Those opposed to "gay marriage" will you explain your position to me?

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Research and children themselves support the supposition that children of gay people suffer mental health at higher rates then children of heterosexual unions.

Please provide evidence of this research.

Please read the following by Heather Barwick: http://thefederalist.com/2015/03/17/dear-gay-community-your-kids-are-hurting/

She sums things up well

So- you give me a right-wing website with an op-Ed by one person- and I give you the American Academy of Pediatrics.? Totally the same. A peer reviewed study and an op-Ed.

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Anonymous wrote:This article also helps us to understand the exploitation of children in same-sex couples:‘Quartet of Truth’: Adult children of gay parents testify against same-sex ‘marriage’ at 5th Circuit

Kirsten Andersen Follow Kirsten

Again, gay people are inherently selfish and prioritize their sexuality above all else, so they're likely to discount further testimony by adults who were damaged by being objectified in same-sex couples.

Oh for the love of Buddah. That is completely RIDICULOUS! Out of all my gay friends, there's not a single one I would describe as selfish. Where do you pick that up from?

And what does that even mean to prioritize your sexuality? Does that mean you suppress yours? How does one even prioritize his/her sexuality?

By the way, anyone who knows anything about lesbians know that in general those in committed relationships have less sex than any other type of couples -- there's even a term for it!! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lesbian_bed_death

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Yeah. I'm out. I'm not up to debating the validity of my family any more today.

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Research and children themselves support the supposition that children of gay people suffer mental health at higher rates then children of heterosexual unions.

Please provide evidence of this research.

I imagine she's referring to the Regnerus study, the gold standard, the very best (and, in fact, only) evidence they have.

"...the American Medical Association cited the study's poor methodology to explain why "the Regnerus study sheds no light on the parenting of stable, committed same-sex couples – as Regnerus himself acknowledges," and reaffirmed that "the conclusions by the leading associations of experts in this area reflect a consensus that children raised by lesbian or gay parents do not differ in any important respects from those raised by heterosexual parents."[31]"
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Witherspoon_Institute#Regnerus_study


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Here's one study about gay marriage/kids.

http://www.thepublicdiscourse.com/2012/06/5640/

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And a second:

http://www.drtraycehansen.com/Pages/writings_notinthebest.html


For those that asked for research

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Anonymous wrote:Research and children themselves support the supposition that children of gay people suffer mental health at higher rates then children of heterosexual unions.

I don't know many children of gay families who support the fantasy that children of gay people suffer mental health at higher rates than children of heterosexual unions. Please provide evidence that you didn't just make this up out of your bigoted imagination.

I give you these alternate views:

"Because the sexual orientation of my parents has had zero effect on the content of my character."

Headline: Children of Gay Parents Are Happier and Healthier Than Their Peers, New Study Finds
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_GtZYZWPoT0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JG0yqhzVuYA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MJnkp6D3j7c

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Anonymous wrote:Because gays are the ultimate narcissists, informing them that they're hurting children is unlikely to sway them. They can't be helped. Just pray for their children. God will handle the rest.

Okay! Why don't you let God handle it, then, and leave us alone and let us live our lives and protect our families? Thanks!

you don't have a family. You're damaged goods with the illusion of family in a more and more base culture. I feel bad for you and even worse for your children. May God protect them. Their only true father is Jesus, not you. Cursed is the day you became a parent. But, don't worry. Every dog has their day. When your adult children come forth to confront you for stealing a normal life from them, you'll get yours. What they'll probably do is just walk away from you. Narcissists can't be changed. Children of gay parents always figure this out the hard way.

May God forgive you for your cruelty and callousness. You will have to answer to Him for your treatment of your fellow human being. Jesus came to teach love, not this kind of hateful vitriol. You are no better than the Westboro Baptist Church.

Whose families would Jesus anonymously attack on a message board?
What loving parent would Jesus lay a curse upon?

May your eyes and your heart be opened. You don't get to claim Jesus as the sponsor of your hate.

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Anonymous wrote:Because gays are the ultimate narcissists, informing them that they're hurting children is unlikely to sway them. They can't be helped. Just pray for their children. God will handle the rest.

Okay! Why don't you let God handle it, then, and leave us alone and let us live our lives and protect our families? Thanks!

you don't have a family. You're damaged goods with the illusion of family in a more and more base culture. I feel bad for you and even worse for your children. May God protect them. Their only true father is Jesus, not you. Cursed is the day you became a parent. But, don't worry. Every dog has their day. When your adult children come forth to confront you for stealing a normal life from them, you'll get yours. What they'll probably do is just walk away from you. Narcissists can't be changed. Children of gay parents always figure this out the hard way.

You are really cruel, PP. Would you say this to someone's face? I have several gay coworkers. As far as I know none of them are married or have kids, but they are all lovely people. I can't even imagine saying something like this to them even if I believed it (which I don't).

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Anonymous wrote:NP: please can any of those of you who are using the bible to justify your opposition to gay marriage please address the question raised by other posters about some of the other things that the bible says which are not common practice these days like taking multiple wives or marrying someone you have raped to eradicate the sin?

How is it possible to selectively pick which bits of the bible we must obey to the letter? And if that really is ok to pick and choose, can you explain why you choose to accept the language on marriage only being between the sexes?

