Has the Coalition for TJ (or any other groups) considered another lawsuit?

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Anonymous wrote:DP. Reposting what we do know about TJ test prep...


There was enough concern in the community about test prep companies "cracking the test" that they changed the test/process multiple times over the years. Affluent families who could afford these programs were buying their kids an unfair advantage in admissions.

In fact, back in 2017 the SB switched to quant-q, which intentionally didn’t share prep, in an effort to reduce this unfair advantage.

https://www.washingtonian.com/2017/04/26/is-the-no-1-high-school-in-america-thomas-jefferson-fairfax-discrimination/
“ “Is it gonna once again advantage those kids whose parents can pay to sign them up for special prep camps to now be prepping for science testing as well?” Megan McLaughlin [FCPS School Board] asked when presented with the new plan.

Admissions director Jeremy Shughart doesn’t think so. The firm that markets the math portion of the test, Quant-Q, doesn’t release materials to the public, a practice that should make them harder for test-prep schools to crack.”


TJ students and others have publicly acknowledged the unfair advantage that money can buy and that test prep companies have a "cache of previous and example prompts".

https://www.tjtoday.org/23143/showcase/the-children-left-behind/
“ Families with more money can afford to give children that extra edge by signing them up for whatever prep classes they can find. They can pay money to tutoring organizations to teach their children test-taking skills, “skills learned outside of school,” and to access a cache of previous and example prompts, as I witnessed when I took TJ prep; even if prompts become outdated by test changes, even access to old prompts enables private tutoring pupils to gain an upper edge over others: pupils become accustomed to the format of the writing sections and gain an approximate idea of what to expect.”


TJ students admitted that they shared quant-q test questions with a test prep company or they saw nearly identical questions on the test.
https://www.facebook.com/tjvents/posts/pfbid0jKy4hotXF8AxKwfHm2MAVi7e2yYoCqtrTTXPYsszAdQg6uMoTmReMidqyM1mpu9Bl

Examples of various test prep companies harvesting test questions and sharing with others.
https://katedalby.com/get-tj-update/
The math required for the test is basic math, algebra, and geometry. In the past, we have used old SAT tests from 30 years ago augmented with select problems to mimic the Quant Q. In order to adapt to the changes, we will increase the number of permutation and combination problems in response to students’ observations about the math last fall.

https://www.optimaltjprep.com/
““M. said that the  math questions were very similar to the challenge problems she did with you in classes.” - C.R. (Mother, after 2018-19 test)
“E. said that the  math questions were very close to what she did with you during the last 2 sessions. To quote her exactly: 'Dr, Tripathi's math problems were dead on point.'  We really appreciate your help with her preparation for the test!” - L.R. (Father, after 2017-18 test)”

Many videos showing how to solve actual SIS math questions on TJ admissions tests:
https://www.youtube.com/@katedalbysinspiringtestpre864/videos
https://www.youtube.com/@EduAvenuesTJTestPrep
https://www.youtube.com/@principiatutorsconsultants4395/videos



Kids from affluent families who attend these test prep programs have an unfair advantage. The test prep companies are constantly trying to "crack the test". They ask students to share details/questions about the tests and then share that info with other students.

Thanks again for posting this detailed evidence which has been shared dozens of times. This settles the matter once and for all!

And just to be clear NONEof these links are to evidence that anyone cheated or bought answers or any of the other things that are claimed.
for
Studying is not cheating.

Affluent parents were paying for outside enrichment and test prep that sometimes included questions/answers from previous tests. This gave their kids an unfair advantage.

For quant-Q, the kids agreed to an NDA. It’s unethical, perhaps even illegal, for them to share details about the test with test prep companies who used the info for their own commercial purposes.

The school board changed the admissions process multiple times because of the unfair and/or unethical behavior of some families.

It was pay to play cheating, and I for one am glad the board of education put an end to it.

PSAT math scores would be the ideal test. Free prep is available for everyone. If it was possible that prep would guarantee a high score, way more high schoolers would be scoring in the 1500's on the PSAT/SAT. Students with the highest level of math form each middle school should receive bonus points. Any student in Algebra 2 or higher in middle school will run out of options for math classes at their local high school. I'm not saying automatically admit anyone with higher levels of math, just give bonus points the same way bonus points are given for ELL and FARMS. This will help identify students from each middle school who have already proven to be advanced in math without giving 100% preference for these students. Math SOL scores should also be looked at. Any student who hasn't passed advanced on the math SOL in 7th grade is not ready for the rigor of TJHSST. All students have access to SOL Pass through FCPS.

No outside testing. Just use SOLs as data points.

We don't want to encourage families to game the system.

Are you under the impression that you can't study for the SOLs?
Also, studying is not "gaming the system"
That is just something parents with kids that don't study tell themselves so they can continue to think they are good parents despite the fact their kids don't study.

If your kid needs a tutor to do well for SOLs, then your kid isn’t academically advanced.

Pushing kids beyond their natural abilities and interests just because you want them to go to a certain school is gaming the system.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:DP. Reposting what we do know about TJ test prep...


There was enough concern in the community about test prep companies "cracking the test" that they changed the test/process multiple times over the years. Affluent families who could afford these programs were buying their kids an unfair advantage in admissions.

In fact, back in 2017 the SB switched to quant-q, which intentionally didn’t share prep, in an effort to reduce this unfair advantage.

https://www.washingtonian.com/2017/04/26/is-the-no-1-high-school-in-america-thomas-jefferson-fairfax-discrimination/
“ “Is it gonna once again advantage those kids whose parents can pay to sign them up for special prep camps to now be prepping for science testing as well?” Megan McLaughlin [FCPS School Board] asked when presented with the new plan.

Admissions director Jeremy Shughart doesn’t think so. The firm that markets the math portion of the test, Quant-Q, doesn’t release materials to the public, a practice that should make them harder for test-prep schools to crack.”


TJ students and others have publicly acknowledged the unfair advantage that money can buy and that test prep companies have a "cache of previous and example prompts".

https://www.tjtoday.org/23143/showcase/the-children-left-behind/
“ Families with more money can afford to give children that extra edge by signing them up for whatever prep classes they can find. They can pay money to tutoring organizations to teach their children test-taking skills, “skills learned outside of school,” and to access a cache of previous and example prompts, as I witnessed when I took TJ prep; even if prompts become outdated by test changes, even access to old prompts enables private tutoring pupils to gain an upper edge over others: pupils become accustomed to the format of the writing sections and gain an approximate idea of what to expect.”


TJ students admitted that they shared quant-q test questions with a test prep company or they saw nearly identical questions on the test.
https://www.facebook.com/tjvents/posts/pfbid0jKy4hotXF8AxKwfHm2MAVi7e2yYoCqtrTTXPYsszAdQg6uMoTmReMidqyM1mpu9Bl

Examples of various test prep companies harvesting test questions and sharing with others.
https://katedalby.com/get-tj-update/
The math required for the test is basic math, algebra, and geometry. In the past, we have used old SAT tests from 30 years ago augmented with select problems to mimic the Quant Q. In order to adapt to the changes, we will increase the number of permutation and combination problems in response to students’ observations about the math last fall.

https://www.optimaltjprep.com/
““M. said that the  math questions were very similar to the challenge problems she did with you in classes.” - C.R. (Mother, after 2018-19 test)
“E. said that the  math questions were very close to what she did with you during the last 2 sessions. To quote her exactly: 'Dr, Tripathi's math problems were dead on point.'  We really appreciate your help with her preparation for the test!” - L.R. (Father, after 2017-18 test)”

Many videos showing how to solve actual SIS math questions on TJ admissions tests:
https://www.youtube.com/@katedalbysinspiringtestpre864/videos
https://www.youtube.com/@EduAvenuesTJTestPrep
https://www.youtube.com/@principiatutorsconsultants4395/videos



Kids from affluent families who attend these test prep programs have an unfair advantage. The test prep companies are constantly trying to "crack the test". They ask students to share details/questions about the tests and then share that info with other students.

Thanks again for posting this detailed evidence which has been shared dozens of times. This settles the matter once and for all!

