Biden commutes all but 3 federal death sentences

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Anonymous wrote:Death penalty costs taxpayers more than life w/o parole. Biden saved us money AND did the civilized thing. Win, win.


Just going to ignore that the death penalty is expensive because death penalty opponents make it so?

If the goal is to make things cheaper then we could start with all the resources put into defending horrendous criminals who already received due process.


Every legal mechanism should be available in death penalty cases. If there is a mistake at any step you can’t just undo it. So yeah I fully support legal challenges.

And being provided a defense is a constitutional right.


At trial. And to meet rather low due process standards on appeal. Nothing actually requires the decades of legal process before execution. Again - look at Texas.
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Anonymous wrote:Who were the 3 people he did not commute their death sentences?


Dylan Roof, who killed several people in a South Carolina church, the Boston marathon bomber, and the shooter who killed people at the synagogue in Pittsburgh.


It seems like what made these three different is they were probably terrorism charges. Hard to disagree that terrorism should carry a maximum penalty.
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Anonymous wrote:Death penalty costs taxpayers more than life w/o parole. Biden saved us money AND did the civilized thing. Win, win.


Just going to ignore that the death penalty is expensive because death penalty opponents make it so?

If the goal is to make things cheaper then we could start with all the resources put into defending horrendous criminals who already received due process.


Every legal mechanism should be available in death penalty cases. If there is a mistake at any step you can’t just undo it. So yeah I fully support legal challenges.

And being provided a defense is a constitutional right.


At trial. And to meet rather low due process standards on appeal. Nothing actually requires the decades of legal process before execution. Again - look at Texas.


Texas has exonerated 50 people on death row.
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Anonymous wrote:Death penalty costs taxpayers more than life w/o parole. Biden saved us money AND did the civilized thing. Win, win.


Just going to ignore that the death penalty is expensive because death penalty opponents make it so?

If the goal is to make things cheaper then we could start with all the resources put into defending horrendous criminals who already received due process.


Every legal mechanism should be available in death penalty cases. If there is a mistake at any step you can’t just undo it. So yeah I fully support legal challenges.

And being provided a defense is a constitutional right.


At trial. And to meet rather low due process standards on appeal. Nothing actually requires the decades of legal process before execution. Again - look at Texas.


Texas has exonerated 50 people on death row.


Source?
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Anonymous wrote:
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Anonymous wrote:Death penalty costs taxpayers more than life w/o parole. Biden saved us money AND did the civilized thing. Win, win.


Just going to ignore that the death penalty is expensive because death penalty opponents make it so?

If the goal is to make things cheaper then we could start with all the resources put into defending horrendous criminals who already received due process.


Every legal mechanism should be available in death penalty cases. If there is a mistake at any step you can’t just undo it. So yeah I fully support legal challenges.

And being provided a defense is a constitutional right.


At trial. And to meet rather low due process standards on appeal. Nothing actually requires the decades of legal process before execution. Again - look at Texas.


Texas has exonerated 50 people on death row.


Also - do any of those whose sentences were commuted claim to be legally and factually innocent - worthy of exoneration?
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Anonymous wrote:This X thread has summaries of all the prisoners whose sentences were commuted.



None of those is as vile and depraved as trump.


So you think a guy that rapes 2 young girls to death isn't as vile as trump?
This is why people think you are the bad guys.

1. kidnap/murder/torture
2. carjacking, arson, 2 counts of murder
3. double homicide and the rape of a 12 year old
4. rape and murder
5. murder of postmistress and theft of mail
6. murder of a cellmate
7. murder of a cellmate
8. double homicide, bank robbery
9. white supremacist murder black man while in prison.
10. contract killing of a woman who filed a complaint against a cop.
11. prison murder of a snitch.
12. double homicide theft.
13. serial rape, kidnap, and there is still a 1 year old baby missing.
14. murder of 2 corrections officers to get the keys to the cell of another inmate, who they also murdered.
15. murder a mother and leaving the baby alone with the dead mom.
16. prison murder
17. murder, bank robbery
18. kidnap, rape, murder
19. multiple kidnap/murder.
20. bank robbery, murder
21. medicare fraud, murder
22. high level crack dealers
23. crack kingpin
24. murder for hire
25. murdering a family including a 3 year old and 4 year old
26. double homicide including a 12 year old
27. arson, killing a federal witness along with 5 other people.
28. burglary, kidnap murder
29. raping 2 little girls to death and raping a woman to death

Some of these involve multiple defendants (especially the prison murders tend to involve teamwork).


