Mayim Bialik's horrific experience on GLP-1's

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Anonymous wrote:The thing is, most of the research coming out now that more and more people are on GLP-1s is showing a myriad of benefits - sleep apnea reduction, lower cancer rates, significant benefits in those with addiction, and more. You can’t just discount the emerging science.

And for those who say “well those benefits are just the benefits of weight loss in general”, sure. But a) there is growing evidence some of these benefits are independent of the amount of weight lost and b) a lot of people on these meds would never have lost a significant amount of weight on their own (whether bc they have an underlying issue or just couldn’t sustain weight loss efforts, it is irrelevant). So we demonize the medication that will give them health and longevity bc…why? We don’t judge people for taking meds for any disease besides obesity. Make it make sense.

I can actually understand why some people "demonize" GLP-1s. I imagine these are people who had to work hard their whole lives to maintain their weight. They always said no to cake. They got up early to workout. They went out jogging when they'd rather be on the couch scrolling their phone. They have deprived themselves. And now they see others get the same result without lifting a finger.

Imagine you've studied hard all semester. You didn't go out on your Friday nights, you turned off the TV, you studied. At the final, another kid, who didn't even show up to class, swallows a magic pill before class which makes him super smart and he scores even higher than you. Wouldn't you feel... I dunno... frustrated? Jealous?

We as a society have been told our whole lives that there's no shortcuts. You have to put in the hard work, develop discipline. GLP-1s are turning that on its head. And yes, the formal line is that GLP-1s are supposed to be taken in conjunction with lifestyle changes, a healthy diet and strength training. But in reality? This is America baby. Have you seen our population? A LOT of GLP-1 users (none on here, obviously - I'm talking about Billy Bob down in rural Arkansas) are making zero lifestyle changes. There are pre diabetic people who are actually TRYING to push their body into diabetes so they can get the drug covered by insurance. 10 years ago, when their A1C came back at 5.8, they'd cut back on the cake and ice cream. Today, they're like, bring me the Big Gulp, I need to hit 6.0 or higher so I can get that drug, keep doing my thing and look like Kate Moss.

You’re proving my point though. You’re saying the only people who “deserve” health are the ones who sacrificed for it. What other disease do we do this for? This line of reasoning also discounts those who do the “right” things but are unable to lose significant weight. I know everyone wants to blame the fat people for their slovenliness, but obesity is COMPLEX. I know you don’t want to accept that, but it’s a fact. If you trust science in other arenas of health, you have to here too.

ALSO, for most people weight does not just fall off on these meds. You have to eat protein, hydrate, lift weights, and have frequent check-ins with your doctor. I know you also don’t want to believe this.

DP. Some of you really want to hold on to that jealousy of thinness fantasy don't you? If it were about health, you would know that the person who got up early to workout, went running instead of scrolling, and passed on cake is healthier than the person who didn't but is now thin without having done all those things. You folks give yourself when think the person with discipline is upset. By the way, a well-exercised, well-fed body always looks better than one who by passes those things. Always.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The thing is, most of the research coming out now that more and more people are on GLP-1s is showing a myriad of benefits - sleep apnea reduction, lower cancer rates, significant benefits in those with addiction, and more. You can’t just discount the emerging science.

And for those who say “well those benefits are just the benefits of weight loss in general”, sure. But a) there is growing evidence some of these benefits are independent of the amount of weight lost and b) a lot of people on these meds would never have lost a significant amount of weight on their own (whether bc they have an underlying issue or just couldn’t sustain weight loss efforts, it is irrelevant). So we demonize the medication that will give them health and longevity bc…why? We don’t judge people for taking meds for any disease besides obesity. Make it make sense.

I can actually understand why some people "demonize" GLP-1s. I imagine these are people who had to work hard their whole lives to maintain their weight. They always said no to cake. They got up early to workout. They went out jogging when they'd rather be on the couch scrolling their phone. They have deprived themselves. And now they see others get the same result without lifting a finger.

Imagine you've studied hard all semester. You didn't go out on your Friday nights, you turned off the TV, you studied. At the final, another kid, who didn't even show up to class, swallows a magic pill before class which makes him super smart and he scores even higher than you. Wouldn't you feel... I dunno... frustrated? Jealous?

