SCOTUS upholds college Affirmative Action

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For top national universities such as Berkeley and UCLA, national demographics should be used not regional. Nationally, blacks make up about 12% of the population. Incoming black student population for Berkeley was 2.8% for 2015 and the total black student population for UCLA is 4.0% which are very small compared to 10 to 12 percent for other top schools. This is with unofficial Institutional Affirmative Action at UCs despite the ban in place.

NP-No, you should use state demographics to compare state school enrollment. State schools give state residents preference in admissions; Cal and UCLA are no exception. The prior PP is correct, California's two flagship universities' Black population is aligned with the state's Black population.

Berkeley's 2015 incoming black students: 2.8%
Stanford's 2015 incoming black students: 7.8%

Both schools are located in California and both use holistic admissions program so what makes Stanford's black student number significantly higher (almost 3 times) than Berkeley number even though both are in California and Stanford is supposedly more selective school (the most selective in the country)? Berkeley is even cheaper for black students who are California residents. Shouldn't Berkeley's numbers be higher for blacks?

You guessed it. Affirmative Action program at Stanford where race preference is significant.

UC Berkeley in-state cost is 36k, stanford's is $62k. Like the Ivys on the east coast, Stanford is expects nada, zero, nilch in financial support for families earning less than 125k. Anybody who can get into Stanford can get into UCB. The money is at Stanford. Berkeley doesn't pass out that kind of financial assistance.

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Anonymous wrote:It's interesting to see the black lady beating up on white posters. What is sad is that Asian Americans who are most affected by this ruling is forgotten and ignored once again.

Forget Becky with bad grades, Asian Americans with excellent grades, scores, awards, ECs, leadership skills, sport etc. are getting denied admission to top schools due to soft quotas in place at the top universities for Asian Americans . Asian Americans have accomplished academic and non-academic accomplishments despite many of them (or their parents) being immigrants who had to overcome language and cultural obstacles in addition to the same racial discrimination. Blacks are not the only group experiencing discrimination. Asians have been forced into slave labor, sent to internment camps, had property confiscated, lynched, subject to Chinese Exclusion Act etc.

Hopefully, the legal actions against Harvard and UNC by Asian Americans can proceed now the SCOTUS case is over.

Don't forget, wherever Holistic admission system" is used without considering "race", blacks make up extremely small number which is very telling.

For example, TJ uses "Holistic Admission System" and places heavy emphasis on short essays (SIS) and longer essay (some would say to give preference to non-Asians) and the admission's office bends backwards to recruit and admit blacks and Hispanics but their numbers are typically around 1% and 3% respectively and not much better for Berkeley and UCLA for blacks (2-3%) while Hispanics do better (20-25%).

What the fuck is your point with this? So tired of hearing. Damn, you fight with the 1 - 3% of black students getting in and we really took your Asian snowflakes slot away really? We didn't take your slot, white kids did. If the black kids weren't performing, then I would say, maybe it's a problem. If they are, that means that there are more important things to evaluate and proves intelligence then just grades.

2015 UCLA Fall demographics are 23% Hispanic, 30% white, 37% Asian, and 5% Black.. California demographics on the other hand is 57% white, 13% Asian, 37% Hispanic, and 6% Black. It seems that the Black population is aligned with the state population. The Hispanic enrollment will catch up to the state demographics eventually. The problem is that the white population is well below the state demographics. As a result of the Asians taking UCLA seats from the whites, the whites are bitching about the few seats Blacks and Hispanics earn. It's not 1970, whites are not entitled to every seat in the classroom.

For top national universities such as Berkeley and UCLA, national demographics should be used not regional. Nationally, blacks make up about 12% of the population. Incoming black student population for Berkeley was 2.8% for 2015 and the total black student population for UCLA is 4.0% which are very small compared to 10 to 12 percent for other top schools. This is with unofficial Institutional Affirmative Action at UCs despite the ban in place.

I disagree. Smart students attend school than can either afford or receive substantial financial assistance. Berkeley and UCLC doesn't offer much, if any, aid to out of state students. Those schools are relatively inexpensive for in-state students. California has just under 6% in Black residents. Why would a kid who could receive substantial assistance from Harvard, Stanford, Bates, Williams, etc pay out-of-state tuition to attend UCLA? Such a choice would be beyond stupid.

Uh because they were not offered admission because "race" is not one of the factors?

