
At trial. And to meet rather low due process standards on appeal. Nothing actually requires the decades of legal process before execution. Again - look at Texas. |
It seems like what made these three different is they were probably terrorism charges. Hard to disagree that terrorism should carry a maximum penalty. |
Texas has exonerated 50 people on death row. |
Source? |
Also - do any of those whose sentences were commuted claim to be legally and factually innocent - worthy of exoneration? |
How so? |
That is a sentencing problem. If you believe people who commit rape should have longer sentences, we can discuss that. the topic at hand is commuting a death penalty to life in prison without parole. I am fine with the latter. The death penalty is more expensive, has never been shown to be a deterrent, and provides no recourse if a mistake is made. And life in prison with no hope of getting out is pretty terrible (and well deserved in some cases). |
+100. #bidenppointed. Again. |
Commuted and exonerated are two different things. |
Deathpenaltyinfo.org |
They were acts of terrorism. |
Yeah, no. Innocence project will test the broom stick used to murder a victim when we know Ted Bundy did it. They’ll find the DNA of the victim and her 5 year old child on the broom stick that belonged to the victim to begin with, issue a press release that “two other sets of DNA were found on the murder weapon” and then launch years worth of appeals. Yes, due process and legal challenge should be available to all. Especially in death penalty cases. But don’t come and tell the rest of us that the death penalty should be done away with BECAUSE lifetime incarceration is cheaper when it is you the death penalty opponent that is making it so, oftentimes (not always) in bad faith. That’s too cute by half. I met a young true believer lawyer one time who had been brought aboard on a death penalty appellate case. The young lawyer was gushing about what an honor it was to be on the client’s team referring to him as “Mr. [Client].” I normally let this kind of thing go, but I had to point out to the junior the client was not worthy of the honorific “Mr.” There was zero doubt about the fact that he had sadistically and brutally murdered a vulnerable person for nothing more than the sport of it. He had joked about it on video and didn’t f. There was a very real and genuine issue about his fifth amendment rights and evidence that was introduced at the penalty phase of trial. It was a genuine issue that needed appellate review. The honor was in seeing the legal process carried out fairly in a just manner. Not in being on the team of the murderer. But far too often these anti-death penalty crusaders have lost touch with moral reality and are so hyper focused on the death penalty itself that they cut corners or act in bad faith or have just lost touch with reality. Not too different from the anti abortion zealots. You can’t “undo a mistake” when someone is wrongfully incarcerated for twenty years, either. Are you suggesting we should get rid of all criminal penalties since you can’t “undo the mistake”? |
It is absolutely cruel to make the families of the victims deal with this right before the holidays. Biden could have waited until January and did not. He forced those poor families to have to grapple with this just before the holidays. It is grotesquely cruel behavior from Biden. |
Yes, big people are justifying Biden’s (or who ever is actually acting as President’s) actions by straw men arguments about court processes and innocent people being put to death. These 37 men are all guilty murderers. |
+1 |