European Parliament Elections Going Far Right

[Anonymous]

Exit poll. Labour 410, Conservatives 131. That's a 170 landslide majority but on the better end of Tory expectations. It's not a wipeout.

smaller parties: 61 Libdems, one MP below their all-time record. And a whopping 13 Reform MPs. Also 2 Greens.


8 years ago, it was the Brexit vote, that had the same foreign/Russia influence, that happened in the US in 2016.

Maybe England will try to undo that absolutely horrible vote as well.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Exit poll. Labour 410, Conservatives 131. That's a 170 landslide majority but on the better end of Tory expectations. It's not a wipeout.

smaller parties: 61 Libdems, one MP below their all-time record. And a whopping 13 Reform MPs. Also 2 Greens.


8 years ago, it was the Brexit vote, that had the same foreign/Russia influence, that happened in the US in 2016.

Maybe England will try to undo that absolutely horrible vote as well.

I think this is genuinely good news.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Exit poll. Labour 410, Conservatives 131. That's a 170 landslide majority but on the better end of Tory expectations. It's not a wipeout.

smaller parties: 61 Libdems, one MP below their all-time record. And a whopping 13 Reform MPs. Also 2 Greens.


8 years ago, it was the Brexit vote, that had the same foreign/Russia influence, that happened in the US in 2016.

Maybe England will try to undo that absolutely horrible vote as well.

That's an exit poll, let's see what the actual results are. Obviously Labour has a landslide majority but we'll see what the actual seat numbers are.

As for undoing Brexit, that will take two to tango. The EU would have to let them back in. I doubt they're waiting with open arms.

[Anonymous]

I'm in Germany right now and I can see a constant, uneasy standoff between ethnic Germans and the new arrivals from Arab nations. During the Spain/Germany soccer game last night, about a dozen police in riot gear were standing across the street from a döner restaurant, ready for action. And it was clear that action had already occurred, as one man was watching the game with bloody tissue stuffed up his nose and nursing a puffy cheek. There were no police outside of the restaurants with white and East Asian clientele.

Around 1030am this morning, a man walked around the downtown area holding a blue bottle of liquor, pausing occasionally to pick up entire metal trash cans (the public type for pedestrians) and heaving them to and fro. Police showed up-- lots of them-- and arrested him. Watching the scene unfold, a random German mam turned to us and said "if they kicked these people out, we wouldn't have these problems."

It occurred to me that in the US, no police would show up for fights or public disturbances. And no way, ever, would police wait outside a restaurant frequented by an ethnic minority. No matter what was happening there. Germans are orderly people and absolutely will not stand for this kind of hooliganism. We are much more tolerant of crime and tend to support perpetrators over victims. So I get why Europe is taking such a sharp right ward turn. This is completely upsetting their culture of order, safety, and respect.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Exit poll. Labour 410, Conservatives 131. That's a 170 landslide majority but on the better end of Tory expectations. It's not a wipeout.

smaller parties: 61 Libdems, one MP below their all-time record. And a whopping 13 Reform MPs. Also 2 Greens.


8 years ago, it was the Brexit vote, that had the same foreign/Russia influence, that happened in the US in 2016.

Maybe England will try to undo that absolutely horrible vote as well.

That's an exit poll, let's see what the actual results are. Obviously Labour has a landslide majority but we'll see what the actual seat numbers are.

As for undoing Brexit, that will take two to tango. The EU would have to let them back in. I doubt they're waiting with open arms.

I wouldn't take too much comfort in the Labour victory. They won a massive landslide but with only 35% of the vote. Their vote share was lower than the last two Tory victories even though those resulted in much smaller majorities. It was how the votes were divided among multiple parties and that the center right now has a threat in a new right wing party, splitting the conservative vote. There's no feelings of euphoria in Britain the way there was when Blair won in 1997.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Exit poll. Labour 410, Conservatives 131. That's a 170 landslide majority but on the better end of Tory expectations. It's not a wipeout.

smaller parties: 61 Libdems, one MP below their all-time record. And a whopping 13 Reform MPs. Also 2 Greens.


8 years ago, it was the Brexit vote, that had the same foreign/Russia influence, that happened in the US in 2016.

Maybe England will try to undo that absolutely horrible vote as well.

