The college admissions scandal bell tolls for thee, Harvard

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Anonymous wrote:So STA has parents who bribe universities and SFS has parents who call university admissions to blackball other kids? Wow.

I’m sure plenty of other privates have similar stories. Parents with too much $ and not enough sense.

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Anonymous wrote:So STA has parents who bribe universities and SFS has parents who call university admissions to blackball other kids? Wow.

I’m sure plenty of other privates have similar stories. Parents with too much $ and not enough sense.

Agree. Entitlement and lack of sense are plentiful in most privates, and I'm a Big 3 parent. It's still appalling to hear about though.

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Anonymous wrote:For those who keep saying his son would have been admitted anyway, you should look at the statistics for Asian students who are accepted and rejected by Harvard. Having close to a 4.0 gpa and near-perfect SATs might guarantee acceptance for some ethnicities, but not for Asians.

*1000. I know of an Asian TJ grad with perfect gpa (4.0 unweighted which is extremely tough at TJ and probably top 1% and around 4.6 weighted), 2,390 SAT, Presidential Scholar nominee, NM Scholar, ton of leadership positions, lot of volunteering, extensive research, prestigious internship over the summer, TV show appearance, scholastic writing award, chemistry Olympiad finals, etc. etc. and was rejected by Harvard due to no legacy, no connection, no donation, seeking financial aid (not full pay) etc. Completely rigged.

Wait a minute. How do you know it was due to that?

Because there were other grads who gained admissions (with significantly lower stats openly talking about their "connections" whether it was parents knowing the "right" people or people at Harvard etc.) with few URMs getting admitted as well. Basically, being an Asian American applicant with no hooks and seeking FA is the worst situation and it will be virtually impossible to gain admission even with better credentials than most admitted students.

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Anonymous wrote:For those who keep saying his son would have been admitted anyway, you should look at the statistics for Asian students who are accepted and rejected by Harvard. Having close to a 4.0 gpa and near-perfect SATs might guarantee acceptance for some ethnicities, but not for Asians.

*1000. I know of an Asian TJ grad with perfect gpa (4.0 unweighted which is extremely tough at TJ and probably top 1% and around 4.6 weighted), 2,390 SAT, Presidential Scholar nominee, NM Scholar, ton of leadership positions, lot of volunteering, extensive research, prestigious internship over the summer, TV show appearance, scholastic writing award, chemistry Olympiad finals, etc. etc. and was rejected by Harvard due to no legacy, no connection, no donation, seeking financial aid (not full pay) etc. Completely rigged.

Wait a minute. How do you know it was due to that?

Because there were other grads who gained admissions (with significantly lower stats openly talking about their "connections" whether it was parents knowing the "right" people or people at Harvard etc.) with few URMs getting admitted as well. Basically, being an Asian American applicant with no hooks and seeking FA is the worst situation and it will be virtually impossible to gain admission even with better credentials than most admitted students.

+1 I have seen Asian students with far better stats, extracurriculars and leadership positions get rejected from schools that weaker white peers have gotten into.

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Anonymous wrote:For those who keep saying his son would have been admitted anyway, you should look at the statistics for Asian students who are accepted and rejected by Harvard. Having close to a 4.0 gpa and near-perfect SATs might guarantee acceptance for some ethnicities, but not for Asians.

*1000. I know of an Asian TJ grad with perfect gpa (4.0 unweighted which is extremely tough at TJ and probably top 1% and around 4.6 weighted), 2,390 SAT, Presidential Scholar nominee, NM Scholar, ton of leadership positions, lot of volunteering, extensive research, prestigious internship over the summer, TV show appearance, scholastic writing award, chemistry Olympiad finals, etc. etc. and was rejected by Harvard due to no legacy, no connection, no donation, seeking financial aid (not full pay) etc. Completely rigged.

Wait a minute. How do you know it was due to that?

Because there were other grads who gained admissions (with significantly lower stats openly talking about their "connections" whether it was parents knowing the "right" people or people at Harvard etc.) with few URMs getting admitted as well. Basically, being an Asian American applicant with no hooks and seeking FA is the worst situation and it will be virtually impossible to gain admission even with better credentials than most admitted students.

+1 I have seen Asian students with far better stats, extracurriculars and leadership positions get rejected from schools that weaker white peers have gotten into.