We as a society have been told our whole lives that there's no shortcuts. You have to put in the hard work, develop discipline. GLP-1s are turning that on its head. And yes, the formal line is that GLP-1s are supposed to be taken in conjunction with lifestyle changes, a healthy diet and strength training. But in reality? This is America baby. Have you seen our population? A LOT of GLP-1 users (none on here, obviously - I'm talking about Billy Bob down in rural Arkansas) are making zero lifestyle changes. There are pre diabetic people who are actually TRYING to push their body into diabetes so they can get the drug covered by insurance. 10 years ago, when their A1C came back at 5.8, they'd cut back on the cake and ice cream. Today, they're like, bring me the Big Gulp, I need to hit 6.0 or higher so I can get that drug, keep doing my thing and look like Kate Moss.

You’re proving my point though. You’re saying the only people who “deserve” health are the ones who sacrificed for it. What other disease do we do this for? This line of reasoning also discounts those who do the “right” things but are unable to lose significant weight. I know everyone wants to blame the fat people for their slovenliness, but obesity is COMPLEX. I know you don’t want to accept that, but it’s a fact. If you trust science in other arenas of health, you have to here too.

ALSO, for most people weight does not just fall off on these meds. You have to eat protein, hydrate, lift weights, and have frequent check-ins with your doctor. I know you also don’t want to believe this.

DP. Some of you really want to hold on to that jealousy of thinness fantasy don't you? If it were about health, you would know that the person who got up early to workout, went running instead of scrolling, and passed on cake is healthier than the person who didn't but is now thin without having done all those things. You folks give yourself when think the person with discipline is upset. By the way, a well-exercised, well-fed body always looks better than one who by passes those things. Always.

Huh? Also bypass is one word.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The thing is, most of the research coming out now that more and more people are on GLP-1s is showing a myriad of benefits - sleep apnea reduction, lower cancer rates, significant benefits in those with addiction, and more. You can’t just discount the emerging science.

And for those who say “well those benefits are just the benefits of weight loss in general”, sure. But a) there is growing evidence some of these benefits are independent of the amount of weight lost and b) a lot of people on these meds would never have lost a significant amount of weight on their own (whether bc they have an underlying issue or just couldn’t sustain weight loss efforts, it is irrelevant). So we demonize the medication that will give them health and longevity bc…why? We don’t judge people for taking meds for any disease besides obesity. Make it make sense.

I can actually understand why some people "demonize" GLP-1s. I imagine these are people who had to work hard their whole lives to maintain their weight. They always said no to cake. They got up early to workout. They went out jogging when they'd rather be on the couch scrolling their phone. They have deprived themselves. And now they see others get the same result without lifting a finger.

Imagine you've studied hard all semester. You didn't go out on your Friday nights, you turned off the TV, you studied. At the final, another kid, who didn't even show up to class, swallows a magic pill before class which makes him super smart and he scores even higher than you. Wouldn't you feel... I dunno... frustrated? Jealous?

We as a society have been told our whole lives that there's no shortcuts. You have to put in the hard work, develop discipline. GLP-1s are turning that on its head. And yes, the formal line is that GLP-1s are supposed to be taken in conjunction with lifestyle changes, a healthy diet and strength training. But in reality? This is America baby. Have you seen our population? A LOT of GLP-1 users (none on here, obviously - I'm talking about Billy Bob down in rural Arkansas) are making zero lifestyle changes. There are pre diabetic people who are actually TRYING to push their body into diabetes so they can get the drug covered by insurance. 10 years ago, when their A1C came back at 5.8, they'd cut back on the cake and ice cream. Today, they're like, bring me the Big Gulp, I need to hit 6.0 or higher so I can get that drug, keep doing my thing and look like Kate Moss.

You’re proving my point though. You’re saying the only people who “deserve” health are the ones who sacrificed for it. What other disease do we do this for? This line of reasoning also discounts those who do the “right” things but are unable to lose significant weight. I know everyone wants to blame the fat people for their slovenliness, but obesity is COMPLEX. I know you don’t want to accept that, but it’s a fact. If you trust science in other arenas of health, you have to here too.

