Chevy Chase MD - What's so great about it?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:People in chevy chase pay to be surrounded by rich white people. They even say so in this thread before their comments get deleted

PP directly above you, and, yeah, exactly. I mean, isn't that what they think is so great about it? That's what all the other stuff is code for, when you get down to it. FWIW, I'm a white woman who grew up in Bethesda, so I know this area well.

Chevy Chase was built for exactly this. It’s not like it just happened that way. The black and poor people who were here were removed and the housing and amenities were uniformly expensive and exclusively for white people. That’s not ancient history.

Do you know of specific black residents in Ch Ch in the past, especially in what’s now the Village? I’m familiar with a past of black residents in currently Chi-Chi areas of DC+MD closer to the River.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I really don't care what happened in Chevy Chase 100 years ago. Do you know what happened 100 years ago too? WWI and millions of white people killing each other. Do I care about that too? Nope.

Nothing stops black buyers from moving to Chevy Chase. Nothing. It's not Chevy Chase's fault if there aren't enough minorities to satisfy your quotas. Good luck trying to make a moral dilemma out of some people wanting to live in Chevy Chase. They are living their life the way they want to while you are sitting in a front of a screen ranting.

Ah, yes, if only I could be as rich and as clueless! I'll stay in touch with reality, thanks.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:People in chevy chase pay to be surrounded by rich white people. They even say so in this thread before their comments get deleted

PP directly above you, and, yeah, exactly. I mean, isn't that what they think is so great about it? That's what all the other stuff is code for, when you get down to it. FWIW, I'm a white woman who grew up in Bethesda, so I know this area well.

Chevy Chase was built for exactly this. It’s not like it just happened that way. The black and poor people who were here were removed and the housing and amenities were uniformly expensive and exclusively for white people. That’s not ancient history.

Do you know of specific black residents in Ch Ch in the past, especially in what’s now the Village? I’m familiar with a past of black residents in currently Chi-Chi areas of DC+MD closer to the River.

Sure, but the Chevy Chase Land Company owned more than a thousand acres from Woodley Park out towards the beltway. It would be silly to suggest one section were more or less "innocent" than another, since the whole effort from the creation of the park through at least 1980 or so is the intentional exclusion of black and low income people from the area. And I get that the people who live there now are innocent of intentions of the founders! But "innocent" should not be ignorant and to pretend that's all in the past and people just move there now for "nice houses and good schools" is a corrosive obfuscation. You can't ignore the truth because it's uncomfortable. You can still live there, and like it! It's not as if other places in the city (or anywhere!) are free of problematic history. But the truth is the truth and the community needs to confront it with honesty, and so do the people who move there.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:People in chevy chase pay to be surrounded by rich white people. They even say so in this thread before their comments get deleted

PP directly above you, and, yeah, exactly. I mean, isn't that what they think is so great about it? That's what all the other stuff is code for, when you get down to it. FWIW, I'm a white woman who grew up in Bethesda, so I know this area well.

Chevy Chase was built for exactly this. It’s not like it just happened that way. The black and poor people who were here were removed and the housing and amenities were uniformly expensive and exclusively for white people. That’s not ancient history.

Do you know of specific black residents in Ch Ch in the past, especially in what’s now the Village? I’m familiar with a past of black residents in currently Chi-Chi areas of DC+MD closer to the River.

DP, but you asked. Not ancient history.

https://www.washingtoncitypaper.com/news/article/21014041/upper-northwest-activists-and-the-descendant-of-a-remarkable-black-family-want-to-put-back-missing-pieces-of-dc-history

Also, a little about the racist founder of Chevy Chase:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/history/2018/09/29/racist-history-chevy-chase-home-power-players-like-brett-kavanaugh/?utm_term=.95bfa4acfb55

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I really don't care what happened in Chevy Chase 100 years ago. Do you know what happened 100 years ago too? WWI and millions of white people killing each other. Do I care about that too? Nope.

Nothing stops black buyers from moving to Chevy Chase. Nothing. It's not Chevy Chase's fault if there aren't enough minorities to satisfy your quotas. Good luck trying to make a moral dilemma out of some people wanting to live in Chevy Chase. They are living their life the way they want to while you are sitting in a front of a screen ranting.

Ah, yes, if only I could be as rich and as clueless! I'll stay in touch with reality, thanks.