State schools equal state preference. The difference between 5% and 6% is statistically insignificant. You really won't be able to make your bigoted argument using UC schools, so please move along.

How do you explain the low numbers of black students at TJ? TJ uses subjective holistic admissions process with a decades long programs/policies to increase blacks. Don't say NoVa black population is 6% because it is not. However, they are prohibited from using race as a factor.

Asians are the only group of people creaming for TJ. Applications among all demographics, except Asians are down. TJ is the school for the Asians.

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Anonymous wrote:It's interesting to see the black lady beating up on white posters. What is sad is that Asian Americans who are most affected by this ruling is forgotten and ignored once again.

Forget Becky with bad grades, Asian Americans with excellent grades, scores, awards, ECs, leadership skills, sport etc. are getting denied admission to top schools due to soft quotas in place at the top universities for Asian Americans . Asian Americans have accomplished academic and non-academic accomplishments despite many of them (or their parents) being immigrants who had to overcome language and cultural obstacles in addition to the same racial discrimination. Blacks are not the only group experiencing discrimination. Asians have been forced into slave labor, sent to internment camps, had property confiscated, lynched, subject to Chinese Exclusion Act etc.

Hopefully, the legal actions against Harvard and UNC by Asian Americans can proceed now the SCOTUS case is over.

Don't forget, wherever Holistic admission system" is used without considering "race", blacks make up extremely small number which is very telling.

For example, TJ uses "Holistic Admission System" and places heavy emphasis on short essays (SIS) and longer essay (some would say to give preference to non-Asians) and the admission's office bends backwards to recruit and admit blacks and Hispanics but their numbers are typically around 1% and 3% respectively and not much better for Berkeley and UCLA for blacks (2-3%) while Hispanics do better (20-25%).

What the fuck is your point with this? So tired of hearing. Damn, you fight with the 1 - 3% of black students getting in and we really took your Asian snowflakes slot away really? We didn't take your slot, white kids did. If the black kids weren't performing, then I would say, maybe it's a problem. If they are, that means that there are more important things to evaluate and proves intelligence then just grades.

2015 UCLA Fall demographics are 23% Hispanic, 30% white, 37% Asian, and 5% Black.. California demographics on the other hand is 57% white, 13% Asian, 37% Hispanic, and 6% Black. It seems that the Black population is aligned with the state population. The Hispanic enrollment will catch up to the state demographics eventually. The problem is that the white population is well below the state demographics. As a result of the Asians taking UCLA seats from the whites, the whites are bitching about the few seats Blacks and Hispanics earn. It's not 1970, whites are not entitled to every seat in the classroom.

For top national universities such as Berkeley and UCLA, national demographics should be used not regional. Nationally, blacks make up about 12% of the population. Incoming black student population for Berkeley was 2.8% for 2015 and the total black student population for UCLA is 4.0% which are very small compared to 10 to 12 percent for other top schools. This is with unofficial Institutional Affirmative Action at UCs despite the ban in place.

NP-No, you should use state demographics to compare state school enrollment. State schools give state residents preference in admissions; Cal and UCLA are no exception. The prior PP is correct, California's two flagship universities' Black population is aligned with the state's Black population.

Berkeley's 2015 incoming black students: 2.8%
Stanford's 2015 incoming black students: 7.8%

Both schools are located in California and both use holistic admissions program so what makes Stanford's black student number significantly higher (almost 3 times) than Berkeley number even though both are in California and Stanford is supposedly more selective school (the most selective in the country)? Berkeley is even cheaper for black students who are California residents. Shouldn't Berkeley's numbers be higher for blacks?

You guessed it. Affirmative Action program at Stanford where race preference is significant.

No dummy. You didn't say how many were accepted. If I am a top black student, why would I go to Berkeley over Stanford? With Stanford's financial aid, the price would be the same or cheaper.

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For top national universities such as Berkeley and UCLA, national demographics should be used not regional. Nationally, blacks make up about 12% of the population. Incoming black student population for Berkeley was 2.8% for 2015 and the total black student population for UCLA is 4.0% which are very small compared to 10 to 12 percent for other top schools. This is with unofficial Institutional Affirmative Action at UCs despite the ban in place.

NP-No, you should use state demographics to compare state school enrollment. State schools give state residents preference in admissions; Cal and UCLA are no exception. The prior PP is correct, California's two flagship universities' Black population is aligned with the state's Black population.

