Hate towards H1-B visa holders

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Here's my proposal:

1. Create a central jobs clearinghouse site, under the supervision of DOL and USCIS -

Mandatory Job Posting: Before submitting an application to bring employees in via requesting visas, companies must first post the job on this clearinghouse, which would include detailed job descriptions, requirements, salary information, and benefits.

Public Access: The clearinghouse should be publicly accessible so that job seekers, particularly American workers, can review the opportunities and apply directly before any visa is granted.

Standardized Job Description & Salary Requirements: The government could set guidelines for how job postings should be formatted, ensuring that the job description, qualifications, and salary are clearly defined and in line with industry norms.

2. Use AI and human review to ensure oversight and appropriateness -

AI Integration: AI could analyze job postings and compare them to industry standards, adjusting for region, company size, and job complexity. This would allow the system to flag positions that appear underpaid relative to market norms for similar roles, especially for technical positions in the STEM field.

Human Oversight: Given the complexity of job roles and salary variations across regions, a combination of AI and human reviewers would be necessary. Human experts in labor economics and industry trends would be required to verify edge cases and ensure that the algorithm’s recommendations are sound.

3. Ensure jobs are not fillable by American workers -

Minimum Posting Period: To implement this, companies could be required to post the job for a minimum period (e.g., 30 to 90 days) on the clearinghouse. During this time, the system could track applications and attempts to fill the position with U.S. workers.

American Worker Proof: Companies would need to demonstrate that they made reasonable efforts to recruit U.S. workers (e.g., interviews, job offers) before resorting to visa applications. The clearinghouse could facilitate this by collecting application data and allowing U.S. citizens to apply before visa applications are processed.

4. Factor in layoffs and other scenarios -

Layoff Reporting: Companies could be required to report any layoffs and the number of affected workers, which could be tracked against their visa employee count.

Visa Reduction in Line with Layoffs: If a company downsizes, the number of visa workers should ideally be adjusted downwards as well. For instance, if a company lays off a significant portion of its U.S. workforce, the number of visa holders employed at the company might need to be reduced, or visa renewals should be denied.

In addition to this system, we should also do the following:

Strengthen Labor Market Testing: One potential addition to your idea would be to make labor market testing (the process where companies demonstrate that they couldn't find qualified U.S. workers) more rigorous, including interviewing a more diverse set of candidates.

Wage Floor for Visa Workers: Another idea could be to impose a minimum wage requirement for visa holders, based on regional cost of living and the prevailing wage for the occupation. This would directly address concerns that companies use visa workers to undercut U.S. wages.

Expand STEM Education: A long-term solution might involve expanding STEM education programs to ensure a more robust pipeline of U.S. workers qualified for these roles. It would help mitigate the demand for foreign workers in the first place.

This is sensible, it is viable, and it is doable. Take this up with your members of Congress.

So funny. You’re assuming that Elon and Trump actually care about American workers.

Yeah, basically Elon, Trump and Vivek are saying white Americans in tech are DEI hires.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Here's my proposal:

1. Create a central jobs clearinghouse site, under the supervision of DOL and USCIS -

Mandatory Job Posting: Before submitting an application to bring employees in via requesting visas, companies must first post the job on this clearinghouse, which would include detailed job descriptions, requirements, salary information, and benefits.

Public Access: The clearinghouse should be publicly accessible so that job seekers, particularly American workers, can review the opportunities and apply directly before any visa is granted.

Standardized Job Description & Salary Requirements: The government could set guidelines for how job postings should be formatted, ensuring that the job description, qualifications, and salary are clearly defined and in line with industry norms.

2. Use AI and human review to ensure oversight and appropriateness -

AI Integration: AI could analyze job postings and compare them to industry standards, adjusting for region, company size, and job complexity. This would allow the system to flag positions that appear underpaid relative to market norms for similar roles, especially for technical positions in the STEM field.

Human Oversight: Given the complexity of job roles and salary variations across regions, a combination of AI and human reviewers would be necessary. Human experts in labor economics and industry trends would be required to verify edge cases and ensure that the algorithm’s recommendations are sound.