And just to be clear NONEof these links are to evidence that anyone cheated or bought answers or any of the other things that are claimed.
for
Studying is not cheating.

Affluent parents were paying for outside enrichment and test prep that sometimes included questions/answers from previous tests. This gave their kids an unfair advantage.

For quant-Q, the kids agreed to an NDA. It’s unethical, perhaps even illegal, for them to share details about the test with test prep companies who used the info for their own commercial purposes.

The school board changed the admissions process multiple times because of the unfair and/or unethical behavior of some families.

It was pay to play cheating, and I for one am glad the board of education put an end to it.

PSAT math scores would be the ideal test. Free prep is available for everyone. If it was possible that prep would guarantee a high score, way more high schoolers would be scoring in the 1500's on the PSAT/SAT. Students with the highest level of math form each middle school should receive bonus points. Any student in Algebra 2 or higher in middle school will run out of options for math classes at their local high school. I'm not saying automatically admit anyone with higher levels of math, just give bonus points the same way bonus points are given for ELL and FARMS. This will help identify students from each middle school who have already proven to be advanced in math without giving 100% preference for these students. Math SOL scores should also be looked at. Any student who hasn't passed advanced on the math SOL in 7th grade is not ready for the rigor of TJHSST. All students have access to SOL Pass through FCPS.

No outside testing. Just use SOLs as data points.

We don't want to encourage families to game the system.

Are you under the impression that you can't study for the SOLs?
Also, studying is not "gaming the system"
That is just something parents with kids that don't study tell themselves so they can continue to think they are good parents despite the fact their kids don't study.

My TJ kid always “studied” whatever was needed to get solid As in the classes she was taking in school. What she did not do was non-school math. That means she was “only” on the Alg 1 in 7th track as out AAP center didn’t really do Alg in 6th.

I support using SOLs. It would be an objective measure and tied to kids doing well in school offered math including the typical advanced tracks via school.

I get it, you want "your kid" to be the standard.
But the standard is not "your kid" n the standard is (or should be) excellence.

If you make SOLs the criteria for TJ admissions, what makes you think people won't start studying for SOLs?
We will start seeing large populations of perfect SOL scores.
There is NO method of evaluation that people will not be able to improve through effort and trying to remove the benefits of effort seems like a fool's game.

The PSAT is a better method because the prep is so well understood that a cursory search of the internet will provide a lot of free material
It's not as good as having a tutor hold your hand through the process but in the end, you take the test, not your tutor.
YOU have to master the material.
This is why we don't see differences between poor and rich kids with the same SAT score in colleges.

https://opportunityinsights.org/wp-content/uploads/2024/01/SAT_ACT_on_Grades.pdf

No. The PSAT adds extra layers of complexity creating barriers for lower-income kids. Which is probably why you keep pushing it. Gotta hoard those opportunities, amirite?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:DP. Reposting what we do know about TJ test prep...


There was enough concern in the community about test prep companies "cracking the test" that they changed the test/process multiple times over the years. Affluent families who could afford these programs were buying their kids an unfair advantage in admissions.

In fact, back in 2017 the SB switched to quant-q, which intentionally didn’t share prep, in an effort to reduce this unfair advantage.

https://www.washingtonian.com/2017/04/26/is-the-no-1-high-school-in-america-thomas-jefferson-fairfax-discrimination/
“ “Is it gonna once again advantage those kids whose parents can pay to sign them up for special prep camps to now be prepping for science testing as well?” Megan McLaughlin [FCPS School Board] asked when presented with the new plan.

Admissions director Jeremy Shughart doesn’t think so. The firm that markets the math portion of the test, Quant-Q, doesn’t release materials to the public, a practice that should make them harder for test-prep schools to crack.”


TJ students and others have publicly acknowledged the unfair advantage that money can buy and that test prep companies have a "cache of previous and example prompts".

https://www.tjtoday.org/23143/showcase/the-children-left-behind/
“ Families with more money can afford to give children that extra edge by signing them up for whatever prep classes they can find. They can pay money to tutoring organizations to teach their children test-taking skills, “skills learned outside of school,” and to access a cache of previous and example prompts, as I witnessed when I took TJ prep; even if prompts become outdated by test changes, even access to old prompts enables private tutoring pupils to gain an upper edge over others: pupils become accustomed to the format of the writing sections and gain an approximate idea of what to expect.”


TJ students admitted that they shared quant-q test questions with a test prep company or they saw nearly identical questions on the test.
https://www.facebook.com/tjvents/posts/pfbid0jKy4hotXF8AxKwfHm2MAVi7e2yYoCqtrTTXPYsszAdQg6uMoTmReMidqyM1mpu9Bl

Examples of various test prep companies harvesting test questions and sharing with others.
https://katedalby.com/get-tj-update/
The math required for the test is basic math, algebra, and geometry. In the past, we have used old SAT tests from 30 years ago augmented with select problems to mimic the Quant Q. In order to adapt to the changes, we will increase the number of permutation and combination problems in response to students’ observations about the math last fall.

https://www.optimaltjprep.com/
““M. said that the  math questions were very similar to the challenge problems she did with you in classes.” - C.R. (Mother, after 2018-19 test)
“E. said that the  math questions were very close to what she did with you during the last 2 sessions. To quote her exactly: 'Dr, Tripathi's math problems were dead on point.'  We really appreciate your help with her preparation for the test!” - L.R. (Father, after 2017-18 test)”

Many videos showing how to solve actual SIS math questions on TJ admissions tests:
https://www.youtube.com/@katedalbysinspiringtestpre864/videos
https://www.youtube.com/@EduAvenuesTJTestPrep
https://www.youtube.com/@principiatutorsconsultants4395/videos



Kids from affluent families who attend these test prep programs have an unfair advantage. The test prep companies are constantly trying to "crack the test". They ask students to share details/questions about the tests and then share that info with other students.

Thanks again for posting this detailed evidence which has been shared dozens of times. This settles the matter once and for all!

And just to be clear NONEof these links are to evidence that anyone cheated or bought answers or any of the other things that are claimed.
for
Studying is not cheating.

Affluent parents were paying for outside enrichment and test prep that sometimes included questions/answers from previous tests. This gave their kids an unfair advantage.

For quant-Q, the kids agreed to an NDA. It’s unethical, perhaps even illegal, for them to share details about the test with test prep companies who used the info for their own commercial purposes.

The school board changed the admissions process multiple times because of the unfair and/or unethical behavior of some families.

It was pay to play cheating, and I for one am glad the board of education put an end to it.

PSAT math scores would be the ideal test. Free prep is available for everyone. If it was possible that prep would guarantee a high score, way more high schoolers would be scoring in the 1500's on the PSAT/SAT. Students with the highest level of math form each middle school should receive bonus points. Any student in Algebra 2 or higher in middle school will run out of options for math classes at their local high school. I'm not saying automatically admit anyone with higher levels of math, just give bonus points the same way bonus points are given for ELL and FARMS. This will help identify students from each middle school who have already proven to be advanced in math without giving 100% preference for these students. Math SOL scores should also be looked at. Any student who hasn't passed advanced on the math SOL in 7th grade is not ready for the rigor of TJHSST. All students have access to SOL Pass through FCPS.

I know, but the paid prep is so much better that it would again be advantageous to those who can afford it. However, at leat it isn't as bad as people buying the test questions.

Nobody bought test questions.
If you have to lie to make your point, then you don't actually ave a point.,
Studying is not cheating.
The fact that you think studying is cheating might be why some kids aren't doing as well as they could.

The evidence that some families paid for outside prep where their children were given access to question banks which included many of the test questions. This is a matter of record and there is 0 doubt that this went on. The evidence has been posted here more times than I can count.

There is no "record" of kids getting access to the questions before the test.
You have linked social media posts by woke high school students admitting to their "wealth privilege" in being able to "prep" for the test.
If you believe that a social media post by a teenage girl trying to virtue signal has "zero doubt" then you are an idiot.
Social media posts are not "the record"

If this really happened, it would be news.
No news articles say what you are saying.

When you have to lie to make your point, you might not have a point to make.

