Walk me through the logistics of mass deportations

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Anonymous wrote:Putting aside the issue of morality or whatever you believe is right for the country. How exactly is this going to work? Door by door to round up 20 million people? Busses? Trains? Who is going to guard the deportees? Are we going to drop them off in Mexico?Fly them home? Where will the money come from? What if two illegal aliens have an American born child? What will happen to the kid?

I'm genuinely asking.

You start by not letting people in.

To answer your other question, having an American child is not a barrier to deportation. Thousands of immigrants with American children are getting deported every year. The anchor baby thing is a bunch of nonsense. Babies don’t anchor.

You didn't answer the question. Does the baby get deported too? The American citizen child?

Like everything else, it’s up to the parents. Take the child with them or leave with guardians here. Baby can stay, parents can’t. It happens every day.

It also causes an enormous amount of trauma to a child. And even if your are okay with that, writ large it becomes a problem for society. Have you seen the stats on where kids from foster care end up? Often not as productive members of society.

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No they don’t.
My DH used to joke about it taking an act of Congress to take his citizenship away. We don’t think that’s such a far stretch anymore.
Now he’s made sure all of our passports are in order and we have copies of his paperwork, including his DD-214, in more than one location. He’s been told by past coworkers that assumed he sought their approval that he’s “one of the good ones”. Maybe they will shield him if things get out of hand.
Hopefully we never have to deal with some vigilante going off doing the lord’s work and taking matters into their own hands.

You should be afraid of armed vigilantes with torches and pitch forks who take it upon themselves to capture "illegals." Mobs aren't smart enough to discern whether you belong here. Look at the Sikhs who got murdered after 9-11. Even Hispanic people got accused of being "Arabs." Look at Trump's praise of the Charlottesville mob. He will encourage this.

+1 this is what I fear: vigilantes going around rounding up "them illegals".

I am Asian American; DH is a white European immigrant. I told DH that if we went to war with China, I could easily see the MAGA mob trying to round up all the "chin*s", including me because I look like one even though I'm not Chinese.

Those mobs wouldn't stop to ask for papers or where you're really from. They just attack. Look at how many Asian Americans were beat up during covid because people thought those Asian Americans brought covid in, and that included patients yelling at Asian American doctors who were trying to help them.

This type of hysteria is what Trump is good at stoking. It's frightening.

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Anonymous wrote:Putting aside the issue of morality or whatever you believe is right for the country. How exactly is this going to work? Door by door to round up 20 million people? Busses? Trains? Who is going to guard the deportees? Are we going to drop them off in Mexico?Fly them home? Where will the money come from? What if two illegal aliens have an American born child? What will happen to the kid?

I'm genuinely asking.

You start by not letting people in.

To answer your other question, having an American child is not a barrier to deportation. Thousands of immigrants with American children are getting deported every year. The anchor baby thing is a bunch of nonsense. Babies don’t anchor.

You didn't answer the question. Does the baby get deported too? The American citizen child?

Like everything else, it’s up to the parents. Take the child with them or leave with guardians here. Baby can stay, parents can’t. It happens every day.

It also causes an enormous amount of trauma to a child. And even if your are okay with that, writ large it becomes a problem for society. Have you seen the stats on where kids from foster care end up? Often not as productive members of society.

We're going to have lots more unproductive members of society with the current republican anti-abortion plan as well. Unwanted kids don't do well either. Between the traumatized kids of immigrants and traumatized unwanted kids, I'm not sure why republicans want a crime filled mad max style hellscape in 16-20 years, but they sure are working to create one.

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Yet Democrats are full speed ahead with countless trafficked children through the border. Why?

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Anonymous wrote:I had my green card processed under Biden. Took twice as long and had to fight for every step.

Also under Biden: the shafting of World Bank/IMF/UN retirees and their families in favor of visa applicants born in Guatemala, Honduras and El Salvador.

Twice as long as what?
Got my green card under Trump and citizenship under Biden. An extra interview in the first case. Quite a fast process in the second.

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Anonymous wrote:Putting aside the issue of morality or whatever you believe is right for the country. How exactly is this going to work? Door by door to round up 20 million people? Busses? Trains? Who is going to guard the deportees? Are we going to drop them off in Mexico?Fly them home? Where will the money come from? What if two illegal aliens have an American born child? What will happen to the kid?