3. Ensure jobs are not fillable by American workers -

Minimum Posting Period: To implement this, companies could be required to post the job for a minimum period (e.g., 30 to 90 days) on the clearinghouse. During this time, the system could track applications and attempts to fill the position with U.S. workers.

American Worker Proof: Companies would need to demonstrate that they made reasonable efforts to recruit U.S. workers (e.g., interviews, job offers) before resorting to visa applications. The clearinghouse could facilitate this by collecting application data and allowing U.S. citizens to apply before visa applications are processed.

4. Factor in layoffs and other scenarios -

Layoff Reporting: Companies could be required to report any layoffs and the number of affected workers, which could be tracked against their visa employee count.

Visa Reduction in Line with Layoffs: If a company downsizes, the number of visa workers should ideally be adjusted downwards as well. For instance, if a company lays off a significant portion of its U.S. workforce, the number of visa holders employed at the company might need to be reduced, or visa renewals should be denied.

In addition to this system, we should also do the following:

Strengthen Labor Market Testing: One potential addition to your idea would be to make labor market testing (the process where companies demonstrate that they couldn't find qualified U.S. workers) more rigorous, including interviewing a more diverse set of candidates.

Wage Floor for Visa Workers: Another idea could be to impose a minimum wage requirement for visa holders, based on regional cost of living and the prevailing wage for the occupation. This would directly address concerns that companies use visa workers to undercut U.S. wages.

Expand STEM Education: A long-term solution might involve expanding STEM education programs to ensure a more robust pipeline of U.S. workers qualified for these roles. It would help mitigate the demand for foreign workers in the first place.

This is sensible, it is viable, and it is doable. Take this up with your members of Congress.

So funny. You’re assuming that Elon and Trump actually care about American workers.

Yeah, basically Elon, Trump and Vivek are saying white Americans in tech are DEI hires.

No they aren’t. They are saying that foreign labor can be exploited for less cost than an American.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Here's my proposal:

1. Create a central jobs clearinghouse site, under the supervision of DOL and USCIS -

Mandatory Job Posting: Before submitting an application to bring employees in via requesting visas, companies must first post the job on this clearinghouse, which would include detailed job descriptions, requirements, salary information, and benefits.

Public Access: The clearinghouse should be publicly accessible so that job seekers, particularly American workers, can review the opportunities and apply directly before any visa is granted.

Standardized Job Description & Salary Requirements: The government could set guidelines for how job postings should be formatted, ensuring that the job description, qualifications, and salary are clearly defined and in line with industry norms.

2. Use AI and human review to ensure oversight and appropriateness -

AI Integration: AI could analyze job postings and compare them to industry standards, adjusting for region, company size, and job complexity. This would allow the system to flag positions that appear underpaid relative to market norms for similar roles, especially for technical positions in the STEM field.

Human Oversight: Given the complexity of job roles and salary variations across regions, a combination of AI and human reviewers would be necessary. Human experts in labor economics and industry trends would be required to verify edge cases and ensure that the algorithm’s recommendations are sound.

3. Ensure jobs are not fillable by American workers -

Minimum Posting Period: To implement this, companies could be required to post the job for a minimum period (e.g., 30 to 90 days) on the clearinghouse. During this time, the system could track applications and attempts to fill the position with U.S. workers.

American Worker Proof: Companies would need to demonstrate that they made reasonable efforts to recruit U.S. workers (e.g., interviews, job offers) before resorting to visa applications. The clearinghouse could facilitate this by collecting application data and allowing U.S. citizens to apply before visa applications are processed.

4. Factor in layoffs and other scenarios -

Layoff Reporting: Companies could be required to report any layoffs and the number of affected workers, which could be tracked against their visa employee count.

Visa Reduction in Line with Layoffs: If a company downsizes, the number of visa workers should ideally be adjusted downwards as well. For instance, if a company lays off a significant portion of its U.S. workforce, the number of visa holders employed at the company might need to be reduced, or visa renewals should be denied.

