Mayim Bialik's horrific experience on GLP-1's

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Anonymous wrote:The thing is, most of the research coming out now that more and more people are on GLP-1s is showing a myriad of benefits - sleep apnea reduction, lower cancer rates, significant benefits in those with addiction, and more. You can’t just discount the emerging science.

And for those who say “well those benefits are just the benefits of weight loss in general”, sure. But a) there is growing evidence some of these benefits are independent of the amount of weight lost and b) a lot of people on these meds would never have lost a significant amount of weight on their own (whether bc they have an underlying issue or just couldn’t sustain weight loss efforts, it is irrelevant). So we demonize the medication that will give them health and longevity bc…why? We don’t judge people for taking meds for any disease besides obesity. Make it make sense.

I can actually understand why some people "demonize" GLP-1s. I imagine these are people who had to work hard their whole lives to maintain their weight. They always said no to cake. They got up early to workout. They went out jogging when they'd rather be on the couch scrolling their phone. They have deprived themselves. And now they see others get the same result without lifting a finger.

Imagine you've studied hard all semester. You didn't go out on your Friday nights, you turned off the TV, you studied. At the final, another kid, who didn't even show up to class, swallows a magic pill before class which makes him super smart and he scores even higher than you. Wouldn't you feel... I dunno... frustrated? Jealous?

We as a society have been told our whole lives that there's no shortcuts. You have to put in the hard work, develop discipline. GLP-1s are turning that on its head. And yes, the formal line is that GLP-1s are supposed to be taken in conjunction with lifestyle changes, a healthy diet and strength training. But in reality? This is America baby. Have you seen our population? A LOT of GLP-1 users (none on here, obviously - I'm talking about Billy Bob down in rural Arkansas) are making zero lifestyle changes. There are pre diabetic people who are actually TRYING to push their body into diabetes so they can get the drug covered by insurance. 10 years ago, when their A1C came back at 5.8, they'd cut back on the cake and ice cream. Today, they're like, bring me the Big Gulp, I need to hit 6.0 or higher so I can get that drug, keep doing my thing and look like Kate Moss.

You’re proving my point though. You’re saying the only people who “deserve” health are the ones who sacrificed for it. What other disease do we do this for? This line of reasoning also discounts those who do the “right” things but are unable to lose significant weight. I know everyone wants to blame the fat people for their slovenliness, but obesity is COMPLEX. I know you don’t want to accept that, but it’s a fact. If you trust science in other arenas of health, you have to here too.

ALSO, for most people weight does not just fall off on these meds. You have to eat protein, hydrate, lift weights, and have frequent check-ins with your doctor. I know you also don’t want to believe this.

DP. Some of you really want to hold on to that jealousy of thinness fantasy don't you? If it were about health, you would know that the person who got up early to workout, went running instead of scrolling, and passed on cake is healthier than the person who didn't but is now thin without having done all those things. You folks give yourself when think the person with discipline is upset. By the way, a well-exercised, well-fed body always looks better than one who by passes those things. Always.

I am on a GLP1 and agree with this. I think that the people who did lots of work all their life, in combination with being blessed with good genes, are understandably jealous of people who did not do much work all of their life and now are becoming thin anyways. It's because our society views thinness with wealth, attractiveness, and self discipline and it drives certain people crazy that others without any of these 3 traits can now be thin too. I think the whole thing is dumb, but I understand the sentiment behind it. Women are told all their lives that being thin and attractive makes them better than other women. That is why women also have such a hard time with aging and cling to botox, face lifts, anti aging serums, fake tans, hair treatments, etc etc. Because they've been told that their worth is based on how they look. They feel superior when they do a better job at maintaining their looks than other women, and they feel REALLY superior when they're born with excellent genes that make this easier for them to do. It feels like a slap in the face when suddenly, the thing they thought made them special is attainable by pretty much anyone. They must be thinking, now what??

Again, the whole thing is sad and ridiculous, but there it is.

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Anonymous wrote:I mean, maybe I'm older than most of y'all, but in decades past, the horror stories were always out there about weight loss drugs. Because of the old drugs, I will not take any of the new drugs.

Would you take a two-decade old diabetes drug? What about a new diabetes drug? These weren't even developed for weight loss. Weight loss was discovered after those taking it for diabetes were dropping weight.

And thus I, who does not have diabetes, would rather wait until it's been used safely on people like me for that period of time at the weight loss dosage.

