Is this going too far? Always removes Venus symbol to acknowledge transmen who menstruate

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This is simply more madness in coddling the mentally ill so-called transgendered.

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Anonymous wrote:Are you going to boycott their product because of this? Private company, they can do what they want.

I do. I absolutely don’t care about the packaging. If they would simply remove the Venus sign, I would continue to buy their product. If they made a political statement, no. As a pp stated, the packaging design done for the low IQ people. I don’t care if my pads will be wrapped in a plain brown paper as long as they do the work. However, I do care about the agenda that this company is trying to push on me. As a mother of three young girls, I don’t want to support the company who promotes equality between women and transgender men. One day, one of this transgender men will be competing against one of my girls in sports if I continue quietly with this propaganda just because it simply doesn’t hurts me now, like some of the posters said. Also, as a taxpayer, I don’t want to pay for any of the voluntary elective hormone replacement therapy, and for all the health consequences of this treatment that these transgenders will be facing in 20-30 years . This is just two examples, I have few more reasons, just don’t have time.

I think people who have this mentality “ If it doesn’t hurt me, I don’t care” are very narrow minded and failing to see a bigger picture.

And here we have the anti-trans language from the extremist group in Shirlington — American Principles Project.

Hopefully you are getting paid to spread this hateful PROPAGANDA.

How is not wanting a biological male to compete against a biological female propaganda?

Why don’t you head over to Shirlington and ask them yourself?

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/11/03/us/politics/kentucky-transgender-school-sports.html

Bathroom fearmongering didn’t work so now you’re trying sports. Got it.

Im not pp but im super over you denying women their ability to discuss a movement specifically aimed at erasing the language of their identity by conflating that concern with bigots who are worried about bathrooms.

I forvone don’t understand why things are labeled by gender .

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It's fine for trans men (or anyone) to express what they want in product marketing. Lord knows that trans men aren't alone in disliking gender stereotypes in marketing. However, it's NOT bigoted to be annoyed that trans men essentially want to hijack and outlaw an entire way of speaking (and erase entire, very important categories of identity) just because they claim it excludes them. I get it, some parturients do not identify as women. But to forbid anyone from saying "pregnant woman" or talk about motherhood as a general experience is to basically erase the experience of women and not allow them to talk about it ... including the ways they experience subjugation due to their sex.

Motherhood isn't a general experience.

But if you nonetheless want to talk about motherhood as a general experience, you may do so.

Right, so your agenda is to silence the experience of a historically disadvantaged minority (mothers). Got it.

My personal agenda at this moment is to point out that motherhood is not, in fact, a general experience for women. Don't you know any women who don't have children? In 2018, 15% of women aged 45-50 didn't have any children.

what's your point, again? if you're not a mother, you don't have to be on a mommy blog talking about motherhood. it's fine. But based on the logic of trans activists, I guess it would be tenable fora trans person to trash a mommy blog for using the word mommy and discussing motherhood, since not all women are mothers, not all mothers are women, and some mothers are now actually fathers.

Wow, that's a very defensive response to a post stating the fact that motherhood is not a general experience for women.

I literally don't know what you're talking about. Obviously I know that not all women are mothers. But mothers generally have a common set of experiences to discuss. (Not universal of course.)

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Confronting motherhood or the possibility of it is foundational to the female experience today and historically. It is the aspect of our bodies that has made us subject to men's whims and discrimination throughout history. That has put us in danger and also bonded us together. Some women can't have children, some can, some choose not to, but we all go through the process of discovering our bodies, what they are capable of and what they put us at risk for.

If you don't understand that then im not convinced you are a biological woman.

Kinda tired of people telling me what being a woman is like for all women.

-a woman

Ok so you can go over there, and talk about it however you want. As long as you don't try to police those of us who want to talk about shared experiences of being a woman, girl, mother, etc, and common political interests like women's reproductive rights.

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Anonymous wrote:These conversations are so bizarre. Trans men identify as men, but that doesn’t change their female biology, which is exactly why they are TRANS men rather than CIS. Likewise, menstruation is a fact of female biology, which stands apart from gender identity.

Is this fact bigoted? Is acknowledging it bigoted? If so, I don’t know what to say, save that the denial of facts in favor of ideological commitment doesn’t strike me as virtuous.

No but understanding your 1st paragraph to be true and wanting trans men to not express what they want for menstrual
Products is bigoted.