In addition to this system, we should also do the following:

Strengthen Labor Market Testing: One potential addition to your idea would be to make labor market testing (the process where companies demonstrate that they couldn't find qualified U.S. workers) more rigorous, including interviewing a more diverse set of candidates.

Wage Floor for Visa Workers: Another idea could be to impose a minimum wage requirement for visa holders, based on regional cost of living and the prevailing wage for the occupation. This would directly address concerns that companies use visa workers to undercut U.S. wages.

Expand STEM Education: A long-term solution might involve expanding STEM education programs to ensure a more robust pipeline of U.S. workers qualified for these roles. It would help mitigate the demand for foreign workers in the first place.

This is sensible, it is viable, and it is doable. Take this up with your members of Congress.

So funny. You’re assuming that Elon and Trump actually care about American workers.

Yeah, basically Elon, Trump and Vivek are saying white Americans in tech are DEI hires.

No they aren’t. They are saying that foreign labor can be exploited for less cost than an American.

They also see American tech workers as competition.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Here's my proposal:

1. Create a central jobs clearinghouse site, under the supervision of DOL and USCIS -

Mandatory Job Posting: Before submitting an application to bring employees in via requesting visas, companies must first post the job on this clearinghouse, which would include detailed job descriptions, requirements, salary information, and benefits.

Public Access: The clearinghouse should be publicly accessible so that job seekers, particularly American workers, can review the opportunities and apply directly before any visa is granted.

Standardized Job Description & Salary Requirements: The government could set guidelines for how job postings should be formatted, ensuring that the job description, qualifications, and salary are clearly defined and in line with industry norms.

2. Use AI and human review to ensure oversight and appropriateness -

AI Integration: AI could analyze job postings and compare them to industry standards, adjusting for region, company size, and job complexity. This would allow the system to flag positions that appear underpaid relative to market norms for similar roles, especially for technical positions in the STEM field.

Human Oversight: Given the complexity of job roles and salary variations across regions, a combination of AI and human reviewers would be necessary. Human experts in labor economics and industry trends would be required to verify edge cases and ensure that the algorithm’s recommendations are sound.

3. Ensure jobs are not fillable by American workers -

Minimum Posting Period: To implement this, companies could be required to post the job for a minimum period (e.g., 30 to 90 days) on the clearinghouse. During this time, the system could track applications and attempts to fill the position with U.S. workers.

American Worker Proof: Companies would need to demonstrate that they made reasonable efforts to recruit U.S. workers (e.g., interviews, job offers) before resorting to visa applications. The clearinghouse could facilitate this by collecting application data and allowing U.S. citizens to apply before visa applications are processed.

4. Factor in layoffs and other scenarios -

Layoff Reporting: Companies could be required to report any layoffs and the number of affected workers, which could be tracked against their visa employee count.

Visa Reduction in Line with Layoffs: If a company downsizes, the number of visa workers should ideally be adjusted downwards as well. For instance, if a company lays off a significant portion of its U.S. workforce, the number of visa holders employed at the company might need to be reduced, or visa renewals should be denied.

In addition to this system, we should also do the following:

Strengthen Labor Market Testing: One potential addition to your idea would be to make labor market testing (the process where companies demonstrate that they couldn't find qualified U.S. workers) more rigorous, including interviewing a more diverse set of candidates.

Wage Floor for Visa Workers: Another idea could be to impose a minimum wage requirement for visa holders, based on regional cost of living and the prevailing wage for the occupation. This would directly address concerns that companies use visa workers to undercut U.S. wages.

Expand STEM Education: A long-term solution might involve expanding STEM education programs to ensure a more robust pipeline of U.S. workers qualified for these roles. It would help mitigate the demand for foreign workers in the first place.

This is sensible, it is viable, and it is doable. Take this up with your members of Congress.

So funny. You’re assuming that Elon and Trump actually care about American workers.

Yeah, basically Elon, Trump and Vivek are saying white Americans in tech are DEI hires.

No they aren’t. They are saying that foreign labor can be exploited for less cost than an American.

Yes, this. These visa holders on average earn $20-30k less a year than Americans from my discussions with coworkers on these visas. I am not against these visas but they should be paid the same as Americans.