Same. I'm not overweight nor diabetic and have no need to be a guinea pig. Would be nice if there was a wonder drug, but there's a lot we don't know yet about long term usage.

Many of these people are finally skinny "effortlessly", they will withstand nausea, vomiting, sulphur burps, diarrhea, etc, etc. You can't pry that needle or pill from their bony little hands. The overseeing entity (usda?) will have to issue a ban on these drugs for their population and remove them to get them to stop....unless gastric cancers or dehydration/heart issues stops them first. See also: fen phen.

I wonder if there are drugs that can help you with your character defect? Your distain for people using medication to get thin is remarkably disordered thinking.

It's disdain, not distain. I thought people were using the drugs to get healthy, not just thin. I guess you exposed that lie.

For this drug it’s actually *sh!tstain

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Anonymous wrote:I mean, maybe I'm older than most of y'all, but in decades past, the horror stories were always out there about weight loss drugs. Because of the old drugs, I will not take any of the new drugs.

Would you take a two-decade old diabetes drug? What about a new diabetes drug? These weren't even developed for weight loss. Weight loss was discovered after those taking it for diabetes were dropping weight.

And thus I, who does not have diabetes, would rather wait until it's been used safely on people like me for that period of time at the weight loss dosage.

Same. I'm not overweight nor diabetic and have no need to be a guinea pig. Would be nice if there was a wonder drug, but there's a lot we don't know yet about long term usage.

Many of these people are finally skinny "effortlessly", they will withstand nausea, vomiting, sulphur burps, diarrhea, etc, etc. You can't pry that needle or pill from their bony little hands. The overseeing entity (usda?) will have to issue a ban on these drugs for their population and remove them to get them to stop....unless gastric cancers or dehydration/heart issues stops them first. See also: fen phen.

I wonder if there are drugs that can help you with your character defect? Your distain for people using medication to get thin is remarkably disordered thinking.

It's disdain, not distain. I thought people were using the drugs to get healthy, not just thin. I guess you exposed that lie.

For this drug it’s actually *sh!tstain

There are two very different groups that take GLPs

1. People who really have a hard time losing weight. And yes, sometimes that is because of a lack of self discipline which honestly the drug is great for. I don’t know how to explain it but it takes away cravings and food just simply doesn’t hold the place it used to. And then, the goal is once you start owing weight and feeling better you want to stay that way-so that’s when hopefully more of the self discipline kicks in. Seeing results is a huge motivator for a lot of people. People who age been overweight their entire lives going into a doctors office and being a “normal weight” changes pretty much everything. You are treated as a person, not a fat person whose only problem is being fat and everything can be fixed if they just weren’t fat. You actually get heard and taken seriously.

2. People who already have food issues (eating disorders) and can afford it and find loopholes to getting prescribed a medication that they aren’t eligible for. They abuse it-because if you are already basically starving yourself it obviously makes it easier when your appetite is severely reduced. Most of the time these are just people at a normal weight who just want to be even smaller. And that’s a problem. But that’s not GLP’s fault. That’s the people that already have problems with eating disorders fault.

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Anonymous wrote:The thing is, most of the research coming out now that more and more people are on GLP-1s is showing a myriad of benefits - sleep apnea reduction, lower cancer rates, significant benefits in those with addiction, and more. You can’t just discount the emerging science.

And for those who say “well those benefits are just the benefits of weight loss in general”, sure. But a) there is growing evidence some of these benefits are independent of the amount of weight lost and b) a lot of people on these meds would never have lost a significant amount of weight on their own (whether bc they have an underlying issue or just couldn’t sustain weight loss efforts, it is irrelevant). So we demonize the medication that will give them health and longevity bc…why? We don’t judge people for taking meds for any disease besides obesity. Make it make sense.

This is the research I would live to understand. Why is this synthetic hormone having these independent of weight benefits? And how did we get to a place that so many people need weight/diabetes meds? I just want research of these questions along side pharma showing positive results.

Fat-free foods were a mistake.

https://hsph.harvard.edu/news/low-fat-diets-failed-experiment/

This is why there is so much skepticism in this area. Eat this, don't eat that, then the advice flip flops years later. People are suspicious about anything new because the advice is constantly changing.

Yes and no. Any advice that borders on the extreme is almost certainly not a good idea. People aren't suspicious enough, which is why we had decades of sugary foods that were extremely easy to over eat. It says fat-free, I can eat twice as much and I don't feel full. Ultraprocessed foods don't have to be bad, but it sure is easy to make them cheap and tasty with subsidized corn syrup.