Regardless of the motivations of the group pushing it, isn't this the exact fact pattern of the Harvard lawsuit?

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Anonymous wrote:For those who keep saying his son would have been admitted anyway, you should look at the statistics for Asian students who are accepted and rejected by Harvard. Having close to a 4.0 gpa and near-perfect SATs might guarantee acceptance for some ethnicities, but not for Asians.

*1000. I know of an Asian TJ grad with perfect gpa (4.0 unweighted which is extremely tough at TJ and probably top 1% and around 4.6 weighted), 2,390 SAT, Presidential Scholar nominee, NM Scholar, ton of leadership positions, lot of volunteering, extensive research, prestigious internship over the summer, TV show appearance, scholastic writing award, chemistry Olympiad finals, etc. etc. and was rejected by Harvard due to no legacy, no connection, no donation, seeking financial aid (not full pay) etc. Completely rigged.

Wait a minute. How do you know it was due to that?

Because there were other grads who gained admissions (with significantly lower stats openly talking about their "connections" whether it was parents knowing the "right" people or people at Harvard etc.) with few URMs getting admitted as well. Basically, being an Asian American applicant with no hooks and seeking FA is the worst situation and it will be virtually impossible to gain admission even with better credentials than most admitted students.

Impossible to know it was due to insufficient connections. The class has 1900 kids. They're hand selected for something the school wants. Your description of the student shows many accomplishments but reeks of being "packaged" for college admissions purposes. Now tell us where this student did get in.

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Anonymous wrote:For those who keep saying his son would have been admitted anyway, you should look at the statistics for Asian students who are accepted and rejected by Harvard. Having close to a 4.0 gpa and near-perfect SATs might guarantee acceptance for some ethnicities, but not for Asians.

*1000. I know of an Asian TJ grad with perfect gpa (4.0 unweighted which is extremely tough at TJ and probably top 1% and around 4.6 weighted), 2,390 SAT, Presidential Scholar nominee, NM Scholar, ton of leadership positions, lot of volunteering, extensive research, prestigious internship over the summer, TV show appearance, scholastic writing award, chemistry Olympiad finals, etc. etc. and was rejected by Harvard due to no legacy, no connection, no donation, seeking financial aid (not full pay) etc. Completely rigged.

Wait a minute. How do you know it was due to that?

Because there were other grads who gained admissions (with significantly lower stats openly talking about their "connections" whether it was parents knowing the "right" people or people at Harvard etc.) with few URMs getting admitted as well. Basically, being an Asian American applicant with no hooks and seeking FA is the worst situation and it will be virtually impossible to gain admission even with better credentials than most admitted students.

+1 I have seen Asian students with far better stats, extracurriculars and leadership positions get rejected from schools that weaker white peers have gotten into.

Whites often act as if they are the most ethical group but they are really crooked inside. The college admission for the top 25+ schools have become so corrupted and out of control (by whites who are in charge of admissions office, athletic programs, psychologists who readily "sell" LD diagnosis, professional SAT takers, professional essay writers for money, creating "Z" list, making "legal bribes" for admission etc.)

We need to eliminate, legacy, special treatment of athletes, preference for donors, discrimination for financial aid applicants in admissions, racial discrimination in admissions (AA), all of them.

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Anonymous wrote:For those who keep saying his son would have been admitted anyway, you should look at the statistics for Asian students who are accepted and rejected by Harvard. Having close to a 4.0 gpa and near-perfect SATs might guarantee acceptance for some ethnicities, but not for Asians.

*1000. I know of an Asian TJ grad with perfect gpa (4.0 unweighted which is extremely tough at TJ and probably top 1% and around 4.6 weighted), 2,390 SAT, Presidential Scholar nominee, NM Scholar, ton of leadership positions, lot of volunteering, extensive research, prestigious internship over the summer, TV show appearance, scholastic writing award, chemistry Olympiad finals, etc. etc. and was rejected by Harvard due to no legacy, no connection, no donation, seeking financial aid (not full pay) etc. Completely rigged.

Wait a minute. How do you know it was due to that?