[Anonymous]

There are companies that sell these visas.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Here's my proposal:

1. Create a central jobs clearinghouse site, under the supervision of DOL and USCIS -

Mandatory Job Posting: Before submitting an application to bring employees in via requesting visas, companies must first post the job on this clearinghouse, which would include detailed job descriptions, requirements, salary information, and benefits.

Public Access: The clearinghouse should be publicly accessible so that job seekers, particularly American workers, can review the opportunities and apply directly before any visa is granted.

Standardized Job Description & Salary Requirements: The government could set guidelines for how job postings should be formatted, ensuring that the job description, qualifications, and salary are clearly defined and in line with industry norms.

2. Use AI and human review to ensure oversight and appropriateness -

AI Integration: AI could analyze job postings and compare them to industry standards, adjusting for region, company size, and job complexity. This would allow the system to flag positions that appear underpaid relative to market norms for similar roles, especially for technical positions in the STEM field.

Human Oversight: Given the complexity of job roles and salary variations across regions, a combination of AI and human reviewers would be necessary. Human experts in labor economics and industry trends would be required to verify edge cases and ensure that the algorithm’s recommendations are sound.

3. Ensure jobs are not fillable by American workers -

Minimum Posting Period: To implement this, companies could be required to post the job for a minimum period (e.g., 30 to 90 days) on the clearinghouse. During this time, the system could track applications and attempts to fill the position with U.S. workers.

American Worker Proof: Companies would need to demonstrate that they made reasonable efforts to recruit U.S. workers (e.g., interviews, job offers) before resorting to visa applications. The clearinghouse could facilitate this by collecting application data and allowing U.S. citizens to apply before visa applications are processed.

4. Factor in layoffs and other scenarios -

Layoff Reporting: Companies could be required to report any layoffs and the number of affected workers, which could be tracked against their visa employee count.

Visa Reduction in Line with Layoffs: If a company downsizes, the number of visa workers should ideally be adjusted downwards as well. For instance, if a company lays off a significant portion of its U.S. workforce, the number of visa holders employed at the company might need to be reduced, or visa renewals should be denied.

In addition to this system, we should also do the following:

Strengthen Labor Market Testing: One potential addition to your idea would be to make labor market testing (the process where companies demonstrate that they couldn't find qualified U.S. workers) more rigorous, including interviewing a more diverse set of candidates.

Wage Floor for Visa Workers: Another idea could be to impose a minimum wage requirement for visa holders, based on regional cost of living and the prevailing wage for the occupation. This would directly address concerns that companies use visa workers to undercut U.S. wages.

Expand STEM Education: A long-term solution might involve expanding STEM education programs to ensure a more robust pipeline of U.S. workers qualified for these roles. It would help mitigate the demand for foreign workers in the first place.

This is sensible, it is viable, and it is doable. Take this up with your members of Congress.

So funny. You’re assuming that Elon and Trump actually care about American workers.

Yeah, basically Elon, Trump and Vivek are saying white Americans in tech are DEI hires.

No they aren’t. They are saying that foreign labor can be exploited for less cost than an American.

Yes, this. These visa holders on average earn $20-30k less a year than Americans from my discussions with coworkers on these visas. I am not against these visas but they should be paid the same as Americans.

The only reason this program is desired by the oligarchs is because the cost savings creates downward pressure on wages. Pay them the same and this program will disappear.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This program was abused long time ago, Trump put a lid on it limiting visas in 2016. This isn’t new. I suppose we will have to see if the program is revived and revised in a more beneficial way and to create more jobs not to replace labor we have.

This will determine the cities of our stem education as kids will simply forgo these careers altogether if they don’t pay more than jobs with easier majors. Brain drain will be real and here in the US, not in the countries bleeding their workers. I worked in the field for 25 years and hate it, my kids are discouraged from it already based on my experience.

Every industry has issues. Parent lawyers don't want their kids to become lawyers; it's soul crushing. Doctors are having to deal with insurance companies, and now red state policies that hamper their ability to take care of patients.

