All clothing is ugly these days

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Anonymous wrote:All of these apparently young (?) women posting about style and the "dcum fraus" sound ignorant. Trendy, cheap clothes do not look good and they don't last. I'm 27, btw.

NP. I am young at heart (47). If you spent enough time here and saw the shoes and dresses posted along with the insistence on pantyhose you would get why people are calling these women fraus.

There is nothing wrong with this top posted earlier and it does not skew 14 yo.

https://www.anntaylor.com/dotted-ruffle-tie-neck-blouse-/440701?skuId=23737419&defaultColor=2222&colorExplode=false&catid=cata000010

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If you don't get it, you don't get it. And you never will.

Don't get what? Don't get the appeal of busy, ruffled, cheaply made and over priced trendy shirts?

Fashion.

Btw, it's ruffled shirts now, in 3 years when the styles have completely shifted, you will find another thing to complain about. It's what out of touch people do and have done since the beginning of the modern era. Always complaining about what the "kids are wearing"

Okay, but I'm young, most likely younger than you, and I know a lot about fashion. Anne Taylor isn't it.

I doubt all of your first sentence. And no one thinks it is except for the fraus on here, but gold star to you for at least knowing that basic tidbit about fashion.

I'm 27 and worked in visual merchandising (designing store windows) for a major upscale department store for a few years after college before grad school. Are you younger than me and do you have more experience than I do?

Yes to both! And a major department store (interesting you didn't say which) is hardly the cutting edge of style, to put it nicely. Most major department stores cater to middle America and are a dying breed. Perhaps that's why you don't get what's happening in fashion today? How young to be that out of it.

NP. Age and fashion credentials: put up or shut up.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:All of the bubbleheaded millennials on here defending their ugly clothes because they are too soft minded and lacking in creativity to reject anything the media sells them. Sorry, the rest of us are not "fraus" for calling this shit ugly. It IS ugly, just like bell bottoms were ugly. Some things just are.

I get the impression that the multiple posts labeling anyone who dares to agree with the OP an old, out of touch, frumpy "frau" were written by one (very prolific) poster.

These posts reek of the same kind of desperation. I can't quite decide, however, whether a person who emits this particular brand of pathetic desperation is more likely to be a) a mentally unwell individual who is in desperate need of anger management therapy, treatment for BPD, &/or an intervention, b) a disgruntled (& perhaps recently fired) fashion designer who is in desperate need of a new career, or c) just an incredibly obnoxious & immature woman who never outgrew her middle school mean girl mentality & is in desperate need of several swift kicks to her (trendily attired) ass.

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I don't think clothing is that bad. I think the problem is that people don't want to pay for it. They want a $40 shirt that lasts and is a nice material. If you're willing to spend the money there are some great brands out there. Hugo Boss, Theory, Rebecca Taylor, Joie, DVF, etc. what's even better is that now with the internet ALL women have access to these brands. You don't have to live in NY to find nice clothing. Again, most women don't want to pay for it. They want Zara prices. Instead you need to spend more money on clothing and have it tailored.

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https://www.anntaylor.com/the-trouser-in-tropical-wool---kate-fit/409871?skuId=23440265&defaultColor=1220&colorExplode=false&catid=cata000013

Reviews for these AT pants tell the whole story--a few years ago these tropical wool pants were 80+% wool and lined; now they are ~45% wool and unlined. WTF?

As for the people above crowing about the state of today's fashion, don't piss on my leg and tell me it's raining. The clothing being sold today, at all price points, bears no resemblance to the quality of yesteryear. There isn't a fashion writer or blogger out there who isn't lamenting the problem. So don't try to tell me it's the DC hausfrau.

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Anonymous wrote:All of these apparently young (?) women posting about style and the "dcum fraus" sound ignorant. Trendy, cheap clothes do not look good and they don't last. I'm 27, btw.

NP. I am young at heart (47). If you spent enough time here and saw the shoes and dresses posted along with the insistence on pantyhose you would get why people are calling these women fraus.

There is nothing wrong with this top posted earlier and it does not skew 14 yo.

https://www.anntaylor.com/dotted-ruffle-tie-neck-blouse-/440701?skuId=23737419&defaultColor=2222&colorExplode=false&catid=cata000010

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If you don't get it, you don't get it. And you never will.

Don't get what? Don't get the appeal of busy, ruffled, cheaply made and over priced trendy shirts?

Fashion.

Btw, it's ruffled shirts now, in 3 years when the styles have completely shifted, you will find another thing to complain about. It's what out of touch people do and have done since the beginning of the modern era. Always complaining about what the "kids are wearing"

Okay, but I'm young, most likely younger than you, and I know a lot about fashion. Anne Taylor isn't it.

I doubt all of your first sentence. And no one thinks it is except for the fraus on here, but gold star to you for at least knowing that basic tidbit about fashion.

I'm 27 and worked in visual merchandising (designing store windows) for a major upscale department store for a few years after college before grad school. Are you younger than me and do you have more experience than I do?

