Why racial segregation is unacceptable but socioeconomic segregation is ok in private schools

[Anonymous]

This is the same troll who starts threads on the injustices of private school under the guise of being "new to the area" and just asking a loaded question. Then when anyone disagrees she responds with sarcasm. Try to ignore her

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This is the same troll who starts threads on the injustices of private school under the guise of being "new to the area" and just asking a loaded question. Then when anyone disagrees she responds with sarcasm. Try to ignore her

Could be a troll, but the question remains valid. Why do schools accept socioeconomic segregation. Is that consistent with the goals of social justice and inclusion that they preach? Maybe, but it doesn’t look so.

[Anonymous]

The schools do not accept socioeconomic diversity. Financial aid programs help white people mostly, white people who provide socioeconomic diversity.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is the same troll who starts threads on the injustices of private school under the guise of being "new to the area" and just asking a loaded question. Then when anyone disagrees she responds with sarcasm. Try to ignore her

Could be a troll, but the question remains valid. Why do schools accept socioeconomic segregation. Is that consistent with the goals of social justice and inclusion that they preach? Maybe, but it doesn’t look so.

It's not a smart question. Most private schools don't have a goal of social justice and inclusion, they have a goal of high quality academic education in a low conflict environment. There is no economic model that would work for this goal with a broad SES community, they need way too much tuition money to make it work. Private entities, whether schools or stores or clubs, are there to provide a good or service for a fee and those who can't pay are rarely included. This is how capitalism works. We're also not giving away Porches in a lottery, people have to pay for them.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:As a rich person myself I cannot stand private school parents. They absolutely positively think their kids are too special to go to school with kids without money and don’t think their kids can possibly learn something and be better off from the experience. It’s pathetic.

As someone who truly believes my kids belong among the masses I cannot stand people who drive their kids around in cars rather than having them solely ride public transportation, like my family does. People who drive their families in cars simply think they are better than those of us on the bus and metro, they don't think their kids could possibly learn something and be better off from the experience. And my values and experience are clearly the only right ones.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:As a rich person myself I cannot stand private school parents. They absolutely positively think their kids are too special to go to school with kids without money and don’t think their kids can possibly learn something and be better off from the experience. It’s pathetic.

We are a wealthy and involved very active and caring family who put our kids in our supposedly excellent public. My son has gotten stabbed with a pencil, threatened by a kid with scissors, seen knives, threats of guns, physical violence, teachers, using F bombs and other dismissive commentary, 32 kids per class, had had things constantly stolen and is ignored and overlooked because the teachers are so overworked. Kids in ankle monitoring bands, and worse. We are heading to private. It’s our public school systems loss. Not ours.

Bullshit. None of that ever happened to our public schools kids and it’s not happening to our public school grandkids either. And they’re not even in “excellent public schools.” They’re in DC.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:As a rich person myself I cannot stand private school parents. They absolutely positively think their kids are too special to go to school with kids without money and don’t think their kids can possibly learn something and be better off from the experience. It’s pathetic.

As someone who truly believes my kids belong among the masses I cannot stand people who drive their kids around in cars rather than having them solely ride public transportation, like my family does. People who drive their families in cars simply think they are better than those of us on the bus and metro, they don't think their kids could possibly learn something and be better off from the experience. And my values and experience are clearly the only right ones.

Not even remotely clever.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:As a rich person myself I cannot stand private school parents. They absolutely positively think their kids are too special to go to school with kids without money and don’t think their kids can possibly learn something and be better off from the experience. It’s pathetic.

As someone who truly believes my kids belong among the masses I cannot stand people who drive their kids around in cars rather than having them solely ride public transportation, like my family does. People who drive their families in cars simply think they are better than those of us on the bus and metro, they don't think their kids could possibly learn something and be better off from the experience. And my values and experience are clearly the only right ones.

Not even remotely clever.

Tell me that on the bus.

[Anonymous]

The goal is not socioeconomic segregation per se it is just a by-product of pursuing a certain kind of environment.

Those who were not included or who chose not to opt-in may pursue similar goals within their talents, economic situation, and possibilities. What else do you want to do?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is the same troll who starts threads on the injustices of private school under the guise of being "new to the area" and just asking a loaded question. Then when anyone disagrees she responds with sarcasm. Try to ignore her

Could be a troll, but the question remains valid. Why do schools accept socioeconomic segregation. Is that consistent with the goals of social justice and inclusion that they preach? Maybe, but it doesn’t look so.

It's not a smart question. Most private schools don't have a goal of social justice and inclusion, they have a goal of high quality academic education in a low conflict environment. There is no economic model that would work for this goal with a broad SES community, they need way too much tuition money to make it work. Private entities, whether schools or stores or clubs, are there to provide a good or service for a fee and those who can't pay are rarely included. This is how capitalism works. We're also not giving away Porches in a lottery, people have to pay for them.