For now, the US is the best place to start businesses, so I'm not yet worried about the brain drain.

I do think that the anti-education and anti-immigrant movement of the MAGA crowd will turn off a lot of highly skilled educated foreigners from coming here. These are people who take part in research which fuels new businesses. And no, we cannot train Americans to take their place. No amount of training can compensate for truly gifted and smart people. I think there was an increase of STEM professionals choosing to go to other countries like Canada than the US when Trump was electedi n 2016. I know MAGA don't like to admit it, but a lot of the high tech companies were started by immigrants or children of recent immigrants.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Here's my proposal:

1. Create a central jobs clearinghouse site, under the supervision of DOL and USCIS -

Mandatory Job Posting: Before submitting an application to bring employees in via requesting visas, companies must first post the job on this clearinghouse, which would include detailed job descriptions, requirements, salary information, and benefits.

Public Access: The clearinghouse should be publicly accessible so that job seekers, particularly American workers, can review the opportunities and apply directly before any visa is granted.

Standardized Job Description & Salary Requirements: The government could set guidelines for how job postings should be formatted, ensuring that the job description, qualifications, and salary are clearly defined and in line with industry norms.

2. Use AI and human review to ensure oversight and appropriateness -

AI Integration: AI could analyze job postings and compare them to industry standards, adjusting for region, company size, and job complexity. This would allow the system to flag positions that appear underpaid relative to market norms for similar roles, especially for technical positions in the STEM field.

Human Oversight: Given the complexity of job roles and salary variations across regions, a combination of AI and human reviewers would be necessary. Human experts in labor economics and industry trends would be required to verify edge cases and ensure that the algorithm’s recommendations are sound.

3. Ensure jobs are not fillable by American workers -

Minimum Posting Period: To implement this, companies could be required to post the job for a minimum period (e.g., 30 to 90 days) on the clearinghouse. During this time, the system could track applications and attempts to fill the position with U.S. workers.

American Worker Proof: Companies would need to demonstrate that they made reasonable efforts to recruit U.S. workers (e.g., interviews, job offers) before resorting to visa applications. The clearinghouse could facilitate this by collecting application data and allowing U.S. citizens to apply before visa applications are processed.

4. Factor in layoffs and other scenarios -

Layoff Reporting: Companies could be required to report any layoffs and the number of affected workers, which could be tracked against their visa employee count.

Visa Reduction in Line with Layoffs: If a company downsizes, the number of visa workers should ideally be adjusted downwards as well. For instance, if a company lays off a significant portion of its U.S. workforce, the number of visa holders employed at the company might need to be reduced, or visa renewals should be denied.

In addition to this system, we should also do the following:

Strengthen Labor Market Testing: One potential addition to your idea would be to make labor market testing (the process where companies demonstrate that they couldn't find qualified U.S. workers) more rigorous, including interviewing a more diverse set of candidates.

Wage Floor for Visa Workers: Another idea could be to impose a minimum wage requirement for visa holders, based on regional cost of living and the prevailing wage for the occupation. This would directly address concerns that companies use visa workers to undercut U.S. wages.

Expand STEM Education: A long-term solution might involve expanding STEM education programs to ensure a more robust pipeline of U.S. workers qualified for these roles. It would help mitigate the demand for foreign workers in the first place.

This is sensible, it is viable, and it is doable. Take this up with your members of Congress.

So funny. You’re assuming that Elon and Trump actually care about American workers.

Yeah, basically Elon, Trump and Vivek are saying white Americans in tech are DEI hires.

No they aren’t. They are saying that foreign labor can be exploited for less cost than an American.

Yes, this. These visa holders on average earn $20-30k less a year than Americans from my discussions with coworkers on these visas. I am not against these visas but they should be paid the same as Americans.

The only reason this program is desired by the oligarchs is because the cost savings creates downward pressure on wages. Pay them the same and this program will disappear.

that's the same will illegal immigration. The only reason illegal immigrants come here is because they know someone will give them a job, jobs in agriculture, construction, hospitality... many owned by Rs. There's a high demand for low skilled cheap labor.