ALSO, for most people weight does not just fall off on these meds. You have to eat protein, hydrate, lift weights, and have frequent check-ins with your doctor. I know you also don’t want to believe this.

DP. Some of you really want to hold on to that jealousy of thinness fantasy don't you? If it were about health, you would know that the person who got up early to workout, went running instead of scrolling, and passed on cake is healthier than the person who didn't but is now thin without having done all those things. You folks give yourself when think the person with discipline is upset. By the way, a well-exercised, well-fed body always looks better than one who by passes those things. Always.

Huh? Also bypass is one word.

You give yourself *away* as someone who doesn’t understand or care about actual health.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The thing is, most of the research coming out now that more and more people are on GLP-1s is showing a myriad of benefits - sleep apnea reduction, lower cancer rates, significant benefits in those with addiction, and more. You can’t just discount the emerging science.

And for those who say “well those benefits are just the benefits of weight loss in general”, sure. But a) there is growing evidence some of these benefits are independent of the amount of weight lost and b) a lot of people on these meds would never have lost a significant amount of weight on their own (whether bc they have an underlying issue or just couldn’t sustain weight loss efforts, it is irrelevant). So we demonize the medication that will give them health and longevity bc…why? We don’t judge people for taking meds for any disease besides obesity. Make it make sense.

I can actually understand why some people "demonize" GLP-1s. I imagine these are people who had to work hard their whole lives to maintain their weight. They always said no to cake. They got up early to workout. They went out jogging when they'd rather be on the couch scrolling their phone. They have deprived themselves. And now they see others get the same result without lifting a finger.

Imagine you've studied hard all semester. You didn't go out on your Friday nights, you turned off the TV, you studied. At the final, another kid, who didn't even show up to class, swallows a magic pill before class which makes him super smart and he scores even higher than you. Wouldn't you feel... I dunno... frustrated? Jealous?

We as a society have been told our whole lives that there's no shortcuts. You have to put in the hard work, develop discipline. GLP-1s are turning that on its head. And yes, the formal line is that GLP-1s are supposed to be taken in conjunction with lifestyle changes, a healthy diet and strength training. But in reality? This is America baby. Have you seen our population? A LOT of GLP-1 users (none on here, obviously - I'm talking about Billy Bob down in rural Arkansas) are making zero lifestyle changes. There are pre diabetic people who are actually TRYING to push their body into diabetes so they can get the drug covered by insurance. 10 years ago, when their A1C came back at 5.8, they'd cut back on the cake and ice cream. Today, they're like, bring me the Big Gulp, I need to hit 6.0 or higher so I can get that drug, keep doing my thing and look like Kate Moss.

You’re proving my point though. You’re saying the only people who “deserve” health are the ones who sacrificed for it. What other disease do we do this for? This line of reasoning also discounts those who do the “right” things but are unable to lose significant weight. I know everyone wants to blame the fat people for their slovenliness, but obesity is COMPLEX. I know you don’t want to accept that, but it’s a fact. If you trust science in other arenas of health, you have to here too.

ALSO, for most people weight does not just fall off on these meds. You have to eat protein, hydrate, lift weights, and have frequent check-ins with your doctor. I know you also don’t want to believe this.

I'm the PP you are responding to. My bad, I should've said "DP" in my previous post! I think you think I am someone else on this thread. I've only posted once (I'm the cancer survivor). I really don't have any hate toward anyone on a GLP-1 - seriously. I'm closely following the GLP-1 discussion for its potential to lower risk of cancer / cancer recurrence. (But I recognize we are years away, if ever, before a GLP-1 would be standard of care in oncology). I can actually relate to what you are saying - although I've never struggled with my weight, I was diagnosed with an aggressive cancer at age 40. Even though no one would ever say this to me, I felt like people judging me... like they were thinking I must've been super unhealthy to get cancer at 40, and that it would never happen to * them * because they live a healthy lifestyle. And guess what - I was just as healthy as anyone else when I was diagnosed. This was bad luck, bad genes, just like a lot of obese folks just have bad genes / bad metabolism. So I get what you are saying. I was just trying to explain where I think the GLP-1 haters are coming from.