When you have to be intellectually dishonest to you make your point you might not have a point to make.

Prep companies had caches of former test questions. They were constantly trying to "crack the test". They asked students to share details/questions about the tests and then shared that info with other students.

It was appalling that we effectively had a pay-to-play admission process for a public high school program.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:DP. Reposting what we do know about TJ test prep...


There was enough concern in the community about test prep companies "cracking the test" that they changed the test/process multiple times over the years. Affluent families who could afford these programs were buying their kids an unfair advantage in admissions.

In fact, back in 2017 the SB switched to quant-q, which intentionally didn’t share prep, in an effort to reduce this unfair advantage.

https://www.washingtonian.com/2017/04/26/is-the-no-1-high-school-in-america-thomas-jefferson-fairfax-discrimination/
“ “Is it gonna once again advantage those kids whose parents can pay to sign them up for special prep camps to now be prepping for science testing as well?” Megan McLaughlin [FCPS School Board] asked when presented with the new plan.

Admissions director Jeremy Shughart doesn’t think so. The firm that markets the math portion of the test, Quant-Q, doesn’t release materials to the public, a practice that should make them harder for test-prep schools to crack.”


TJ students and others have publicly acknowledged the unfair advantage that money can buy and that test prep companies have a "cache of previous and example prompts".

https://www.tjtoday.org/23143/showcase/the-children-left-behind/
“ Families with more money can afford to give children that extra edge by signing them up for whatever prep classes they can find. They can pay money to tutoring organizations to teach their children test-taking skills, “skills learned outside of school,” and to access a cache of previous and example prompts, as I witnessed when I took TJ prep; even if prompts become outdated by test changes, even access to old prompts enables private tutoring pupils to gain an upper edge over others: pupils become accustomed to the format of the writing sections and gain an approximate idea of what to expect.”


TJ students admitted that they shared quant-q test questions with a test prep company or they saw nearly identical questions on the test.
https://www.facebook.com/tjvents/posts/pfbid0jKy4hotXF8AxKwfHm2MAVi7e2yYoCqtrTTXPYsszAdQg6uMoTmReMidqyM1mpu9Bl

Examples of various test prep companies harvesting test questions and sharing with others.
https://katedalby.com/get-tj-update/
The math required for the test is basic math, algebra, and geometry. In the past, we have used old SAT tests from 30 years ago augmented with select problems to mimic the Quant Q. In order to adapt to the changes, we will increase the number of permutation and combination problems in response to students’ observations about the math last fall.

https://www.optimaltjprep.com/
““M. said that the  math questions were very similar to the challenge problems she did with you in classes.” - C.R. (Mother, after 2018-19 test)
“E. said that the  math questions were very close to what she did with you during the last 2 sessions. To quote her exactly: 'Dr, Tripathi's math problems were dead on point.'  We really appreciate your help with her preparation for the test!” - L.R. (Father, after 2017-18 test)”

Many videos showing how to solve actual SIS math questions on TJ admissions tests:
https://www.youtube.com/@katedalbysinspiringtestpre864/videos
https://www.youtube.com/@EduAvenuesTJTestPrep
https://www.youtube.com/@principiatutorsconsultants4395/videos



Kids from affluent families who attend these test prep programs have an unfair advantage. The test prep companies are constantly trying to "crack the test". They ask students to share details/questions about the tests and then share that info with other students.

Thanks again for posting this detailed evidence which has been shared dozens of times. This settles the matter once and for all!

And just to be clear NONEof these links are to evidence that anyone cheated or bought answers or any of the other things that are claimed.
for
Studying is not cheating.

Affluent parents were paying for outside enrichment and test prep that sometimes included questions/answers from previous tests. This gave their kids an unfair advantage.

For quant-Q, the kids agreed to an NDA. It’s unethical, perhaps even illegal, for them to share details about the test with test prep companies who used the info for their own commercial purposes.

The school board changed the admissions process multiple times because of the unfair and/or unethical behavior of some families.

It was pay to play cheating, and I for one am glad the board of education put an end to it.

PSAT math scores would be the ideal test. Free prep is available for everyone. If it was possible that prep would guarantee a high score, way more high schoolers would be scoring in the 1500's on the PSAT/SAT. Students with the highest level of math form each middle school should receive bonus points. Any student in Algebra 2 or higher in middle school will run out of options for math classes at their local high school. I'm not saying automatically admit anyone with higher levels of math, just give bonus points the same way bonus points are given for ELL and FARMS. This will help identify students from each middle school who have already proven to be advanced in math without giving 100% preference for these students. Math SOL scores should also be looked at. Any student who hasn't passed advanced on the math SOL in 7th grade is not ready for the rigor of TJHSST. All students have access to SOL Pass through FCPS.

No outside testing. Just use SOLs as data points.

We don't want to encourage families to game the system.

Are you under the impression that you can't study for the SOLs?
Also, studying is not "gaming the system"
That is just something parents with kids that don't study tell themselves so they can continue to think they are good parents despite the fact their kids don't study.

If your kid needs a tutor to do well for SOLs, then your kid isn’t academically advanced.

Pushing kids beyond their natural abilities and interests just because you want them to go to a certain school is gaming the system.

Studying is not pushing a kid beyond their "natural ability"
If you're not pushing your kid to study harder then don't complain when kids that do study harder get further.
Hard work just provides a huge advantage over relying on "natural ability"

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:DP. Reposting what we do know about TJ test prep...


There was enough concern in the community about test prep companies "cracking the test" that they changed the test/process multiple times over the years. Affluent families who could afford these programs were buying their kids an unfair advantage in admissions.

In fact, back in 2017 the SB switched to quant-q, which intentionally didn’t share prep, in an effort to reduce this unfair advantage.

https://www.washingtonian.com/2017/04/26/is-the-no-1-high-school-in-america-thomas-jefferson-fairfax-discrimination/
“ “Is it gonna once again advantage those kids whose parents can pay to sign them up for special prep camps to now be prepping for science testing as well?” Megan McLaughlin [FCPS School Board] asked when presented with the new plan.

Admissions director Jeremy Shughart doesn’t think so. The firm that markets the math portion of the test, Quant-Q, doesn’t release materials to the public, a practice that should make them harder for test-prep schools to crack.”


TJ students and others have publicly acknowledged the unfair advantage that money can buy and that test prep companies have a "cache of previous and example prompts".

https://www.tjtoday.org/23143/showcase/the-children-left-behind/
“ Families with more money can afford to give children that extra edge by signing them up for whatever prep classes they can find. They can pay money to tutoring organizations to teach their children test-taking skills, “skills learned outside of school,” and to access a cache of previous and example prompts, as I witnessed when I took TJ prep; even if prompts become outdated by test changes, even access to old prompts enables private tutoring pupils to gain an upper edge over others: pupils become accustomed to the format of the writing sections and gain an approximate idea of what to expect.”


TJ students admitted that they shared quant-q test questions with a test prep company or they saw nearly identical questions on the test.
https://www.facebook.com/tjvents/posts/pfbid0jKy4hotXF8AxKwfHm2MAVi7e2yYoCqtrTTXPYsszAdQg6uMoTmReMidqyM1mpu9Bl

Examples of various test prep companies harvesting test questions and sharing with others.
https://katedalby.com/get-tj-update/
The math required for the test is basic math, algebra, and geometry. In the past, we have used old SAT tests from 30 years ago augmented with select problems to mimic the Quant Q. In order to adapt to the changes, we will increase the number of permutation and combination problems in response to students’ observations about the math last fall.

https://www.optimaltjprep.com/
““M. said that the  math questions were very similar to the challenge problems she did with you in classes.” - C.R. (Mother, after 2018-19 test)
“E. said that the  math questions were very close to what she did with you during the last 2 sessions. To quote her exactly: 'Dr, Tripathi's math problems were dead on point.'  We really appreciate your help with her preparation for the test!” - L.R. (Father, after 2017-18 test)”

Many videos showing how to solve actual SIS math questions on TJ admissions tests:
https://www.youtube.com/@katedalbysinspiringtestpre864/videos
https://www.youtube.com/@EduAvenuesTJTestPrep
https://www.youtube.com/@principiatutorsconsultants4395/videos



Kids from affluent families who attend these test prep programs have an unfair advantage. The test prep companies are constantly trying to "crack the test". They ask students to share details/questions about the tests and then share that info with other students.

