Is this going too far? Always removes Venus symbol to acknowledge transmen who menstruate

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So your view is that we can't say the word "woman," talk about "women's rights" or even "moms." Is that right?

You can say it all you want. Who's stopping you?

Please answer the question. Do you or do you not think it is offensive to use the word "woman", "women's rights," and "pregnant woman"?

Everybody needs a hobby, but arguing with anonymous internet posters about reducing women to biology seems like an odd hobby to me.

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Anonymous wrote:These conversations are so bizarre. Trans men identify as men, but that doesn’t change their female biology, which is exactly why they are TRANS men rather than CIS. Likewise, menstruation is a fact of female biology, which stands apart from gender identity.

Is this fact bigoted? Is acknowledging it bigoted? If so, I don’t know what to say, save that the denial of facts in favor of ideological commitment doesn’t strike me as virtuous.

No but understanding your 1st paragraph to be true and wanting trans men to not express what they want for menstrual
Products is bigoted.

It's fine for trans men (or anyone) to express what they want in product marketing. Lord knows that trans men aren't alone in disliking gender stereotypes in marketing. However, it's NOT bigoted to be annoyed that trans men essentially want to hijack and outlaw an entire way of speaking (and erase entire, very important categories of identity) just because they claim it excludes them. I get it, some parturients do not identify as women. But to forbid anyone from saying "pregnant woman" or talk about motherhood as a general experience is to basically erase the experience of women and not allow them to talk about it ... including the ways they experience subjugation due to their sex.

You're reading way too much into pad packaging.

Quite frankly, you sound hysterical.

The outrage might sound bonkers, but there is a group of crazy activists who have taken over the trans rights movements. It’s no longer about bathrooms - they have defunded rape clinics for not allowing “people with penises”
https://www.feministcurrent.com/2019/03/20/discontinuation-of-grant-to-vancouver-rape-relief-shows-trans-activism-is-an-attack-on-women/

And are trying to silence panels on women’s issues
https://www.feministcurrent.com/2019/10/30/whats-current-meghan-murphys-sold-out-talk-draws-hundreds-of-protesters-outside-toronto-public-library/

Mainstream women’s magazines now write about pregnant people instead of women. People (like me) who support trans people and trans rights are wondering what is happening?

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Confronting motherhood or the possibility of it is foundational to the female experience today and historically. It is the aspect of our bodies that has made us subject to men's whims and discrimination throughout history. That has put us in danger and also bonded us together. Some women can't have children, some can, some choose not to, but we all go through the process of discovering our bodies, what they are capable of and what they put us at risk for.

If you don't understand that then im not convinced you are a biological woman.

Kinda tired of people telling me what being a woman is like for all women.

-a woman

You've never faced the realities of being born capable of bearing children? Never dealt with periods, birth control, disappointment from being infertile, relief at being infertile, cramps, ovarian cysts etc etc etc? Really?

I would think it equally true and uncontroversial that dealing with the realities of having a penls is part of the experience of being biologically male.

And if you fortunately have not had to think about or deal with that at any point as a woman than perhaps you should crack open a history book because it has been an incredibly large part of the historical experience of women and advocacy for women's rights.

Stop, please. Different people (including different women) have different experiences, different priorities, different outlooks, different philosophies. Reducing ALL women to basic biology is...well, I think it's a waste of time, but of course it's your time to waste if that's what you want to do.

I have not tried to ascribe any one experience to all women. Everyone confronts it differently, but we all confront it. Simply pointed out that dealing with out biology, something that makes most of us bleed every month, something that means most of us can be impregnated, is something women have to confront at some point in their lives.

And that that reality has been the basis of most historical advances in feminism and fighting for equality for women. Access to birth control is one of the most important events in the history of women's rights. Because of the vulnerability that our reproductive system subjects us to.

Ask women in sub saharan Africa if they feel like their gender and reproductive system are a foundational part of their lives. This is not controversial. Access to feminine hygiene products is literally a movement in poorer countries when girls cannot be educated at the same level as men because they miss class every month while menstruating.

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You're reading way too much into pad packaging.

Quite frankly, you sound hysterical.

[Anonymous]

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The outrage might sound bonkers, but there is a group of crazy activists who have taken over the trans rights movements. It’s no longer about bathrooms - they have defunded rape clinics for not allowing “people with penises”
https://www.feministcurrent.com/2019/03/20/discontinuation-of-grant-to-vancouver-rape-relief-shows-trans-activism-is-an-attack-on-women/

And are trying to silence panels on women’s issues
https://www.feministcurrent.com/2019/10/30/whats-current-meghan-murphys-sold-out-talk-draws-hundreds-of-protesters-outside-toronto-public-library/

Mainstream women’s magazines now write about pregnant people instead of women. People (like me) who support trans people and trans rights are wondering what is happening?