I only know a few people on these drugs but they are rural extended family members, not DCUMers. But no, they are definitely not eating protein and doing weights. They are losing weight truly without lifting a finger. That doesn't upset me or anything (I'm glad they are on the drugs bc it's a heck of a lot healthier than they were before) but surely if I was working really hard to maintain a certain weight, it would make me feel... something.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The thing is, most of the research coming out now that more and more people are on GLP-1s is showing a myriad of benefits - sleep apnea reduction, lower cancer rates, significant benefits in those with addiction, and more. You can’t just discount the emerging science.

And for those who say “well those benefits are just the benefits of weight loss in general”, sure. But a) there is growing evidence some of these benefits are independent of the amount of weight lost and b) a lot of people on these meds would never have lost a significant amount of weight on their own (whether bc they have an underlying issue or just couldn’t sustain weight loss efforts, it is irrelevant). So we demonize the medication that will give them health and longevity bc…why? We don’t judge people for taking meds for any disease besides obesity. Make it make sense.

This is the research I would live to understand. Why is this synthetic hormone having these independent of weight benefits? And how did we get to a place that so many people need weight/diabetes meds? I just want research of these questions along side pharma showing positive results.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The thing is, most of the research coming out now that more and more people are on GLP-1s is showing a myriad of benefits - sleep apnea reduction, lower cancer rates, significant benefits in those with addiction, and more. You can’t just discount the emerging science.

And for those who say “well those benefits are just the benefits of weight loss in general”, sure. But a) there is growing evidence some of these benefits are independent of the amount of weight lost and b) a lot of people on these meds would never have lost a significant amount of weight on their own (whether bc they have an underlying issue or just couldn’t sustain weight loss efforts, it is irrelevant). So we demonize the medication that will give them health and longevity bc…why? We don’t judge people for taking meds for any disease besides obesity. Make it make sense.

This is the research I would live to understand. Why is this synthetic hormone having these independent of weight benefits? And how did we get to a place that so many people need weight/diabetes meds? I just want research of these questions along side pharma showing positive results.

Fat-free foods were a mistake.

https://hsph.harvard.edu/news/low-fat-diets-failed-experiment/

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The thing is, most of the research coming out now that more and more people are on GLP-1s is showing a myriad of benefits - sleep apnea reduction, lower cancer rates, significant benefits in those with addiction, and more. You can’t just discount the emerging science.

And for those who say “well those benefits are just the benefits of weight loss in general”, sure. But a) there is growing evidence some of these benefits are independent of the amount of weight lost and b) a lot of people on these meds would never have lost a significant amount of weight on their own (whether bc they have an underlying issue or just couldn’t sustain weight loss efforts, it is irrelevant). So we demonize the medication that will give them health and longevity bc…why? We don’t judge people for taking meds for any disease besides obesity. Make it make sense.

This is the research I would live to understand. Why is this synthetic hormone having these independent of weight benefits? And how did we get to a place that so many people need weight/diabetes meds? I just want research of these questions along side pharma showing positive results.

Fat-free foods were a mistake.

https://hsph.harvard.edu/news/low-fat-diets-failed-experiment/

This is why there is so much skepticism in this area. Eat this, don't eat that, then the advice flip flops years later. People are suspicious about anything new because the advice is constantly changing.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The thing is, most of the research coming out now that more and more people are on GLP-1s is showing a myriad of benefits - sleep apnea reduction, lower cancer rates, significant benefits in those with addiction, and more. You can’t just discount the emerging science.

And for those who say “well those benefits are just the benefits of weight loss in general”, sure. But a) there is growing evidence some of these benefits are independent of the amount of weight lost and b) a lot of people on these meds would never have lost a significant amount of weight on their own (whether bc they have an underlying issue or just couldn’t sustain weight loss efforts, it is irrelevant). So we demonize the medication that will give them health and longevity bc…why? We don’t judge people for taking meds for any disease besides obesity. Make it make sense.

I can actually understand why some people "demonize" GLP-1s. I imagine these are people who had to work hard their whole lives to maintain their weight. They always said no to cake. They got up early to workout. They went out jogging when they'd rather be on the couch scrolling their phone. They have deprived themselves. And now they see others get the same result without lifting a finger.