Berkeley's 2015 incoming black students: 2.8%
Stanford's 2015 incoming black students: 7.8%

Both schools are located in California and both use holistic admissions program so what makes Stanford's black student number significantly higher (almost 3 times) than Berkeley number even though both are in California and Stanford is supposedly more selective school (the most selective in the country)? Berkeley is even cheaper for black students who are California residents. Shouldn't Berkeley's numbers be higher for blacks?

You guessed it. Affirmative Action program at Stanford where race preference is significant.

UC Berkeley in-state cost is 36k, stanford's is $62k. Like the Ivys on the east coast, Stanford is expects nada, zero, nilch in financial support for families earning less than 125k. Anybody who can get into Stanford can get into UCB. The money is at Stanford. Berkeley doesn't pass out that kind of financial assistance.

Nope. You have to pay about $17,000.00 for approximately $125,000.00 HHI. The financial aid doesn't do you any good if you are not accepted first. Your post still doesn't explain why significantly higher percentage of blacks are admitted to Stanford than Berkeley except for the racial preference difference.

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Anonymous wrote:Affirmative Action = Food Stamp of Education

- some need it
- some get it and want more
- some don't, and don't want it
- most of who get it, can't get out of poverty anyway

The troglodyte who wrote this nonsense is trying way to hard to be clever. Give it up because you do not possess the intelligence nor the talent to pull it off.

At least I worked for what I have... No help from AActions, no Govt hand-outs. Everything I have, I worked for and earned it. Can you say that about yourself? I paid for your foot stamps. Don't forget that.

Ought oh, it's beginning to show. Tsk, tak

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Anonymous wrote:It's interesting to see the black lady beating up on white posters. What is sad is that Asian Americans who are most affected by this ruling is forgotten and ignored once again.

Forget Becky with bad grades, Asian Americans with excellent grades, scores, awards, ECs, leadership skills, sport etc. are getting denied admission to top schools due to soft quotas in place at the top universities for Asian Americans . Asian Americans have accomplished academic and non-academic accomplishments despite many of them (or their parents) being immigrants who had to overcome language and cultural obstacles in addition to the same racial discrimination. Blacks are not the only group experiencing discrimination. Asians have been forced into slave labor, sent to internment camps, had property confiscated, lynched, subject to Chinese Exclusion Act etc.

Hopefully, the legal actions against Harvard and UNC by Asian Americans can proceed now the SCOTUS case is over.

Don't forget, wherever Holistic admission system" is used without considering "race", blacks make up extremely small number which is very telling.

For example, TJ uses "Holistic Admission System" and places heavy emphasis on short essays (SIS) and longer essay (some would say to give preference to non-Asians) and the admission's office bends backwards to recruit and admit blacks and Hispanics but their numbers are typically around 1% and 3% respectively and not much better for Berkeley and UCLA for blacks (2-3%) while Hispanics do better (20-25%).

What the fuck is your point with this? So tired of hearing. Damn, you fight with the 1 - 3% of black students getting in and we really took your Asian snowflakes slot away really? We didn't take your slot, white kids did. If the black kids weren't performing, then I would say, maybe it's a problem. If they are, that means that there are more important things to evaluate and proves intelligence then just grades.

2015 UCLA Fall demographics are 23% Hispanic, 30% white, 37% Asian, and 5% Black.. California demographics on the other hand is 57% white, 13% Asian, 37% Hispanic, and 6% Black. It seems that the Black population is aligned with the state population. The Hispanic enrollment will catch up to the state demographics eventually. The problem is that the white population is well below the state demographics. As a result of the Asians taking UCLA seats from the whites, the whites are bitching about the few seats Blacks and Hispanics earn. It's not 1970, whites are not entitled to every seat in the classroom.

For top national universities such as Berkeley and UCLA, national demographics should be used not regional. Nationally, blacks make up about 12% of the population. Incoming black student population for Berkeley was 2.8% for 2015 and the total black student population for UCLA is 4.0% which are very small compared to 10 to 12 percent for other top schools. This is with unofficial Institutional Affirmative Action at UCs despite the ban in place.