I'm genuinely asking.

You start by not letting people in.

To answer your other question, having an American child is not a barrier to deportation. Thousands of immigrants with American children are getting deported every year. The anchor baby thing is a bunch of nonsense. Babies don’t anchor.

You didn't answer the question. Does the baby get deported too? The American citizen child?

Like everything else, it’s up to the parents. Take the child with them or leave with guardians here. Baby can stay, parents can’t. It happens every day.

It also causes an enormous amount of trauma to a child. And even if your are okay with that, writ large it becomes a problem for society. Have you seen the stats on where kids from foster care end up? Often not as productive members of society.

So illegal immigrants should not leave their children in foster care. The parents are responsible for their children’s well being. Would you leave your kids with a foster family and leave the country? I would not.

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No they don’t.
My DH used to joke about it taking an act of Congress to take his citizenship away. We don’t think that’s such a far stretch anymore.
Now he’s made sure all of our passports are in order and we have copies of his paperwork, including his DD-214, in more than one location. He’s been told by past coworkers that assumed he sought their approval that he’s “one of the good ones”. Maybe they will shield him if things get out of hand.
Hopefully we never have to deal with some vigilante going off doing the lord’s work and taking matters into their own hands.

You should be afraid of armed vigilantes with torches and pitch forks who take it upon themselves to capture "illegals." Mobs aren't smart enough to discern whether you belong here. Look at the Sikhs who got murdered after 9-11. Even Hispanic people got accused of being "Arabs." Look at Trump's praise of the Charlottesville mob. He will encourage this.

+1 this is what I fear: vigilantes going around rounding up "them illegals".

I am Asian American; DH is a white European immigrant. I told DH that if we went to war with China, I could easily see the MAGA mob trying to round up all the "chin*s", including me because I look like one even though I'm not Chinese.

Those mobs wouldn't stop to ask for papers or where you're really from. They just attack. Look at how many Asian Americans were beat up during covid because people thought those Asian Americans brought covid in, and that included patients yelling at Asian American doctors who were trying to help them.

This type of hysteria is what Trump is good at stoking. It's frightening.

The only cases of Asians being beat up I’ve read about was robberies of Asian elderly people mostly in SF.

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Anonymous wrote:Putting aside the issue of morality or whatever you believe is right for the country. How exactly is this going to work? Door by door to round up 20 million people? Busses? Trains? Who is going to guard the deportees? Are we going to drop them off in Mexico?Fly them home? Where will the money come from? What if two illegal aliens have an American born child? What will happen to the kid?

I'm genuinely asking.

You start by not letting people in.

To answer your other question, having an American child is not a barrier to deportation. Thousands of immigrants with American children are getting deported every year. The anchor baby thing is a bunch of nonsense. Babies don’t anchor.

You didn't answer the question. Does the baby get deported too? The American citizen child?

Like everything else, it’s up to the parents. Take the child with them or leave with guardians here. Baby can stay, parents can’t. It happens every day.

It also causes an enormous amount of trauma to a child. And even if your are okay with that, writ large it becomes a problem for society. Have you seen the stats on where kids from foster care end up? Often not as productive members of society.

We're going to have lots more unproductive members of society with the current republican anti-abortion plan as well. Unwanted kids don't do well either. Between the traumatized kids of immigrants and traumatized unwanted kids, I'm not sure why republicans want a crime filled mad max style hellscape in 16-20 years, but they sure are working to create one.

So according to you, unborn babies are classified as undesirables and should be killed before birth.

Republicans don’t want illegal immigrants to leave their children in the US while they go back to their home countries. Republicans don’t judge an unborn baby as a criminal and a Mad Max character before they are even born and advocate for them to be destroyed for the hypothetical good of society. How is doing that not already a hellscape?

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No they don’t.
My DH used to joke about it taking an act of Congress to take his citizenship away. We don’t think that’s such a far stretch anymore.
Now he’s made sure all of our passports are in order and we have copies of his paperwork, including his DD-214, in more than one location. He’s been told by past coworkers that assumed he sought their approval that he’s “one of the good ones”. Maybe they will shield him if things get out of hand.
Hopefully we never have to deal with some vigilante going off doing the lord’s work and taking matters into their own hands.