Imagine you've studied hard all semester. You didn't go out on your Friday nights, you turned off the TV, you studied. At the final, another kid, who didn't even show up to class, swallows a magic pill before class which makes him super smart and he scores even higher than you. Wouldn't you feel... I dunno... frustrated? Jealous?

We as a society have been told our whole lives that there's no shortcuts. You have to put in the hard work, develop discipline. GLP-1s are turning that on its head. And yes, the formal line is that GLP-1s are supposed to be taken in conjunction with lifestyle changes, a healthy diet and strength training. But in reality? This is America baby. Have you seen our population? A LOT of GLP-1 users (none on here, obviously - I'm talking about Billy Bob down in rural Arkansas) are making zero lifestyle changes. There are pre diabetic people who are actually TRYING to push their body into diabetes so they can get the drug covered by insurance. 10 years ago, when their A1C came back at 5.8, they'd cut back on the cake and ice cream. Today, they're like, bring me the Big Gulp, I need to hit 6.0 or higher so I can get that drug, keep doing my thing and look like Kate Moss.

You’re proving my point though. You’re saying the only people who “deserve” health are the ones who sacrificed for it. What other disease do we do this for? This line of reasoning also discounts those who do the “right” things but are unable to lose significant weight. I know everyone wants to blame the fat people for their slovenliness, but obesity is COMPLEX. I know you don’t want to accept that, but it’s a fact. If you trust science in other arenas of health, you have to here too.

ALSO, for most people weight does not just fall off on these meds. You have to eat protein, hydrate, lift weights, and have frequent check-ins with your doctor. I know you also don’t want to believe this.

DP. Some of you really want to hold on to that jealousy of thinness fantasy don't you? If it were about health, you would know that the person who got up early to workout, went running instead of scrolling, and passed on cake is healthier than the person who didn't but is now thin without having done all those things. You folks give yourself when think the person with discipline is upset. By the way, a well-exercised, well-fed body always looks better than one who by passes those things. Always.

I am on a GLP1 and agree with this. I think that the people who did lots of work all their life, in combination with being blessed with good genes, are understandably jealous of people who did not do much work all of their life and now are becoming thin anyways. It's because our society views thinness with wealth, attractiveness, and self discipline and it drives certain people crazy that others without any of these 3 traits can now be thin too. I think the whole thing is dumb, but I understand the sentiment behind it. Women are told all their lives that being thin and attractive makes them better than other women. That is why women also have such a hard time with aging and cling to botox, face lifts, anti aging serums, fake tans, hair treatments, etc etc. Because they've been told that their worth is based on how they look. They feel superior when they do a better job at maintaining their looks than other women, and they feel REALLY superior when they're born with excellent genes that make this easier for them to do. It feels like a slap in the face when suddenly, the thing they thought made them special is attainable by pretty much anyone. They must be thinking, now what??

Again, the whole thing is sad and ridiculous, but there it is.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The thing is, most of the research coming out now that more and more people are on GLP-1s is showing a myriad of benefits - sleep apnea reduction, lower cancer rates, significant benefits in those with addiction, and more. You can’t just discount the emerging science.

And for those who say “well those benefits are just the benefits of weight loss in general”, sure. But a) there is growing evidence some of these benefits are independent of the amount of weight lost and b) a lot of people on these meds would never have lost a significant amount of weight on their own (whether bc they have an underlying issue or just couldn’t sustain weight loss efforts, it is irrelevant). So we demonize the medication that will give them health and longevity bc…why? We don’t judge people for taking meds for any disease besides obesity. Make it make sense.

I can actually understand why some people "demonize" GLP-1s. I imagine these are people who had to work hard their whole lives to maintain their weight. They always said no to cake. They got up early to workout. They went out jogging when they'd rather be on the couch scrolling their phone. They have deprived themselves. And now they see others get the same result without lifting a finger.

Imagine you've studied hard all semester. You didn't go out on your Friday nights, you turned off the TV, you studied. At the final, another kid, who didn't even show up to class, swallows a magic pill before class which makes him super smart and he scores even higher than you. Wouldn't you feel... I dunno... frustrated? Jealous?

