Why racial segregation is unacceptable but socioeconomic segregation is ok in private schools

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Anonymous wrote:I remember this OP from many similar posts months ago. Maddening repetitive arguments without end. If you disagree it's sarcasm or some sort of no one is forcing you to respond. Someone please delete this thread so she can start another similar one.

You remember, and you also seem to enjoy participating in the threads. Very consistent.

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Anonymous wrote:This is the same troll who starts threads on the injustices of private school under the guise of being "new to the area" and just asking a loaded question. Then when anyone disagrees she responds with sarcasm. Try to ignore her

Could be a troll, but the question remains valid. Why do schools accept socioeconomic segregation. Is that consistent with the goals of social justice and inclusion that they preach? Maybe, but it doesn’t look so.

It's not a smart question. Most private schools don't have a goal of social justice and inclusion, they have a goal of high quality academic education in a low conflict environment. There is no economic model that would work for this goal with a broad SES community, they need way too much tuition money to make it work. Private entities, whether schools or stores or clubs, are there to provide a good or service for a fee and those who can't pay are rarely included. This is how capitalism works. We're also not giving away Porches in a lottery, people have to pay for them.

All this and it’s been stated repeatedly in this thread. If OP is still wondering then she’s a moron. Most schools don’t have social justice in their mission statements and that’s fine with me. Most religions are exclusive too…. Most sports teams are exclusive… most professional and networking organizations, and on and on. My guess is OP is a member of one or more “exclusive” communities, yet wants to pick on schools. Crazy stupid!

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Anonymous wrote:This is the same troll who starts threads on the injustices of private school under the guise of being "new to the area" and just asking a loaded question. Then when anyone disagrees she responds with sarcasm. Try to ignore her

Could be a troll, but the question remains valid. Why do schools accept socioeconomic segregation. Is that consistent with the goals of social justice and inclusion that they preach? Maybe, but it doesn’t look so.

It's not a smart question. Most private schools don't have a goal of social justice and inclusion, they have a goal of high quality academic education in a low conflict environment. There is no economic model that would work for this goal with a broad SES community, they need way too much tuition money to make it work. Private entities, whether schools or stores or clubs, are there to provide a good or service for a fee and those who can't pay are rarely included. This is how capitalism works. We're also not giving away Porches in a lottery, people have to pay for them.

But still there is the consensus to avoid racial segregation in expensive schools with the goal of inclusiveness (most schools publish their numbers). Why not having the same goal with socioeconomic inclusion. Are poor people more violent and ignorant ? That’s how people thought about non-white people 50 years ago. I think there are merits in broadening the concept of diversity, even for expensive schools.

Why do you think there is a consensus to avoid “racial segregation”? I dont think there is such a consensus. The minorities who are at these schools have agency as well, they aren’t at the school because white ppl decided they wanted them there. I know that type of thinking is most intuitive for many, because many think that some groups are superior than others. The consensus is actually against socioeconomic segregation, therefore there is financial aid that benefits mostly white people but also benefits some racial minorities.

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Anonymous wrote:As a rich person myself I cannot stand private school parents. They absolutely positively think their kids are too special to go to school with kids without money and don’t think their kids can possibly learn something and be better off from the experience. It’s pathetic.

As someone who truly believes my kids belong among the masses I cannot stand people who drive their kids around in cars rather than having them solely ride public transportation, like my family does. People who drive their families in cars simply think they are better than those of us on the bus and metro, they don't think their kids could possibly learn something and be better off from the experience. And my values and experience are clearly the only right ones.

On that note only people who use tax subsidized housing, food, and school are really normal. I’m a gazillionaire yet we are all on food stamps in government housing with medicaid

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Anonymous wrote:This is the same troll who starts threads on the injustices of private school under the guise of being "new to the area" and just asking a loaded question. Then when anyone disagrees she responds with sarcasm. Try to ignore her

Could be a troll, but the question remains valid. Why do schools accept socioeconomic segregation. Is that consistent with the goals of social justice and inclusion that they preach? Maybe, but it doesn’t look so.

It's not a smart question. Most private schools don't have a goal of social justice and inclusion, they have a goal of high quality academic education in a low conflict environment. There is no economic model that would work for this goal with a broad SES community, they need way too much tuition money to make it work. Private entities, whether schools or stores or clubs, are there to provide a good or service for a fee and those who can't pay are rarely included. This is how capitalism works. We're also not giving away Porches in a lottery, people have to pay for them.