Yes to both! And a major department store (interesting you didn't say which) is hardly the cutting edge of style, to put it nicely. Most major department stores cater to middle America and are a dying breed. Perhaps that's why you don't get what's happening in fashion today? How young to be that out of it.

NP. Age and fashion credentials: put up or shut up.

This. Also why on earth are you on this website if youre younger than 27 and working in fashion?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:https://www.anntaylor.com/the-trouser-in-tropical-wool---kate-fit/409871?skuId=23440265&defaultColor=1220&colorExplode=false&catid=cata000013

Reviews for these AT pants tell the whole story--a few years ago these tropical wool pants were 80+% wool and lined; now they are ~45% wool and unlined. WTF?

As for the people above crowing about the state of today's fashion, don't piss on my leg and tell me it's raining. The clothing being sold today, at all price points, bears no resemblance to the quality of yesteryear. There isn't a fashion writer or blogger out there who isn't lamenting the problem. So don't try to tell me it's the DC hausfrau.

The problem is out of touch oldies lamenting the STYLE of today's clothing. Complaints about quality are far different from a bunch of legendarily unstylish ladies bemoaning that all the clothes "look bad"- no, you just don't get it. Just as most out of touch oldies have not gotten current fashion for the past hundred years. It's the same old story it always was.

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Anonymous wrote:All of these apparently young (?) women posting about style and the "dcum fraus" sound ignorant. Trendy, cheap clothes do not look good and they don't last. I'm 27, btw.

NP. I am young at heart (47). If you spent enough time here and saw the shoes and dresses posted along with the insistence on pantyhose you would get why people are calling these women fraus.

There is nothing wrong with this top posted earlier and it does not skew 14 yo.

https://www.anntaylor.com/dotted-ruffle-tie-neck-blouse-/440701?skuId=23737419&defaultColor=2222&colorExplode=false&catid=cata000010

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If you don't get it, you don't get it. And you never will.

Don't get what? Don't get the appeal of busy, ruffled, cheaply made and over priced trendy shirts?

Fashion.

Btw, it's ruffled shirts now, in 3 years when the styles have completely shifted, you will find another thing to complain about. It's what out of touch people do and have done since the beginning of the modern era. Always complaining about what the "kids are wearing"

Okay, but I'm young, most likely younger than you, and I know a lot about fashion. Anne Taylor isn't it.

I doubt all of your first sentence. And no one thinks it is except for the fraus on here, but gold star to you for at least knowing that basic tidbit about fashion.

I'm 27 and worked in visual merchandising (designing store windows) for a major upscale department store for a few years after college before grad school. Are you younger than me and do you have more experience than I do?

Yes to both! And a major department store (interesting you didn't say which) is hardly the cutting edge of style, to put it nicely. Most major department stores cater to middle America and are a dying breed. Perhaps that's why you don't get what's happening in fashion today? How young to be that out of it.

Okay. I majored in design at an art school and never said the store was in the US. Please list your age and credentials. Please make my day and say you're a fashion blogger!

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Anonymous wrote:All of these apparently young (?) women posting about style and the "dcum fraus" sound ignorant. Trendy, cheap clothes do not look good and they don't last. I'm 27, btw.

NP. I am young at heart (47). If you spent enough time here and saw the shoes and dresses posted along with the insistence on pantyhose you would get why people are calling these women fraus.

There is nothing wrong with this top posted earlier and it does not skew 14 yo.

https://www.anntaylor.com/dotted-ruffle-tie-neck-blouse-/440701?skuId=23737419&defaultColor=2222&colorExplode=false&catid=cata000010

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If you don't get it, you don't get it. And you never will.

Don't get what? Don't get the appeal of busy, ruffled, cheaply made and over priced trendy shirts?

Fashion.

Btw, it's ruffled shirts now, in 3 years when the styles have completely shifted, you will find another thing to complain about. It's what out of touch people do and have done since the beginning of the modern era. Always complaining about what the "kids are wearing"

Okay, but I'm young, most likely younger than you, and I know a lot about fashion. Anne Taylor isn't it.

I doubt all of your first sentence. And no one thinks it is except for the fraus on here, but gold star to you for at least knowing that basic tidbit about fashion.

I'm 27 and worked in visual merchandising (designing store windows) for a major upscale department store for a few years after college before grad school. Are you younger than me and do you have more experience than I do?

Yes to both! And a major department store (interesting you didn't say which) is hardly the cutting edge of style, to put it nicely. Most major department stores cater to middle America and are a dying breed. Perhaps that's why you don't get what's happening in fashion today? How young to be that out of it.

Okay. I majored in design at an art school and never said the store was in the US. Please list your age and credentials. Please make my day and say you're a fashion blogger!

No thanks, I'm not really looking for the approval of someone who works in a crappy department store window at age 27. Who the hell cares about art school. However you even found this site boggles the mind, but suffice to say if this is where you come to discuss fashion, I think that says it all. They hired you well to appeal to the middle aged mom crowd though

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Anonymous wrote:All of these apparently young (?) women posting about style and the "dcum fraus" sound ignorant. Trendy, cheap clothes do not look good and they don't last. I'm 27, btw.

