Record number of high schoolers swapping the Ivy League for the SEC thanks to sunshine, campus culture - The Times

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Anonymous wrote:The tours were took in the spring of a few T20s it seemed like Caucasian American kids were a small minority of the overall student body. Indian and Asian were the clear majority, then Jewish, Hispanic, Arabic, and Black American and Nigerian kids. It felt like a UN summit.

This x1000. It was shocking. I get why people are outraged. It is 100% manufactured ratios and keeping out smart, UMC, high achieving kids SOLEY because they are white. They want that DEI. Best thing Trump has ever done is force these schools to scrap their ridiculous DEI efforts. And I am a liberal democrat! DEI just reached the point of absurdity.

My high achieving UMC white kid was accepted at multiple top 15 schools in 2023 (so before the Supreme Court ruling), as were several of his white friends.

No truly high achieving kids of any race are getting kept out of anywhere.

BTW, my kid’s Ivy campus is like 40% white…I find it interesting that someone differentiates Jewish kids who are also Caucasian American white as though they are Amish or some strange sect.

Same. I think many are really clueless or in denial about what high achieving students actually look like. They don’t need to prep for SAT/ACT, hardest classes come easily across all subjects, and that allows lots of time to really pour into extracurriculars and hobbies in meaningful ways. They don’t need to craft a narrative, it’s been a lifetime of just being a curious and engaged learner.

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Anonymous wrote:The parents who comment about attractiveness of students at warm weather schools may be referring to happiness & fitness due to active outdoor lifestyle found at these schools.

This. Don’t make something a problem that isn’t. SEC kids simply take care of themselves and take pride in their appearance. They’re happy and outgoing, all American kids. Again, something that was once the status quo at “top” colleges before they got taken over by dorks.

Good for you genius. You figured out you don't belong in some top "dork" college. Enjoy the SEC.

Aww looks like you’re triggered. Sorry you wouldn’t fit in with the fun, outgoing, fit kids in the SEC. They’ll be married with rich, beautiful families and amazing careers while you’re still coping.

I teach at an average SEC school and the party/fun-filled/non-academic culture is so strong that half the class don't bother to show up to a 10:30am lecture after the first few weeks. Many faculty members especially newer ones have expressed shock/disappointment at how weak the student body is. When our classes are filled with <22 ACT and <1100 SAT, there is only so much we can do to educate. We need to slow down, cover less (often much less than the same course at schools we did our Ph.D.), give fewer/easier assignments, and make exam questions very similar to previous ones (even then many don't have a prayer because they didn't care to study). That's SEC-level of education for you.

Thank you for your post in this thread.

Do you teach any sections in the Honors College at your SEC university ? If yes, any difference with respect to students and regarding material covered ?

Is it safe to assume that you do not teach at Vanderbilt or at the University of Georgia ?

Those two are not remotely similar.

BS. They’re the top schools in the SEC along with Florida and Texas. Good to know the trolls don’t take time off for Thanksgiving. Probably because they have no family so they post on here to direct their misery towards the fun-loving SEC lol

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Anonymous wrote:Can’t argue with the data they cite. Seems to boil down to fun and sunny weather. Ivy League losing its cachet. Ivy match kids increasingly prefer Vandy and Duke or a full merit scholarship at Alabama.

Why young Americans are shunning elite universities for the Deep South. Social life, sunshine and picturesque campuses are luring students from the northeast to colleges in South Carolina, Alabama and more.

https://www.thetimes.com/us/news-today/article/why-young-americans-are-shunning-elite-universities-for-the-deep-south-2ktn6fmv2

A bigger factor is cost. Even out of state a South Carolina or Florida is a major bargain. My DD would likely walk away from most public southern schools debt free. At Alabama and Ole Miss her scores would mean big scholarships and allow her to use her college savings for grad school.

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Anonymous wrote:The parents who comment about attractiveness of students at warm weather schools may be referring to happiness & fitness due to active outdoor lifestyle found at these schools.

This. Don’t make something a problem that isn’t. SEC kids simply take care of themselves and take pride in their appearance. They’re happy and outgoing, all American kids. Again, something that was once the status quo at “top” colleges before they got taken over by dorks.

Good for you genius. You figured out you don't belong in some top "dork" college. Enjoy the SEC.

Aww looks like you’re triggered. Sorry you wouldn’t fit in with the fun, outgoing, fit kids in the SEC. They’ll be married with rich, beautiful families and amazing careers while you’re still coping.

I teach at an average SEC school and the party/fun-filled/non-academic culture is so strong that half the class don't bother to show up to a 10:30am lecture after the first few weeks. Many faculty members especially newer ones have expressed shock/disappointment at how weak the student body is. When our classes are filled with <22 ACT and <1100 SAT, there is only so much we can do to educate. We need to slow down, cover less (often much less than the same course at schools we did our Ph.D.), give fewer/easier assignments, and make exam questions very similar to previous ones (even then many don't have a prayer because they didn't care to study). That's SEC-level of education for you.