What is happening is that mainstream women's magazines are writing about pregnant people.

Also, calling Meghan Murphy's talk "a panel on women's issues" is like calling Richard Spence's talk "a talk on racial/ethnic diversity".

[Anonymous]

Pp always crops out quotes to put her/ his hyperbolic responses out of context.

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So your view is that we can't say the word "woman," talk about "women's rights" or even "moms." Is that right?

You can say it all you want. Who's stopping you?

Please answer the question. Do you or do you not think it is offensive to use the word "woman", "women's rights," and "pregnant woman"?

Everybody needs a hobby, but arguing with anonymous internet posters about reducing women to biology seems like an odd hobby to me.

Ok so confirmed, you think it's offensive to talk about "pregnant women".

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The outrage might sound bonkers, but there is a group of crazy activists who have taken over the trans rights movements. It’s no longer about bathrooms - they have defunded rape clinics for not allowing “people with penises”
https://www.feministcurrent.com/2019/03/20/discontinuation-of-grant-to-vancouver-rape-relief-shows-trans-activism-is-an-attack-on-women/

And are trying to silence panels on women’s issues
https://www.feministcurrent.com/2019/10/30/whats-current-meghan-murphys-sold-out-talk-draws-hundreds-of-protesters-outside-toronto-public-library/

Mainstream women’s magazines now write about pregnant people instead of women. People (like me) who support trans people and trans rights are wondering what is happening?

What is happening is that mainstream women's magazines are writing about pregnant people.

Also, calling Meghan Murphy's talk "a panel on women's issues" is like calling Richard Spence's talk "a talk on racial/ethnic diversity".

I'm shocked you used the phrase "women's magazine." That's exclusionary language. It should be called "human magazine" or "people magazine." oh wait ...

[Anonymous]

I am at this point 100 percent convinced that this is a move by P&G to stir the pot and get moderates to feel like the liberals have gone insane so they will vote for Trump/republicans.

[Anonymous]

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The outrage might sound bonkers, but there is a group of crazy activists who have taken over the trans rights movements. It’s no longer about bathrooms - they have defunded rape clinics for not allowing “people with penises”
https://www.feministcurrent.com/2019/03/20/discontinuation-of-grant-to-vancouver-rape-relief-shows-trans-activism-is-an-attack-on-women/

And are trying to silence panels on women’s issues
https://www.feministcurrent.com/2019/10/30/whats-current-meghan-murphys-sold-out-talk-draws-hundreds-of-protesters-outside-toronto-public-library/

Mainstream women’s magazines now write about pregnant people instead of women. People (like me) who support trans people and trans rights are wondering what is happening?

What is happening is that mainstream women's magazines are writing about pregnant people.

Also, calling Meghan Murphy's talk "a panel on women's issues" is like calling Richard Spence's talk "a talk on racial/ethnic diversity".

Wait, what? Np here. Have you read anything Meghan Murphy has written? She’s a feminist who stands up for women’s issues and concerns. Wth with comparing her to Richard Spence?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:As a woman, why should I care? If it makes them feel more included, awesome.

I feel the same way. It doesn't matter to me, but if it benefits others, why should I object?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I am at this point 100 percent convinced that this is a move by P&G to stir the pot and get moderates to feel like the liberals have gone insane so they will vote for Trump/republicans.

But liberals HAVE gone insane.

[Anonymous]

You’re speaking another language altogether.

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Anonymous wrote:I am at this point 100 percent convinced that this is a move by P&G to stir the pot and get moderates to feel like the liberals have gone insane so they will vote for Trump/republicans.

But liberals HAVE gone insane.

All of us have gone insane? You watch too much TV.

Most people don’t give a shit about packaging changes. It’s fodder for talking heads and internet boards. Don’t be so gullible.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I don't pay attention to symbols on my box of tampons - so its absurd to be "outraged" about something I wasn't even aware of. This is kind of dumb altogether -- who cares?

I DO think tampons, pads, and menstrual cups should free or at least heavily subsidized. It's kind of unfair that 50% of the population has to shell out some $$$ for something that's inherent in our DNA no matter what we do or don't do.

This is dumb. Toilet paper isn't free and it's a universal necessity.