NP. When you say "This is why people think you are the bad guys.", who are you referring to specifically? I hope you mean internet trolls, specifically, because if it is a generalization about libs or Dems, you need to get off your soap box. That kind of demonization of a whole group of people makes you a bad guy. And part of the problem with this country right now.


Pot, meet kettle.


How so?
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Anonymous wrote:I am a conservative who WAS against the death penalty until I represented the families of murder victims. I still get uncomfortable with States taking lives. With that, Biden should have a day where all these victim families get to line up and tell them about their suffering. He will forget it the next day, but will be catharsis for the victims.


I have a family member who was murdered and I can tell you that the death penalty brings no closure. In our case the verdict was life without the possibility of parole. To me, this is a far worse than the death penalty. Two young men were looking at 50-60 years of their life with no hope of freedom. This also eliminates the 20 years of countless appeals before the death sentence is carried out.



Once they eliminate the death penalty they will come next for life with no parole, how cruel it is.


No. There are some people who just don't belong in society. I don't believe in the state-sponsored murder, but there has to be life with no parole in its place.


I dunno. In France the guy who let people rape his drugged wife hundreds of times only got 20 years because that it the max for rape. It didn’t matter that he did it hundreds of time. She was raped hundreds of times and it was orchestrated by her husband but he got 20 years. Soft on crime people don’t see things from the perspective of the victim. They are on the team of the victim. Or society for that matter.


That is a sentencing problem. If you believe people who commit rape should have longer sentences, we can discuss that. the topic at hand is commuting a death penalty to life in prison without parole. I am fine with the latter. The death penalty is more expensive, has never been shown to be a deterrent, and provides no recourse if a mistake is made. And life in prison with no hope of getting out is pretty terrible (and well deserved in some cases).
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Anonymous wrote:Ugh what a horrible thing to do. I'm anti death penalty but to lift everyone but 3 is senseless. Either you are against the concept or not. So all these other crimes can be forgiven? I feel bad for the families and all the people who had put in the work for getting justice. This is simply not the way to go about clemency and justice. Not by choosing which cases after a decision gets death penalty and not when the decision has been made to move forward.

The fact he thinks he's God to decide who gets saved is not about justice. This is exactly why Trump got voted in - this crap the Dems think is somehow a gift is exactly mortifying. There are people whose families were brutally murdered and now they will see no justice for their sufferings because one man decided it wasn't a bad enough crime! But oh - because he would be crucified over the letting go of more high profile crimes played out in the media, that means those murders can receive justice.

What a sham - makes me sick.



+100. #bidenppointed. Again.
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Death penalty costs taxpayers more than life w/o parole. Biden saved us money AND did the civilized thing. Win, win.


Just going to ignore that the death penalty is expensive because death penalty opponents make it so?

If the goal is to make things cheaper then we could start with all the resources put into defending horrendous criminals who already received due process.


Every legal mechanism should be available in death penalty cases. If there is a mistake at any step you can’t just undo it. So yeah I fully support legal challenges.

And being provided a defense is a constitutional right.


At trial. And to meet rather low due process standards on appeal. Nothing actually requires the decades of legal process before execution. Again - look at Texas.


Texas has exonerated 50 people on death row.


Also - do any of those whose sentences were commuted claim to be legally and factually innocent - worthy of exoneration?


Commuted and exonerated are two different things.
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Death penalty costs taxpayers more than life w/o parole. Biden saved us money AND did the civilized thing. Win, win.


Just going to ignore that the death penalty is expensive because death penalty opponents make it so?

If the goal is to make things cheaper then we could start with all the resources put into defending horrendous criminals who already received due process.


Every legal mechanism should be available in death penalty cases. If there is a mistake at any step you can’t just undo it. So yeah I fully support legal challenges.

And being provided a defense is a constitutional right.


At trial. And to meet rather low due process standards on appeal. Nothing actually requires the decades of legal process before execution. Again - look at Texas.


Texas has exonerated 50 people on death row.


Source?


Deathpenaltyinfo.org
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Anonymous wrote:I don't understand why he only kept the death penalty for 3 people who murdered victims who were not white Christians.



They were acts of terrorism.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Death penalty costs taxpayers more than life w/o parole. Biden saved us money AND did the civilized thing. Win, win.


Just going to ignore that the death penalty is expensive because death penalty opponents make it so?

If the goal is to make things cheaper then we could start with all the resources put into defending horrendous criminals who already received due process.