You should be afraid of armed vigilantes with torches and pitch forks who take it upon themselves to capture "illegals." Mobs aren't smart enough to discern whether you belong here. Look at the Sikhs who got murdered after 9-11. Even Hispanic people got accused of being "Arabs." Look at Trump's praise of the Charlottesville mob. He will encourage this.

+1 this is what I fear: vigilantes going around rounding up "them illegals".

I am Asian American; DH is a white European immigrant. I told DH that if we went to war with China, I could easily see the MAGA mob trying to round up all the "chin*s", including me because I look like one even though I'm not Chinese.

Those mobs wouldn't stop to ask for papers or where you're really from. They just attack. Look at how many Asian Americans were beat up during covid because people thought those Asian Americans brought covid in, and that included patients yelling at Asian American doctors who were trying to help them.

This type of hysteria is what Trump is good at stoking. It's frightening.

The only cases of Asians being beat up I’ve read about was robberies of Asian elderly people mostly in SF.

During World War II, the United States forcibly relocated and incarcerated about 120,000 people of Japanese descent in ten concentration camps operated by the War Relocation Authority (WRA), mostly in the western interior of the country. Approximately two-thirds of the detainees were United States citizens. These actions were initiated by Executive Order 9066, issued by President Franklin D. Roosevelt on February 19, 1942, following Imperial Japan's attack on Pearl Harbor, Guam, the Philippines, and Wake Island in December 1941.

FDR was a democrat.

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Anonymous wrote:MAGA will need to consult history books to see how the Nazis did it.

You need to read some history. Nazi's rounded up their own citizens and sent them to death.

Repatriating illegal aliens to their country of origin is not that, FFS.

You should pick up a history book yourself. What do you think they called what they were doing to the Jewish people? DEPORTATIONS

And it neither started nor ended with just the Jewish people. The Nazis had a laundry list of people they othered and persecuted.

Illegal immigrants are the excuse to build the camps. They're the population people like you will be a-okay seeing them dragged kicking and screaming from their homes, thrown on busses and trains to God knows where.

But it doesn't end there. Once the camps are built, there will always be a new "other" to fill them with. And you'll find that eventually that "other" will include someone you care about. And it'll then be too late for you to do anything about it.

Talk about read some history. Read some your damn self. History doesn't repeat itself literally. It rhymes. If you think you can elect a fascist regime without some human right tragedies to go with it, you're stupid.

Do you think there should be immigration laws at all?

Lol you don't actually want to hear my answer to that question. Your head would explode. But I have a question for you. Do you think America should have concentration camps at the border? Are you okay becoming that country?

You know what, you’re right. I don’t. I am a recent immigrant. There is nothing you can tell me about the immigration process I don’t already know.

To answer your question, you invented this concentration camp business. No one said there would be any. People who are not legal to be here shouldn’t be here. If they are detained before deportation, I’m okay with that.

Your bigotry will come back to bite you if you think MAGA gives a rat's ass that you're a "legal" immigrant. If you're identifiably brown and foreign, you will be a target of these round ups.

I think it burns you that legal immigrants don’t have the same affection and sympathy for the illegal immigrants you expected them to have. Guess what, we don’t. We see them as line-jumpers.

You honestly think MAGA hates "illegal" immigrants because of bureaucracy? Because they didn't wait in line and fill out the right paperwork? You're a drooling moron.

The legal immigrants’ sentiment toward illegal immigrants does not change with presidential transitions. I don’t care what MAGA thinks. Didn’t care what Biden thought either. Don’t enter the country illegally. Not hard, really.

You should care what the people who you're planning to empower think. They'll not be making the distinction you're making between rule followers and rule breakers. That's not actually their issue. Their issue is they think POC are stealing resources (jobs, money, business, schools, etc.) from them, and they want them all gone.

Hate to break it to you, but the security you're taking for granted will not exist when they have power and their ire inevitably turns on anyone they deem "other." You think you're safe but you aren't.

Ms Vance doesn’t seem worried, does she?

Ms. Vance is a model minority.

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Anonymous wrote:MAGA will need to consult history books to see how the Nazis did it.

You need to read some history. Nazi's rounded up their own citizens and sent them to death.

