Son was called a monkey by a Hispanic child

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Anonymous wrote:I haven't read this whole thread. Just wanted to ask: so it is NEVER ok to call a black kid a monkey? Intent does not matter at all??

Does that not seem silly to you? I mean, if a 3 year old sees a black kid hanging off the monkey bars and calls him a monkey, that is racist, even though said 3 year old would have called anyone in that context a monkey and clearly meant it in a cute/endearing way?

Yep, it is never ok.

And we know that kids or people in general do not go around calling each other monkey in the U.S., it is just not done, and yes all you moms are not calling your kids monkey.

I'm sorry... what? I call my kids monkeys ALL the time. Like multiple times every single week.

It is never ok to call a black kid a monkey.

Ok cool. My kids aren't black (they also aren't white). But it's very common to playfully call your kids monkeys.

I call my kids space aliens all the time! I also frequent call them crooked trees, pot-holed roads, cloudy skies, and more!

I honestly can't tell if you're actually dumb or just playing dumb for political points

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Anonymous wrote:I haven't read this whole thread. Just wanted to ask: so it is NEVER ok to call a black kid a monkey? Intent does not matter at all??

Does that not seem silly to you? I mean, if a 3 year old sees a black kid hanging off the monkey bars and calls him a monkey, that is racist, even though said 3 year old would have called anyone in that context a monkey and clearly meant it in a cute/endearing way?

Yep, it is never ok.

And we know that kids or people in general do not go around calling each other monkey in the U.S., it is just not done, and yes all you moms are not calling your kids monkey.

I'm sorry... what? I call my kids monkeys ALL the time. Like multiple times every single week.

It is never ok to call a black kid a monkey.

Ok cool. My kids aren't black (they also aren't white). But it's very common to playfully call your kids monkeys.

I call my kids space aliens all the time! I also frequent call them crooked trees, pot-holed roads, cloudy skies, and more!

I honestly can't tell if you're actually dumb or just playing dumb for political points

Stay dumbfounded.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I’m not sure how to say this in an inoffensive way but I’ll try . . .

It could very well be a cultural thing without any ill intent. Latinos simply do not have the same, shall we say, sensitivities when it comes to these kinds of things. They will refer to others in Spanish by references to race, weight, and other physical attributes and mean nothing of it. If your eyes are even slightly slanted, for example, your nickname will often be “Chino.” I could go on.

All I’m saying is that you really shouldn’t place much stock in what a 9 or 10 year old Salvadoran kid might say. It’s just a different way of thinking than native born Americans are accustomed to.

Yes, imported racism and colorism? Why does that fact that a Latino is being racist make it ok, just because as you say, it is part of their culture?

I’m not going to argue with you about this. I’m merely stating a fact about Latino culture from someone who knows it well. My point stands: there’s a different level of sensitivity in Latino culture when it comes to these things, and it doesn’t necessarily mean it’s a more racist or colorist culture in the pejorative sense.

I agree with this being accurate - it IS different how other cultures talk about race, weight etc. East Asians have no problem for example calling someone fat - even their own kids, whereas amongst Americans that's not done . That being said this child is in the US now and needs to recognize that he can't be doing this in public even if that's how they talk at home. So IDK maybe tell the teacher - maybe the whole class needs some gentle education on the fact that you don't mock unchangeable things about people?

Calling someone a "monkey" does not fall into this category, as no human looks truly like a monkey. Calling someone a money is always a racial slur. Non-white immigrants can't just easily explain away any racism among them by saying this just what we do, it is our culture.

Some humans do have monkey face.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I haven't read this whole thread. Just wanted to ask: so it is NEVER ok to call a black kid a monkey? Intent does not matter at all??

Does that not seem silly to you? I mean, if a 3 year old sees a black kid hanging off the monkey bars and calls him a monkey, that is racist, even though said 3 year old would have called anyone in that context a monkey and clearly meant it in a cute/endearing way?

Yep, it is never ok.

And we know that kids or people in general do not go around calling each other monkey in the U.S., it is just not done, and yes all you moms are not calling your kids monkey.

What?!? I’m white and call my white kids monkeys all the time. Monkey is a super common term for a kid. “Stop monkeying around” is a popular phrase even. Do black parents just not use that phrase?

And if you aren’t using common animals like monkeys you’re letting the racists win. I’ll say the elephant into the room- black people don’t look like monkeys.

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Anonymous wrote:I haven't read this whole thread. Just wanted to ask: so it is NEVER ok to call a black kid a monkey? Intent does not matter at all??