We as a society have been told our whole lives that there's no shortcuts. You have to put in the hard work, develop discipline. GLP-1s are turning that on its head. And yes, the formal line is that GLP-1s are supposed to be taken in conjunction with lifestyle changes, a healthy diet and strength training. But in reality? This is America baby. Have you seen our population? A LOT of GLP-1 users (none on here, obviously - I'm talking about Billy Bob down in rural Arkansas) are making zero lifestyle changes. There are pre diabetic people who are actually TRYING to push their body into diabetes so they can get the drug covered by insurance. 10 years ago, when their A1C came back at 5.8, they'd cut back on the cake and ice cream. Today, they're like, bring me the Big Gulp, I need to hit 6.0 or higher so I can get that drug, keep doing my thing and look like Kate Moss.

You’re proving my point though. You’re saying the only people who “deserve” health are the ones who sacrificed for it. What other disease do we do this for? This line of reasoning also discounts those who do the “right” things but are unable to lose significant weight. I know everyone wants to blame the fat people for their slovenliness, but obesity is COMPLEX. I know you don’t want to accept that, but it’s a fact. If you trust science in other arenas of health, you have to here too.

ALSO, for most people weight does not just fall off on these meds. You have to eat protein, hydrate, lift weights, and have frequent check-ins with your doctor. I know you also don’t want to believe this.

DP. Some of you really want to hold on to that jealousy of thinness fantasy don't you? If it were about health, you would know that the person who got up early to workout, went running instead of scrolling, and passed on cake is healthier than the person who didn't but is now thin without having done all those things. You folks give yourself when think the person with discipline is upset. By the way, a well-exercised, well-fed body always looks better than one who by passes those things. Always.

I am on a GLP1 and agree with this. I think that the people who did lots of work all their life, in combination with being blessed with good genes, are understandably jealous of people who did not do much work all of their life and now are becoming thin anyways. It's because our society views thinness with wealth, attractiveness, and self discipline and it drives certain people crazy that others without any of these 3 traits can now be thin too. I think the whole thing is dumb, but I understand the sentiment behind it. Women are told all their lives that being thin and attractive makes them better than other women. That is why women also have such a hard time with aging and cling to botox, face lifts, anti aging serums, fake tans, hair treatments, etc etc. Because they've been told that their worth is based on how they look. They feel superior when they do a better job at maintaining their looks than other women, and they feel REALLY superior when they're born with excellent genes that make this easier for them to do. It feels like a slap in the face when suddenly, the thing they thought made them special is attainable by pretty much anyone. They must be thinking, now what??

Again, the whole thing is sad and ridiculous, but there it is.

+1. Imagine we didn’t judge people’s worth or morality based on what they weigh. That’s downright threatening to people who don’t have much to offer other than their thinness.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The thing is, most of the research coming out now that more and more people are on GLP-1s is showing a myriad of benefits - sleep apnea reduction, lower cancer rates, significant benefits in those with addiction, and more. You can’t just discount the emerging science.

And for those who say “well those benefits are just the benefits of weight loss in general”, sure. But a) there is growing evidence some of these benefits are independent of the amount of weight lost and b) a lot of people on these meds would never have lost a significant amount of weight on their own (whether bc they have an underlying issue or just couldn’t sustain weight loss efforts, it is irrelevant). So we demonize the medication that will give them health and longevity bc…why? We don’t judge people for taking meds for any disease besides obesity. Make it make sense.

I can actually understand why some people "demonize" GLP-1s. I imagine these are people who had to work hard their whole lives to maintain their weight. They always said no to cake. They got up early to workout. They went out jogging when they'd rather be on the couch scrolling their phone. They have deprived themselves. And now they see others get the same result without lifting a finger.

Imagine you've studied hard all semester. You didn't go out on your Friday nights, you turned off the TV, you studied. At the final, another kid, who didn't even show up to class, swallows a magic pill before class which makes him super smart and he scores even higher than you. Wouldn't you feel... I dunno... frustrated? Jealous?

