Without affirmative action, elite colleges are prioritizing economic diversity in admissions

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Sometimes it feels like these elite institutions could simply reserve 25% of their spots for low-SES students and leave the remaining 75% for everyone else—without all the extra theatrics—focusing on academics for the sake of academics, rather than acting like exclusive social hubs for the wealthy. Instead, what’s happening now sends a discouraging message: you can work incredibly hard, but if your family is neither poor enough nor rich enough—the situation most students fall into—there’s no place for you. Not poor enough to inspire institutional sympathy, not wealthy enough to offer “network value.” It makes you wonder what the purpose of an elite college even is anymore.

And again, how much do these elitists want to drain the average people's time, money and energy...They work so hard to be exclusive so they can keep the wealthy 1% to themselves, and make sure the rest are poor FOEVER

You sound like you feel that people have a right to seats, but you don’t. Top schools have never been about peak academics and they have every right to admit according to their priorities, not yours.

As long as those priorities don't include race.

If they do, then they should be stripped of their tax exempt status.

Is gender preference okay with you?

The 14th amendment prohibits sex discrimination but the prohibition isn't quite as severe as it is for racial discrimination.
The standard of review for racial discrimination is strict scrutiny while the standard of review for sex discrimination is intermediate scrutiny.

[Anonymous]

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WASHINGTON (AP) — Some of the country’s most prestigious colleges are enrolling record numbers of low-income students — a growing admissions priority in the absence of affirmative.

https://apnews.com/article/college-admissions-affirmative-action-scholarships-pell-0cdef1e68ccc2c6d743dcd26817e73ee" target="_new" rel="nofollow"> https://apnews.com/article/college-admissions-affirmative-action-scholarships-pell-0cdef1e68ccc2c6d743dcd26817e73ee

Asians are gonna be big mad about this in 3, 2, 1...

As long as it's not a disguised racial preference, I don't see why they would be mad.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Lot of angry losers who thought SCOTUS was handing Ivy slots to their kids that just can’t make the grade.

Let's do the math. In 2022 the SAT test taker demographics were as follows (from https://reports.collegeboard.org/media/pdf/20...ts-annual-report.pdf)

175,468 Asians
201,645 Black/African Americans
396,422 Hispanic/Latino
732,946 White

In 2020, the percentage of takers getting a 1500+/1400+ (respectively) by race were:

9%/23% of Asians
<1%/1% of Black/African Americans
<1%/2% of Hispanics/Latinos
2%/7% of Whites

That means that among the pool of people getting 1500/1400+ (rounding <1% to 0.5%):

15,792/40,357 are Asian
1,008/2,016 are Black
1,982/7,928 are Hispanic
14,658/51,306 are White

They're not getting mad, they're getting theirs

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Lot of angry losers who thought SCOTUS was handing Ivy slots to their kids that just can’t make the grade.

Let's do the math. In 2022 the SAT test taker demographics were as follows (from https://reports.collegeboard.org/media/pdf/20...ts-annual-report.pdf)

175,468 Asians
201,645 Black/African Americans
396,422 Hispanic/Latino
732,946 White

In 2020, the percentage of takers getting a 1500+/1400+ (respectively) by race were:

9%/23% of Asians
<1%/1% of Black/African Americans
<1%/2% of Hispanics/Latinos
2%/7% of Whites

That means that among the pool of people getting 1500/1400+ (rounding <1% to 0.5%):

15,792/40,357 are Asian
1,008/2,016 are Black
1,982/7,928 are Hispanic
14,658/51,306 are White

They're not getting mad, they're getting theirs

~3,000 black students with various schools being about 5% black and factoring that black students are disproportionately poorer from worse schools...adds up to me. People always go "what about asians" but their demographics can be summed up by living on the coast, near major cities, with pretty damned good schools.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:Lot of angry losers who thought SCOTUS was handing Ivy slots to their kids that just can’t make the grade.

Let's do the math. In 2022 the SAT test taker demographics were as follows (from https://reports.collegeboard.org/media/pdf/20...ts-annual-report.pdf)

175,468 Asians
201,645 Black/African Americans
396,422 Hispanic/Latino
732,946 White

In 2020, the percentage of takers getting a 1500+/1400+ (respectively) by race were:

9%/23% of Asians
<1%/1% of Black/African Americans
<1%/2% of Hispanics/Latinos
2%/7% of Whites

That means that among the pool of people getting 1500/1400+ (rounding <1% to 0.5%):

15,792/40,357 are Asian
1,008/2,016 are Black
1,982/7,928 are Hispanic
14,658/51,306 are White

They're not getting mad, they're getting theirs

~3,000 black students with various schools being about 5% black and factoring that black students are disproportionately poorer from worse schools...adds up to me. People always go "what about asians" but their demographics can be summed up by living on the coast, near major cities, with pretty damned good schools.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:What is an “ Ivy-adjacent college”?