I disagree. Smart students attend school than can either afford or receive substantial financial assistance. Berkeley and UCLC doesn't offer much, if any, aid to out of state students. Those schools are relatively inexpensive for in-state students. California has just under 6% in Black residents. Why would a kid who could receive substantial assistance from Harvard, Stanford, Bates, Williams, etc pay out-of-state tuition to attend UCLA? Such a choice would be beyond stupid.

Uh because they were not offered admission because "race" is not one of the factors?

State schools equal state preference. The difference between 5% and 6% is statistically insignificant. You really won't be able to make your bigoted argument using UC schools, so please move along.

How do you explain the low numbers of black students at TJ? TJ uses subjective holistic admissions process with a decades long programs/policies to increase blacks. Don't say NoVa black population is 6% because it is not. However, they are prohibited from using race as a factor.

Asians are the only group of people creaming for TJ. Applications among all demographics, except Asians are down. TJ is the school for the Asians.

Good for Asians. You don't have to apply if you don't want to.

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For top national universities such as Berkeley and UCLA, national demographics should be used not regional. Nationally, blacks make up about 12% of the population. Incoming black student population for Berkeley was 2.8% for 2015 and the total black student population for UCLA is 4.0% which are very small compared to 10 to 12 percent for other top schools. This is with unofficial Institutional Affirmative Action at UCs despite the ban in place.

NP-No, you should use state demographics to compare state school enrollment. State schools give state residents preference in admissions; Cal and UCLA are no exception. The prior PP is correct, California's two flagship universities' Black population is aligned with the state's Black population.

Berkeley's 2015 incoming black students: 2.8%
Stanford's 2015 incoming black students: 7.8%

Both schools are located in California and both use holistic admissions program so what makes Stanford's black student number significantly higher (almost 3 times) than Berkeley number even though both are in California and Stanford is supposedly more selective school (the most selective in the country)? Berkeley is even cheaper for black students who are California residents. Shouldn't Berkeley's numbers be higher for blacks?

You guessed it. Affirmative Action program at Stanford where race preference is significant.

UC Berkeley in-state cost is 36k, stanford's is $62k. Like the Ivys on the east coast, Stanford is expects nada, zero, nilch in financial support for families earning less than 125k. Anybody who can get into Stanford can get into UCB. The money is at Stanford. Berkeley doesn't pass out that kind of financial assistance.

Nope. You have to pay about $17,000.00 for approximately $125,000.00 HHI. The financial aid doesn't do you any good if you are not accepted first. Your post still doesn't explain why significantly higher percentage of blacks are admitted to Stanford than Berkeley except for the racial preference difference.

Your numbers aren't admits. They are enrolled numbers. Big difference. And 17k is still significantly less than 36k. Moreover, all things being equal, Stanford all the way.

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Anonymous wrote:It's interesting to see the black lady beating up on white posters. What is sad is that Asian Americans who are most affected by this ruling is forgotten and ignored once again.

Forget Becky with bad grades, Asian Americans with excellent grades, scores, awards, ECs, leadership skills, sport etc. are getting denied admission to top schools due to soft quotas in place at the top universities for Asian Americans . Asian Americans have accomplished academic and non-academic accomplishments despite many of them (or their parents) being immigrants who had to overcome language and cultural obstacles in addition to the same racial discrimination. Blacks are not the only group experiencing discrimination. Asians have been forced into slave labor, sent to internment camps, had property confiscated, lynched, subject to Chinese Exclusion Act etc.

Hopefully, the legal actions against Harvard and UNC by Asian Americans can proceed now the SCOTUS case is over.

Don't forget, wherever Holistic admission system" is used without considering "race", blacks make up extremely small number which is very telling.

For example, TJ uses "Holistic Admission System" and places heavy emphasis on short essays (SIS) and longer essay (some would say to give preference to non-Asians) and the admission's office bends backwards to recruit and admit blacks and Hispanics but their numbers are typically around 1% and 3% respectively and not much better for Berkeley and UCLA for blacks (2-3%) while Hispanics do better (20-25%).

What the fuck is your point with this? So tired of hearing. Damn, you fight with the 1 - 3% of black students getting in and we really took your Asian snowflakes slot away really? We didn't take your slot, white kids did. If the black kids weren't performing, then I would say, maybe it's a problem. If they are, that means that there are more important things to evaluate and proves intelligence then just grades.