Thanks again for posting this detailed evidence which has been shared dozens of times. This settles the matter once and for all!

And just to be clear NONEof these links are to evidence that anyone cheated or bought answers or any of the other things that are claimed.
for
Studying is not cheating.

Affluent parents were paying for outside enrichment and test prep that sometimes included questions/answers from previous tests. This gave their kids an unfair advantage.

For quant-Q, the kids agreed to an NDA. It’s unethical, perhaps even illegal, for them to share details about the test with test prep companies who used the info for their own commercial purposes.

The school board changed the admissions process multiple times because of the unfair and/or unethical behavior of some families.

It was pay to play cheating, and I for one am glad the board of education put an end to it.

PSAT math scores would be the ideal test. Free prep is available for everyone. If it was possible that prep would guarantee a high score, way more high schoolers would be scoring in the 1500's on the PSAT/SAT. Students with the highest level of math form each middle school should receive bonus points. Any student in Algebra 2 or higher in middle school will run out of options for math classes at their local high school. I'm not saying automatically admit anyone with higher levels of math, just give bonus points the same way bonus points are given for ELL and FARMS. This will help identify students from each middle school who have already proven to be advanced in math without giving 100% preference for these students. Math SOL scores should also be looked at. Any student who hasn't passed advanced on the math SOL in 7th grade is not ready for the rigor of TJHSST. All students have access to SOL Pass through FCPS.

No outside testing. Just use SOLs as data points.

We don't want to encourage families to game the system.

Are you under the impression that you can't study for the SOLs?
Also, studying is not "gaming the system"
That is just something parents with kids that don't study tell themselves so they can continue to think they are good parents despite the fact their kids don't study.

My TJ kid always “studied” whatever was needed to get solid As in the classes she was taking in school. What she did not do was non-school math. That means she was “only” on the Alg 1 in 7th track as out AAP center didn’t really do Alg in 6th.

I support using SOLs. It would be an objective measure and tied to kids doing well in school offered math including the typical advanced tracks via school.

I get it, you want "your kid" to be the standard.
But the standard is not "your kid" n the standard is (or should be) excellence.

If you make SOLs the criteria for TJ admissions, what makes you think people won't start studying for SOLs?
We will start seeing large populations of perfect SOL scores.
There is NO method of evaluation that people will not be able to improve through effort and trying to remove the benefits of effort seems like a fool's game.

The PSAT is a better method because the prep is so well understood that a cursory search of the internet will provide a lot of free material
It's not as good as having a tutor hold your hand through the process but in the end, you take the test, not your tutor.
YOU have to master the material.
This is why we don't see differences between poor and rich kids with the same SAT score in colleges.

https://opportunityinsights.org/wp-content/uploads/2024/01/SAT_ACT_on_Grades.pdf

No. The PSAT adds extra layers of complexity creating barriers for lower-income kids. Which is probably why you keep pushing it. Gotta hoard those opportunities, amirite?

We can give every 8th grader the PSAT. Many states do.

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Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:DP. Reposting what we do know about TJ test prep...


There was enough concern in the community about test prep companies "cracking the test" that they changed the test/process multiple times over the years. Affluent families who could afford these programs were buying their kids an unfair advantage in admissions.

In fact, back in 2017 the SB switched to quant-q, which intentionally didn’t share prep, in an effort to reduce this unfair advantage.

https://www.washingtonian.com/2017/04/26/is-the-no-1-high-school-in-america-thomas-jefferson-fairfax-discrimination/
“ “Is it gonna once again advantage those kids whose parents can pay to sign them up for special prep camps to now be prepping for science testing as well?” Megan McLaughlin [FCPS School Board] asked when presented with the new plan.

Admissions director Jeremy Shughart doesn’t think so. The firm that markets the math portion of the test, Quant-Q, doesn’t release materials to the public, a practice that should make them harder for test-prep schools to crack.”


TJ students and others have publicly acknowledged the unfair advantage that money can buy and that test prep companies have a "cache of previous and example prompts".

https://www.tjtoday.org/23143/showcase/the-children-left-behind/
“ Families with more money can afford to give children that extra edge by signing them up for whatever prep classes they can find. They can pay money to tutoring organizations to teach their children test-taking skills, “skills learned outside of school,” and to access a cache of previous and example prompts, as I witnessed when I took TJ prep; even if prompts become outdated by test changes, even access to old prompts enables private tutoring pupils to gain an upper edge over others: pupils become accustomed to the format of the writing sections and gain an approximate idea of what to expect.”


TJ students admitted that they shared quant-q test questions with a test prep company or they saw nearly identical questions on the test.
https://www.facebook.com/tjvents/posts/pfbid0jKy4hotXF8AxKwfHm2MAVi7e2yYoCqtrTTXPYsszAdQg6uMoTmReMidqyM1mpu9Bl

Examples of various test prep companies harvesting test questions and sharing with others.
https://katedalby.com/get-tj-update/
The math required for the test is basic math, algebra, and geometry. In the past, we have used old SAT tests from 30 years ago augmented with select problems to mimic the Quant Q. In order to adapt to the changes, we will increase the number of permutation and combination problems in response to students’ observations about the math last fall.

https://www.optimaltjprep.com/
““M. said that the  math questions were very similar to the challenge problems she did with you in classes.” - C.R. (Mother, after 2018-19 test)
“E. said that the  math questions were very close to what she did with you during the last 2 sessions. To quote her exactly: 'Dr, Tripathi's math problems were dead on point.'  We really appreciate your help with her preparation for the test!” - L.R. (Father, after 2017-18 test)”

Many videos showing how to solve actual SIS math questions on TJ admissions tests:
https://www.youtube.com/@katedalbysinspiringtestpre864/videos
https://www.youtube.com/@EduAvenuesTJTestPrep
https://www.youtube.com/@principiatutorsconsultants4395/videos



Kids from affluent families who attend these test prep programs have an unfair advantage. The test prep companies are constantly trying to "crack the test". They ask students to share details/questions about the tests and then share that info with other students.

Thanks again for posting this detailed evidence which has been shared dozens of times. This settles the matter once and for all!

And just to be clear NONEof these links are to evidence that anyone cheated or bought answers or any of the other things that are claimed.
for
Studying is not cheating.

Affluent parents were paying for outside enrichment and test prep that sometimes included questions/answers from previous tests. This gave their kids an unfair advantage.

For quant-Q, the kids agreed to an NDA. It’s unethical, perhaps even illegal, for them to share details about the test with test prep companies who used the info for their own commercial purposes.

The school board changed the admissions process multiple times because of the unfair and/or unethical behavior of some families.

It was pay to play cheating, and I for one am glad the board of education put an end to it.

PSAT math scores would be the ideal test. Free prep is available for everyone. If it was possible that prep would guarantee a high score, way more high schoolers would be scoring in the 1500's on the PSAT/SAT. Students with the highest level of math form each middle school should receive bonus points. Any student in Algebra 2 or higher in middle school will run out of options for math classes at their local high school. I'm not saying automatically admit anyone with higher levels of math, just give bonus points the same way bonus points are given for ELL and FARMS. This will help identify students from each middle school who have already proven to be advanced in math without giving 100% preference for these students. Math SOL scores should also be looked at. Any student who hasn't passed advanced on the math SOL in 7th grade is not ready for the rigor of TJHSST. All students have access to SOL Pass through FCPS.

I know, but the paid prep is so much better that it would again be advantageous to those who can afford it. However, at leat it isn't as bad as people buying the test questions.

Nobody bought test questions.
If you have to lie to make your point, then you don't actually ave a point.,
Studying is not cheating.
The fact that you think studying is cheating might be why some kids aren't doing as well as they could.

The evidence that some families paid for outside prep where their children were given access to question banks which included many of the test questions. This is a matter of record and there is 0 doubt that this went on. The evidence has been posted here more times than I can count.

