Those opposed to "gay marriage" will you explain your position to me?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Research and children themselves support the supposition that children of gay people suffer mental health at higher rates then children of heterosexual unions.

Please provide evidence of this research.

It's useless to try and hold these people to empty liberal-biased constructs like "research" or "facts" or "reality".

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Research and children themselves support the supposition that children of gay people suffer mental health at higher rates then children of heterosexual unions.

Please provide evidence of this research.

Please read the following by Heather Barwick: http://thefederalist.com/2015/03/17/dear-gay-community-your-kids-are-hurting/

She sums things up well

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:NP: please can any of those of you who are using the bible to justify your opposition to gay marriage please address the question raised by other posters about some of the other things that the bible says which are not common practice these days like taking multiple wives or marrying someone you have raped to eradicate the sin?

How is it possible to selectively pick which bits of the bible we must obey to the letter? And if that really is ok to pick and choose, can you explain why you choose to accept the language on marriage only being between the sexes?

It's just that it strikes me that some people are hiding behind religion to justify bigoted ideas. If this is wrong, can you explain why to me please?

Why are none of the people citing religion to explain their opposition answering this question? Could someone to so please?

Still interested in an answer to this please. Or else I will assume that, you know, actually you just use the religion excuse selectively because it helps justify your bigoted beliefs.

it seems to me that you're using an argument that says "there's other bad stuff in the Bible" so this should be okay. Why would items you perceive as objectionable in the Bible make homosexuality okay? It doesn't. Scripture is absolutely clear about the abomination of homosexuality. I'm sure some murderers would say murder must be okay because the Bible okays rape. Sorry, murder is not okay. Just to clear the Bible does not okay rape. Non-believers who provide their interpretation don't do it in context. You have to have the proper frame of mind and be true in heart and fidelity. Progressive nihilists with axes to grind with their existence are neither. They want a world where they are at the center. Oh, the unhappiness they are bound to have. Indulging in homosexuality and promiscuity always leads to emptiness.

NP here. I think the PP was trying to get someone to discuss why they pick out some rules from the Bible to follow but not others. If you eat pork, why do you think that's okay when the Bible clearly says it isn't okay to eat pigs?

See, here's the thing: rape and murder are about violence towards another human being. So even if the Bible didn't say a single word about them, they would be wrong. Gay marriage is about two human beings who willingly promise to love each other. I see no one else hurt by two men or two women choosing to live out their lives together as a couple. And if you say God is hurt, well, that is your belief and you are free not to marry someone of the same sex. But this country is not a theocracy. I don't believe in your God and you can't force me to live by your God's rules.

We don't prohibit people from eating pigs because the Bible says it is wrong and offends God. Nor do we outlaw cursing using God's name, or not going to church/temple every week, or depicting God in paintings or drawings, or even adultery just because they're forbidden in the 10 commandments.

In fact, I'd say if you are going to forbid gay marriage based on your biblical beliefs, then you'd better outlaw divorce and lock up any married person who has an affair. Are you prepared to do that? If not, please explain why.

[Anonymous]

That is one persons opinion, one person, not a study or research. Her Father could have stayed in her life but he chose not too. Her Father leaving is the reason she wrote this. Had he been a good person he would have stuck around, been there for her as well as her Mom and her Moms partner.
Her sadness has nothing to do with gay marriage although it may be in her mind.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Research and children themselves support the supposition that children of gay people suffer mental health at higher rates then children of heterosexual unions.

Please provide evidence of this research.

Please read the following by Heather Barwick: http://thefederalist.com/2015/03/17/dear-gay-community-your-kids-are-hurting/

She sums things up well

Lord, have you actually read a thing about her? She's upset because her straight father abandoned her. If her mother had stayed single she would've been in exactly the same situation. She's one screwed up lady, but it's not because of her moms.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I am against gay marriage in part because I believe it elevates validating a romantic relationship between adults over the best interests of children. I believe it is best for children to have a mother and a father. I am surprised at how little commentary there is about how gay marriage devalues motherhood and fatherhood.

Conservatives already did that in the 90s. But then it turned out that gays did fine as parents.

no such thing. Research and children themselves support the supposition that children of gay people suffer mental health at higher rates then children of heterosexual unions. In the face of that people are still willing to sacrifice the health and welfare of kids for their own selfish needs. Pure egocentrism at its worse.

Recent research also has suggested that adopted children in general are more likely to need mental health services than non-adopted children. Does this mean you'd like to ban adoption?


http://www.psychiatrictimes.com/articles/adoption-and-mental-illness

http://www.cnn.com/2010/HEALTH/04/13/children.adoption.mental.health/

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:NP: please can any of those of you who are using the bible to justify your opposition to gay marriage please address the question raised by other posters about some of the other things that the bible says which are not common practice these days like taking multiple wives or marrying someone you have raped to eradicate the sin?

How is it possible to selectively pick which bits of the bible we must obey to the letter? And if that really is ok to pick and choose, can you explain why you choose to accept the language on marriage only being between the sexes?

It's just that it strikes me that some people are hiding behind religion to justify bigoted ideas. If this is wrong, can you explain why to me please?