Because there were other grads who gained admissions (with significantly lower stats openly talking about their "connections" whether it was parents knowing the "right" people or people at Harvard etc.) with few URMs getting admitted as well. Basically, being an Asian American applicant with no hooks and seeking FA is the worst situation and it will be virtually impossible to gain admission even with better credentials than most admitted students.

+1 I have seen Asian students with far better stats, extracurriculars and leadership positions get rejected from schools that weaker white peers have gotten into.

But you're not on the admissions committee now are you/ Who's to say they were weaker?

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Anonymous wrote:For those who keep saying his son would have been admitted anyway, you should look at the statistics for Asian students who are accepted and rejected by Harvard. Having close to a 4.0 gpa and near-perfect SATs might guarantee acceptance for some ethnicities, but not for Asians.

*1000. I know of an Asian TJ grad with perfect gpa (4.0 unweighted which is extremely tough at TJ and probably top 1% and around 4.6 weighted), 2,390 SAT, Presidential Scholar nominee, NM Scholar, ton of leadership positions, lot of volunteering, extensive research, prestigious internship over the summer, TV show appearance, scholastic writing award, chemistry Olympiad finals, etc. etc. and was rejected by Harvard due to no legacy, no connection, no donation, seeking financial aid (not full pay) etc. Completely rigged.

Wait a minute. How do you know it was due to that?

Because there were other grads who gained admissions (with significantly lower stats openly talking about their "connections" whether it was parents knowing the "right" people or people at Harvard etc.) with few URMs getting admitted as well. Basically, being an Asian American applicant with no hooks and seeking FA is the worst situation and it will be virtually impossible to gain admission even with better credentials than most admitted students.

+1 I have seen Asian students with far better stats, extracurriculars and leadership positions get rejected from schools that weaker white peers have gotten into.

Whites often act as if they are the most ethical group but they are really crooked inside. The college admission for the top 25+ schools have become so corrupted and out of control (by whites who are in charge of admissions office, athletic programs, psychologists who readily "sell" LD diagnosis, professional SAT takers, professional essay writers for money, creating "Z" list, making "legal bribes" for admission etc.)

We need to eliminate, legacy, special treatment of athletes, preference for donors, discrimination for financial aid applicants in admissions, racial discrimination in admissions (AA), all of them.

Whites are crooked? That sounds like a racist stereotype to me. And yet you'd give your left nut to get your kid into one of these colleges run by crooked white people

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Anonymous wrote:For those who keep saying his son would have been admitted anyway, you should look at the statistics for Asian students who are accepted and rejected by Harvard. Having close to a 4.0 gpa and near-perfect SATs might guarantee acceptance for some ethnicities, but not for Asians.

*1000. I know of an Asian TJ grad with perfect gpa (4.0 unweighted which is extremely tough at TJ and probably top 1% and around 4.6 weighted), 2,390 SAT, Presidential Scholar nominee, NM Scholar, ton of leadership positions, lot of volunteering, extensive research, prestigious internship over the summer, TV show appearance, scholastic writing award, chemistry Olympiad finals, etc. etc. and was rejected by Harvard due to no legacy, no connection, no donation, seeking financial aid (not full pay) etc. Completely rigged.

Wait a minute. How do you know it was due to that?

Because there were other grads who gained admissions (with significantly lower stats openly talking about their "connections" whether it was parents knowing the "right" people or people at Harvard etc.) with few URMs getting admitted as well. Basically, being an Asian American applicant with no hooks and seeking FA is the worst situation and it will be virtually impossible to gain admission even with better credentials than most admitted students.

+1 I have seen Asian students with far better stats, extracurriculars and leadership positions get rejected from schools that weaker white peers have gotten into.

But you're not on the admissions committee now are you/ Who's to say they were weaker?

If you look at the Harvard lawsuit by Asian Americans, you'll see that they were systematically rated by the very admissions committee as less likable and with their accomplishments given lower valuations than their white counterparts. Unconscious bias or racism, take your pick.

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Anonymous wrote:For those who keep saying his son would have been admitted anyway, you should look at the statistics for Asian students who are accepted and rejected by Harvard. Having close to a 4.0 gpa and near-perfect SATs might guarantee acceptance for some ethnicities, but not for Asians.