There is no "record" of kids getting access to the questions before the test.
You have linked social media posts by woke high school students admitting to their "wealth privilege" in being able to "prep" for the test.
If you believe that a social media post by a teenage girl trying to virtue signal has "zero doubt" then you are an idiot.
Social media posts are not "the record"

If this really happened, it would be news.
No news articles say what you are saying.

When you have to lie to make your point, you might not have a point to make.

When you have to be intellectually dishonest to you make your point you might not have a point to make.

Prep companies had caches of former test questions. They were constantly trying to "crack the test". They asked students to share details/questions about the tests and then shared that info with other students.

It was appalling that we effectively had a pay-to-play admission process for a public high school program.

The claim was that the were getting test questions before the test not that they were details about prior test questions.
You can get details about prior test questions on amazon for $20.
The fact that people like you think studying is cheating is probably explains much of the achievement gap.

If you have to lie to make your point, you probably don't have much of a point to make.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The TJ admissions policy is discriminating against students based on their national origin. Giving bonus "experience" points to students who are ELLs is a form of discrimination against students who are born in the United States and therefore are most likely to speak English. Equating speaking a foreign language has been used in lawsuits before to show discrimination based on national origin.

A student with a perfect score of 900 on the TJ admissions scoresheet can't compete with a student who scored 871, but received 30 bonus points due to ELL status. This is 100% discrimination against students with United States as their national origin.

Did you know when you choose a side salad with your entree instead of a burger you have discriminated against the burger?

Most discrimination is perfectly fine.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:"National origin" & languages spoken aren't protected classes.

It's not discrimination.

Go find something else to troll about.

National origin isn’t a protected class? You sure about that?

The United States as national origin isn’t. Don’t be daft.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:"National origin" & languages spoken aren't protected classes.

It's not discrimination.

Go find something else to troll about.

National origin isn’t a protected class? You sure about that?

The United States as national origin isn’t. Don’t be daft.

The statement was "national origin" is not a protected class not that the United States is not a national origin.
And yes the United States is a national origin just like white is a race.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:DP. Reposting what we do know about TJ test prep...


There was enough concern in the community about test prep companies "cracking the test" that they changed the test/process multiple times over the years. Affluent families who could afford these programs were buying their kids an unfair advantage in admissions.

In fact, back in 2017 the SB switched to quant-q, which intentionally didn’t share prep, in an effort to reduce this unfair advantage.

https://www.washingtonian.com/2017/04/26/is-the-no-1-high-school-in-america-thomas-jefferson-fairfax-discrimination/
“ “Is it gonna once again advantage those kids whose parents can pay to sign them up for special prep camps to now be prepping for science testing as well?” Megan McLaughlin [FCPS School Board] asked when presented with the new plan.

Admissions director Jeremy Shughart doesn’t think so. The firm that markets the math portion of the test, Quant-Q, doesn’t release materials to the public, a practice that should make them harder for test-prep schools to crack.”


TJ students and others have publicly acknowledged the unfair advantage that money can buy and that test prep companies have a "cache of previous and example prompts".

https://www.tjtoday.org/23143/showcase/the-children-left-behind/
“ Families with more money can afford to give children that extra edge by signing them up for whatever prep classes they can find. They can pay money to tutoring organizations to teach their children test-taking skills, “skills learned outside of school,” and to access a cache of previous and example prompts, as I witnessed when I took TJ prep; even if prompts become outdated by test changes, even access to old prompts enables private tutoring pupils to gain an upper edge over others: pupils become accustomed to the format of the writing sections and gain an approximate idea of what to expect.”


TJ students admitted that they shared quant-q test questions with a test prep company or they saw nearly identical questions on the test.
https://www.facebook.com/tjvents/posts/pfbid0jKy4hotXF8AxKwfHm2MAVi7e2yYoCqtrTTXPYsszAdQg6uMoTmReMidqyM1mpu9Bl

Examples of various test prep companies harvesting test questions and sharing with others.
https://katedalby.com/get-tj-update/
The math required for the test is basic math, algebra, and geometry. In the past, we have used old SAT tests from 30 years ago augmented with select problems to mimic the Quant Q. In order to adapt to the changes, we will increase the number of permutation and combination problems in response to students’ observations about the math last fall.

https://www.optimaltjprep.com/
““M. said that the  math questions were very similar to the challenge problems she did with you in classes.” - C.R. (Mother, after 2018-19 test)
“E. said that the  math questions were very close to what she did with you during the last 2 sessions. To quote her exactly: 'Dr, Tripathi's math problems were dead on point.'  We really appreciate your help with her preparation for the test!” - L.R. (Father, after 2017-18 test)”

Many videos showing how to solve actual SIS math questions on TJ admissions tests:
https://www.youtube.com/@katedalbysinspiringtestpre864/videos
https://www.youtube.com/@EduAvenuesTJTestPrep
https://www.youtube.com/@principiatutorsconsultants4395/videos



Kids from affluent families who attend these test prep programs have an unfair advantage. The test prep companies are constantly trying to "crack the test". They ask students to share details/questions about the tests and then share that info with other students.

Thanks again for posting this detailed evidence which has been shared dozens of times. This settles the matter once and for all!

And just to be clear NONEof these links are to evidence that anyone cheated or bought answers or any of the other things that are claimed.
for
Studying is not cheating.

Affluent parents were paying for outside enrichment and test prep that sometimes included questions/answers from previous tests. This gave their kids an unfair advantage.

For quant-Q, the kids agreed to an NDA. It’s unethical, perhaps even illegal, for them to share details about the test with test prep companies who used the info for their own commercial purposes.

The school board changed the admissions process multiple times because of the unfair and/or unethical behavior of some families.

It was pay to play cheating, and I for one am glad the board of education put an end to it.

PSAT math scores would be the ideal test. Free prep is available for everyone. If it was possible that prep would guarantee a high score, way more high schoolers would be scoring in the 1500's on the PSAT/SAT. Students with the highest level of math form each middle school should receive bonus points. Any student in Algebra 2 or higher in middle school will run out of options for math classes at their local high school. I'm not saying automatically admit anyone with higher levels of math, just give bonus points the same way bonus points are given for ELL and FARMS. This will help identify students from each middle school who have already proven to be advanced in math without giving 100% preference for these students. Math SOL scores should also be looked at. Any student who hasn't passed advanced on the math SOL in 7th grade is not ready for the rigor of TJHSST. All students have access to SOL Pass through FCPS.

I know, but the paid prep is so much better that it would again be advantageous to those who can afford it. However, at leat it isn't as bad as people buying the test questions.

Nobody bought test questions.
If you have to lie to make your point, then you don't actually ave a point.,
Studying is not cheating.
The fact that you think studying is cheating might be why some kids aren't doing as well as they could.

The evidence that some families paid for outside prep where their children were given access to question banks which included many of the test questions. This is a matter of record and there is 0 doubt that this went on. The evidence has been posted here more times than I can count.

There is no "record" of kids getting access to the questions before the test.
You have linked social media posts by woke high school students admitting to their "wealth privilege" in being able to "prep" for the test.
If you believe that a social media post by a teenage girl trying to virtue signal has "zero doubt" then you are an idiot.
Social media posts are not "the record"

If this really happened, it would be news.
No news articles say what you are saying.

When you have to lie to make your point, you might not have a point to make.

When you have to be intellectually dishonest to you make your point you might not have a point to make.

Prep companies had caches of former test questions. They were constantly trying to "crack the test". They asked students to share details/questions about the tests and then shared that info with other students.

It was appalling that we effectively had a pay-to-play admission process for a public high school program.

The claim was that the were getting test questions before the test not that they were details about prior test questions.
You can get details about prior test questions on amazon for $20.
The fact that people like you think studying is cheating is probably explains much of the achievement gap.

If you have to lie to make your point, you probably don't have much of a point to make.

I never called it cheating.

Prep companies had caches of former test questions. They were constantly trying to "crack the test". They asked students to share details/questions about the tests and then shared that info with other students.

This gave students from affluent families an unfair advantage.