We as a society have been told our whole lives that there's no shortcuts. You have to put in the hard work, develop discipline. GLP-1s are turning that on its head. And yes, the formal line is that GLP-1s are supposed to be taken in conjunction with lifestyle changes, a healthy diet and strength training. But in reality? This is America baby. Have you seen our population? A LOT of GLP-1 users (none on here, obviously - I'm talking about Billy Bob down in rural Arkansas) are making zero lifestyle changes. There are pre diabetic people who are actually TRYING to push their body into diabetes so they can get the drug covered by insurance. 10 years ago, when their A1C came back at 5.8, they'd cut back on the cake and ice cream. Today, they're like, bring me the Big Gulp, I need to hit 6.0 or higher so I can get that drug, keep doing my thing and look like Kate Moss.

You’re proving my point though. You’re saying the only people who “deserve” health are the ones who sacrificed for it. What other disease do we do this for? This line of reasoning also discounts those who do the “right” things but are unable to lose significant weight. I know everyone wants to blame the fat people for their slovenliness, but obesity is COMPLEX. I know you don’t want to accept that, but it’s a fact. If you trust science in other arenas of health, you have to here too.

ALSO, for most people weight does not just fall off on these meds. You have to eat protein, hydrate, lift weights, and have frequent check-ins with your doctor. I know you also don’t want to believe this.

DP. Some of you really want to hold on to that jealousy of thinness fantasy don't you? If it were about health, you would know that the person who got up early to workout, went running instead of scrolling, and passed on cake is healthier than the person who didn't but is now thin without having done all those things. You folks give yourself when think the person with discipline is upset. By the way, a well-exercised, well-fed body always looks better than one who by passes those things. Always.

I am on a GLP1 and agree with this. I think that the people who did lots of work all their life, in combination with being blessed with good genes, are understandably jealous of people who did not do much work all of their life and now are becoming thin anyways. It's because our society views thinness with wealth, attractiveness, and self discipline and it drives certain people crazy that others without any of these 3 traits can now be thin too. I think the whole thing is dumb, but I understand the sentiment behind it. Women are told all their lives that being thin and attractive makes them better than other women. That is why women also have such a hard time with aging and cling to botox, face lifts, anti aging serums, fake tans, hair treatments, etc etc. Because they've been told that their worth is based on how they look. They feel superior when they do a better job at maintaining their looks than other women, and they feel REALLY superior when they're born with excellent genes that make this easier for them to do. It feels like a slap in the face when suddenly, the thing they thought made them special is attainable by pretty much anyone. They must be thinking, now what??

Again, the whole thing is sad and ridiculous, but there it is.

+1. Imagine we didn’t judge people’s worth or morality based on what they weigh. That’s downright threatening to people who don’t have much to offer other than their thinness.

+2. Our obsession with thinness is leading to at least two absurd outcomes:

(1) non GLP-1 users are shaming people simply for using a medication meant to make them healthier. That’s really nuts.

(2) people are abusing GLP-1s (lying to their doctors to obtain the medication, dropping below a healthy weight into anorexia territory, etc.) because we are taught to value “thin” over “healthy”.

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Anonymous wrote:The thing is, most of the research coming out now that more and more people are on GLP-1s is showing a myriad of benefits - sleep apnea reduction, lower cancer rates, significant benefits in those with addiction, and more. You can’t just discount the emerging science.

And for those who say “well those benefits are just the benefits of weight loss in general”, sure. But a) there is growing evidence some of these benefits are independent of the amount of weight lost and b) a lot of people on these meds would never have lost a significant amount of weight on their own (whether bc they have an underlying issue or just couldn’t sustain weight loss efforts, it is irrelevant). So we demonize the medication that will give them health and longevity bc…why? We don’t judge people for taking meds for any disease besides obesity. Make it make sense.

I can actually understand why some people "demonize" GLP-1s. I imagine these are people who had to work hard their whole lives to maintain their weight. They always said no to cake. They got up early to workout. They went out jogging when they'd rather be on the couch scrolling their phone. They have deprived themselves. And now they see others get the same result without lifting a finger.

Imagine you've studied hard all semester. You didn't go out on your Friday nights, you turned off the TV, you studied. At the final, another kid, who didn't even show up to class, swallows a magic pill before class which makes him super smart and he scores even higher than you. Wouldn't you feel... I dunno... frustrated? Jealous?