*1000. I know of an Asian TJ grad with perfect gpa (4.0 unweighted which is extremely tough at TJ and probably top 1% and around 4.6 weighted), 2,390 SAT, Presidential Scholar nominee, NM Scholar, ton of leadership positions, lot of volunteering, extensive research, prestigious internship over the summer, TV show appearance, scholastic writing award, chemistry Olympiad finals, etc. etc. and was rejected by Harvard due to no legacy, no connection, no donation, seeking financial aid (not full pay) etc. Completely rigged.

Wait a minute. How do you know it was due to that?

Because there were other grads who gained admissions (with significantly lower stats openly talking about their "connections" whether it was parents knowing the "right" people or people at Harvard etc.) with few URMs getting admitted as well. Basically, being an Asian American applicant with no hooks and seeking FA is the worst situation and it will be virtually impossible to gain admission even with better credentials than most admitted students.

Impossible to know it was due to insufficient connections. The class has 1900 kids. They're hand selected for something the school wants. Your description of the student shows many accomplishments but reeks of being "packaged" for college admissions purposes. Now tell us where this student did get in.

The best response is "packaged"? A typical response if there is no legitimate response. The student was not packaged but worked hard, studied hard and contributed to the school life and the community life while exploring other interests aside from the school.

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Anonymous wrote:For those who keep saying his son would have been admitted anyway, you should look at the statistics for Asian students who are accepted and rejected by Harvard. Having close to a 4.0 gpa and near-perfect SATs might guarantee acceptance for some ethnicities, but not for Asians.

*1000. I know of an Asian TJ grad with perfect gpa (4.0 unweighted which is extremely tough at TJ and probably top 1% and around 4.6 weighted), 2,390 SAT, Presidential Scholar nominee, NM Scholar, ton of leadership positions, lot of volunteering, extensive research, prestigious internship over the summer, TV show appearance, scholastic writing award, chemistry Olympiad finals, etc. etc. and was rejected by Harvard due to no legacy, no connection, no donation, seeking financial aid (not full pay) etc. Completely rigged.

Wait a minute. How do you know it was due to that?

Because there were other grads who gained admissions (with significantly lower stats openly talking about their "connections" whether it was parents knowing the "right" people or people at Harvard etc.) with few URMs getting admitted as well. Basically, being an Asian American applicant with no hooks and seeking FA is the worst situation and it will be virtually impossible to gain admission even with better credentials than most admitted students.

+1 I have seen Asian students with far better stats, extracurriculars and leadership positions get rejected from schools that weaker white peers have gotten into.

But you're not on the admissions committee now are you/ Who's to say they were weaker?

If you look at the Harvard lawsuit by Asian Americans, you'll see that they were systematically rated by the very admissions committee as less likable and with their accomplishments given lower valuations than their white counterparts. Unconscious bias or racism, take your pick.

We're not going to litigate the plaintiff's allegations in the "Harvard lawsuit" on here. Give it up! We can talk when the judges rules on the case. And it is not being brought by Asian Americans - look into it a bit; your statement is false.

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Anonymous wrote:For those who keep saying his son would have been admitted anyway, you should look at the statistics for Asian students who are accepted and rejected by Harvard. Having close to a 4.0 gpa and near-perfect SATs might guarantee acceptance for some ethnicities, but not for Asians.

*1000. I know of an Asian TJ grad with perfect gpa (4.0 unweighted which is extremely tough at TJ and probably top 1% and around 4.6 weighted), 2,390 SAT, Presidential Scholar nominee, NM Scholar, ton of leadership positions, lot of volunteering, extensive research, prestigious internship over the summer, TV show appearance, scholastic writing award, chemistry Olympiad finals, etc. etc. and was rejected by Harvard due to no legacy, no connection, no donation, seeking financial aid (not full pay) etc. Completely rigged.

Wait a minute. How do you know it was due to that?

Because there were other grads who gained admissions (with significantly lower stats openly talking about their "connections" whether it was parents knowing the "right" people or people at Harvard etc.) with few URMs getting admitted as well. Basically, being an Asian American applicant with no hooks and seeking FA is the worst situation and it will be virtually impossible to gain admission even with better credentials than most admitted students.

Impossible to know it was due to insufficient connections. The class has 1900 kids. They're hand selected for something the school wants. Your description of the student shows many accomplishments but reeks of being "packaged" for college admissions purposes. Now tell us where this student did get in.