That's an exit poll, let's see what the actual results are. Obviously Labour has a landslide majority but we'll see what the actual seat numbers are.

As for undoing Brexit, that will take two to tango. The EU would have to let them back in. I doubt they're waiting with open arms.

I wouldn't take too much comfort in the Labour victory. They won a massive landslide but with only 35% of the vote. Their vote share was lower than the last two Tory victories even though those resulted in much smaller majorities. It was how the votes were divided among multiple parties and that the center right now has a threat in a new right wing party, splitting the conservative vote. There's no feelings of euphoria in Britain the way there was when Blair won in 1997.

I don’t know. Online people seem pretty pleased to be rid (relatively speaking) of the Tories.

Gee I wonder why our “liberal media” isn’t making total hay out of this for the liberals like they did for the right wingers’ victories in other countries.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Exit poll. Labour 410, Conservatives 131. That's a 170 landslide majority but on the better end of Tory expectations. It's not a wipeout.

smaller parties: 61 Libdems, one MP below their all-time record. And a whopping 13 Reform MPs. Also 2 Greens.


8 years ago, it was the Brexit vote, that had the same foreign/Russia influence, that happened in the US in 2016.

Maybe England will try to undo that absolutely horrible vote as well.

That's an exit poll, let's see what the actual results are. Obviously Labour has a landslide majority but we'll see what the actual seat numbers are.

As for undoing Brexit, that will take two to tango. The EU would have to let them back in. I doubt they're waiting with open arms.

I wouldn't take too much comfort in the Labour victory. They won a massive landslide but with only 35% of the vote. Their vote share was lower than the last two Tory victories even though those resulted in much smaller majorities. It was how the votes were divided among multiple parties and that the center right now has a threat in a new right wing party, splitting the conservative vote. There's no feelings of euphoria in Britain the way there was when Blair won in 1997.

I don’t know. Online people seem pretty pleased to be rid (relatively speaking) of the Tories.

Gee I wonder why our “liberal media” isn’t making total hay out of this for the liberals like they did for the right wingers’ victories in other countries.

I read British papers. Left is always happy when right loses. But the papers are pragmatic. Starmer has low approval ratings. It's that the Tories were even more unpopular. John Cutice, who is the most respected polling authority in Britain, said Labour's landslide is massive but thin.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I'm in Germany right now and I can see a constant, uneasy standoff between ethnic Germans and the new arrivals from Arab nations. During the Spain/Germany soccer game last night, about a dozen police in riot gear were standing across the street from a döner restaurant, ready for action. And it was clear that action had already occurred, as one man was watching the game with bloody tissue stuffed up his nose and nursing a puffy cheek. There were no police outside of the restaurants with white and East Asian clientele.

Around 1030am this morning, a man walked around the downtown area holding a blue bottle of liquor, pausing occasionally to pick up entire metal trash cans (the public type for pedestrians) and heaving them to and fro. Police showed up-- lots of them-- and arrested him. Watching the scene unfold, a random German mam turned to us and said "if they kicked these people out, we wouldn't have these problems."

It occurred to me that in the US, no police would show up for fights or public disturbances. And no way, ever, would police wait outside a restaurant frequented by an ethnic minority. No matter what was happening there. Germans are orderly people and absolutely will not stand for this kind of hooliganism. We are much more tolerant of crime and tend to support perpetrators over victims. So I get why Europe is taking such a sharp right ward turn. This is completely upsetting their culture of order, safety, and respect.

Omg this is gold. I hope the newcomers wipe you all out.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I'm in Germany right now and I can see a constant, uneasy standoff between ethnic Germans and the new arrivals from Arab nations. During the Spain/Germany soccer game last night, about a dozen police in riot gear were standing across the street from a döner restaurant, ready for action. And it was clear that action had already occurred, as one man was watching the game with bloody tissue stuffed up his nose and nursing a puffy cheek. There were no police outside of the restaurants with white and East Asian clientele.

Around 1030am this morning, a man walked around the downtown area holding a blue bottle of liquor, pausing occasionally to pick up entire metal trash cans (the public type for pedestrians) and heaving them to and fro. Police showed up-- lots of them-- and arrested him. Watching the scene unfold, a random German mam turned to us and said "if they kicked these people out, we wouldn't have these problems."