Kill the demand, and the supply will dry out.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Indians and Chinese are far brighter than Americans anyway. No biggie; they can stay home and outpace the US from there.

lol. You wish.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This program was abused long time ago, Trump put a lid on it limiting visas in 2016. This isn’t new. I suppose we will have to see if the program is revived and revised in a more beneficial way and to create more jobs not to replace labor we have.

This will determine the cities of our stem education as kids will simply forgo these careers altogether if they don’t pay more than jobs with easier majors. Brain drain will be real and here in the US, not in the countries bleeding their workers. I worked in the field for 25 years and hate it, my kids are discouraged from it already based on my experience.

Every industry has issues. Parent lawyers don't want their kids to become lawyers; it's soul crushing. Doctors are having to deal with insurance companies, and now red state policies that hamper their ability to take care of patients.

For now, the US is the best place to start businesses, so I'm not yet worried about the brain drain.

I do think that the anti-education and anti-immigrant movement of the MAGA crowd will turn off a lot of highly skilled educated foreigners from coming here. These are people who take part in research which fuels new businesses. And no, we cannot train Americans to take their place. No amount of training can compensate for truly gifted and smart people. I think there was an increase of STEM professionals choosing to go to other countries like Canada than the US when Trump was electedi n 2016. I know MAGA don't like to admit it, but a lot of the high tech companies were started by immigrants or children of recent immigrants.

But sadly this isn't about skilled labor. It's about importing cheap labor to cut US wages.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There is a raging attack on H1-B visa holders, highly skilled immigrants on Twitter right now. MAGA is roasting Elon and Ramaswammy for their support of the inflow of highly skilled immigrants in the country.

I cannot believe this is even an argument. People are so dumb.

I am an Indian American and my DH works in tech so I am quite familiar with the complexities of this topic. This issue is not simple, there is a genuine shortage of competent IT professionals, I am supportive of H1-B if they are bringing in engineers from IIT s( elite engineering schools in India, IITians command 100k salaries in India), bringing in IIT would truly mean bringing the “best and the brightest”, U.S can benefit tremendously from this IMO.

However, more often than not this is not the case, corporations are interested in bringing in the cheapest talent possible not the best and brightest, so this drives the wages down. Also, I truly feel we have plenty of talent here in the USA, they need to work on supporting our own talent rather than importing talent so corporations can benefit.

As for the hate, this is not new. People should hate the corporations that are enriching themselves over the backs of these people but as always it’s easier to hate brown people rather than take it up with powers that be.

My ex worked in SV and was often the only white guy (though descended from Jewish immigrants) in high level software engineer/tech companies. He supported more immigration for high skilled labor. So yes to that.

I have no idea how H1-B is used in reality though.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Ramaswamy's vision of raising children revolves around math cram schools, no sleepovers, no cartoons. Instead of doing sports kids are supposed to go to science competitions and study more math.

Let's see how having a no sports culture is doing for India. There were 89 countries in the Paris Olympics who won medals. India had the fewest medals per capita of all those 89 countries. They only managed to win 6 medals (and not even one gold medal) with a population of over a billion people. That is one measly medal for every 234,000,000 people. The United States won 126 medals which is one or every 2,600,0000. In the 2020 Tokyo Olympics India won 1 medal.

Why don't Musk and Ramaswamy understand people want well rounded citizens who aren't specializing in high school and are taking AP English and APUSH in addition to STEM classes and playing sports. So it takes then a year or two more to catch up with someone from another country who don't value being well rounded.

Which engineer would you rather hire? Someone who has school spirit like Daniel from Cal Berkeley who is a sophomore civil engineering student who shows up at 11:40 at night to attend an ESPN Game Day show at Cal before a football game, and who can then kick a field goal and win 100,000 for himself and $100,000 for hurricane victims OR someone who has no idea what football is even about and never goes to a college football game because they are a recluse in their dorms?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hPPxefQTLV4

They’d hire the better engineer. Nobody gives a add crap whether an employee is “well rounded” or played high school football.

