Mueller does not find Trump campaign knowingly conspired with Russia

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Basically Trump UN-wittingly colluded with Russia. Putin still manipulated him, and people around him were also a party to it in various ways.

Russians have a word for Trump's role - "useful idiot."

Either way Trump is still unfit to serve. Period.

In some ways that's more troubling for 2020. If Trump had knowingly colluded, the past couple of years might discourage him from doing it again if he felt like Mueller got too close and there will be too much scrutiny the next time. But if he's an unwitting pawn who doesn't know the difference, they can just as easily use him next time to continue to manipulate our political system to their own advantage.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Not getting the dispositive treatment. Nothing dispositive here.

The release was Barr's view. It didn't come from Mueller.

The "no collusion" finding was limited to one Government-controlled troll farm and related governmental agencies. It didn't include the ruling party.

The Barr letter explicit said that Trump was not exonerated.

There have already been numerous indictments and convictions.

The Barr letter reserved rights under 6(e), meaning that there definitely are MORE indictments coming.

So, no exoneration; potential collusion; Congressional hearings and multiple criminal trials still to come.

So, you believe Barr is misrepresenting the findings by Mueller? Really?
Do you remember when it was FALSELY reported that Mueller had evidence that Trump told Cohen to lie? Do you remember what happened?
Mueller's team issued a rare statement debunking that lie.
So, if Barr is misrepresenting what Mueller found, don't you think that Mueller would say something?

You need to go plan a march or something.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Basically Trump UN-wittingly colluded with Russia. Putin still manipulated him, and people around him were also a party to it in various ways.

Russians have a word for Trump's role - "useful idiot."

Either way Trump is still unfit to serve. Period.

LOL. Still in denial.

Mueller's report said there was no conspiracy (collusion) "despite multiple offers from Russian-affiliated individuals to assist the Trump campaign."

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Basically Trump UN-wittingly colluded with Russia. Putin still manipulated him, and people around him were also a party to it in various ways.

Russians have a word for Trump's role - "useful idiot."

Either way Trump is still unfit to serve. Period.

Stop. Not only is collusion unproven, Russian actions seem to be basically meaningless in determining the election.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Not getting the dispositive treatment. Nothing dispositive here.

The release was Barr's view. It didn't come from Mueller.

The "no collusion" finding was limited to one Government-controlled troll farm and related governmental agencies. It didn't include the ruling party.

The Barr letter explicit said that Trump was not exonerated.

There have already been numerous indictments and convictions.

The Barr letter reserved rights under 6(e), meaning that there definitely are MORE indictments coming.

So, no exoneration; potential collusion; Congressional hearings and multiple criminal trials still to come.

No.

Barr totally exonerated the president. Muller concluded no collusion. Rod and Barr concluded that there is no obstruction of justice.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Basically Trump UN-wittingly colluded with Russia. Putin still manipulated him, and people around him were also a party to it in various ways.

Russians have a word for Trump's role - "useful idiot."

Either way Trump is still unfit to serve. Period.

Stop. Not only is collusion unproven, Russian actions seem to be basically meaningless in determining the election.

If only that were true.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The key word is "knowingly". This conclusion just means they didn't "deliberately" conspire with Russia or there wasn't even enough evidence to show that they "intended" to do something unlawful.

The SC didn't say "knowingly." CNN did. A poster here did.

The SC said there was no collusion despite several attempts on the part of Russian-associated people to get them to.
That, my friend, is exoneration on the collusion/conspiracy allegation.

It certainly is.

I love it!

The Special counsel states that “while this report does not conclude that the president committed a crime, it also does not exonerate him.”

That quote was in regard to obstruction, friend.
Read the report. Don't get your headlines from CNN.
And, the SC chose not to make decisions regarding obstruction. Likely because there was no underlying crime to obstruct.

More from the BARR letter: The Special Counsel did not draw a conclusion, "one way or the other," as to whether Trump's examined conduct constituted obstruction.

Nobody needs your speculation.

PP wasn't speculating. PP was quoting directly and paraphrasing. There was no inference in the PP's response.

I'll speculate. Trump 2020 . . . b/c the Ds have gone off the deep end

I say this as a former D, now I.