Repatriating illegal aliens to their country of origin is not that, FFS.

You should pick up a history book yourself. What do you think they called what they were doing to the Jewish people? DEPORTATIONS

And it neither started nor ended with just the Jewish people. The Nazis had a laundry list of people they othered and persecuted.

Illegal immigrants are the excuse to build the camps. They're the population people like you will be a-okay seeing them dragged kicking and screaming from their homes, thrown on busses and trains to God knows where.

But it doesn't end there. Once the camps are built, there will always be a new "other" to fill them with. And you'll find that eventually that "other" will include someone you care about. And it'll then be too late for you to do anything about it.

Talk about read some history. Read some your damn self. History doesn't repeat itself literally. It rhymes. If you think you can elect a fascist regime without some human right tragedies to go with it, you're stupid.

Do you think there should be immigration laws at all?

Lol you don't actually want to hear my answer to that question. Your head would explode. But I have a question for you. Do you think America should have concentration camps at the border? Are you okay becoming that country?

You know what, you’re right. I don’t. I am a recent immigrant. There is nothing you can tell me about the immigration process I don’t already know.

To answer your question, you invented this concentration camp business. No one said there would be any. People who are not legal to be here shouldn’t be here. If they are detained before deportation, I’m okay with that.

Your bigotry will come back to bite you if you think MAGA gives a rat's ass that you're a "legal" immigrant. If you're identifiably brown and foreign, you will be a target of these round ups.

I think it burns you that legal immigrants don’t have the same affection and sympathy for the illegal immigrants you expected them to have. Guess what, we don’t. We see them as line-jumpers.

You honestly think MAGA hates "illegal" immigrants because of bureaucracy? Because they didn't wait in line and fill out the right paperwork? You're a drooling moron.

The legal immigrants’ sentiment toward illegal immigrants does not change with presidential transitions. I don’t care what MAGA thinks. Didn’t care what Biden thought either. Don’t enter the country illegally. Not hard, really.

You should care what the people who you're planning to empower think. They'll not be making the distinction you're making between rule followers and rule breakers. That's not actually their issue. Their issue is they think POC are stealing resources (jobs, money, business, schools, etc.) from them, and they want them all gone.

Hate to break it to you, but the security you're taking for granted will not exist when they have power and their ire inevitably turns on anyone they deem "other." You think you're safe but you aren't.

Wait you think all immigrants are brown? This explains so much…

Listen, the Indian and Asian parents in good school districts don’t seem too worried.

Oh, I'm fully aware that when Trump and the MAGAts speak of immigrants, they don't mean white immigrants. If PP is a white immigrant, that explains their confidence that the camps couldn't possibly be for them.

Every legal immigrant feels that confidence. No Indian or East Asian parent in McLean is losing any sleep over your camp fantasy.

But they are going to target Hispanics and not Asians isn’t the winning gotcha you think it is.

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Anonymous wrote:MAGA will need to consult history books to see how the Nazis did it.

You need to read some history. Nazi's rounded up their own citizens and sent them to death.

Repatriating illegal aliens to their country of origin is not that, FFS.

You should pick up a history book yourself. What do you think they called what they were doing to the Jewish people? DEPORTATIONS

And it neither started nor ended with just the Jewish people. The Nazis had a laundry list of people they othered and persecuted.

Illegal immigrants are the excuse to build the camps. They're the population people like you will be a-okay seeing them dragged kicking and screaming from their homes, thrown on busses and trains to God knows where.

But it doesn't end there. Once the camps are built, there will always be a new "other" to fill them with. And you'll find that eventually that "other" will include someone you care about. And it'll then be too late for you to do anything about it.

Talk about read some history. Read some your damn self. History doesn't repeat itself literally. It rhymes. If you think you can elect a fascist regime without some human right tragedies to go with it, you're stupid.

Do you think there should be immigration laws at all?

Lol you don't actually want to hear my answer to that question. Your head would explode. But I have a question for you. Do you think America should have concentration camps at the border? Are you okay becoming that country?

You know what, you’re right. I don’t. I am a recent immigrant. There is nothing you can tell me about the immigration process I don’t already know.

To answer your question, you invented this concentration camp business. No one said there would be any. People who are not legal to be here shouldn’t be here. If they are detained before deportation, I’m okay with that.