All this and it’s been stated repeatedly in this thread. If OP is still wondering then she’s a moron. Most schools don’t have social justice in their mission statements and that’s fine with me. Most religions are exclusive too…. Most sports teams are exclusive… most professional and networking organizations, and on and on. My guess is OP is a member of one or more “exclusive” communities, yet wants to pick on schools. Crazy stupid!

Tell me the school were your kids go and I will tell you what do they say about diversity.

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Anonymous wrote:This is the same troll who starts threads on the injustices of private school under the guise of being "new to the area" and just asking a loaded question. Then when anyone disagrees she responds with sarcasm. Try to ignore her

Could be a troll, but the question remains valid. Why do schools accept socioeconomic segregation. Is that consistent with the goals of social justice and inclusion that they preach? Maybe, but it doesn’t look so.

It's not a smart question. Most private schools don't have a goal of social justice and inclusion, they have a goal of high quality academic education in a low conflict environment. There is no economic model that would work for this goal with a broad SES community, they need way too much tuition money to make it work. Private entities, whether schools or stores or clubs, are there to provide a good or service for a fee and those who can't pay are rarely included. This is how capitalism works. We're also not giving away Porches in a lottery, people have to pay for them.

But still there is the consensus to avoid racial segregation in expensive schools with the goal of inclusiveness (most schools publish their numbers). Why not having the same goal with socioeconomic inclusion. Are poor people more violent and ignorant ? That’s how people thought about non-white people 50 years ago. I think there are merits in broadening the concept of diversity, even for expensive schools.

Why do you think there is a consensus to avoid “racial segregation”? I dont think there is such a consensus. The minorities who are at these schools have agency as well, they aren’t at the school because white ppl decided they wanted them there. I know that type of thinking is most intuitive for many, because many think that some groups are superior than others. The consensus is actually against socioeconomic segregation, therefore there is financial aid that benefits mostly white people but also benefits some racial minorities.

Pick a posh school and I will Telly you what they say about racial inclusion.

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Winners winning with fellow winners regardless of race, religion etc. It’s the way it is and somethings will never change.

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Ahhhh private school parents…. That’s what makes enjoyable to read DCUM.

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Anonymous wrote:Of course it's not okay, and the people defending it are disgusting. However and unfortunately, it's still socially acceptable to discriminate based on income and education.

Yes, yet we all make Mark Zuckerberg and Jeff Bezos richer and support our capitalist country and freedom. It’s ridiculous to turn kids into better adults. Damn us all for trying!

Go back to your Amazon order or social media post now.

I wrote that, and I am not a Prime member and have purchased exactly zero items from Amazon this year. I haven't posted on my social media profile for over a decade.

I also don't think encouraging discrimination on any dimension turns kids into better adults.

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Anonymous wrote:The only way for private schools to be more economically diverse in this area to offer school vouchers so that any kid can go to any school they want and are capable of getting in. The vouchers would have to be enough to at least the tuition amount of the lowest private school. This program would force public schools to shape up their curriculum and quality if they want to stay open. Open competition is always a good thing.

Interesting but not thought out. Maybe if public schools also got as much funding per pupil as private schools, this might make sense. But then there wouldn’t be very many private schools.

Private schools don’t get “funding” and public svhool “funding” is paid for by the rich as well

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Anonymous wrote:Interesting. It seems that socioeconomic segregation is not a problem at all for most parents.

Why would it be? The bar to entry in private school is not high enough. We would like it to be more exclusive than it already is.

I’m from a city more competitive than DC for private school. Most selective have 2-5% admit rate, less selective top tier are just shy of 15%. I totally agree!! There is still a ton of bad behavior I’d like to eradicate - like prolific social media use and phones in general. I wish parents would band together and decide this.

You New Yorkers really think you’re such hot shit. If you’re all that, what are you doing on a DC website?

Not the poster but NYC private schools shit on DC private schools. Facts. And some of the public schools in NYC shit on all the private schools everywhere. There’s a lot of hot shit in NYC and it’s not even a swamp. Maybe DC could try to be more like NYC, at least with its public schools. It’d be some steamy shit.

This is silly. #1 no they do not. #2 The top privates are in Boston and Connecticut #3 NYC’s top private is boasting about 10+ ivy enrollments over what did just read? A 10 year period? Ma’am please have a seat and try to get one in a DC private

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Anonymous wrote:The only way for private schools to be more economically diverse in this area to offer school vouchers so that any kid can go to any school they want and are capable of getting in. The vouchers would have to be enough to at least the tuition amount of the lowest private school. This program would force public schools to shape up their curriculum and quality if they want to stay open. Open competition is always a good thing.