The community was appalled that we effectively had a pay-to-play admission process for a public high school program.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:DP. Reposting what we do know about TJ test prep...


There was enough concern in the community about test prep companies "cracking the test" that they changed the test/process multiple times over the years. Affluent families who could afford these programs were buying their kids an unfair advantage in admissions.

In fact, back in 2017 the SB switched to quant-q, which intentionally didn’t share prep, in an effort to reduce this unfair advantage.

https://www.washingtonian.com/2017/04/26/is-the-no-1-high-school-in-america-thomas-jefferson-fairfax-discrimination/
“ “Is it gonna once again advantage those kids whose parents can pay to sign them up for special prep camps to now be prepping for science testing as well?” Megan McLaughlin [FCPS School Board] asked when presented with the new plan.

Admissions director Jeremy Shughart doesn’t think so. The firm that markets the math portion of the test, Quant-Q, doesn’t release materials to the public, a practice that should make them harder for test-prep schools to crack.”


TJ students and others have publicly acknowledged the unfair advantage that money can buy and that test prep companies have a "cache of previous and example prompts".

https://www.tjtoday.org/23143/showcase/the-children-left-behind/
“ Families with more money can afford to give children that extra edge by signing them up for whatever prep classes they can find. They can pay money to tutoring organizations to teach their children test-taking skills, “skills learned outside of school,” and to access a cache of previous and example prompts, as I witnessed when I took TJ prep; even if prompts become outdated by test changes, even access to old prompts enables private tutoring pupils to gain an upper edge over others: pupils become accustomed to the format of the writing sections and gain an approximate idea of what to expect.”


TJ students admitted that they shared quant-q test questions with a test prep company or they saw nearly identical questions on the test.
https://www.facebook.com/tjvents/posts/pfbid0jKy4hotXF8AxKwfHm2MAVi7e2yYoCqtrTTXPYsszAdQg6uMoTmReMidqyM1mpu9Bl

Examples of various test prep companies harvesting test questions and sharing with others.
https://katedalby.com/get-tj-update/
The math required for the test is basic math, algebra, and geometry. In the past, we have used old SAT tests from 30 years ago augmented with select problems to mimic the Quant Q. In order to adapt to the changes, we will increase the number of permutation and combination problems in response to students’ observations about the math last fall.

https://www.optimaltjprep.com/
““M. said that the  math questions were very similar to the challenge problems she did with you in classes.” - C.R. (Mother, after 2018-19 test)
“E. said that the  math questions were very close to what she did with you during the last 2 sessions. To quote her exactly: 'Dr, Tripathi's math problems were dead on point.'  We really appreciate your help with her preparation for the test!” - L.R. (Father, after 2017-18 test)”

Many videos showing how to solve actual SIS math questions on TJ admissions tests:
https://www.youtube.com/@katedalbysinspiringtestpre864/videos
https://www.youtube.com/@EduAvenuesTJTestPrep
https://www.youtube.com/@principiatutorsconsultants4395/videos



Kids from affluent families who attend these test prep programs have an unfair advantage. The test prep companies are constantly trying to "crack the test". They ask students to share details/questions about the tests and then share that info with other students.

Thanks again for posting this detailed evidence which has been shared dozens of times. This settles the matter once and for all!

And just to be clear NONEof these links are to evidence that anyone cheated or bought answers or any of the other things that are claimed.
for
Studying is not cheating.

Affluent parents were paying for outside enrichment and test prep that sometimes included questions/answers from previous tests. This gave their kids an unfair advantage.

For quant-Q, the kids agreed to an NDA. It’s unethical, perhaps even illegal, for them to share details about the test with test prep companies who used the info for their own commercial purposes.

The school board changed the admissions process multiple times because of the unfair and/or unethical behavior of some families.

It was pay to play cheating, and I for one am glad the board of education put an end to it.

PSAT math scores would be the ideal test. Free prep is available for everyone. If it was possible that prep would guarantee a high score, way more high schoolers would be scoring in the 1500's on the PSAT/SAT. Students with the highest level of math form each middle school should receive bonus points. Any student in Algebra 2 or higher in middle school will run out of options for math classes at their local high school. I'm not saying automatically admit anyone with higher levels of math, just give bonus points the same way bonus points are given for ELL and FARMS. This will help identify students from each middle school who have already proven to be advanced in math without giving 100% preference for these students. Math SOL scores should also be looked at. Any student who hasn't passed advanced on the math SOL in 7th grade is not ready for the rigor of TJHSST. All students have access to SOL Pass through FCPS.

No outside testing. Just use SOLs as data points.

We don't want to encourage families to game the system.

Are you under the impression that you can't study for the SOLs?
Also, studying is not "gaming the system"
That is just something parents with kids that don't study tell themselves so they can continue to think they are good parents despite the fact their kids don't study.

My TJ kid always “studied” whatever was needed to get solid As in the classes she was taking in school. What she did not do was non-school math. That means she was “only” on the Alg 1 in 7th track as out AAP center didn’t really do Alg in 6th.

I support using SOLs. It would be an objective measure and tied to kids doing well in school offered math including the typical advanced tracks via school.

I get it, you want "your kid" to be the standard.
But the standard is not "your kid" n the standard is (or should be) excellence.

If you make SOLs the criteria for TJ admissions, what makes you think people won't start studying for SOLs?
We will start seeing large populations of perfect SOL scores.
There is NO method of evaluation that people will not be able to improve through effort and trying to remove the benefits of effort seems like a fool's game.

The PSAT is a better method because the prep is so well understood that a cursory search of the internet will provide a lot of free material
It's not as good as having a tutor hold your hand through the process but in the end, you take the test, not your tutor.
YOU have to master the material.
This is why we don't see differences between poor and rich kids with the same SAT score in colleges.

https://opportunityinsights.org/wp-content/uploads/2024/01/SAT_ACT_on_Grades.pdf

No. The PSAT adds extra layers of complexity creating barriers for lower-income kids. Which is probably why you keep pushing it. Gotta hoard those opportunities, amirite?

We can give every 8th grader the PSAT. Many states do.

Yet another test? No.

If SOLs don’t work then skip it. Stick to the current process.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:DP. Reposting what we do know about TJ test prep...


There was enough concern in the community about test prep companies "cracking the test" that they changed the test/process multiple times over the years. Affluent families who could afford these programs were buying their kids an unfair advantage in admissions.

In fact, back in 2017 the SB switched to quant-q, which intentionally didn’t share prep, in an effort to reduce this unfair advantage.

https://www.washingtonian.com/2017/04/26/is-the-no-1-high-school-in-america-thomas-jefferson-fairfax-discrimination/
“ “Is it gonna once again advantage those kids whose parents can pay to sign them up for special prep camps to now be prepping for science testing as well?” Megan McLaughlin [FCPS School Board] asked when presented with the new plan.

Admissions director Jeremy Shughart doesn’t think so. The firm that markets the math portion of the test, Quant-Q, doesn’t release materials to the public, a practice that should make them harder for test-prep schools to crack.”


TJ students and others have publicly acknowledged the unfair advantage that money can buy and that test prep companies have a "cache of previous and example prompts".

https://www.tjtoday.org/23143/showcase/the-children-left-behind/
“ Families with more money can afford to give children that extra edge by signing them up for whatever prep classes they can find. They can pay money to tutoring organizations to teach their children test-taking skills, “skills learned outside of school,” and to access a cache of previous and example prompts, as I witnessed when I took TJ prep; even if prompts become outdated by test changes, even access to old prompts enables private tutoring pupils to gain an upper edge over others: pupils become accustomed to the format of the writing sections and gain an approximate idea of what to expect.”