The best response is "packaged"? A typical response if there is no legitimate response. The student was not packaged but worked hard, studied hard and contributed to the school life and the community life while exploring other interests aside from the school.

As did several hundreds if not thousands with similar looking apps.

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Anonymous wrote:For those who keep saying his son would have been admitted anyway, you should look at the statistics for Asian students who are accepted and rejected by Harvard. Having close to a 4.0 gpa and near-perfect SATs might guarantee acceptance for some ethnicities, but not for Asians.

*1000. I know of an Asian TJ grad with perfect gpa (4.0 unweighted which is extremely tough at TJ and probably top 1% and around 4.6 weighted), 2,390 SAT, Presidential Scholar nominee, NM Scholar, ton of leadership positions, lot of volunteering, extensive research, prestigious internship over the summer, TV show appearance, scholastic writing award, chemistry Olympiad finals, etc. etc. and was rejected by Harvard due to no legacy, no connection, no donation, seeking financial aid (not full pay) etc. Completely rigged.

Wait a minute. How do you know it was due to that?

Because there were other grads who gained admissions (with significantly lower stats openly talking about their "connections" whether it was parents knowing the "right" people or people at Harvard etc.) with few URMs getting admitted as well. Basically, being an Asian American applicant with no hooks and seeking FA is the worst situation and it will be virtually impossible to gain admission even with better credentials than most admitted students.

+1 I have seen Asian students with far better stats, extracurriculars and leadership positions get rejected from schools that weaker white peers have gotten into.

But you're not on the admissions committee now are you/ Who's to say they were weaker?

If you look at the Harvard lawsuit by Asian Americans, you'll see that they were systematically rated by the very admissions committee as less likable and with their accomplishments given lower valuations than their white counterparts. Unconscious bias or racism, take your pick.

We're not going to litigate the plaintiff's allegations in the "Harvard lawsuit" on here. Give it up! We can talk when the judges rules on the case. And it is not being brought by Asian Americans - look into it a bit; your statement is false.

It was brought by a non-profit entity on behalf of Asian American applicants against Harvard alleging racial discrimination against Asian American applicants by Harvard. Is that clear enough?

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Anonymous wrote:For those who keep saying his son would have been admitted anyway, you should look at the statistics for Asian students who are accepted and rejected by Harvard. Having close to a 4.0 gpa and near-perfect SATs might guarantee acceptance for some ethnicities, but not for Asians.

*1000. I know of an Asian TJ grad with perfect gpa (4.0 unweighted which is extremely tough at TJ and probably top 1% and around 4.6 weighted), 2,390 SAT, Presidential Scholar nominee, NM Scholar, ton of leadership positions, lot of volunteering, extensive research, prestigious internship over the summer, TV show appearance, scholastic writing award, chemistry Olympiad finals, etc. etc. and was rejected by Harvard due to no legacy, no connection, no donation, seeking financial aid (not full pay) etc. Completely rigged.

Wait a minute. How do you know it was due to that?

Because there were other grads who gained admissions (with significantly lower stats openly talking about their "connections" whether it was parents knowing the "right" people or people at Harvard etc.) with few URMs getting admitted as well. Basically, being an Asian American applicant with no hooks and seeking FA is the worst situation and it will be virtually impossible to gain admission even with better credentials than most admitted students.

+1 I have seen Asian students with far better stats, extracurriculars and leadership positions get rejected from schools that weaker white peers have gotten into.

But you're not on the admissions committee now are you/ Who's to say they were weaker?

If you look at the Harvard lawsuit by Asian Americans, you'll see that they were systematically rated by the very admissions committee as less likable and with their accomplishments given lower valuations than their white counterparts. Unconscious bias or racism, take your pick.

We're not going to litigate the plaintiff's allegations in the "Harvard lawsuit" on here. Give it up! We can talk when the judges rules on the case. And it is not being brought by Asian Americans - look into it a bit; your statement is false.

It was brought by a non-profit entity on behalf of Asian American applicants against Harvard alleging racial discrimination against Asian American applicants by Harvard. Is that clear enough?

+1 This is a college admissions board. We have the right to quote facts that have been cited in the lawsuit, such as Asians being rated as "less likable" by Harvard.