It's just that it strikes me that some people are hiding behind religion to justify bigoted ideas. If this is wrong, can you explain why to me please?

Why are none of the people citing religion to explain their opposition answering this question? Could someone to so please?

Still interested in an answer to this please. Or else I will assume that, you know, actually you just use the religion excuse selectively because it helps justify your bigoted beliefs.

it seems to me that you're using an argument that says "there's other bad stuff in the Bible" so this should be okay. Why would items you perceive as objectionable in the Bible make homosexuality okay? It doesn't. Scripture is absolutely clear about the abomination of homosexuality. I'm sure some murderers would say murder must be okay because the Bible okays rape. Sorry, murder is not okay. Just to clear the Bible does not okay rape. Non-believers who provide their interpretation don't do it in context. You have to have the proper frame of mind and be true in heart and fidelity. Progressive nihilists with axes to grind with their existence are neither. They want a world where they are at the center. Oh, the unhappiness they are bound to have. Indulging in homosexuality and promiscuity always leads to emptiness.

NP here. I think the PP was trying to get someone to discuss why they pick out some rules from the Bible to follow but not others. If you eat pork, why do you think that's okay when the Bible clearly says it isn't okay to eat pigs?

See, here's the thing: rape and murder are about violence towards another human being. So even if the Bible didn't say a single word about them, they would be wrong. Gay marriage is about two human beings who willingly promise to love each other. I see no one else hurt by two men or two women choosing to live out their lives together as a couple. And if you say God is hurt, well, that is your belief and you are free not to marry someone of the same sex. But this country is not a theocracy. I don't believe in your God and you can't force me to live by your God's rules.

We don't prohibit people from eating pigs because the Bible says it is wrong and offends God. Nor do we outlaw cursing using God's name, or not going to church/temple every week, or depicting God in paintings or drawings, or even adultery just because they're forbidden in the 10 commandments.

In fact, I'd say if you are going to forbid gay marriage based on your biblical beliefs, then you'd better outlaw divorce and lock up any married person who has an affair. Are you prepared to do that? If not, please explain why.

I am the original PP you quoted and test that is exactly what I was getting at. If it is ok to discard something the bible says (wearing mixed fabrics, eating pork etc), then why are you choosing to adhere to what it says on homosexuality. As it happens, I am a Christian. But the god that I believe in is a loving and kind god not one who hates and encourages others to hate.

I am not the original PP and, in fact, am not even Christian. But I'll bite, sort of -- I don't think that it's so wrong to discard some things the Bible says and not others. As an example in my own life, we are Jewish but my family doesn't keep kosher, nor do we refrain from all work on Shabbat (the Sabbath). However, we do attend synagogue regularly, fast on Yom Kippur, keep the Passover eating requirements strictly, and otherwise consider ourselves Jews. I don't consider it silly to fast on Yom Kippur just because I don't keep kosher. Different aspects of religion, and different rules, speak to different people.

So I do understand the viewpoint that some people believe their religion prohibits gay marriage. (That's really the only justifiable prohibition I can think of.) However, I disagree with their attempts to impose their views on others, especially others who don't share their religion. And especially in our country where marriage is a social contract legitimized by the government, with special advantages conferred by the government. If you don't need to be religious to get married -- and you don't -- then we have no business defining marriage in religious terms.

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Anonymous wrote:Because gays are the ultimate narcissists, informing them that they're hurting children is unlikely to sway them. They can't be helped. Just pray for their children. God will handle the rest.

Okay! Why don't you let God handle it, then, and leave us alone and let us live our lives and protect our families? Thanks!

you don't have a family. You're damaged goods with the illusion of family in a more and more base culture. I feel bad for you and even worse for your children. May God protect them. Their only true father is Jesus, not you. Cursed is the day you became a parent. But, don't worry. Every dog has their day. When your adult children come forth to confront you for stealing a normal life from them, you'll get yours. What they'll probably do is just walk away from you. Narcissists can't be changed. Children of gay parents always figure this out the hard way.

Sending you Matthew 23.

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Ok, people, how about some real life experience? This is what my kid told me about her New England camp. There was a boy there from Manhattan, enrolled in one of the most progressive private schools. My kid reported that every single day he went around shouting to everyone that he had two daddies.

My poor kid couldn't understand what the big deal was, or what his problem was.

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wow, a sample of one. You people would never make it in polling or statistics.

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Anonymous wrote:Ok, people, how about some real life experience? This is what my kid told me about her New England camp. There was a boy there from Manhattan, enrolled in one of the most progressive private schools. My kid reported that every single day he went around shouting to everyone that he had two daddies.

My poor kid couldn't understand what the big deal was, or what his problem was.

I totally can't figure out what the point of this anecdote is. 50-50 between "children of gays are screwed up" and "kids today understand it's no big deal".

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Anonymous wrote:Ok, people, how about some real life experience? This is what my kid told me about her New England camp. There was a boy there from Manhattan, enrolled in one of the most progressive private schools. My kid reported that every single day he went around shouting to everyone that he had two daddies.

My poor kid couldn't understand what the big deal was, or what his problem was.

Offhand I'd say that the children in his neighborhood have made a big deal about this.