Does that not seem silly to you? I mean, if a 3 year old sees a black kid hanging off the monkey bars and calls him a monkey, that is racist, even though said 3 year old would have called anyone in that context a monkey and clearly meant it in a cute/endearing way?

Yep, it is never ok.

And we know that kids or people in general do not go around calling each other monkey in the U.S., it is just not done, and yes all you moms are not calling your kids monkey.

What?!? I’m white and call my white kids monkeys all the time. Monkey is a super common term for a kid. “Stop monkeying around” is a popular phrase even. Do black parents just not use that phrase?

And if you aren’t using common animals like monkeys you’re letting the racists win. I’ll say the elephant into the room- black people don’t look like monkeys.

As someone who is multilingual and from an immigrant family I promise this is also international. Every language I have ever heard anyone parent in, they call their kids monkeys. Very confused by whoever is trying to deny the obvious.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:So honest question. What do you want to happen to the racist kid? To his parents? Who should do it?

Ha ha as if we are going to answer this question dripping with judgment and disgust towards the victims of racism.

WUT?

Seriously, what do you want to happen next wrt the Hispanic kid and parents? What is the school or whoever ideally going to do.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:So honest question. What do you want to happen to the racist kid? To his parents? Who should do it?

Ha ha as if we are going to answer this question dripping with judgment and disgust towards the victims of racism.

WUT?

Seriously, what do you want to happen next wrt the Hispanic kid and parents? What is the school or whoever ideally going to do.

I said what I said--"Ha ha as if we are going to answer this question dripping with judgment and disgust towards the victims of racism"

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In my opinion, it is quite obvious when someone means something as a racial slur or as an innocent comment. I do not support statements like "you should never call (someone) (something) because it is racist" just because some racists way back used it as a slur. That seems just genuinely crazy to me. Monkey not like chink or whatever other term where there is really no innocuous interpretation. Many parents and kids call each other monkeys, so I think context really matters here. I can absolutely see someone intending this to be a slur but I would think it would be super obvious in context.

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Anonymous wrote:In my opinion, it is quite obvious when someone means something as a racial slur or as an innocent comment. I do not support statements like "you should never call (someone) (something) because it is racist" just because some racists way back used it as a slur. That seems just genuinely crazy to me. Monkey not like chink or whatever other term where there is really no innocuous interpretation. Many parents and kids call each other monkeys, so I think context really matters here. I can absolutely see someone intending this to be a slur but I would think it would be super obvious in context.

This hot take is off topic to OPs post discussing the fact that her son was called a racist slur.

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That’s a very derogatory term.
I’d speak w that child’s parents.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:That’s a very derogatory term.
I’d speak w that child’s parents.

Good an answer.
If it's reported to school, school can talk to them. Explain if they didn't grow up here that it's more than just not cool to say, it should not be said and ask them to talk to kid or reinforce what school tells kid.

Was that so hard, dripping troll?

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Anonymous wrote:So honest question. What do you want to happen to the racist kid? To his parents? Who should do it?

Ha ha as if we are going to answer this question dripping with judgment and disgust towards the victims of racism.

WUT?

Seriously, what do you want to happen next wrt the Hispanic kid and parents? What is the school or whoever ideally going to do.

I said what I said--"Ha ha as if we are going to answer this question dripping with judgment and disgust towards the victims of racism"

YOU apparently know why asking is bad. Because YOU know what the consequences should be.

You're just too awesome for words.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:That’s a very derogatory term.
I’d speak w that child’s parents.

Good an answer.
If it's reported to school, school can talk to them. Explain if they didn't grow up here that it's more than just not cool to say, it should not be said and ask them to talk to kid or reinforce what school tells kid.

Was that so hard, dripping troll?

I’m 18:29
I agree w also including the teacher/school

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:That’s a very derogatory term.
I’d speak w that child’s parents.

In Spanish

[Anonymous]

Stop this ride. I want out.

Things that are now off limits to say:

“Monkey see, monkey do”
“Monkey business”
“10 little monkeys jumping on a bed”
All of Curious George
“Stop monkeying around”
“I’ll be a monkey’s uncle”

Because kids might misunderstand. Because kids misunderstand just about anything because they haven’t learned anything yet.

Just ask a teacher all the wild things children have misunderstood. Just in my class, kids have thought: that soda was alcohol, so if I was drinking a Diet Coke it meant I was drunk; that a teacher retiring from her job meant she was about to die; that being sent to the principal’s office meant you were arrested and went to jail… these were 3rd graders.