+1
Like so many others, I completely agree with you.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This is actually a good day for America.

No American citizen conspired with Russia to sway the election.

If you are not happy about this, check your patriotism.

There is a difference between proof that someone is innocent and lack of proof to support a criminal charge/conviction. The latter does not mean that the person did not commit a crime, only that adequate proof could not be found that the person did commit the crime.

Take it out of the Trump/Mueller context for a moment. If law enforcement were investigating a mugging and trying to determine whether a particular person was responsible, video evidence that the suspect was elsewhere at the time of the mugging would exonerate him because it would prove that he could not have been the mugger. If the suspect's alibi couldn't be corroborated, though, but investigators also couldn't find sufficient evidence to prove the suspect did commit the mugging, that doesn't mean the suspect didn't do it, right? It just means that investigators can't prove that he did, and is different from them finding direct evidence that he didn't.

In this case, nothing has been released so far that suggests there is direct evidence Trump did not collude with Russia, only that there isn't evidence he did. Whether he actually did or not (as a separate question from whether it can be proven) is still an open question about which people will continue to form their own opinions. For those people who aren't convinced there was no collusion, today isn't a happy day because the report didn't prove that no one conspired with Russia, it only means that to the extent anyone may have colluded, they are going to get away with it.

Think for just a minute.....
Mueller had dozens of FBI agents and numerous high power attorneys at his disposal. He had unlimited financial resources. He had no time limit.
He issued thousands of subpoenas, hundreds of search warrants, and interviewed around 500 witnesses.

His report indicates that Trump, nor anyone associated with him conspired with Russia. Period.

If he couldn't find it, despite all his human and financial resources, it doesn't exist.

PP, you're far too rational to be wasting time trying to reason with morons. They will insist until their dying breath that Trump colluded with Russia, and no amount of investigations will ever convince them otherwise. It's pathetic, really.

You're so right. And, they are the ones who repeatedly asked the past two years...... "Will you believe Mueller's report?"
Of course, they just KNEW it would show evidence of collusion because the Dems in Congress and the media have fed them that lie for years.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:Basically Trump UN-wittingly colluded with Russia. Putin still manipulated him, and people around him were also a party to it in various ways.

Russians have a word for Trump's role - "useful idiot."

Either way Trump is still unfit to serve. Period.

Stop. Not only is collusion unproven, Russian actions seem to be basically meaningless in determining the election.

If only that were true.

You’re only fooling yourself.

[Anonymous]

Nadler is still in denial. He is digging himself deeper. It is embarrassing.

[Anonymous]

The reaction of Democrats:

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Yes, Trump is an undignified, unqualified narcissist, but the "media resistance" -- esp WaPo, NYT, CNN, MSNBC -- have shown that they are a cross between a rating$-driven entertainment product and a partisan attack dog. In other words, sadly, they really do peddle fake news.

[Anonymous]

With Trump fully exonerated, the only option is to gear up for the 2020 election. I bet his GOP challengers won’t run now. His chances of re-election just went way up.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Basically Trump UN-wittingly colluded with Russia. Putin still manipulated him, and people around him were also a party to it in various ways.

Russians have a word for Trump's role - "useful idiot."

Either way Trump is still unfit to serve. Period.

Stop. Not only is collusion unproven, Russian actions seem to be basically meaningless in determining the election.

No, you stop. Nobody is saying Trump and Russia were in bed together. Russia wanted Trump to win not to have an ally but to weaken America. Read Alexander Dugin's book "Foundations of Geopolitics" - it is a playbook for what went on, and what is continuing to go on. Trump had no clue what was going on. He is an incompetent buffoon. He was still trying to cozy up to Putin offering sanctions to Russia still stupidly hoping for hotel deals even as the Russians ramped up even harder on their efforts to undermine us. Unbelievable.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Basically Trump UN-wittingly colluded with Russia. Putin still manipulated him, and people around him were also a party to it in various ways.

Russians have a word for Trump's role - "useful idiot."

Either way Trump is still unfit to serve. Period.

Stop. Not only is collusion unproven, Russian actions seem to be basically meaningless in determining the election.

What evidence do you have that the Russian actions didn’t matter?