Texas is starting this program next year and you can already see the MC families gaming the system to get their kids priority. Private school applications at my kids’ school was up 270% this year. Really it is taking money away from the public schools and sponsoring MC families to go to private school. My kid was already in private with ADHD - we have parents pay tuition so this is just a discount for already wealthy people. The politicians know this.

It's not taking money away, the money follows the kids. If the MC kid isn't there, the school doesn't get the money. The school that kid goes to gets instead. What's the problem?

Let me explain - I’ll make the math easy.

Say a public school gets 10k for a 10 kid class now. With the vouchers 5 of those public school kids go to private school and augment that 2x. The public school now has 5k and the private (now with 10k extra) can raise their tuition 7%, plus they still have large endowments to buy extras that the public school cannot afford. The private school kids get much much more, while the public schools suffer more. It’s really very simple.

It will pass legislation because people like me want the discount and people like you think you can get a better education. It’s already got my vote and my kids would be attending private anyway. So my tax money earmarked for a public school I don’t use is now going to subsidize my kid instead of yours.

Then public schools and right size and make it work. If they don't need as many schools and teachers they can figure it out, that doesn't mean they get to be half full whining about having to do with less. It's very simple. Consolidate the classrooms. It's not about the private schools getting more.

You are harping on the wrong part of a bad example

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Anonymous wrote:The only way for private schools to be more economically diverse in this area to offer school vouchers so that any kid can go to any school they want and are capable of getting in. The vouchers would have to be enough to at least the tuition amount of the lowest private school. This program would force public schools to shape up their curriculum and quality if they want to stay open. Open competition is always a good thing.

Texas is starting this program next year and you can already see the MC families gaming the system to get their kids priority. Private school applications at my kids’ school was up 270% this year. Really it is taking money away from the public schools and sponsoring MC families to go to private school. My kid was already in private with ADHD - we have parents pay tuition so this is just a discount for already wealthy people. The politicians know this.

It's not taking money away, the money follows the kids. If the MC kid isn't there, the school doesn't get the money. The school that kid goes to gets instead. What's the problem?

Let me explain - I’ll make the math easy.

Say a public school gets 10k for a 10 kid class now. With the vouchers 5 of those public school kids go to private school and augment that 2x. The public school now has 5k and the private (now with 10k extra) can raise their tuition 7%, plus they still have large endowments to buy extras that the public school cannot afford. The private school kids get much much more, while the public schools suffer more. It’s really very simple.

It will pass legislation because people like me want the discount and people like you think you can get a better education. It’s already got my vote and my kids would be attending private anyway. So my tax money earmarked for a public school I don’t use is now going to subsidize my kid instead of yours.

Forgot to mention - those private schools that will accept he influx of ex-public kids will just get harder to get into, so they’ll rely more on legacy and recommendations - so if you’re not already upper class the door will shut tight and be sealed.

Maybe it's time for the rich people in publics to open their checkbooks and donate to their public schools the way private school parents do. There are quite a few of them according to PPs in here. Write those checks, and be the change. Don't they believe in their school enough to support it and help cover the needs?

Yeah every April 15th

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Anonymous wrote:The only way for private schools to be more economically diverse in this area to offer school vouchers so that any kid can go to any school they want and are capable of getting in. The vouchers would have to be enough to at least the tuition amount of the lowest private school. This program would force public schools to shape up their curriculum and quality if they want to stay open. Open competition is always a good thing.

Interesting but not thought out. Maybe if public schools also got as much funding per pupil as private schools, this might make sense. But then there wouldn’t be very many private schools.

Private schools cannot be forced to take vouchers.

Yes they can. You can’t discriminate based on source of income.

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Anonymous wrote:Oh boy, people do not like talking about this!

Private school is inherently elitist no matter the metric used for selection. We are more comfortable with elitism along economic lines than race. A lot of what you are buying with a private school education is cultural exclusivity and isn't really about academics and that has always been the case, though of course within the private school community, people will also compete for academic superiority (it is not enough for a hierarchy to exist between the wealthy and the poor, there must also be hierarchies among the wealthy, and academics are one though never the most important one).

A private school that was selective based purely on academics, with scholarships for those who could not afford it, is interesting in theory but ignores the fact that being able to choose your kids' peers' parents is one of the things people like most about private.

Regis in NYC is real, not a theory. Wouldn’t it be interesting if there was such a school in DC? Let’s talk social justice and Quaker values! An STA where every boy applies for 9th grade and it’s free!

It’s called BASIS