Leaving aside the obvious falsehood of "100 years ago," you would have to be a pretty stupid person to not care about WWI and WWII though, right? And would you look around and say, well, WWI and WWII don't affect us today? That would be an absurd position.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:People in chevy chase pay to be surrounded by rich white people. They even say so in this thread before their comments get deleted

PP directly above you, and, yeah, exactly. I mean, isn't that what they think is so great about it? That's what all the other stuff is code for, when you get down to it. FWIW, I'm a white woman who grew up in Bethesda, so I know this area well.

Chevy Chase was built for exactly this. It’s not like it just happened that way. The black and poor people who were here were removed and the housing and amenities were uniformly expensive and exclusively for white people. That’s not ancient history.

Do you know of specific black residents in Ch Ch in the past, especially in what’s now the Village? I’m familiar with a past of black residents in currently Chi-Chi areas of DC+MD closer to the River.

Sure, but the Chevy Chase Land Company owned more than a thousand acres from Woodley Park out towards the beltway. It would be silly to suggest one section were more or less "innocent" than another, since the whole effort from the creation of the park through at least 1980 or so is the intentional exclusion of black and low income people from the area. And I get that the people who live there now are innocent of intentions of the founders! But "innocent" should not be ignorant and to pretend that's all in the past and people just move there now for "nice houses and good schools" is a corrosive obfuscation. You can't ignore the truth because it's uncomfortable. You can still live there, and like it! It's not as if other places in the city (or anywhere!) are free of problematic history. But the truth is the truth and the community needs to confront it with honesty, and so do the people who move there.

What are you talking about? I knew all the stuff you've posted. I'm interested in the possibility or specific sources on black residents in what's now 20815, especially in the Village, before Newlands hit the scene. I know of a bunch of similar communities in places like Kent/Palisades, Westbard, near Seven Locks Rd with it's very unfortunate old creek name, etc.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:People in chevy chase pay to be surrounded by rich white people. They even say so in this thread before their comments get deleted

PP directly above you, and, yeah, exactly. I mean, isn't that what they think is so great about it? That's what all the other stuff is code for, when you get down to it. FWIW, I'm a white woman who grew up in Bethesda, so I know this area well.

Chevy Chase was built for exactly this. It’s not like it just happened that way. The black and poor people who were here were removed and the housing and amenities were uniformly expensive and exclusively for white people. That’s not ancient history.

Do you know of specific black residents in Ch Ch in the past, especially in what’s now the Village? I’m familiar with a past of black residents in currently Chi-Chi areas of DC+MD closer to the River.

DP, but you asked. Not ancient history.

https://www.washingtoncitypaper.com/news/article/21014041/upper-northwest-activists-and-the-descendant-of-a-remarkable-black-family-want-to-put-back-missing-pieces-of-dc-history

Also, a little about the racist founder of Chevy Chase:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/history/2018/09/29/racist-history-chevy-chase-home-power-players-like-brett-kavanaugh/?utm_term=.95bfa4acfb55

I'll post what I posted a minute before, because you haven't answered what I asked. I know what you've posted. THIS IS WHAT I'M interested in:
I'm interested in the possibility or specific sources on black residents in what's now 20815, especially in the Village, before Newlands hit the scene. I know of a bunch of similar communities in places like Kent/Palisades, Westbard, near Seven Locks Rd with it's very unfortunate old creek name, etc.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:People in chevy chase pay to be surrounded by rich white people. They even say so in this thread before their comments get deleted

PP directly above you, and, yeah, exactly. I mean, isn't that what they think is so great about it? That's what all the other stuff is code for, when you get down to it. FWIW, I'm a white woman who grew up in Bethesda, so I know this area well.

Chevy Chase was built for exactly this. It’s not like it just happened that way. The black and poor people who were here were removed and the housing and amenities were uniformly expensive and exclusively for white people. That’s not ancient history.

Do you know of specific black residents in Ch Ch in the past, especially in what’s now the Village? I’m familiar with a past of black residents in currently Chi-Chi areas of DC+MD closer to the River.