TJ students admitted that they shared quant-q test questions with a test prep company or they saw nearly identical questions on the test.
https://www.facebook.com/tjvents/posts/pfbid0jKy4hotXF8AxKwfHm2MAVi7e2yYoCqtrTTXPYsszAdQg6uMoTmReMidqyM1mpu9Bl

Examples of various test prep companies harvesting test questions and sharing with others.
https://katedalby.com/get-tj-update/
The math required for the test is basic math, algebra, and geometry. In the past, we have used old SAT tests from 30 years ago augmented with select problems to mimic the Quant Q. In order to adapt to the changes, we will increase the number of permutation and combination problems in response to students’ observations about the math last fall.

https://www.optimaltjprep.com/
““M. said that the  math questions were very similar to the challenge problems she did with you in classes.” - C.R. (Mother, after 2018-19 test)
“E. said that the  math questions were very close to what she did with you during the last 2 sessions. To quote her exactly: 'Dr, Tripathi's math problems were dead on point.'  We really appreciate your help with her preparation for the test!” - L.R. (Father, after 2017-18 test)”

Many videos showing how to solve actual SIS math questions on TJ admissions tests:
https://www.youtube.com/@katedalbysinspiringtestpre864/videos
https://www.youtube.com/@EduAvenuesTJTestPrep
https://www.youtube.com/@principiatutorsconsultants4395/videos



Kids from affluent families who attend these test prep programs have an unfair advantage. The test prep companies are constantly trying to "crack the test". They ask students to share details/questions about the tests and then share that info with other students.

Thanks again for posting this detailed evidence which has been shared dozens of times. This settles the matter once and for all!

And just to be clear NONEof these links are to evidence that anyone cheated or bought answers or any of the other things that are claimed.
for
Studying is not cheating.

Affluent parents were paying for outside enrichment and test prep that sometimes included questions/answers from previous tests. This gave their kids an unfair advantage.

For quant-Q, the kids agreed to an NDA. It’s unethical, perhaps even illegal, for them to share details about the test with test prep companies who used the info for their own commercial purposes.

The school board changed the admissions process multiple times because of the unfair and/or unethical behavior of some families.

It was pay to play cheating, and I for one am glad the board of education put an end to it.

PSAT math scores would be the ideal test. Free prep is available for everyone. If it was possible that prep would guarantee a high score, way more high schoolers would be scoring in the 1500's on the PSAT/SAT. Students with the highest level of math form each middle school should receive bonus points. Any student in Algebra 2 or higher in middle school will run out of options for math classes at their local high school. I'm not saying automatically admit anyone with higher levels of math, just give bonus points the same way bonus points are given for ELL and FARMS. This will help identify students from each middle school who have already proven to be advanced in math without giving 100% preference for these students. Math SOL scores should also be looked at. Any student who hasn't passed advanced on the math SOL in 7th grade is not ready for the rigor of TJHSST. All students have access to SOL Pass through FCPS.

No outside testing. Just use SOLs as data points.

We don't want to encourage families to game the system.

Are you under the impression that you can't study for the SOLs?
Also, studying is not "gaming the system"
That is just something parents with kids that don't study tell themselves so they can continue to think they are good parents despite the fact their kids don't study.

If your kid needs a tutor to do well for SOLs, then your kid isn’t academically advanced.

Pushing kids beyond their natural abilities and interests just because you want them to go to a certain school is gaming the system.

Studying is not pushing a kid beyond their "natural ability"
If you're not pushing your kid to study harder then don't complain when kids that do study harder get further.
Hard work just provides a huge advantage over relying on "natural ability"

You are welcome to sign your kids up for a ton of expensive enrichment if they need the extra help. But if you were doing it with the goal of admission to TJ then you were gaming the system.

It was well known in affluent circles how to give your kid the best chance of getting in - test prep centers.

It was pay-to-play.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:DP. Reposting what we do know about TJ test prep...


There was enough concern in the community about test prep companies "cracking the test" that they changed the test/process multiple times over the years. Affluent families who could afford these programs were buying their kids an unfair advantage in admissions.

In fact, back in 2017 the SB switched to quant-q, which intentionally didn’t share prep, in an effort to reduce this unfair advantage.

https://www.washingtonian.com/2017/04/26/is-the-no-1-high-school-in-america-thomas-jefferson-fairfax-discrimination/
“ “Is it gonna once again advantage those kids whose parents can pay to sign them up for special prep camps to now be prepping for science testing as well?” Megan McLaughlin [FCPS School Board] asked when presented with the new plan.

Admissions director Jeremy Shughart doesn’t think so. The firm that markets the math portion of the test, Quant-Q, doesn’t release materials to the public, a practice that should make them harder for test-prep schools to crack.”


TJ students and others have publicly acknowledged the unfair advantage that money can buy and that test prep companies have a "cache of previous and example prompts".

https://www.tjtoday.org/23143/showcase/the-children-left-behind/
“ Families with more money can afford to give children that extra edge by signing them up for whatever prep classes they can find. They can pay money to tutoring organizations to teach their children test-taking skills, “skills learned outside of school,” and to access a cache of previous and example prompts, as I witnessed when I took TJ prep; even if prompts become outdated by test changes, even access to old prompts enables private tutoring pupils to gain an upper edge over others: pupils become accustomed to the format of the writing sections and gain an approximate idea of what to expect.”


TJ students admitted that they shared quant-q test questions with a test prep company or they saw nearly identical questions on the test.
https://www.facebook.com/tjvents/posts/pfbid0jKy4hotXF8AxKwfHm2MAVi7e2yYoCqtrTTXPYsszAdQg6uMoTmReMidqyM1mpu9Bl

Examples of various test prep companies harvesting test questions and sharing with others.
https://katedalby.com/get-tj-update/
The math required for the test is basic math, algebra, and geometry. In the past, we have used old SAT tests from 30 years ago augmented with select problems to mimic the Quant Q. In order to adapt to the changes, we will increase the number of permutation and combination problems in response to students’ observations about the math last fall.

https://www.optimaltjprep.com/
““M. said that the  math questions were very similar to the challenge problems she did with you in classes.” - C.R. (Mother, after 2018-19 test)
“E. said that the  math questions were very close to what she did with you during the last 2 sessions. To quote her exactly: 'Dr, Tripathi's math problems were dead on point.'  We really appreciate your help with her preparation for the test!” - L.R. (Father, after 2017-18 test)”

Many videos showing how to solve actual SIS math questions on TJ admissions tests:
https://www.youtube.com/@katedalbysinspiringtestpre864/videos
https://www.youtube.com/@EduAvenuesTJTestPrep
https://www.youtube.com/@principiatutorsconsultants4395/videos



Kids from affluent families who attend these test prep programs have an unfair advantage. The test prep companies are constantly trying to "crack the test". They ask students to share details/questions about the tests and then share that info with other students.

Thanks again for posting this detailed evidence which has been shared dozens of times. This settles the matter once and for all!

And just to be clear NONEof these links are to evidence that anyone cheated or bought answers or any of the other things that are claimed.
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Studying is not cheating.

Affluent parents were paying for outside enrichment and test prep that sometimes included questions/answers from previous tests. This gave their kids an unfair advantage.

For quant-Q, the kids agreed to an NDA. It’s unethical, perhaps even illegal, for them to share details about the test with test prep companies who used the info for their own commercial purposes.

The school board changed the admissions process multiple times because of the unfair and/or unethical behavior of some families.

It was pay to play cheating, and I for one am glad the board of education put an end to it.

PSAT math scores would be the ideal test. Free prep is available for everyone. If it was possible that prep would guarantee a high score, way more high schoolers would be scoring in the 1500's on the PSAT/SAT. Students with the highest level of math form each middle school should receive bonus points. Any student in Algebra 2 or higher in middle school will run out of options for math classes at their local high school. I'm not saying automatically admit anyone with higher levels of math, just give bonus points the same way bonus points are given for ELL and FARMS. This will help identify students from each middle school who have already proven to be advanced in math without giving 100% preference for these students. Math SOL scores should also be looked at. Any student who hasn't passed advanced on the math SOL in 7th grade is not ready for the rigor of TJHSST. All students have access to SOL Pass through FCPS.

No outside testing. Just use SOLs as data points.

We don't want to encourage families to game the system.

Are you under the impression that you can't study for the SOLs?
Also, studying is not "gaming the system"
That is just something parents with kids that don't study tell themselves so they can continue to think they are good parents despite the fact their kids don't study.

If your kid needs a tutor to do well for SOLs, then your kid isn’t academically advanced.