Your bigotry will come back to bite you if you think MAGA gives a rat's ass that you're a "legal" immigrant. If you're identifiably brown and foreign, you will be a target of these round ups.

I think it burns you that legal immigrants don’t have the same affection and sympathy for the illegal immigrants you expected them to have. Guess what, we don’t. We see them as line-jumpers.

You honestly think MAGA hates "illegal" immigrants because of bureaucracy? Because they didn't wait in line and fill out the right paperwork? You're a drooling moron.

The legal immigrants’ sentiment toward illegal immigrants does not change with presidential transitions. I don’t care what MAGA thinks. Didn’t care what Biden thought either. Don’t enter the country illegally. Not hard, really.

You should care what the people who you're planning to empower think. They'll not be making the distinction you're making between rule followers and rule breakers. That's not actually their issue. Their issue is they think POC are stealing resources (jobs, money, business, schools, etc.) from them, and they want them all gone.

Hate to break it to you, but the security you're taking for granted will not exist when they have power and their ire inevitably turns on anyone they deem "other." You think you're safe but you aren't.

Ms Vance doesn’t seem worried, does she?

Ms. Vance is a model minority.

Is she an illegal immigrant?

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Anonymous wrote:Putting aside the issue of morality or whatever you believe is right for the country. How exactly is this going to work? Door by door to round up 20 million people? Busses? Trains? Who is going to guard the deportees? Are we going to drop them off in Mexico?Fly them home? Where will the money come from? What if two illegal aliens have an American born child? What will happen to the kid?

I'm genuinely asking.

You start by not letting people in.

To answer your other question, having an American child is not a barrier to deportation. Thousands of immigrants with American children are getting deported every year. The anchor baby thing is a bunch of nonsense. Babies don’t anchor.

You didn't answer the question. Does the baby get deported too? The American citizen child?

Honestly there should be no citizenship for children whose parents are illegal

Okay. So change the Constitution. Because that one is pretty clearly a violation based on the plain language of the 14th Amendment.

Maybe pair it with dismantling the electoral college in a constitutional convention? Or a clear constitutional right to abortion, contraception, and gay marriage?

Yeah. Didn’t think so.

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Anonymous wrote:MAGA will need to consult history books to see how the Nazis did it.

They don’t need to see how the Nazis did it.
We have our own game plans we can trot back out from the 1930s and 1955.
How’s that song go?
“We’ve done it before and we can do it again”

“These were the “repatriation drives,” a series of informal raids that took place around the United States during the Great Depression. Local governments and officials deported up to 1.8 million people to Mexico, according to research conducted by Joseph Dunn, a former California state senator. Dunn estimates around 60 percent of these people were actually American citizens, many of them born in the U.S. to first-generation immigrants. For these citizens, deportation wasn’t “repatriation”—it was exile from their country”

https://www.history.com/news/great-depression-repatriation-drives-mexico-deportation

That's the fear, IMO. This will lead to profiling, and fear, such that all brown looking people will feel the need to carry around their birth certificate or passport to prove that they are US citizens.

There are some Hispanics who support Trump, and it would be the height of irony for these people to get rounded up. It's like that restaurant owner in the midwest who voted for Trump, then her illegal immigrant husband who had lived here for over a decade got deported. She thought Trump would only go after "those" people, not her husband. How stupid she was.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/trump-immigration-crackdown-causes-some-to-rethink-their-vote/

There’s nothing wrong with carrying an ID that shows legal status

Says someone who won’t be stopped several times a day and Texas and asked for their papers. And sent to jail while it gets sorted out the one time you forgot them.

I don’t want to live in a “show me your papers” Soviet style police state. Even as a middle age white women who would never be asked.

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SSI means you get medicaid and food stamps also. Israel and the Jewish community can provide those programs and benefits to illegal immigrants and “aliens.”

SSI: you can only get it as a non citizen if you are a refugee. Refugees get green cards (become legal permanent residents) and then get SSI if they are over 65.
No immigration status - no SSI.

Medicaid - I believe only one state gives their state version of Medicaid to people regardless of their immigration status. It’s CA.

Source: I research this for work

Correct. Noncitizens and illegal immigrant are not the same thing. Source: SSA employee here