DP, but you asked. Not ancient history.

https://www.washingtoncitypaper.com/news/article/21014041/upper-northwest-activists-and-the-descendant-of-a-remarkable-black-family-want-to-put-back-missing-pieces-of-dc-history

Also, a little about the racist founder of Chevy Chase:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/history/2018/09/29/racist-history-chevy-chase-home-power-players-like-brett-kavanaugh/?utm_term=.95bfa4acfb55

I'll post what I posted a minute before, because you haven't answered what I asked. I know what you've posted. THIS IS WHAT I'M interested in:
I'm interested in the possibility or specific sources on black residents in what's now 20815, especially in the Village, before Newlands hit the scene. I know of a bunch of similar communities in places like Kent/Palisades, Westbard, near Seven Locks Rd with it's very unfortunate old creek name, etc.

I don't know of any. I do know there was a large black neighborhood at Fort Reno that was removed and there were also people removed near Lafayette (which is why that big park is there). I understand those aren't in 20815. I don't think the DC line makes any substantive distinction in terms of the history, and certainly the exclusion of people is a larger theme in the story than the removal of people since so much of the land was empty/rural.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:People in chevy chase pay to be surrounded by rich white people. They even say so in this thread before their comments get deleted

PP directly above you, and, yeah, exactly. I mean, isn't that what they think is so great about it? That's what all the other stuff is code for, when you get down to it. FWIW, I'm a white woman who grew up in Bethesda, so I know this area well.

Chevy Chase was built for exactly this. It’s not like it just happened that way. The black and poor people who were here were removed and the housing and amenities were uniformly expensive and exclusively for white people. That’s not ancient history.

Do you know of specific black residents in Ch Ch in the past, especially in what’s now the Village? I’m familiar with a past of black residents in currently Chi-Chi areas of DC+MD closer to the River.

DP, but you asked. Not ancient history.

https://www.washingtoncitypaper.com/news/article/21014041/upper-northwest-activists-and-the-descendant-of-a-remarkable-black-family-want-to-put-back-missing-pieces-of-dc-history

Also, a little about the racist founder of Chevy Chase:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/history/2018/09/29/racist-history-chevy-chase-home-power-players-like-brett-kavanaugh/?utm_term=.95bfa4acfb55

I'll post what I posted a minute before, because you haven't answered what I asked. I know what you've posted. THIS IS WHAT I'M interested in:
I'm interested in the possibility or specific sources on black residents in what's now 20815, especially in the Village, before Newlands hit the scene. I know of a bunch of similar communities in places like Kent/Palisades, Westbard, near Seven Locks Rd with it's very unfortunate old creek name, etc.

I don't know of any. I do know there was a large black neighborhood at Fort Reno that was removed and there were also people removed near Lafayette (which is why that big park is there). I understand those aren't in 20815. I don't think the DC line makes any substantive distinction in terms of the history, and certainly the exclusion of people is a larger theme in the story than the removal of people since so much of the land was empty/rural.

Oh good, PP posted the link to the story about Lafayette. If you feel like that has nothing to do with 20815 because it's over the line, that makes no sense.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:People in chevy chase pay to be surrounded by rich white people. They even say so in this thread before their comments get deleted

PP directly above you, and, yeah, exactly. I mean, isn't that what they think is so great about it? That's what all the other stuff is code for, when you get down to it. FWIW, I'm a white woman who grew up in Bethesda, so I know this area well.

Chevy Chase was built for exactly this. It’s not like it just happened that way. The black and poor people who were here were removed and the housing and amenities were uniformly expensive and exclusively for white people. That’s not ancient history.

Do you know of specific black residents in Ch Ch in the past, especially in what’s now the Village? I’m familiar with a past of black residents in currently Chi-Chi areas of DC+MD closer to the River.

DP, but you asked. Not ancient history.

https://www.washingtoncitypaper.com/news/article/21014041/upper-northwest-activists-and-the-descendant-of-a-remarkable-black-family-want-to-put-back-missing-pieces-of-dc-history

Also, a little about the racist founder of Chevy Chase:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/history/2018/09/29/racist-history-chevy-chase-home-power-players-like-brett-kavanaugh/?utm_term=.95bfa4acfb55

I'll post what I posted a minute before, because you haven't answered what I asked. I know what you've posted. THIS IS WHAT I'M interested in:
I'm interested in the possibility or specific sources on black residents in what's now 20815, especially in the Village, before Newlands hit the scene. I know of a bunch of similar communities in places like Kent/Palisades, Westbard, near Seven Locks Rd with it's very unfortunate old creek name, etc.