2015 UCLA Fall demographics are 23% Hispanic, 30% white, 37% Asian, and 5% Black.. California demographics on the other hand is 57% white, 13% Asian, 37% Hispanic, and 6% Black. It seems that the Black population is aligned with the state population. The Hispanic enrollment will catch up to the state demographics eventually. The problem is that the white population is well below the state demographics. As a result of the Asians taking UCLA seats from the whites, the whites are bitching about the few seats Blacks and Hispanics earn. It's not 1970, whites are not entitled to every seat in the classroom.

For top national universities such as Berkeley and UCLA, national demographics should be used not regional. Nationally, blacks make up about 12% of the population. Incoming black student population for Berkeley was 2.8% for 2015 and the total black student population for UCLA is 4.0% which are very small compared to 10 to 12 percent for other top schools. This is with unofficial Institutional Affirmative Action at UCs despite the ban in place.

NP-No, you should use state demographics to compare state school enrollment. State schools give state residents preference in admissions; Cal and UCLA are no exception. The prior PP is correct, California's two flagship universities' Black population is aligned with the state's Black population.

Berkeley's 2015 incoming black students: 2.8%
Stanford's 2015 incoming black students: 7.8%

Both schools are located in California and both use holistic admissions program so what makes Stanford's black student number significantly higher (almost 3 times) than Berkeley number even though both are in California and Stanford is supposedly more selective school (the most selective in the country)? Berkeley is even cheaper for black students who are California residents. Shouldn't Berkeley's numbers be higher for blacks?

You guessed it. Affirmative Action program at Stanford where race preference is significant.

No dummy. You didn't say how many were accepted. If I am a top black student, why would I go to Berkeley over Stanford? With Stanford's financial aid, the price would be the same or cheaper.

You dummy if that (yield rate) is the only thing at play than we should expect the same for Asian Americans; higher % at Stanford (more prestige, supposedly more aid etc.) so let's see what the Asian student populations are:


Stanford: about 20%
Berkeley about 40%

Hmm... why are there substantially more Asians at Berkeley than Stanford if Stanford is more prestigious and supposedly gives more aid (even if it is significantly more expensive)? Wonder what is going on here? Whay are Asian numbers reversed compared to Blacks?

Are you one of the many individuals who always post that Asians have the largest HHI as a group in this country? If so, they have too much damn money to qualify for the discounted cost.

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Anonymous wrote:It's interesting to see the black lady beating up on white posters. What is sad is that Asian Americans who are most affected by this ruling is forgotten and ignored once again.

Forget Becky with bad grades, Asian Americans with excellent grades, scores, awards, ECs, leadership skills, sport etc. are getting denied admission to top schools due to soft quotas in place at the top universities for Asian Americans . Asian Americans have accomplished academic and non-academic accomplishments despite many of them (or their parents) being immigrants who had to overcome language and cultural obstacles in addition to the same racial discrimination. Blacks are not the only group experiencing discrimination. Asians have been forced into slave labor, sent to internment camps, had property confiscated, lynched, subject to Chinese Exclusion Act etc.

Hopefully, the legal actions against Harvard and UNC by Asian Americans can proceed now the SCOTUS case is over.

Don't forget, wherever Holistic admission system" is used without considering "race", blacks make up extremely small number which is very telling.

For example, TJ uses "Holistic Admission System" and places heavy emphasis on short essays (SIS) and longer essay (some would say to give preference to non-Asians) and the admission's office bends backwards to recruit and admit blacks and Hispanics but their numbers are typically around 1% and 3% respectively and not much better for Berkeley and UCLA for blacks (2-3%) while Hispanics do better (20-25%).

What the fuck is your point with this? So tired of hearing. Damn, you fight with the 1 - 3% of black students getting in and we really took your Asian snowflakes slot away really? We didn't take your slot, white kids did. If the black kids weren't performing, then I would say, maybe it's a problem. If they are, that means that there are more important things to evaluate and proves intelligence then just grades.

2015 UCLA Fall demographics are 23% Hispanic, 30% white, 37% Asian, and 5% Black.. California demographics on the other hand is 57% white, 13% Asian, 37% Hispanic, and 6% Black. It seems that the Black population is aligned with the state population. The Hispanic enrollment will catch up to the state demographics eventually. The problem is that the white population is well below the state demographics. As a result of the Asians taking UCLA seats from the whites, the whites are bitching about the few seats Blacks and Hispanics earn. It's not 1970, whites are not entitled to every seat in the classroom.