Pushing kids beyond their natural abilities and interests just because you want them to go to a certain school is gaming the system.

Studying is not pushing a kid beyond their "natural ability"
If you're not pushing your kid to study harder then don't complain when kids that do study harder get further.
Hard work just provides a huge advantage over relying on "natural ability"

You are welcome to sign your kids up for a ton of expensive enrichment if they need the extra help. But if you were doing it with the goal of admission to TJ then you were gaming the system.

It was well known in affluent circles how to give your kid the best chance of getting in - test prep centers.

It was pay-to-play.

I agree and I'm fine with kids taking enrichment and studying. I feel the county's resolution to pick the top students from each school was a great solution since it addressed this very problem and insured that all residents have a fair shot at programs like TJ not just students from a few wealthy schools.

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Anonymous wrote:The TJ admissions policy is discriminating against students based on their national origin. Giving bonus "experience" points to students who are ELLs is a form of discrimination against students who are born in the United States and therefore are most likely to speak English. Equating speaking a foreign language has been used in lawsuits before to show discrimination based on national origin.

A student with a perfect score of 900 on the TJ admissions scoresheet can't compete with a student who scored 871, but received 30 bonus points due to ELL status. This is 100% discrimination against students with United States as their national origin.

Did you know when you choose a side salad with your entree instead of a burger you have discriminated against the burger?

Most discrimination is perfectly fine.

Yes but when you choose to only serve hamburgers to people based on where they or their ancestors were born, that is illegal.
With that said, you are allowed to discriminate based on linguistic ability.
I don't have to hire you if you don't speak english. But I cannot require that your ancestors come from england.
I can decide to ONLY hire someone that speaks spanish. But I cannot require that you come from the same country as me.

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Anonymous wrote:DP. Reposting what we do know about TJ test prep...


There was enough concern in the community about test prep companies "cracking the test" that they changed the test/process multiple times over the years. Affluent families who could afford these programs were buying their kids an unfair advantage in admissions.

In fact, back in 2017 the SB switched to quant-q, which intentionally didn’t share prep, in an effort to reduce this unfair advantage.

https://www.washingtonian.com/2017/04/26/is-the-no-1-high-school-in-america-thomas-jefferson-fairfax-discrimination/
“ “Is it gonna once again advantage those kids whose parents can pay to sign them up for special prep camps to now be prepping for science testing as well?” Megan McLaughlin [FCPS School Board] asked when presented with the new plan.

Admissions director Jeremy Shughart doesn’t think so. The firm that markets the math portion of the test, Quant-Q, doesn’t release materials to the public, a practice that should make them harder for test-prep schools to crack.”


TJ students and others have publicly acknowledged the unfair advantage that money can buy and that test prep companies have a "cache of previous and example prompts".

https://www.tjtoday.org/23143/showcase/the-children-left-behind/
“ Families with more money can afford to give children that extra edge by signing them up for whatever prep classes they can find. They can pay money to tutoring organizations to teach their children test-taking skills, “skills learned outside of school,” and to access a cache of previous and example prompts, as I witnessed when I took TJ prep; even if prompts become outdated by test changes, even access to old prompts enables private tutoring pupils to gain an upper edge over others: pupils become accustomed to the format of the writing sections and gain an approximate idea of what to expect.”


TJ students admitted that they shared quant-q test questions with a test prep company or they saw nearly identical questions on the test.
https://www.facebook.com/tjvents/posts/pfbid0jKy4hotXF8AxKwfHm2MAVi7e2yYoCqtrTTXPYsszAdQg6uMoTmReMidqyM1mpu9Bl

Examples of various test prep companies harvesting test questions and sharing with others.
https://katedalby.com/get-tj-update/
The math required for the test is basic math, algebra, and geometry. In the past, we have used old SAT tests from 30 years ago augmented with select problems to mimic the Quant Q. In order to adapt to the changes, we will increase the number of permutation and combination problems in response to students’ observations about the math last fall.

https://www.optimaltjprep.com/
““M. said that the  math questions were very similar to the challenge problems she did with you in classes.” - C.R. (Mother, after 2018-19 test)
“E. said that the  math questions were very close to what she did with you during the last 2 sessions. To quote her exactly: 'Dr, Tripathi's math problems were dead on point.'  We really appreciate your help with her preparation for the test!” - L.R. (Father, after 2017-18 test)”

Many videos showing how to solve actual SIS math questions on TJ admissions tests:
https://www.youtube.com/@katedalbysinspiringtestpre864/videos
https://www.youtube.com/@EduAvenuesTJTestPrep
https://www.youtube.com/@principiatutorsconsultants4395/videos



Kids from affluent families who attend these test prep programs have an unfair advantage. The test prep companies are constantly trying to "crack the test". They ask students to share details/questions about the tests and then share that info with other students.

Thanks again for posting this detailed evidence which has been shared dozens of times. This settles the matter once and for all!

And just to be clear NONEof these links are to evidence that anyone cheated or bought answers or any of the other things that are claimed.
for
Studying is not cheating.

Affluent parents were paying for outside enrichment and test prep that sometimes included questions/answers from previous tests. This gave their kids an unfair advantage.

For quant-Q, the kids agreed to an NDA. It’s unethical, perhaps even illegal, for them to share details about the test with test prep companies who used the info for their own commercial purposes.

The school board changed the admissions process multiple times because of the unfair and/or unethical behavior of some families.

It was pay to play cheating, and I for one am glad the board of education put an end to it.

PSAT math scores would be the ideal test. Free prep is available for everyone. If it was possible that prep would guarantee a high score, way more high schoolers would be scoring in the 1500's on the PSAT/SAT. Students with the highest level of math form each middle school should receive bonus points. Any student in Algebra 2 or higher in middle school will run out of options for math classes at their local high school. I'm not saying automatically admit anyone with higher levels of math, just give bonus points the same way bonus points are given for ELL and FARMS. This will help identify students from each middle school who have already proven to be advanced in math without giving 100% preference for these students. Math SOL scores should also be looked at. Any student who hasn't passed advanced on the math SOL in 7th grade is not ready for the rigor of TJHSST. All students have access to SOL Pass through FCPS.

I know, but the paid prep is so much better that it would again be advantageous to those who can afford it. However, at leat it isn't as bad as people buying the test questions.

Nobody bought test questions.
If you have to lie to make your point, then you don't actually ave a point.,
Studying is not cheating.
The fact that you think studying is cheating might be why some kids aren't doing as well as they could.

The evidence that some families paid for outside prep where their children were given access to question banks which included many of the test questions. This is a matter of record and there is 0 doubt that this went on. The evidence has been posted here more times than I can count.

There is no "record" of kids getting access to the questions before the test.
You have linked social media posts by woke high school students admitting to their "wealth privilege" in being able to "prep" for the test.
If you believe that a social media post by a teenage girl trying to virtue signal has "zero doubt" then you are an idiot.
Social media posts are not "the record"

If this really happened, it would be news.
No news articles say what you are saying.

When you have to lie to make your point, you might not have a point to make.

When you have to be intellectually dishonest to you make your point you might not have a point to make.

Prep companies had caches of former test questions. They were constantly trying to "crack the test". They asked students to share details/questions about the tests and then shared that info with other students.

It was appalling that we effectively had a pay-to-play admission process for a public high school program.

The claim was that the were getting test questions before the test not that they were details about prior test questions.
You can get details about prior test questions on amazon for $20.
The fact that people like you think studying is cheating is probably explains much of the achievement gap.

If you have to lie to make your point, you probably don't have much of a point to make.

I never called it cheating.

Prep companies had caches of former test questions. They were constantly trying to "crack the test". They asked students to share details/questions about the tests and then shared that info with other students.

This gave students from affluent families an unfair advantage.

The community was appalled that we effectively had a pay-to-play admission process for a public high school program.

What do you mean "crack the test"?
All of the same information is available on amazon for $20.

Affluence gives you an advantage in accumulating human capital and that's life.
Unless you want to raise all kids in a creche, different families will invest different amounts in their kids education.
That is cultural.
That is why you see more asians excel academically at every income level relative to their non-asian peers.
They just work harder.
You can too.