I don't know of any. I do know there was a large black neighborhood at Fort Reno that was removed and there were also people removed near Lafayette (which is why that big park is there). I understand those aren't in 20815. I don't think the DC line makes any substantive distinction in terms of the history, and certainly the exclusion of people is a larger theme in the story than the removal of people since so much of the land was empty/rural.

Oh good, PP posted the link to the story about Lafayette. If you feel like that has nothing to do with 20815 because it's over the line, that makes no sense.

I guess this could have been in 20815 but not clear those people moved in anyway:
"In 1909, when a developer sold a few lots near Western Avenue to black families, the Chevy Chase Land Co. filed suit and reacquired the property, keeping the community white."

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:People in chevy chase pay to be surrounded by rich white people. They even say so in this thread before their comments get deleted

PP directly above you, and, yeah, exactly. I mean, isn't that what they think is so great about it? That's what all the other stuff is code for, when you get down to it. FWIW, I'm a white woman who grew up in Bethesda, so I know this area well.

Chevy Chase was built for exactly this. It’s not like it just happened that way. The black and poor people who were here were removed and the housing and amenities were uniformly expensive and exclusively for white people. That’s not ancient history.

Do you know of specific black residents in Ch Ch in the past, especially in what’s now the Village? I’m familiar with a past of black residents in currently Chi-Chi areas of DC+MD closer to the River.

DP, but you asked. Not ancient history.

https://www.washingtoncitypaper.com/news/article/21014041/upper-northwest-activists-and-the-descendant-of-a-remarkable-black-family-want-to-put-back-missing-pieces-of-dc-history

Also, a little about the racist founder of Chevy Chase:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/history/2018/09/29/racist-history-chevy-chase-home-power-players-like-brett-kavanaugh/?utm_term=.95bfa4acfb55

I'll post what I posted a minute before, because you haven't answered what I asked. I know what you've posted. THIS IS WHAT I'M interested in:
I'm interested in the possibility or specific sources on black residents in what's now 20815, especially in the Village, before Newlands hit the scene. I know of a bunch of similar communities in places like Kent/Palisades, Westbard, near Seven Locks Rd with it's very unfortunate old creek name, etc.

I don't know of any. I do know there was a large black neighborhood at Fort Reno that was removed and there were also people removed near Lafayette (which is why that big park is there). I understand those aren't in 20815. I don't think the DC line makes any substantive distinction in terms of the history, and certainly the exclusion of people is a larger theme in the story than the removal of people since so much of the land was empty/rural.

Ok, thanks. This was just the first time I'd specifically heard hints of pre-Newlands blacks in what's currently Chevy Chase (especially what's now the Village). I'm one to soak up the forgotten black history of the DC/MD and was wondering if anyone had a specific starting point about that for Chevy Chase. If anyone does, please share!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:People in chevy chase pay to be surrounded by rich white people. They even say so in this thread before their comments get deleted

PP directly above you, and, yeah, exactly. I mean, isn't that what they think is so great about it? That's what all the other stuff is code for, when you get down to it. FWIW, I'm a white woman who grew up in Bethesda, so I know this area well.

Chevy Chase was built for exactly this. It’s not like it just happened that way. The black and poor people who were here were removed and the housing and amenities were uniformly expensive and exclusively for white people. That’s not ancient history.

Do you know of specific black residents in Ch Ch in the past, especially in what’s now the Village? I’m familiar with a past of black residents in currently Chi-Chi areas of DC+MD closer to the River.

DP, but you asked. Not ancient history.

https://www.washingtoncitypaper.com/news/article/21014041/upper-northwest-activists-and-the-descendant-of-a-remarkable-black-family-want-to-put-back-missing-pieces-of-dc-history

Also, a little about the racist founder of Chevy Chase:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/history/2018/09/29/racist-history-chevy-chase-home-power-players-like-brett-kavanaugh/?utm_term=.95bfa4acfb55

I'll post what I posted a minute before, because you haven't answered what I asked. I know what you've posted. THIS IS WHAT I'M interested in:
I'm interested in the possibility or specific sources on black residents in what's now 20815, especially in the Village, before Newlands hit the scene. I know of a bunch of similar communities in places like Kent/Palisades, Westbard, near Seven Locks Rd with it's very unfortunate old creek name, etc.