For top national universities such as Berkeley and UCLA, national demographics should be used not regional. Nationally, blacks make up about 12% of the population. Incoming black student population for Berkeley was 2.8% for 2015 and the total black student population for UCLA is 4.0% which are very small compared to 10 to 12 percent for other top schools. This is with unofficial Institutional Affirmative Action at UCs despite the ban in place.

I disagree. Smart students attend school than can either afford or receive substantial financial assistance. Berkeley and UCLC doesn't offer much, if any, aid to out of state students. Those schools are relatively inexpensive for in-state students. California has just under 6% in Black residents. Why would a kid who could receive substantial assistance from Harvard, Stanford, Bates, Williams, etc pay out-of-state tuition to attend UCLA? Such a choice would be beyond stupid.

Uh because they were not offered admission because "race" is not one of the factors?

State schools equal state preference. The difference between 5% and 6% is statistically insignificant. You really won't be able to make your bigoted argument using UC schools, so please move along.

How do you explain the low numbers of black students at TJ? TJ uses subjective holistic admissions process with a decades long programs/policies to increase blacks. Don't say NoVa black population is 6% because it is not. However, they are prohibited from using race as a factor.

Asians are the only group of people creaming for TJ. Applications among all demographics, except Asians are down. TJ is the school for the Asians.

$90 million in school renovations, $25 million in new equipment/labs etc. all for Asians. Have you been to TJ recently? It's magnificent! Best equipped high school in the area possibly in the country! And Asians get to keep it all for themselves!

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For top national universities such as Berkeley and UCLA, national demographics should be used not regional. Nationally, blacks make up about 12% of the population. Incoming black student population for Berkeley was 2.8% for 2015 and the total black student population for UCLA is 4.0% which are very small compared to 10 to 12 percent for other top schools. This is with unofficial Institutional Affirmative Action at UCs despite the ban in place.

NP-No, you should use state demographics to compare state school enrollment. State schools give state residents preference in admissions; Cal and UCLA are no exception. The prior PP is correct, California's two flagship universities' Black population is aligned with the state's Black population.

Berkeley's 2015 incoming black students: 2.8%
Stanford's 2015 incoming black students: 7.8%

Both schools are located in California and both use holistic admissions program so what makes Stanford's black student number significantly higher (almost 3 times) than Berkeley number even though both are in California and Stanford is supposedly more selective school (the most selective in the country)? Berkeley is even cheaper for black students who are California residents. Shouldn't Berkeley's numbers be higher for blacks?

You guessed it. Affirmative Action program at Stanford where race preference is significant.

UC Berkeley in-state cost is 36k, stanford's is $62k. Like the Ivys on the east coast, Stanford is expects nada, zero, nilch in financial support for families earning less than 125k. Anybody who can get into Stanford can get into UCB. The money is at Stanford. Berkeley doesn't pass out that kind of financial assistance.

Nope. You have to pay about $17,000.00 for approximately $125,000.00 HHI. The financial aid doesn't do you any good if you are not accepted first. Your post still doesn't explain why significantly higher percentage of blacks are admitted to Stanford than Berkeley except for the racial preference difference.

Your numbers aren't admits. They are enrolled numbers. Big difference. And 17k is still significantly less than 36k. Moreover, all things being equal, Stanford all the way.

Most in-state students at Berkeley pay 0 to 30% of the total expected cost. Typically between $7,000 to $16,000 so you can't make the cost argument.

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Anonymous wrote:It's interesting to see the black lady beating up on white posters. What is sad is that Asian Americans who are most affected by this ruling is forgotten and ignored once again.

Forget Becky with bad grades, Asian Americans with excellent grades, scores, awards, ECs, leadership skills, sport etc. are getting denied admission to top schools due to soft quotas in place at the top universities for Asian Americans . Asian Americans have accomplished academic and non-academic accomplishments despite many of them (or their parents) being immigrants who had to overcome language and cultural obstacles in addition to the same racial discrimination. Blacks are not the only group experiencing discrimination. Asians have been forced into slave labor, sent to internment camps, had property confiscated, lynched, subject to Chinese Exclusion Act etc.

Hopefully, the legal actions against Harvard and UNC by Asian Americans can proceed now the SCOTUS case is over.

Don't forget, wherever Holistic admission system" is used without considering "race", blacks make up extremely small number which is very telling.