NP. I am young at heart (47). If you spent enough time here and saw the shoes and dresses posted along with the insistence on pantyhose you would get why people are calling these women fraus.

There is nothing wrong with this top posted earlier and it does not skew 14 yo.

https://www.anntaylor.com/dotted-ruffle-tie-neck-blouse-/440701?skuId=23737419&defaultColor=2222&colorExplode=false&catid=cata000010

+1000

If you don't get it, you don't get it. And you never will.

Don't get what? Don't get the appeal of busy, ruffled, cheaply made and over priced trendy shirts?

Fashion.

Btw, it's ruffled shirts now, in 3 years when the styles have completely shifted, you will find another thing to complain about. It's what out of touch people do and have done since the beginning of the modern era. Always complaining about what the "kids are wearing"

Okay, but I'm young, most likely younger than you, and I know a lot about fashion. Anne Taylor isn't it.

I doubt all of your first sentence. And no one thinks it is except for the fraus on here, but gold star to you for at least knowing that basic tidbit about fashion.

I'm 27 and worked in visual merchandising (designing store windows) for a major upscale department store for a few years after college before grad school. Are you younger than me and do you have more experience than I do?

Yes to both! And a major department store (interesting you didn't say which) is hardly the cutting edge of style, to put it nicely. Most major department stores cater to middle America and are a dying breed. Perhaps that's why you don't get what's happening in fashion today? How young to be that out of it.

Okay. I majored in design at an art school and never said the store was in the US. Please list your age and credentials. Please make my day and say you're a fashion blogger!

No thanks, I'm not really looking for the approval of someone who works in a crappy department store window at age 27. Who the hell cares about art school. However you even found this site boggles the mind, but suffice to say if this is where you come to discuss fashion, I think that says it all. They hired you well to appeal to the middle aged mom crowd though

I found this site because I'm a mom who lives in DC now no longer working in a "crappy department store window." Really miss all the free clothes! Why are YOU here?

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Anonymous wrote:I don't think clothing is that bad. I think the problem is that people don't want to pay for it. They want a $40 shirt that lasts and is a nice material. If you're willing to spend the money there are some great brands out there. Hugo Boss, Theory, Rebecca Taylor, Joie, DVF, etc. what's even better is that now with the internet ALL women have access to these brands. You don't have to live in NY to find nice clothing. Again, most women don't want to pay for it. They want Zara prices. Instead you need to spend more money on clothing and have it tailored.

You don't have to live in NY, but apparently you do need to find $300+ for one pair of pants.

I actually think the demise of the mall/department store is part of the problem. I generally have to try on half a dozen pairs of pants or more to find one pair that fit well enough that I can take them to the tailor to be altered. (I have an 11" difference between waist and hip, so every bottom I buy--and some dresses, too--needs alterations.) Buying online means buying 6 pairs, waiting to have them delivered, trying on and possibly finding that none of them fit, then boxing up and returning, then trying again. So 10 days go by and I still don't have a pair of pants to wear. I find it really frustrating.

[Anonymous]

Fwiw, I'm a 25-year-old from NYC & LA who is the far from "frumpy" yet I completely agree with the OP! #TeamFraus

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I think the publicist is back you guys

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I am a 24 year old from NYC & LA and I totally disagree with the OP! #TeamFashion

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There are a few trends that don't work on my middle age, pear shaped body. Leggings, cold shoulders, skinny jeans. Even straight leg jeans are really not that flattering for me.

I think online shopping has been the demise of tailored clothing. If people are buying online, clothing needs to be designed so that it fits people without trying it on. That means more knit fabrics, elastic waistbands, boxier cuts, etc.

I am willing to get my clothing tailored to improve the fit. What annoys me is that it is getting harder and harder to find lined clothing. Who wants to wear unlined trouser pants, blazers, dresses, and skirts to work.

My young admin assistant, is the queen of short and or tight unlined clothing and flip flops, or some sort of crazy gladiator style sandal. I could easily see her bra and thong on friday. Trying to decide whether to counsel her. The older I get the less I care though.

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Anonymous wrote:Okay. I'll agree I'm probably a "frumpy matron". I'm middle aged. I had a mother who thought everything should have ruffles, bows, and/or embroidery. When I was young she literally sewed jingle bells on some of my clothes. When I finally got to pick my own clothes I opted for simple, classic looks. If a trend appealed to me, I might pick up one piece, but I wanted clothes I could wear for years.

I agree with everything that's been said here, but I have two additional complaints.

Can we get rid of lowrise pants? They don't really look good on anyone. I can remember when pants actually fit. The waistline actually hit the waist, and you didn't have the huge gap in the back.

Can we get rid of rayon? It wrinkles badly and has to be ironed, but scorches so easily that you end up with shiny spots. It also is terrible about pilling.

I don't have a Neiman Marcus budget. I tend to shop at JC Penney or Sears. Target's awful. I think the quality and prices at Walmart are much better - but that's for stocking up on T-shirts, etc. Even I don't think of Walmart as fashionable.

I think we are in a great place right now with offerings for low, mid, and high rise pants, I'm surprised this is what you are seeing. It's not like the early aughts when literally all pants were low-rise.