You missed the point, the civil engineering student never played football before kicking that field goal on national TV in a pair of old Vans shoes. But he did play other sports.

The better engineer for a US company is one who is academically capable but who can also work with others, has team spirit for a team he doesn't even play on and can cheer them on, can figure out how to perform a novel task. Who ends up in the UC Berkeley engineering magazine? One of Ramaswamy or Musk's guys who are solely focused on academics and go from class to lab/library/dorm? Or someone who never had to take any general electives in college outside of STEM? I suppose Musk would never want to hire this student because he has social skills and might advocate for better working conditions and pay.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Here's my proposal:

1. Create a central jobs clearinghouse site, under the supervision of DOL and USCIS -

Mandatory Job Posting: Before submitting an application to bring employees in via requesting visas, companies must first post the job on this clearinghouse, which would include detailed job descriptions, requirements, salary information, and benefits.

Public Access: The clearinghouse should be publicly accessible so that job seekers, particularly American workers, can review the opportunities and apply directly before any visa is granted.

Standardized Job Description & Salary Requirements: The government could set guidelines for how job postings should be formatted, ensuring that the job description, qualifications, and salary are clearly defined and in line with industry norms.

2. Use AI and human review to ensure oversight and appropriateness -

AI Integration: AI could analyze job postings and compare them to industry standards, adjusting for region, company size, and job complexity. This would allow the system to flag positions that appear underpaid relative to market norms for similar roles, especially for technical positions in the STEM field.

Human Oversight: Given the complexity of job roles and salary variations across regions, a combination of AI and human reviewers would be necessary. Human experts in labor economics and industry trends would be required to verify edge cases and ensure that the algorithm’s recommendations are sound.

3. Ensure jobs are not fillable by American workers -

Minimum Posting Period: To implement this, companies could be required to post the job for a minimum period (e.g., 30 to 90 days) on the clearinghouse. During this time, the system could track applications and attempts to fill the position with U.S. workers.

American Worker Proof: Companies would need to demonstrate that they made reasonable efforts to recruit U.S. workers (e.g., interviews, job offers) before resorting to visa applications. The clearinghouse could facilitate this by collecting application data and allowing U.S. citizens to apply before visa applications are processed.

4. Factor in layoffs and other scenarios -

Layoff Reporting: Companies could be required to report any layoffs and the number of affected workers, which could be tracked against their visa employee count.

Visa Reduction in Line with Layoffs: If a company downsizes, the number of visa workers should ideally be adjusted downwards as well. For instance, if a company lays off a significant portion of its U.S. workforce, the number of visa holders employed at the company might need to be reduced, or visa renewals should be denied.

In addition to this system, we should also do the following:

Strengthen Labor Market Testing: One potential addition to your idea would be to make labor market testing (the process where companies demonstrate that they couldn't find qualified U.S. workers) more rigorous, including interviewing a more diverse set of candidates.

Wage Floor for Visa Workers: Another idea could be to impose a minimum wage requirement for visa holders, based on regional cost of living and the prevailing wage for the occupation. This would directly address concerns that companies use visa workers to undercut U.S. wages.

Expand STEM Education: A long-term solution might involve expanding STEM education programs to ensure a more robust pipeline of U.S. workers qualified for these roles. It would help mitigate the demand for foreign workers in the first place.

This is sensible, it is viable, and it is doable. Take this up with your members of Congress.

So funny. You’re assuming that Elon and Trump actually care about American workers.

Yeah, basically Elon, Trump and Vivek are saying white Americans in tech are DEI hires.

No they aren’t. They are saying that foreign labor can be exploited for less cost than an American.[/quote

White Americans in tech are second-class citizens.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Indians and Chinese are far brighter than Americans anyway. No biggie; they can stay home and outpace the US from there.

lol. You wish.

Chinese and Indians aren't "brighter" than Americans. The Chinese and Indians who come to the US are mostly the best and brightest fraction of the top 1% that India and China have.

[Anonymous]

It doesn't matter what anyone thinks. Musk owns you. Whatever he says will be. I'm pretty sure he thinks Indians and Chinese are both smarter and cheaper.