For example, TJ uses "Holistic Admission System" and places heavy emphasis on short essays (SIS) and longer essay (some would say to give preference to non-Asians) and the admission's office bends backwards to recruit and admit blacks and Hispanics but their numbers are typically around 1% and 3% respectively and not much better for Berkeley and UCLA for blacks (2-3%) while Hispanics do better (20-25%).

What the fuck is your point with this? So tired of hearing. Damn, you fight with the 1 - 3% of black students getting in and we really took your Asian snowflakes slot away really? We didn't take your slot, white kids did. If the black kids weren't performing, then I would say, maybe it's a problem. If they are, that means that there are more important things to evaluate and proves intelligence then just grades.

2015 UCLA Fall demographics are 23% Hispanic, 30% white, 37% Asian, and 5% Black.. California demographics on the other hand is 57% white, 13% Asian, 37% Hispanic, and 6% Black. It seems that the Black population is aligned with the state population. The Hispanic enrollment will catch up to the state demographics eventually. The problem is that the white population is well below the state demographics. As a result of the Asians taking UCLA seats from the whites, the whites are bitching about the few seats Blacks and Hispanics earn. It's not 1970, whites are not entitled to every seat in the classroom.

For top national universities such as Berkeley and UCLA, national demographics should be used not regional. Nationally, blacks make up about 12% of the population. Incoming black student population for Berkeley was 2.8% for 2015 and the total black student population for UCLA is 4.0% which are very small compared to 10 to 12 percent for other top schools. This is with unofficial Institutional Affirmative Action at UCs despite the ban in place.

I disagree. Smart students attend school than can either afford or receive substantial financial assistance. Berkeley and UCLC doesn't offer much, if any, aid to out of state students. Those schools are relatively inexpensive for in-state students. California has just under 6% in Black residents. Why would a kid who could receive substantial assistance from Harvard, Stanford, Bates, Williams, etc pay out-of-state tuition to attend UCLA? Such a choice would be beyond stupid.

Uh because they were not offered admission because "race" is not one of the factors?

State schools equal state preference. The difference between 5% and 6% is statistically insignificant. You really won't be able to make your bigoted argument using UC schools, so please move along.

How do you explain the low numbers of black students at TJ? TJ uses subjective holistic admissions process with a decades long programs/policies to increase blacks. Don't say NoVa black population is 6% because it is not. However, they are prohibited from using race as a factor.

Asians are the only group of people creaming for TJ. Applications among all demographics, except Asians are down. TJ is the school for the Asians.

$90 million in school renovations, $25 million in new equipment/labs etc. all for Asians. Have you been to TJ recently? It's magnificent! Best equipped high school in the area possibly in the country! And Asians get to keep it all for themselves!

Yes, I understand that. I really don't have an issue with them keeping it all to themselves. But it is what it is. For many families, TJ is not the experience they want for their children. Enjoy.

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For top national universities such as Berkeley and UCLA, national demographics should be used not regional. Nationally, blacks make up about 12% of the population. Incoming black student population for Berkeley was 2.8% for 2015 and the total black student population for UCLA is 4.0% which are very small compared to 10 to 12 percent for other top schools. This is with unofficial Institutional Affirmative Action at UCs despite the ban in place.

NP-No, you should use state demographics to compare state school enrollment. State schools give state residents preference in admissions; Cal and UCLA are no exception. The prior PP is correct, California's two flagship universities' Black population is aligned with the state's Black population.

Berkeley's 2015 incoming black students: 2.8%
Stanford's 2015 incoming black students: 7.8%

Both schools are located in California and both use holistic admissions program so what makes Stanford's black student number significantly higher (almost 3 times) than Berkeley number even though both are in California and Stanford is supposedly more selective school (the most selective in the country)? Berkeley is even cheaper for black students who are California residents. Shouldn't Berkeley's numbers be higher for blacks?

You guessed it. Affirmative Action program at Stanford where race preference is significant.

UC Berkeley in-state cost is 36k, stanford's is $62k. Like the Ivys on the east coast, Stanford is expects nada, zero, nilch in financial support for families earning less than 125k. Anybody who can get into Stanford can get into UCB. The money is at Stanford. Berkeley doesn't pass out that kind of financial assistance.