A coping mechanism

I'm the person you're referring to. My son isn't at an Ivy but a T15 school that everyone knows of (Think Northwestern, Duke, Vandy, etc.). The Ivies are a sports league.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:when someone claims they need H1B for Doctors, remember this ....

They Passed Over American Doctors

The biggest lie in the U.S. healthcare debate is that we do not have enough American doctors. The truth is simple. We produce them. We just refuse to train them.

In 2024 nearly 20 percent of U.S. medical school seniors failed to match into a residency. That is 8,869 qualified graduates who spent years in school, passed their boards, took on massive debt, and still never got the one thing they need to practice medicine.

At the same time more than 9,700 foreign trained doctors matched into U.S. residencies in 2025. Many hospitals prefer them because they accept lower pay, longer hours, and have no leverage to complain. You cannot practice medicine in the United States without residency. So if Americans are locked out, someone else will fill the spot.

The choke point is not medical school. It is the federally funded residency cap. Congress has not increased these slots fast enough while medical school enrollment has exploded. The result is a rigged bottleneck that leaves American doctors unmatched while taxpayer dollars train replacements from overseas.

The Resident Physician Shortage Reduction Act of 2025 would add 14,000 residency slots over seven years. Even that will not undo years of damage, but it is proof that Washington knows the system is broken.

Until Congress expands residency slots at the scale required, the United States will keep graduating qualified doctors who never get to practice. Then hospitals will turn around and say there is a physician shortage and use it as an excuse to import more foreign labor.

It is not a shortage. It is policy.

Citations
• AMA, Biggest Match Day Ever, 2025 data
• AAMC, Medical School Enrollment Growth vs Residency Bottleneck
• Educational Commission for Foreign Medical Graduates, IMG Match Statistics 2025
• Norton Rose Fulbright, Congressional Inquiry into Residency Accreditation and Matching Practices
• People Magazine, U.S. Graduate Denied Residency, 2024

There is always a percentage of medical students that effectively fail medical school but unless you failed multiple board exams.
Unfortunately more and more of our medical students are being selected based onr ace rather than merit.

https://www.campusreform.org/article/ucla-med-students-alarmingly-sub-standard-school-cuts-corners-admits-applicants-based-race/25529

But that 80% num,ber STILL sounds high. Do you have a cite?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:With AI progressing so quickly, college prestige may matter less and less. People won’t need a degree to prove their abilities. Seeing so many Gen Z job struggles—unemployment, low wages, outsourcing, H-1B competition—makes it feel like our kids are just fighting to survive. It’s hard to know whether a college degree still makes a difference.

Uh no. Top colleges will always matter

Maybe to the poor who don’t pay a dime but ROI matters and the ROI just isn’t there anymore for full pay students.

You sound stupid trying to argue that full pay students are passing on ivy league credential based on ROI

[Anonymous]

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WASHINGTON (AP) — Some of the country’s most prestigious colleges are enrolling record numbers of low-income students — a growing admissions priority in the absence of affirmative.

https://apnews.com/article/college-admissions-affirmative-action-scholarships-pell-0cdef1e68ccc2c6d743dcd26817e73ee" target="_new" rel="nofollow"> https://apnews.com/article/college-admissions-affirmative-action-scholarships-pell-0cdef1e68ccc2c6d743dcd26817e73ee

Asians are gonna be big mad about this in 3, 2, 1...

Nah. Lots of US citizens whose ancestors are from SE Asia also are low income and trying for college. California discovered this when race-based metrics were banned for public universities there.

And they are very good at hiding their income because it's all made through businesses.
There are so many kids on Reddit claiming HHI of $10K or $20K when their parents own multiple restaurants or other businesses. Reddit is anonymous so the kids are frank about their financial stats.

This is not happening. The IRS is not letting you declare $10-20K income with multiple restaurants and wealthy lifestyle. It's just not happening.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:
WASHINGTON (AP) — Some of the country’s most prestigious colleges are enrolling record numbers of low-income students — a growing admissions priority in the absence of affirmative.

https://apnews.com/article/college-admissions-affirmative-action-scholarships-pell-0cdef1e68ccc2c6d743dcd26817e73ee" target="_new" rel="nofollow"> https://apnews.com/article/college-admissions-affirmative-action-scholarships-pell-0cdef1e68ccc2c6d743dcd26817e73ee

Asians are gonna be big mad about this in 3, 2, 1...

Nah. Lots of US citizens whose ancestors are from SE Asia also are low income and trying for college. California discovered this when race-based metrics were banned for public universities there.

Also see Stuyvesant, which is 25% free/reduced lunch

It's closer to 50%

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:
WASHINGTON (AP) — Some of the country’s most prestigious colleges are enrolling record numbers of low-income students — a growing admissions priority in the absence of affirmative.

https://apnews.com/article/college-admissions-affirmative-action-scholarships-pell-0cdef1e68ccc2c6d743dcd26817e73ee" target="_new" rel="nofollow"> https://apnews.com/article/college-admissions-affirmative-action-scholarships-pell-0cdef1e68ccc2c6d743dcd26817e73ee

Asians are gonna be big mad about this in 3, 2, 1...