It occurred to me that in the US, no police would show up for fights or public disturbances. And no way, ever, would police wait outside a restaurant frequented by an ethnic minority. No matter what was happening there. Germans are orderly people and absolutely will not stand for this kind of hooliganism. We are much more tolerant of crime and tend to support perpetrators over victims. So I get why Europe is taking such a sharp right ward turn. This is completely upsetting their culture of order, safety, and respect.

I’m not sure what to make of your post aside from the fact you have made overarching observations based on just two incidents. You’re in Germany during the euros and there are riot police and tensions? Are you not at all aware of the long history of hooliganism and soccer in Europe? Of course the police are ready for trouble. You clearly didn’t see the pictures of the violent clashes between Serbs and English fans. It’s the biggest deployment of police since 1951!

You also seem unaware that doners are the most popular snack food in Germany. Everyone goes to them, not just ‘ethnics’. Exactly the sort of place hyped up and aggressive soccer fans will get something to eat after a match. Not surprising police might have been nearby. Probably not a lot action at the Chinese takeaway.

You mention tension with new arrivals. Who exactly do you mean? You realise about 5% of the population is Turkish and many are 4th or 5th generation? Many Turks Wenge too Germany as migrant workers in the 1960s. Or you mean the Syrian refugees admitted by Angela Merkel. Can you even tell the difference?

Be careful about extrapolating from a couple of incidents when you don’t actually have a good understanding of a place.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm in Germany right now and I can see a constant, uneasy standoff between ethnic Germans and the new arrivals from Arab nations. During the Spain/Germany soccer game last night, about a dozen police in riot gear were standing across the street from a döner restaurant, ready for action. And it was clear that action had already occurred, as one man was watching the game with bloody tissue stuffed up his nose and nursing a puffy cheek. There were no police outside of the restaurants with white and East Asian clientele.

Around 1030am this morning, a man walked around the downtown area holding a blue bottle of liquor, pausing occasionally to pick up entire metal trash cans (the public type for pedestrians) and heaving them to and fro. Police showed up-- lots of them-- and arrested him. Watching the scene unfold, a random German mam turned to us and said "if they kicked these people out, we wouldn't have these problems."

It occurred to me that in the US, no police would show up for fights or public disturbances. And no way, ever, would police wait outside a restaurant frequented by an ethnic minority. No matter what was happening there. Germans are orderly people and absolutely will not stand for this kind of hooliganism. We are much more tolerant of crime and tend to support perpetrators over victims. So I get why Europe is taking such a sharp right ward turn. This is completely upsetting their culture of order, safety, and respect.

Omg this is gold. I hope the newcomers wipe you all out.

I mean, the Germans have been the hooligans themselves in the past (see: Hitler, Nazis) but ok.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Exit poll. Labour 410, Conservatives 131. That's a 170 landslide majority but on the better end of Tory expectations. It's not a wipeout.

smaller parties: 61 Libdems, one MP below their all-time record. And a whopping 13 Reform MPs. Also 2 Greens.


8 years ago, it was the Brexit vote, that had the same foreign/Russia influence, that happened in the US in 2016.

Maybe England will try to undo that absolutely horrible vote as well.

That's an exit poll, let's see what the actual results are. Obviously Labour has a landslide majority but we'll see what the actual seat numbers are.

As for undoing Brexit, that will take two to tango. The EU would have to let them back in. I doubt they're waiting with open arms.

I wouldn't take too much comfort in the Labour victory. They won a massive landslide but with only 35% of the vote. Their vote share was lower than the last two Tory victories even though those resulted in much smaller majorities. It was how the votes were divided among multiple parties and that the center right now has a threat in a new right wing party, splitting the conservative vote. There's no feelings of euphoria in Britain the way there was when Blair won in 1997.

I don’t know. Online people seem pretty pleased to be rid (relatively speaking) of the Tories.

Gee I wonder why our “liberal media” isn’t making total hay out of this for the liberals like they did for the right wingers’ victories in other countries.

I read British papers. Left is always happy when right loses. But the papers are pragmatic. Starmer has low approval ratings. It's that the Tories were even more unpopular. John Cutice, who is the most respected polling authority in Britain, said Labour's landslide is massive but thin.