Immediate PP here. This seems to be an instance of moving the goal posts. Why are you specifically asking for evidence of Chevy Chase black residents before Newlands? This was not in your original request. What would evidence of black families before Newlands prove or disprove?

Any anyway, if you read the first link, you'd see that the black family featured, the Harris family, first settled around Broad Branch Rd. around 1850. They lived there for the next 80 years until the National Capital Park and Planning Commission acquired the land, and they were forced to leave under threat of eminent domain.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:People in chevy chase pay to be surrounded by rich white people. They even say so in this thread before their comments get deleted

PP directly above you, and, yeah, exactly. I mean, isn't that what they think is so great about it? That's what all the other stuff is code for, when you get down to it. FWIW, I'm a white woman who grew up in Bethesda, so I know this area well.

Chevy Chase was built for exactly this. It’s not like it just happened that way. The black and poor people who were here were removed and the housing and amenities were uniformly expensive and exclusively for white people. That’s not ancient history.

Do you know of specific black residents in Ch Ch in the past, especially in what’s now the Village? I’m familiar with a past of black residents in currently Chi-Chi areas of DC+MD closer to the River.

DP, but you asked. Not ancient history.

https://www.washingtoncitypaper.com/news/article/21014041/upper-northwest-activists-and-the-descendant-of-a-remarkable-black-family-want-to-put-back-missing-pieces-of-dc-history

Also, a little about the racist founder of Chevy Chase:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/history/2018/09/29/racist-history-chevy-chase-home-power-players-like-brett-kavanaugh/?utm_term=.95bfa4acfb55

I'll post what I posted a minute before, because you haven't answered what I asked. I know what you've posted. THIS IS WHAT I'M interested in:
I'm interested in the possibility or specific sources on black residents in what's now 20815, especially in the Village, before Newlands hit the scene. I know of a bunch of similar communities in places like Kent/Palisades, Westbard, near Seven Locks Rd with it's very unfortunate old creek name, etc.

I don't know of any. I do know there was a large black neighborhood at Fort Reno that was removed and there were also people removed near Lafayette (which is why that big park is there). I understand those aren't in 20815. I don't think the DC line makes any substantive distinction in terms of the history, and certainly the exclusion of people is a larger theme in the story than the removal of people since so much of the land was empty/rural.

Oh good, PP posted the link to the story about Lafayette. If you feel like that has nothing to do with 20815 because it's over the line, that makes no sense.

I was asking for some very specific information about something that was hinted at by a PP: that what is now Chevy Chase MD has a history, likely pre-Newlands, of black residents. Please don't assume anything more than that I was making a request for that information.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I really don't care what happened in Chevy Chase 100 years ago. Do you know what happened 100 years ago too? WWI and millions of white people killing each other. Do I care about that too? Nope.

Nothing stops black buyers from moving to Chevy Chase. Nothing. It's not Chevy Chase's fault if there aren't enough minorities to satisfy your quotas. Good luck trying to make a moral dilemma out of some people wanting to live in Chevy Chase. They are living their life the way they want to while you are sitting in a front of a screen ranting.

Ah, yes, if only I could be as rich and as clueless! I'll stay in touch with reality, thanks.

Leaving aside the obvious falsehood of "100 years ago," you would have to be a pretty stupid person to not care about WWI and WWII though, right? And would you look around and say, well, WWI and WWII don't affect us today? That would be an absurd position.

I think the point is that a lot of bad stuff happened in the past but we shouldn’t let it dictate what we do today. There’s a real danger in being so hung up on history that you can’t enjoy the present and focus on the future. It’s fine if you have personal reasons for not wanting to live in Chevy Chase out of acknowledgement of its discriminatory past. But don’t extent that belief to others who don’t view history the way you do. Judging people for wanting to live in Chevy Chase circa 2019 because of what happened 100 years ago when they, and even their parents and grandparents, weren’t even alive, is a childish thing to do.

[Anonymous]

I'm a person of color living in 20815 and as part of our closing documents, the owner of the home gave me some old documents on the history of the home which included a flyer touting the "exclusive community requirements" back in 1922 or so. Made me proud to be part of making it more diverse--nearly 100 years later.