Nope. You have to pay about $17,000.00 for approximately $125,000.00 HHI. The financial aid doesn't do you any good if you are not accepted first. Your post still doesn't explain why significantly higher percentage of blacks are admitted to Stanford than Berkeley except for the racial preference difference.

Your numbers aren't admits. They are enrolled numbers. Big difference. And 17k is still significantly less than 36k. Moreover, all things being equal, Stanford all the way.

Most in-state students at Berkeley pay 0 to 30% of the total expected cost. Typically between $7,000 to $16,000 so you can't make the cost argument.

That's not true. They end up paying for it later in the school loans.

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For top national universities such as Berkeley and UCLA, national demographics should be used not regional. Nationally, blacks make up about 12% of the population. Incoming black student population for Berkeley was 2.8% for 2015 and the total black student population for UCLA is 4.0% which are very small compared to 10 to 12 percent for other top schools. This is with unofficial Institutional Affirmative Action at UCs despite the ban in place.

NP-No, you should use state demographics to compare state school enrollment. State schools give state residents preference in admissions; Cal and UCLA are no exception. The prior PP is correct, California's two flagship universities' Black population is aligned with the state's Black population.

Berkeley's 2015 incoming black students: 2.8%
Stanford's 2015 incoming black students: 7.8%

Both schools are located in California and both use holistic admissions program so what makes Stanford's black student number significantly higher (almost 3 times) than Berkeley number even though both are in California and Stanford is supposedly more selective school (the most selective in the country)? Berkeley is even cheaper for black students who are California residents. Shouldn't Berkeley's numbers be higher for blacks?

You guessed it. Affirmative Action program at Stanford where race preference is significant.

UC Berkeley in-state cost is 36k, stanford's is $62k. Like the Ivys on the east coast, Stanford is expects nada, zero, nilch in financial support for families earning less than 125k. Anybody who can get into Stanford can get into UCB. The money is at Stanford. Berkeley doesn't pass out that kind of financial assistance.

Nope. You have to pay about $17,000.00 for approximately $125,000.00 HHI. The financial aid doesn't do you any good if you are not accepted first. Your post still doesn't explain why significantly higher percentage of blacks are admitted to Stanford than Berkeley except for the racial preference difference.

Your numbers aren't admits. They are enrolled numbers. Big difference. And 17k is still significantly less than 36k. Moreover, all things being equal, Stanford all the way.

Most in-state students at Berkeley pay 0 to 30% of the total expected cost. Typically between $7,000 to $16,000 so you can't make the cost argument.

That's not true. They end up paying for it later in the school loans.

Not really:

"Did You Know?

Sixty-one percent of Berkeley undergraduate students who graduated between July 1, 2013 and June 30, 2014 graduated without loan debt (Federal Direct Subsidized/Unsubsidized Loans, Federal Perkins Loans, private loans). The average cumulative loan debt for graduating seniors was $17,584. "

http://financialaid.berkeley.edu/tags/student-loans

17,584/4= 4.396 per year for 39% of the graduates. Not bad. That also works out to average of about $1,800 per year in student loan for all students! Not bad. Still making the cost argument?

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Anonymous wrote:It's interesting to see the black lady beating up on white posters. What is sad is that Asian Americans who are most affected by this ruling is forgotten and ignored once again.

Forget Becky with bad grades, Asian Americans with excellent grades, scores, awards, ECs, leadership skills, sport etc. are getting denied admission to top schools due to soft quotas in place at the top universities for Asian Americans . Asian Americans have accomplished academic and non-academic accomplishments despite many of them (or their parents) being immigrants who had to overcome language and cultural obstacles in addition to the same racial discrimination. Blacks are not the only group experiencing discrimination. Asians have been forced into slave labor, sent to internment camps, had property confiscated, lynched, subject to Chinese Exclusion Act etc.

Hopefully, the legal actions against Harvard and UNC by Asian Americans can proceed now the SCOTUS case is over.

Don't forget, wherever Holistic admission system" is used without considering "race", blacks make up extremely small number which is very telling.

For example, TJ uses "Holistic Admission System" and places heavy emphasis on short essays (SIS) and longer essay (some would say to give preference to non-Asians) and the admission's office bends backwards to recruit and admit blacks and Hispanics but their numbers are typically around 1% and 3% respectively and not much better for Berkeley and UCLA for blacks (2-3%) while Hispanics do better (20-25%).

Amen.