Nah. Lots of US citizens whose ancestors are from SE Asia also are low income and trying for college. California discovered this when race-based metrics were banned for public universities there.

And they are very good at hiding their income because it's all made through businesses.
There are so many kids on Reddit claiming HHI of $10K or $20K when their parents own multiple restaurants or other businesses. Reddit is anonymous so the kids are frank about their financial stats.

If they're being frank about the $20k income, then that is their income. Many businesses, particularly restaurants, are far from being as profitable as you might think.

If they'e taking cash they can claim their income is whatever they want it to be. There are many states (NJ being one) where the restaurant economy is almost entirely based on cash. Places don't even take credit (yes, in 2025!)

No they can't. The IRS is not that easy to circumvent.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:With AI progressing so quickly, college prestige may matter less and less. People won’t need a degree to prove their abilities. Seeing so many Gen Z job struggles—unemployment, low wages, outsourcing, H-1B competition—makes it feel like our kids are just fighting to survive. It’s hard to know whether a college degree still makes a difference.

Uh no. Top colleges will always matter

Maybe to the poor who don’t pay a dime but ROI matters and the ROI just isn’t there anymore for full pay students.

You sound stupid trying to argue that full pay students are passing on ivy league credential based on ROI

Well not just that but people don't want to consider it for several reasons including ROI. Sorry that bursts your bubble that's it's just so elite and everyone is dying to go. Smart rich kids are taking their wealth and connections elsewhere.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:when someone claims they need H1B for Doctors, remember this ....

They Passed Over American Doctors

The biggest lie in the U.S. healthcare debate is that we do not have enough American doctors. The truth is simple. We produce them. We just refuse to train them.

In 2024 nearly 20 percent of U.S. medical school seniors failed to match into a residency. That is 8,869 qualified graduates who spent years in school, passed their boards, took on massive debt, and still never got the one thing they need to practice medicine.

At the same time more than 9,700 foreign trained doctors matched into U.S. residencies in 2025. Many hospitals prefer them because they accept lower pay, longer hours, and have no leverage to complain. You cannot practice medicine in the United States without residency. So if Americans are locked out, someone else will fill the spot.

The choke point is not medical school. It is the federally funded residency cap. Congress has not increased these slots fast enough while medical school enrollment has exploded. The result is a rigged bottleneck that leaves American doctors unmatched while taxpayer dollars train replacements from overseas.

The Resident Physician Shortage Reduction Act of 2025 would add 14,000 residency slots over seven years. Even that will not undo years of damage, but it is proof that Washington knows the system is broken.

Until Congress expands residency slots at the scale required, the United States will keep graduating qualified doctors who never get to practice. Then hospitals will turn around and say there is a physician shortage and use it as an excuse to import more foreign labor.

It is not a shortage. It is policy.

Citations
• AMA, Biggest Match Day Ever, 2025 data
• AAMC, Medical School Enrollment Growth vs Residency Bottleneck
• Educational Commission for Foreign Medical Graduates, IMG Match Statistics 2025
• Norton Rose Fulbright, Congressional Inquiry into Residency Accreditation and Matching Practices
• People Magazine, U.S. Graduate Denied Residency, 2024

What?!? If these residency slots are really limited and we have kids successfully graduating from medical schools and ready to go into them why in the world are we giving out visas to people to take those slots instead??? The more I learn about the current visa details and how it is actually used the more frustrated I get at it. Just as we do NOT need thousands and thousands of H1B tech visas now, we do not need so may foreign doctors when US med students cannot even fit into residencies. This is nuts.

Because half the UCLA medical students fail their board exams because they are admitting people based on skin color.

That and they are just making up that 80% number.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The return of testing requirements is Jim Crow.

Hopefully the schools will continue to resist.

Jim Crow? How so? Are black people unable to do well on tests?

Are the tests rigged to favor whites (and for some reason asians do better than whites)?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:With AI progressing so quickly, college prestige may matter less and less. People won’t need a degree to prove their abilities. Seeing so many Gen Z job struggles—unemployment, low wages, outsourcing, H-1B competition—makes it feel like our kids are just fighting to survive. It’s hard to know whether a college degree still makes a difference.

Social media and AI were the worst creations in history

Woke and humanities majors are worse.

What is "woke?" Explain it to me like I'm five.

Humanities majors are the future. That's where the jobs and pay are going to be in an AI-powered economy. It's already happening.

No? I don't see a huge rise $80k+ starting positions opening up that specifically ask for humanities degrees.

I do. We are hiring for them. So our our competitors in Big Four accounting and Blue Chip consultancies.

My two nieces both work in tech. One was an English major from NYU and the other a Psychology major from Stetson. They do not have masters degrees. They get recruited all of the time.

Stetson Psych major? Getting recruited? What are you leaving out because the calls this profile gets isn't called recruiting, it's called spam from indeed.