It's fine for trans men (or anyone) to express what they want in product marketing. Lord knows that trans men aren't alone in disliking gender stereotypes in marketing. However, it's NOT bigoted to be annoyed that trans men essentially want to hijack and outlaw an entire way of speaking (and erase entire, very important categories of identity) just because they claim it excludes them. I get it, some parturients do not identify as women. But to forbid anyone from saying "pregnant woman" or talk about motherhood as a general experience is to basically erase the experience of women and not allow them to talk about it ... including the ways they experience subjugation due to their sex.

Language evolves. Do you disagree?

Do you still say fag? Retarded? Gay? Colored?

Keep up!

No, you keep up. There's a HUGE difference between slurs intended to hurt the target, and deciding that language that applies to a group is offensive because it excludes a tiny, tiny minority.To claim that saying "pregnant women" is as offensive as saying "fag" is just absurd. Hopefully you can see that.

Intelligent people are not talking to today’s generation they are talking to a generation a decade or two away.

Two decades ago fag was not offensive nor was gay or retarded.

You will understand in20 years.

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Confronting motherhood or the possibility of it is foundational to the female experience today and historically. It is the aspect of our bodies that has made us subject to men's whims and discrimination throughout history. That has put us in danger and also bonded us together. Some women can't have children, some can, some choose not to, but we all go through the process of discovering our bodies, what they are capable of and what they put us at risk for.

If you don't understand that then im not convinced you are a biological woman.

Kinda tired of people telling me what being a woman is like for all women.

-a woman

You've never faced the realities of being born capable of bearing children? Never dealt with periods, birth control, disappointment from being infertile, relief at being infertile, cramps, ovarian cysts etc etc etc? Really?

I would think it equally true and uncontroversial that dealing with the realities of having a penls is part of the experience of being biologically male.

And if you fortunately have not had to think about or deal with that at any point as a woman than perhaps you should crack open a history book because it has been an incredibly large part of the historical experience of women and advocacy for women's rights.

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Anonymous wrote:These conversations are so bizarre. Trans men identify as men, but that doesn’t change their female biology, which is exactly why they are TRANS men rather than CIS. Likewise, menstruation is a fact of female biology, which stands apart from gender identity.

Is this fact bigoted? Is acknowledging it bigoted? If so, I don’t know what to say, save that the denial of facts in favor of ideological commitment doesn’t strike me as virtuous.

No but understanding your 1st paragraph to be true and wanting trans men to not express what they want for menstrual
Products is bigoted.

It's fine for trans men (or anyone) to express what they want in product marketing. Lord knows that trans men aren't alone in disliking gender stereotypes in marketing. However, it's NOT bigoted to be annoyed that trans men essentially want to hijack and outlaw an entire way of speaking (and erase entire, very important categories of identity) just because they claim it excludes them. I get it, some parturients do not identify as women. But to forbid anyone from saying "pregnant woman" or talk about motherhood as a general experience is to basically erase the experience of women and not allow them to talk about it ... including the ways they experience subjugation due to their sex.

Language evolves. Do you disagree?

Do you still say fag? Retarded? Gay? Colored?

Keep up!

No, you keep up. There's a HUGE difference between slurs intended to hurt the target, and deciding that language that applies to a group is offensive because it excludes a tiny, tiny minority.To claim that saying "pregnant women" is as offensive as saying "fag" is just absurd. Hopefully you can see that.

Intelligent people are not talking to today’s generation they are talking to a generation a decade or two away.

Two decades ago fag was not offensive nor was gay or retarded.

You will understand in20 years.

So your view is that we can't say the word "woman," talk about "women's rights" or even "moms." Is that right?

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So your view is that we can't say the word "woman," talk about "women's rights" or even "moms." Is that right?

You can say it all you want. Who's stopping you?

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Anonymous wrote:These conversations are so bizarre. Trans men identify as men, but that doesn’t change their female biology, which is exactly why they are TRANS men rather than CIS. Likewise, menstruation is a fact of female biology, which stands apart from gender identity.

Is this fact bigoted? Is acknowledging it bigoted? If so, I don’t know what to say, save that the denial of facts in favor of ideological commitment doesn’t strike me as virtuous.

No but understanding your 1st paragraph to be true and wanting trans men to not express what they want for menstrual
Products is bigoted.

