other studies such as this one:

https://www.insidehighered.com/news/2015/03/06/elite-college-degrees-give-black-graduates-little-advantage-job-market

Not sure what your point is. Are you saying the black students would have the same outcome had they attended a "lesser" school? The study says they do not have the same outcomes as whites, but that would seem obvious due to family wealth/connections reasons.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Unfortunately, pp is correct about outcomes for Black graduates of the Ivy League. I’ve read about other studies such as this one:

https://www.insidehighered.com/news/2015/03/06/elite-college-degrees-give-black-graduates-little-advantage-job-market

What? You mean a degree from an Ivy doesn't over-ride hundreds of years of systemic racism? Shocking!

In the IT job market, applicants undergo several rounds, including technical assessments, before they are hired. A HYP degree might get someone’s foot in the door. However, there’s more involved in subsequent rounds.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Unfortunately, pp is correct about outcomes for Black graduates of the Ivy League. I’ve read about other studies such as this one:

https://www.insidehighered.com/news/2015/03/06/elite-college-degrees-give-black-graduates-little-advantage-job-market

What? You mean a degree from an Ivy doesn't over-ride hundreds of years of systemic racism? Shocking!

In the IT job market, applicants undergo several rounds, including technical assessments, before they are hired. A HYP degree might get someone’s foot in the door. However, there’s more involved in subsequent rounds.

Did you reply to the wrong post?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My DD had similar stats and background and interests. Full pay too. Applied to Y and P. Beaten out by other student at her school with lesser stats and interests - both legacies and URM. Learned hard lesson as UMC white female.

Received large merit scholarships at SLAC backups. Very happy and no longer cares.

Prepare her for disappointment and have good other choices.

This is why my child does not tell anyone her stats.

Because you are legacy and URM applicant? Because you don’t want your child to have dreams smashed? Because you’re child is a super special weapon? The process is broken and opaque and ridiculous.

??? She doesn’t tell her classmates what her stats. It’s none of their business and only leads to gossip.

Nobody needs to tell anyone what his or her stats are. But don’t underestimate Harvard - or the general public. Harvard knows their own graduates better than anyone else. They won’t be hoodwinked by their own BS. And the general public job market, when they are shelling out $50,000-$200,000 per year in salary, will not blindly accept HYP degrees. The job market practices, you guessed it - holistic process - and will appropriately down grade HYP degrees. Employers know sometimes they are better off going to top state graduates.

My son interviews for one of the top IBs and he is told to hire black/Hispanic applicants and women.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My DD had similar stats and background and interests. Full pay too. Applied to Y and P. Beaten out by other student at her school with lesser stats and interests - both legacies and URM. Learned hard lesson as UMC white female.

Received large merit scholarships at SLAC backups. Very happy and no longer cares.

Prepare her for disappointment and have good other choices.

This is why my child does not tell anyone her stats.

Because you are legacy and URM applicant? Because you don’t want your child to have dreams smashed? Because you’re child is a super special weapon? The process is broken and opaque and ridiculous.

??? She doesn’t tell her classmates what her stats. It’s none of their business and only leads to gossip.

Nobody needs to tell anyone what his or her stats are. But don’t underestimate Harvard - or the general public. Harvard knows their own graduates better than anyone else. They won’t be hoodwinked by their own BS. And the general public job market, when they are shelling out $50,000-$200,000 per year in salary, will not blindly accept HYP degrees. The job market practices, you guessed it - holistic process - and will appropriately down grade HYP degrees. Employers know sometimes they are better off going to top state graduates.

My son interviews for one of the top IBs and he is told to hire black/Hispanic applicants and women.

That seems like a sound business decision. Are there not women/black/Hispanic clients?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My DD had similar stats and background and interests. Full pay too. Applied to Y and P. Beaten out by other student at her school with lesser stats and interests - both legacies and URM. Learned hard lesson as UMC white female.

Received large merit scholarships at SLAC backups. Very happy and no longer cares.

Prepare her for disappointment and have good other choices.

This is why my child does not tell anyone her stats.

Because you are legacy and URM applicant? Because you don’t want your child to have dreams smashed? Because you’re child is a super special weapon? The process is broken and opaque and ridiculous.

??? She doesn’t tell her classmates what her stats. It’s none of their business and only leads to gossip.

Nobody needs to tell anyone what his or her stats are. But don’t underestimate Harvard - or the general public. Harvard knows their own graduates better than anyone else. They won’t be hoodwinked by their own BS. And the general public job market, when they are shelling out $50,000-$200,000 per year in salary, will not blindly accept HYP degrees. The job market practices, you guessed it - holistic process - and will appropriately down grade HYP degrees. Employers know sometimes they are better off going to top state graduates.

My son interviews for one of the top IBs and he is told to hire black/Hispanic applicants and women.

What’s IB?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My DD had similar stats and background and interests. Full pay too. Applied to Y and P. Beaten out by other student at her school with lesser stats and interests - both legacies and URM. Learned hard lesson as UMC white female.

Received large merit scholarships at SLAC backups. Very happy and no longer cares.

Prepare her for disappointment and have good other choices.

This is why my child does not tell anyone her stats.

Because you are legacy and URM applicant? Because you don’t want your child to have dreams smashed? Because you’re child is a super special weapon? The process is broken and opaque and ridiculous.

??? She doesn’t tell her classmates what her stats. It’s none of their business and only leads to gossip.

+1. DC is/will be an URM. Closest friends are legacies at HYP and/or faculty kids, though I've only discovered so organically over the years. I wouldn't divulge either in their shoes. DC can't conceal ethnicity but I discourage sharing stats for similar reasons.

Funny story...I do know an AA young man who got into HYPSM, CalTech, etc with a 4.0/1600 and outstanding ECs. People still said he only got in because of race. Nevermind that he got into Caltech, but anyway. When asked, he would troll people by saying he got an 3.3/1150 and watch them steam through phony smiles.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My DD had similar stats and background and interests. Full pay too. Applied to Y and P. Beaten out by other student at her school with lesser stats and interests - both legacies and URM. Learned hard lesson as UMC white female.

Received large merit scholarships at SLAC backups. Very happy and no longer cares.

Prepare her for disappointment and have good other choices.

This is why my child does not tell anyone her stats.

Because you are legacy and URM applicant? Because you don’t want your child to have dreams smashed? Because you’re child is a super special weapon? The process is broken and opaque and ridiculous.

??? She doesn’t tell her classmates what her stats. It’s none of their business and only leads to gossip.

Nobody needs to tell anyone what his or her stats are. But don’t underestimate Harvard - or the general public. Harvard knows their own graduates better than anyone else. They won’t be hoodwinked by their own BS. And the general public job market, when they are shelling out $50,000-$200,000 per year in salary, will not blindly accept HYP degrees. The job market practices, you guessed it - holistic process - and will appropriately down grade HYP degrees. Employers know sometimes they are better off going to top state graduates.

My son interviews for one of the top IBs and he is told to hire black/Hispanic applicants and women.

It's about time. Its used to not hire URMs at all. I'd put money on less than 5% of hires being Black/Latino combined. Its a field that has highly favored White men since inception.

This article is a prime example of why diversity is needed. https://www.nytimes.com/2019/12/11/business/jpmorgan-banking-racism.html