But still there is the consensus to avoid racial segregation in expensive schools with the goal of inclusiveness (most schools publish their numbers). Why not having the same goal with socioeconomic inclusion. Are poor people more violent and ignorant ? That’s how people thought about non-white people 50 years ago. I think there are merits in broadening the concept of diversity, even for expensive schools.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:As a rich person myself I cannot stand private school parents. They absolutely positively think their kids are too special to go to school with kids without money and don’t think their kids can possibly learn something and be better off from the experience. It’s pathetic.

As someone who truly believes my kids belong among the masses I cannot stand people who drive their kids around in cars rather than having them solely ride public transportation, like my family does. People who drive their families in cars simply think they are better than those of us on the bus and metro, they don't think their kids could possibly learn something and be better off from the experience. And my values and experience are clearly the only right ones.

Not even remotely clever.

Tell me that on the bus.

Equally unclever. And I’m typing this on the metro.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:As a rich person myself I cannot stand private school parents. They absolutely positively think their kids are too special to go to school with kids without money and don’t think their kids can possibly learn something and be better off from the experience. It’s pathetic.

As someone who truly believes my kids belong among the masses I cannot stand people who drive their kids around in cars rather than having them solely ride public transportation, like my family does. People who drive their families in cars simply think they are better than those of us on the bus and metro, they don't think their kids could possibly learn something and be better off from the experience. And my values and experience are clearly the only right ones.

Not even remotely clever.

Tell me that on the bus.

Equally unclever. And I’m typing this on the metro.

What is "unclever"? We don't have that word on the bus.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This is the same troll who starts threads on the injustices of private school under the guise of being "new to the area" and just asking a loaded question. Then when anyone disagrees she responds with sarcasm. Try to ignore her

Could be a troll, but the question remains valid. Why do schools accept socioeconomic segregation. Is that consistent with the goals of social justice and inclusion that they preach? Maybe, but it doesn’t look so.

It's not a smart question. Most private schools don't have a goal of social justice and inclusion, they have a goal of high quality academic education in a low conflict environment. There is no economic model that would work for this goal with a broad SES community, they need way too much tuition money to make it work. Private entities, whether schools or stores or clubs, are there to provide a good or service for a fee and those who can't pay are rarely included. This is how capitalism works. We're also not giving away Porches in a lottery, people have to pay for them.

But still there is the consensus to avoid racial segregation in expensive schools with the goal of inclusiveness (most schools publish their numbers). Why not having the same goal with socioeconomic inclusion. Are poor people more violent and ignorant ? That’s how people thought about non-white people 50 years ago. I think there are merits in broadening the concept of diversity, even for expensive schools.

No, there is no consensus on any diversity targets for private schools. You think there are merits for your arguments and you might be able to make them a reality if you gave several million dollars to a school, but without the additional resources your ideas don't work. And the quality of the education, which costs money, will always be more important than any diversity goals.

[Anonymous]

I remember this OP from many similar posts months ago. Maddening repetitive arguments without end. If you disagree it's sarcasm or some sort of no one is forcing you to respond. Someone please delete this thread so she can start another similar one.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is the same troll who starts threads on the injustices of private school under the guise of being "new to the area" and just asking a loaded question. Then when anyone disagrees she responds with sarcasm. Try to ignore her

Could be a troll, but the question remains valid. Why do schools accept socioeconomic segregation. Is that consistent with the goals of social justice and inclusion that they preach? Maybe, but it doesn’t look so.

It's not a smart question. Most private schools don't have a goal of social justice and inclusion, they have a goal of high quality academic education in a low conflict environment. There is no economic model that would work for this goal with a broad SES community, they need way too much tuition money to make it work. Private entities, whether schools or stores or clubs, are there to provide a good or service for a fee and those who can't pay are rarely included. This is how capitalism works. We're also not giving away Porches in a lottery, people have to pay for them.

But still there is the consensus to avoid racial segregation in expensive schools with the goal of inclusiveness (most schools publish their numbers). Why not having the same goal with socioeconomic inclusion. Are poor people more violent and ignorant ? That’s how people thought about non-white people 50 years ago. I think there are merits in broadening the concept of diversity, even for expensive schools.

No, there is no consensus on any diversity targets for private schools. You think there are merits for your arguments and you might be able to make them a reality if you gave several million dollars to a school, but without the additional resources your ideas don't work. And the quality of the education, which costs money, will always be more important than any diversity goals.

Tell me a prestigious school in dc and I will tell you what do they say about racial diversity and their metrics. You might not care, which is fine, but schools do advertise their diversity.