It's fine for trans men (or anyone) to express what they want in product marketing. Lord knows that trans men aren't alone in disliking gender stereotypes in marketing. However, it's NOT bigoted to be annoyed that trans men essentially want to hijack and outlaw an entire way of speaking (and erase entire, very important categories of identity) just because they claim it excludes them. I get it, some parturients do not identify as women. But to forbid anyone from saying "pregnant woman" or talk about motherhood as a general experience is to basically erase the experience of women and not allow them to talk about it ... including the ways they experience subjugation due to their sex.

Language evolves. Do you disagree?

Do you still say fag? Retarded? Gay? Colored?

Keep up!

No, you keep up. There's a HUGE difference between slurs intended to hurt the target, and deciding that language that applies to a group is offensive because it excludes a tiny, tiny minority.To claim that saying "pregnant women" is as offensive as saying "fag" is just absurd. Hopefully you can see that.

Intelligent people are not talking to today’s generation they are talking to a generation a decade or two away.

Two decades ago fag was not offensive nor was gay or retarded.

You will understand in20 years.

So your view is that we can't say the word "woman," talk about "women's rights" or even "moms." Is that right?

DP. And tell us pp. Will the word "man" be sanitized as fully from the cultural vernacular as you want the word "woman" to be?

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So your view is that we can't say the word "woman," talk about "women's rights" or even "moms." Is that right?

You can say it all you want. Who's stopping you?

Please answer the question. Do you or do you not think it is offensive to use the word "woman", "women's rights," and "pregnant woman"?

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We are trying so hard not to offend anyone that we have gone off the deep end! What loony crap is coming next?

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Confronting motherhood or the possibility of it is foundational to the female experience today and historically. It is the aspect of our bodies that has made us subject to men's whims and discrimination throughout history. That has put us in danger and also bonded us together. Some women can't have children, some can, some choose not to, but we all go through the process of discovering our bodies, what they are capable of and what they put us at risk for.

If you don't understand that then im not convinced you are a biological woman.

Kinda tired of people telling me what being a woman is like for all women.

-a woman

You've never faced the realities of being born capable of bearing children? Never dealt with periods, birth control, disappointment from being infertile, relief at being infertile, cramps, ovarian cysts etc etc etc? Really?

I would think it equally true and uncontroversial that dealing with the realities of having a penls is part of the experience of being biologically male.

And if you fortunately have not had to think about or deal with that at any point as a woman than perhaps you should crack open a history book because it has been an incredibly large part of the historical experience of women and advocacy for women's rights.

Stop, please. Different people (including different women) have different experiences, different priorities, different outlooks, different philosophies. Reducing ALL women to basic biology is...well, I think it's a waste of time, but of course it's your time to waste if that's what you want to do.

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Anonymous wrote:We are trying so hard not to offend anyone that we have gone off the deep end! What loony crap is coming next?

We, who? You don't seem to be trying very hard.

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So your view is that we can't say the word "woman," talk about "women's rights" or even "moms." Is that right?

You can say it all you want. Who's stopping you?

You are saying you want to conscript woman to the same historical shame as the word fag.

True or false? Trying to understand your actual argument. People still say the n word but that doesn't change its place in language today as a horrific slur. Are you actually arguing that 'women' (and man?) should be viewed in that same way?

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Confronting motherhood or the possibility of it is foundational to the female experience today and historically. It is the aspect of our bodies that has made us subject to men's whims and discrimination throughout history. That has put us in danger and also bonded us together. Some women can't have children, some can, some choose not to, but we all go through the process of discovering our bodies, what they are capable of and what they put us at risk for.

If you don't understand that then im not convinced you are a biological woman.

Kinda tired of people telling me what being a woman is like for all women.

-a woman

You've never faced the realities of being born capable of bearing children? Never dealt with periods, birth control, disappointment from being infertile, relief at being infertile, cramps, ovarian cysts etc etc etc? Really?

I would think it equally true and uncontroversial that dealing with the realities of having a penls is part of the experience of being biologically male.

And if you fortunately have not had to think about or deal with that at any point as a woman than perhaps you should crack open a history book because it has been an incredibly large part of the historical experience of women and advocacy for women's rights.

Stop, please. Different people (including different women) have different experiences, different priorities, different outlooks, different philosophies. Reducing ALL women to basic biology is...well, I think it's a waste of time, but of course it's your time to waste if that's what you want to do.

Ok so then how does a trans woman somehow know that there is this thing called being a "woman" that is their correct identity?