Why are none of the people citing religion to explain their opposition answering this question? Could someone to so please?

Still interested in an answer to this please. Or else I will assume that, you know, actually you just use the religion excuse selectively because it helps justify your bigoted beliefs.

it seems to me that you're using an argument that says "there's other bad stuff in the Bible" so this should be okay. Why would items you perceive as objectionable in the Bible make homosexuality okay? It doesn't. Scripture is absolutely clear about the abomination of homosexuality. I'm sure some murderers would say murder must be okay because the Bible okays rape. Sorry, murder is not okay. Just to clear the Bible does not okay rape. Non-believers who provide their interpretation don't do it in context. You have to have the proper frame of mind and be true in heart and fidelity. Progressive nihilists with axes to grind with their existence are neither. They want a world where they are at the center. Oh, the unhappiness they are bound to have. Indulging in homosexuality and promiscuity always leads to emptiness.

NP here. I think the PP was trying to get someone to discuss why they pick out some rules from the Bible to follow but not others. If you eat pork, why do you think that's okay when the Bible clearly says it isn't okay to eat pigs?

See, here's the thing: rape and murder are about violence towards another human being. So even if the Bible didn't say a single word about them, they would be wrong. Gay marriage is about two human beings who willingly promise to love each other. I see no one else hurt by two men or two women choosing to live out their lives together as a couple. And if you say God is hurt, well, that is your belief and you are free not to marry someone of the same sex. But this country is not a theocracy. I don't believe in your God and you can't force me to live by your God's rules.

We don't prohibit people from eating pigs because the Bible says it is wrong and offends God. Nor do we outlaw cursing using God's name, or not going to church/temple every week, or depicting God in paintings or drawings, or even adultery just because they're forbidden in the 10 commandments.

In fact, I'd say if you are going to forbid gay marriage based on your biblical beliefs, then you'd better outlaw divorce and lock up any married person who has an affair. Are you prepared to do that? If not, please explain why.

I am the original PP you quoted and test that is exactly what I was getting at. If it is ok to discard something the bible says (wearing mixed fabrics, eating pork etc), then why are you choosing to adhere to what it says on homosexuality. As it happens, I am a Christian. But the god that I believe in is a loving and kind god not one who hates and encourages others to hate.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Research and children themselves support the supposition that children of gay people suffer mental health at higher rates then children of heterosexual unions.

Please provide evidence of this research.

Please read the following by Heather Barwick: http://thefederalist.com/2015/03/17/dear-gay-community-your-kids-are-hurting/

She sums things up well

Jesus effing Christ, I ask for research and you provide ONE PERSON'S OPINION? What the hell is wrong with you?

[Anonymous]

Wait, wait, we're allowed to use one person alone as evidence?

Then I want to throw in that kid from Iowa who did that awesome viral speech as evidence that homosexual parents raise phenomenal children.

[Anonymous]

Because gays are the ultimate narcissists, informing them that they're hurting children is unlikely to sway them. They can't be helped. Just pray for their children. God will handle the rest.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Wait, wait, we're allowed to use one person alone as evidence?

Then I want to throw in that kid from Iowa who did that awesome viral speech as evidence that homosexual parents raise phenomenal children.

Gosh yes! Zach Wahls > Heather Barwick any day.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Because gays are the ultimate narcissists, informing them that they're hurting children is unlikely to sway them. They can't be helped. Just pray for their children. God will handle the rest.

Okay! Why don't you let God handle it, then, and leave us alone and let us live our lives and protect our families? Thanks!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:"The Position"

unnatural. some might say, perverse. the anatomy doesn't match up.

OP again:
Well if you have any type of sex other than penis in vagina with the express purpose of conceiving technically unnatural, in some religions (including mine) its also technically a sin. Welcome to being a human being.

So if you have never ever had oral, anal or hand sex in any way and only ever have ejaculated into a vagina or had your vagina ejaculated into with the express purpose of conceiving, then okay, you can say gays can't get married. I'll concede.

I haven't read 20+ pages here. As far as I know Catholicism is the only religion that requires sex be only for procreation. My religion allows sex between married heterosexuals for any reason.

[Anonymous]

This article also helps us to understand the exploitation of children in same-sex couples:‘Quartet of Truth’: Adult children of gay parents testify against same-sex ‘marriage’ at 5th Circuit

Kirsten Andersen Follow Kirsten

Again, gay people are inherently selfish and prioritize their sexuality above all else, so they're likely to discount further testimony by adults who were damaged by being objectified in same-sex couples.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Because gays are the ultimate narcissists, informing them that they're hurting children is unlikely to sway them. They can't be helped. Just pray for their children. God will handle the rest.

Okay! Why don't you let God handle it, then, and leave us alone and let us live our lives and protect our families? Thanks!

you don't have a family. You're damaged goods with the illusion of family in a more and more base culture. I feel bad for you and even worse for your children. May God protect them. Their only true father is Jesus, not you. Cursed is the day you became a parent. But, don't worry. Every dog has their day. When your adult children come forth to confront you for stealing a normal life from them, you'll get yours. What they'll probably do is just walk away from you. Narcissists can't be changed. Children of gay parents always figure this out the hard way.