Multiple professors in our circle have voiced the same, though it is not an SEC issue alone, nor a southern issue. One expressed it about Wisconsin, another about UCSB

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Anonymous wrote:Can’t argue with the data they cite. Seems to boil down to fun and sunny weather. Ivy League losing its cachet. Ivy match kids increasingly prefer Vandy and Duke or a full merit scholarship at Alabama.

Why young Americans are shunning elite universities for the Deep South. Social life, sunshine and picturesque campuses are luring students from the northeast to colleges in South Carolina, Alabama and more.

https://www.thetimes.com/us/news-today/article/why-young-americans-are-shunning-elite-universities-for-the-deep-south-2ktn6fmv2

A bigger factor is cost. Even out of state a South Carolina or Florida is a major bargain. My DD would likely walk away from most public southern schools debt free. At Alabama and Ole Miss her scores would mean big scholarships and allow her to use her college savings for grad school.

That is great. Go and enjoy. Why can't you do that without trashing students that prefer MIT as loser dorks? Different strokes for different folks.

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I would add Duke, Georgetown, George Washington, UMD, UNC, UVA, Georgia Tech, Emory, Rice

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Anonymous wrote:The parents who comment about attractiveness of students at warm weather schools may be referring to happiness & fitness due to active outdoor lifestyle found at these schools.

This. Don’t make something a problem that isn’t. SEC kids simply take care of themselves and take pride in their appearance. They’re happy and outgoing, all American kids. Again, something that was once the status quo at “top” colleges before they got taken over by dorks.

Good for you genius. You figured out you don't belong in some top "dork" college. Enjoy the SEC.

Aww looks like you’re triggered. Sorry you wouldn’t fit in with the fun, outgoing, fit kids in the SEC. They’ll be married with rich, beautiful families and amazing careers while you’re still coping.

I teach at an average SEC school and the party/fun-filled/non-academic culture is so strong that half the class don't bother to show up to a 10:30am lecture after the first few weeks. Many faculty members especially newer ones have expressed shock/disappointment at how weak the student body is. When our classes are filled with <22 ACT and <1100 SAT, there is only so much we can do to educate. We need to slow down, cover less (often much less than the same course at schools we did our Ph.D.), give fewer/easier assignments, and make exam questions very similar to previous ones (even then many don't have a prayer because they didn't care to study). That's SEC-level of education for you.

Thank you for your post in this thread.

Do you teach any sections in the Honors College at your SEC university ? If yes, any difference with respect to students and regarding material covered ?

Is it safe to assume that you do not teach at Vanderbilt or at the University of Georgia ?

Don’t feed this troll. At least have Jeff check the IP to see if this “professor” is outside the beltway.

Want to know who is outside the beltway? The SEC nutters.

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Anonymous wrote:Can’t argue with the data they cite. Seems to boil down to fun and sunny weather. Ivy League losing its cachet. Ivy match kids increasingly prefer Vandy and Duke or a full merit scholarship at Alabama.

Why young Americans are shunning elite universities for the Deep South. Social life, sunshine and picturesque campuses are luring students from the northeast to colleges in South Carolina, Alabama and more.

https://www.thetimes.com/us/news-today/article/why-young-americans-are-shunning-elite-universities-for-the-deep-south-2ktn6fmv2

A bigger factor is cost. Even out of state a South Carolina or Florida is a major bargain. My DD would likely walk away from most public southern schools debt free. At Alabama and Ole Miss her scores would mean big scholarships and allow her to use her college savings for grad school.

That is great. Go and enjoy. Why can't you do that without trashing students that prefer MIT as loser dorks? Different strokes for different folks.

Sure, as soon as the other side starts showing some respect for the SEC and those that choose that route. You get what you give.

DP

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Black Americans usually go to HBCU for Undergrad and Ivy league for grad school, i could see White people doing something similar with SEC

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Anonymous wrote:The parents who comment about attractiveness of students at warm weather schools may be referring to happiness & fitness due to active outdoor lifestyle found at these schools.

This. Don’t make something a problem that isn’t. SEC kids simply take care of themselves and take pride in their appearance. They’re happy and outgoing, all American kids. Again, something that was once the status quo at “top” colleges before they got taken over by dorks.

Good for you genius. You figured out you don't belong in some top "dork" college. Enjoy the SEC.

Aww looks like you’re triggered. Sorry you wouldn’t fit in with the fun, outgoing, fit kids in the SEC. They’ll be married with rich, beautiful families and amazing careers while you’re still coping.