We as a society have been told our whole lives that there's no shortcuts. You have to put in the hard work, develop discipline. GLP-1s are turning that on its head. And yes, the formal line is that GLP-1s are supposed to be taken in conjunction with lifestyle changes, a healthy diet and strength training. But in reality? This is America baby. Have you seen our population? A LOT of GLP-1 users (none on here, obviously - I'm talking about Billy Bob down in rural Arkansas) are making zero lifestyle changes. There are pre diabetic people who are actually TRYING to push their body into diabetes so they can get the drug covered by insurance. 10 years ago, when their A1C came back at 5.8, they'd cut back on the cake and ice cream. Today, they're like, bring me the Big Gulp, I need to hit 6.0 or higher so I can get that drug, keep doing my thing and look like Kate Moss.

You’re proving my point though. You’re saying the only people who “deserve” health are the ones who sacrificed for it. What other disease do we do this for? This line of reasoning also discounts those who do the “right” things but are unable to lose significant weight. I know everyone wants to blame the fat people for their slovenliness, but obesity is COMPLEX. I know you don’t want to accept that, but it’s a fact. If you trust science in other arenas of health, you have to here too.

ALSO, for most people weight does not just fall off on these meds. You have to eat protein, hydrate, lift weights, and have frequent check-ins with your doctor. I know you also don’t want to believe this.

DP. Some of you really want to hold on to that jealousy of thinness fantasy don't you? If it were about health, you would know that the person who got up early to workout, went running instead of scrolling, and passed on cake is healthier than the person who didn't but is now thin without having done all those things. You folks give yourself when think the person with discipline is upset. By the way, a well-exercised, well-fed body always looks better than one who by passes those things. Always.

I am on a GLP1 and agree with this. I think that the people who did lots of work all their life, in combination with being blessed with good genes, are understandably jealous of people who did not do much work all of their life and now are becoming thin anyways. It's because our society views thinness with wealth, attractiveness, and self discipline and it drives certain people crazy that others without any of these 3 traits can now be thin too. I think the whole thing is dumb, but I understand the sentiment behind it. Women are told all their lives that being thin and attractive makes them better than other women. That is why women also have such a hard time with aging and cling to botox, face lifts, anti aging serums, fake tans, hair treatments, etc etc. Because they've been told that their worth is based on how they look. They feel superior when they do a better job at maintaining their looks than other women, and they feel REALLY superior when they're born with excellent genes that make this easier for them to do. It feels like a slap in the face when suddenly, the thing they thought made them special is attainable by pretty much anyone. They must be thinking, now what??

Again, the whole thing is sad and ridiculous, but there it is.

+1. Imagine we didn’t judge people’s worth or morality based on what they weigh. That’s downright threatening to people who don’t have much to offer other than their thinness.

+2. Our obsession with thinness is leading to at least two absurd outcomes:

(1) non GLP-1 users are shaming people simply for using a medication meant to make them healthier. That’s really nuts.

(2) people are abusing GLP-1s (lying to their doctors to obtain the medication, dropping below a healthy weight into anorexia territory, etc.) because we are taught to value “thin” over “healthy”.

Yes!!

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This woman is so bads*it that I don’t really know why anyone cares about her experiences which she is likely exaggerating to keep herself relevant. She is one of the craziest people living in this world so I mean, I wouldn’t put a single grain of truth into what she says about really anything.

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Anonymous wrote:This woman is so bads*it that I don’t really know why anyone cares about her experiences which she is likely exaggerating to keep herself relevant. She is one of the craziest people living in this world so I mean, I wouldn’t put a single grain of truth into what she says about really anything.

Haven’t read the article. What about her is crazy?

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Anonymous wrote:This woman is so bads*it that I don’t really know why anyone cares about her experiences which she is likely exaggerating to keep herself relevant. She is one of the craziest people living in this world so I mean, I wouldn’t put a single grain of truth into what she says about really anything.

Haven’t read the article. What about her is crazy?

google is free.

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Anonymous wrote:Ugh. I already have bowel incontinence from ibs when I’m about to get my period and if I drink coffee or eat too much fiber. Like fruit or veg. It’s no fun. It has happened at work. I practically had to make a stealthy escape with no underwear. No fun. I do have prediabetes but only take metformin. I can’t imagine getting worse in the bowels department.

Why don’t you keep extra clothes at your desk or bag?