Every legal mechanism should be available in death penalty cases. If there is a mistake at any step you can’t just undo it. So yeah I fully support legal challenges.

And being provided a defense is a constitutional right.


Yeah, no. Innocence project will test the broom stick used to murder a victim when we know Ted Bundy did it. They’ll find the DNA of the victim and her 5 year old child on the broom stick that belonged to the victim to begin with, issue a press release that “two other sets of DNA were found on the murder weapon” and then launch years worth of appeals.

Yes, due process and legal challenge should be available to all. Especially in death penalty cases. But don’t come and tell the rest of us that the death penalty should be done away with BECAUSE lifetime incarceration is cheaper when it is you the death penalty opponent that is making it so, oftentimes (not always) in bad faith. That’s too cute by half.

I met a young true believer lawyer one time who had been brought aboard on a death penalty appellate case. The young lawyer was gushing about what an honor it was to be on the client’s team referring to him as “Mr. [Client].” I normally let this kind of thing go, but I had to point out to the junior the client was not worthy of the honorific “Mr.” There was zero doubt about the fact that he had sadistically and brutally murdered a vulnerable person for nothing more than the sport of it. He had joked about it on video and didn’t f. There was a very real and genuine issue about his fifth amendment rights and evidence that was introduced at the penalty phase of trial. It was a genuine issue that needed appellate review. The honor was in seeing the legal process carried out fairly in a just manner. Not in being on the team of the murderer. But far too often these anti-death penalty crusaders have lost touch with moral reality and are so hyper focused on the death penalty itself that they cut corners or act in bad faith or have just lost touch with reality. Not too different from the anti abortion zealots.

You can’t “undo a mistake” when someone is wrongfully incarcerated for twenty years, either. Are you suggesting we should get rid of all criminal penalties since you can’t “undo the mistake”?
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Anonymous wrote:I don’t know why he had to do this right before Christmas. All these poor families probably struggle with the holidays every single year and he just pour hot fresh pain into their hearts. He is such a scumbag. Such a morally bankrupt horrible man. Literally the complete opposite of the facade he pushed. Just a terrible man.


I know, I was thinking the same thing. No matter what you think about this, why couldn’t he have waited until after the holidays. The timing seems exceptionally cruel, almost deliberately so. It’s as if he hates the families of the victims and wants them to suffer.


You have a distorted perspective. These people are still going to live out their days and die in prison. They just won’t be killed by the government. It’s really nothing to get worked up about.



It is absolutely cruel to make the families of the victims deal with this right before the holidays. Biden could have waited until January and did not. He forced those poor families to have to grapple with this just before the holidays. It is grotesquely cruel behavior from Biden.
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Death penalty costs taxpayers more than life w/o parole. Biden saved us money AND did the civilized thing. Win, win.


Just going to ignore that the death penalty is expensive because death penalty opponents make it so?

If the goal is to make things cheaper then we could start with all the resources put into defending horrendous criminals who already received due process.


Every legal mechanism should be available in death penalty cases. If there is a mistake at any step you can’t just undo it. So yeah I fully support legal challenges.

And being provided a defense is a constitutional right.


At trial. And to meet rather low due process standards on appeal. Nothing actually requires the decades of legal process before execution. Again - look at Texas.


Texas has exonerated 50 people on death row.


Also - do any of those whose sentences were commuted claim to be legally and factually innocent - worthy of exoneration?


Commuted and exonerated are two different things.


Yes, big people are justifying Biden’s (or who ever is actually acting as President’s) actions by straw men arguments about court processes and innocent people being put to death. These 37 men are all guilty murderers.
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Anonymous wrote:I don’t know why he had to do this right before Christmas. All these poor families probably struggle with the holidays every single year and he just pour hot fresh pain into their hearts. He is such a scumbag. Such a morally bankrupt horrible man. Literally the complete opposite of the facade he pushed. Just a terrible man.


I know, I was thinking the same thing. No matter what you think about this, why couldn’t he have waited until after the holidays. The timing seems exceptionally cruel, almost deliberately so. It’s as if he hates the families of the victims and wants them to suffer.


You have a distorted perspective. These people are still going to live out their days and die in prison. They just won’t be killed by the government. It’s really nothing to get worked up about.



It is absolutely cruel to make the families of the victims deal with this right before the holidays. Biden could have waited until January and did not. He forced those poor families to have to grapple with this just before the holidays. It is grotesquely cruel behavior from Biden.


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