I teach at an average SEC school and the party/fun-filled/non-academic culture is so strong that half the class don't bother to show up to a 10:30am lecture after the first few weeks. Many faculty members especially newer ones have expressed shock/disappointment at how weak the student body is. When our classes are filled with <22 ACT and <1100 SAT, there is only so much we can do to educate. We need to slow down, cover less (often much less than the same course at schools we did our Ph.D.), give fewer/easier assignments, and make exam questions very similar to previous ones (even then many don't have a prayer because they didn't care to study). That's SEC-level of education for you.

Thank you for your post in this thread.

Do you teach any sections in the Honors College at your SEC university ? If yes, any difference with respect to students and regarding material covered ?

Is it safe to assume that you do not teach at Vanderbilt or at the University of Georgia ?

Don’t feed this troll. At least have Jeff check the IP to see if this “professor” is outside the beltway.

Want to know who is outside the beltway? The SEC nutters.

Keep showing everyone how ignorant you are. It’s amusing! But no need to pretend to be a prof lol

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Let's be Honest ... SEC schools are White HBCU

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Anonymous wrote:Can’t argue with the data they cite. Seems to boil down to fun and sunny weather. Ivy League losing its cachet. Ivy match kids increasingly prefer Vandy and Duke or a full merit scholarship at Alabama.

Why young Americans are shunning elite universities for the Deep South. Social life, sunshine and picturesque campuses are luring students from the northeast to colleges in South Carolina, Alabama and more.

https://www.thetimes.com/us/news-today/article/why-young-americans-are-shunning-elite-universities-for-the-deep-south-2ktn6fmv2

A bigger factor is cost. Even out of state a South Carolina or Florida is a major bargain. My DD would likely walk away from most public southern schools debt free. At Alabama and Ole Miss her scores would mean big scholarships and allow her to use her college savings for grad school.

That is great. Go and enjoy. Why can't you do that without trashing students that prefer MIT as loser dorks? Different strokes for different folks.

Sure, as soon as the other side starts showing some respect for the SEC and those that choose that route. You get what you give.

DP

Respect for what exactly? The hardest partiers?

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Anonymous wrote:Can’t argue with the data they cite. Seems to boil down to fun and sunny weather. Ivy League losing its cachet. Ivy match kids increasingly prefer Vandy and Duke or a full merit scholarship at Alabama.

Why young Americans are shunning elite universities for the Deep South. Social life, sunshine and picturesque campuses are luring students from the northeast to colleges in South Carolina, Alabama and more.

https://www.thetimes.com/us/news-today/article/why-young-americans-are-shunning-elite-universities-for-the-deep-south-2ktn6fmv2

A bigger factor is cost. Even out of state a South Carolina or Florida is a major bargain. My DD would likely walk away from most public southern schools debt free. At Alabama and Ole Miss her scores would mean big scholarships and allow her to use her college savings for grad school.

Bingo.

Outside of T20, families are looking for cheaper options.

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Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:Can’t argue with the data they cite. Seems to boil down to fun and sunny weather. Ivy League losing its cachet. Ivy match kids increasingly prefer Vandy and Duke or a full merit scholarship at Alabama.

Why young Americans are shunning elite universities for the Deep South. Social life, sunshine and picturesque campuses are luring students from the northeast to colleges in South Carolina, Alabama and more.

https://www.thetimes.com/us/news-today/article/why-young-americans-are-shunning-elite-universities-for-the-deep-south-2ktn6fmv2

A bigger factor is cost. Even out of state a South Carolina or Florida is a major bargain. My DD would likely walk away from most public southern schools debt free. At Alabama and Ole Miss her scores would mean big scholarships and allow her to use her college savings for grad school.

That is great. Go and enjoy. Why can't you do that without trashing students that prefer MIT as loser dorks? Different strokes for different folks.

I'm not trashing Northern schools or anyone who goes there. Cost is a real issue that's all.

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Anonymous wrote:Can’t argue with the data they cite. Seems to boil down to fun and sunny weather. Ivy League losing its cachet. Ivy match kids increasingly prefer Vandy and Duke or a full merit scholarship at Alabama.

Why young Americans are shunning elite universities for the Deep South. Social life, sunshine and picturesque campuses are luring students from the northeast to colleges in South Carolina, Alabama and more.

https://www.thetimes.com/us/news-today/article/why-young-americans-are-shunning-elite-universities-for-the-deep-south-2ktn6fmv2

A bigger factor is cost. Even out of state a South Carolina or Florida is a major bargain. My DD would likely walk away from most public southern schools debt free. At Alabama and Ole Miss her scores would mean big scholarships and allow her to use her college savings for grad school.

That is great. Go and enjoy. Why can't you do that without trashing students that prefer MIT as loser dorks? Different strokes for different folks.

Sure, as soon as the other side starts showing some respect for the SEC and those that choose that route. You get what you give.

DP

Respect for what exactly? The hardest partiers?

Case in point. You’re incapable of being a decent human being