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If it seems too good to be true, it probably is.

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Anonymous wrote:The thing is, most of the research coming out now that more and more people are on GLP-1s is showing a myriad of benefits - sleep apnea reduction, lower cancer rates, significant benefits in those with addiction, and more. You can’t just discount the emerging science.

And for those who say “well those benefits are just the benefits of weight loss in general”, sure. But a) there is growing evidence some of these benefits are independent of the amount of weight lost and b) a lot of people on these meds would never have lost a significant amount of weight on their own (whether bc they have an underlying issue or just couldn’t sustain weight loss efforts, it is irrelevant). So we demonize the medication that will give them health and longevity bc…why? We don’t judge people for taking meds for any disease besides obesity. Make it make sense.

This is the research I would live to understand. Why is this synthetic hormone having these independent of weight benefits? And how did we get to a place that so many people need weight/diabetes meds? I just want research of these questions along side pharma showing positive results.

Fat-free foods were a mistake.

https://hsph.harvard.edu/news/low-fat-diets-failed-experiment/

This is why there is so much skepticism in this area. Eat this, don't eat that, then the advice flip flops years later. People are suspicious about anything new because the advice is constantly changing.

Yes and no. Any advice that borders on the extreme is almost certainly not a good idea. People aren't suspicious enough, which is why we had decades of sugary foods that were extremely easy to over eat. It says fat-free, I can eat twice as much and I don't feel full. Ultraprocessed foods don't have to be bad, but it sure is easy to make them cheap and tasty with subsidized corn syrup.

It’s everything. Fat, cholesterol, protein, carbs, the advice is always evolving.

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Anonymous wrote:This woman is so bads*it that I don’t really know why anyone cares about her experiences which she is likely exaggerating to keep herself relevant. She is one of the craziest people living in this world so I mean, I wouldn’t put a single grain of truth into what she says about really anything.

Haven’t read the article. What about her is crazy?

Well for one, she is a totally extreme attachment parent. Which means she doesn’t believe in babies wearing diapers, chewed her kids food in her own mouth before giving it to them when they were little etc…Also she says she believes in science but has her kids on an alternative vaccine schedule. The last thing in itself wouldn’t make her crazy per say but all the things together do.

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Anonymous wrote:This woman is so bads*it that I don’t really know why anyone cares about her experiences which she is likely exaggerating to keep herself relevant. She is one of the craziest people living in this world so I mean, I wouldn’t put a single grain of truth into what she says about really anything.

Haven’t read the article. What about her is crazy?

Well for one, she is a totally extreme attachment parent. Which means she doesn’t believe in babies wearing diapers, chewed her kids food in her own mouth before giving it to them when they were little etc…Also she says she believes in science but has her kids on an alternative vaccine schedule. The last thing in itself wouldn’t make her crazy per se but all the things together do.

She’s an RFK-level antivaxxer. Also shills supplements. Total kook.

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Anonymous wrote:The thing is, most of the research coming out now that more and more people are on GLP-1s is showing a myriad of benefits - sleep apnea reduction, lower cancer rates, significant benefits in those with addiction, and more. You can’t just discount the emerging science.

And for those who say “well those benefits are just the benefits of weight loss in general”, sure. But a) there is growing evidence some of these benefits are independent of the amount of weight lost and b) a lot of people on these meds would never have lost a significant amount of weight on their own (whether bc they have an underlying issue or just couldn’t sustain weight loss efforts, it is irrelevant). So we demonize the medication that will give them health and longevity bc…why? We don’t judge people for taking meds for any disease besides obesity. Make it make sense.

This is the research I would live to understand. Why is this synthetic hormone having these independent of weight benefits? And how did we get to a place that so many people need weight/diabetes meds? I just want research of these questions along side pharma showing positive results.

Fat-free foods were a mistake.

https://hsph.harvard.edu/news/low-fat-diets-failed-experiment/

Fat free foods and adding sugar to absolutely everything were major factors yes.

I also suspect down the road that we are going to see the definitive research showing the prevalence of PFAS in the public and private water systems and in the food chain is also a major factor for the explosion of overweight and obesity rates over the last few decades. PFAS is a known obesegenic and there is already research showing a clear link between PFAS exposure and weight gain.

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All meds have different effects on various people.

For example, I have had zero side effects from Wegovy. It's been amazing for me. However, the common medication of ibuprofen causes intense projectile vomiting. Doesn't mean it is bad or that it shouldn't be used. I didn't write an article about it either lol