I think it’s a reasonable place to be. Labor won, but they can’t go totally crazy because they don’t have a clear mandate.

[Anonymous]

There's a huge difference in immigration to the US and to Europe. People that come to the US mostly do so to become American. It's certainly not a smooth experience all the time. Look at the Irish. Or the Italians. Or the Mexicans. But generally, by the third generation their children are no different in attitudes and cultural norms than the descendants that came over on the Mayflower.

Europe is different. They are distinct nation states. A Swede is a Swede. A German is a German. An Italian is an Italian. But the immigrants that have been coming over to Europe over the past 15 years - mostly Arabs and those from the Maghreb - have no interest in becoming a Swede. Or a German. Or an Italian. They are not assuming the cultural and social norms of their European countries. They are bringing Iraq or Syria to Europe. And that has led to conflict, crime, resentment and so on. And it's not changing generation to generation. Most of the young people rioting, and committing crime, and harassing and assaulting women in places like France have families that have been in France for 40/50/60 years.

And Europeans are fed up. They have long felt safe in their communities. And now they don't because these immigrants are not accepting the basic cultural norms of most European countries. So they are increasingly turning to right wing anti-immigrant parties since centrists and leftists have done nothing to address their concerns.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:There's a huge difference in immigration to the US and to Europe. People that come to the US mostly do so to become American. It's certainly not a smooth experience all the time. Look at the Irish. Or the Italians. Or the Mexicans. But generally, by the third generation their children are no different in attitudes and cultural norms than the descendants that came over on the Mayflower.

Europe is different. They are distinct nation states. A Swede is a Swede. A German is a German. An Italian is an Italian. But the immigrants that have been coming over to Europe over the past 15 years - mostly Arabs and those from the Maghreb - have no interest in becoming a Swede. Or a German. Or an Italian. They are not assuming the cultural and social norms of their European countries. They are bringing Iraq or Syria to Europe. And that has led to conflict, crime, resentment and so on. And it's not changing generation to generation. Most of the young people rioting, and committing crime, and harassing and assaulting women in places like France have families that have been in France for 40/50/60 years.

And Europeans are fed up. They have long felt safe in their communities. And now they don't because these immigrants are not accepting the basic cultural norms of most European countries. So they are increasingly turning to right wing anti-immigrant parties since centrists and leftists have done nothing to address their concerns.

Those people aren't there to assimilate. They are there to dominate.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm in Germany right now and I can see a constant, uneasy standoff between ethnic Germans and the new arrivals from Arab nations. During the Spain/Germany soccer game last night, about a dozen police in riot gear were standing across the street from a döner restaurant, ready for action. And it was clear that action had already occurred, as one man was watching the game with bloody tissue stuffed up his nose and nursing a puffy cheek. There were no police outside of the restaurants with white and East Asian clientele.

Around 1030am this morning, a man walked around the downtown area holding a blue bottle of liquor, pausing occasionally to pick up entire metal trash cans (the public type for pedestrians) and heaving them to and fro. Police showed up-- lots of them-- and arrested him. Watching the scene unfold, a random German mam turned to us and said "if they kicked these people out, we wouldn't have these problems."

It occurred to me that in the US, no police would show up for fights or public disturbances. And no way, ever, would police wait outside a restaurant frequented by an ethnic minority. No matter what was happening there. Germans are orderly people and absolutely will not stand for this kind of hooliganism. We are much more tolerant of crime and tend to support perpetrators over victims. So I get why Europe is taking such a sharp right ward turn. This is completely upsetting their culture of order, safety, and respect.

Omg this is gold. I hope the newcomers wipe you all out.

If you want to be in an Arab nation, no one is stopping you. But Germans are well within their rights to expect assimilation.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm in Germany right now and I can see a constant, uneasy standoff between ethnic Germans and the new arrivals from Arab nations. During the Spain/Germany soccer game last night, about a dozen police in riot gear were standing across the street from a döner restaurant, ready for action. And it was clear that action had already occurred, as one man was watching the game with bloody tissue stuffed up his nose and nursing a puffy cheek. There were no police outside of the restaurants with white and East Asian clientele.

Around 1030am this morning, a man walked around the downtown area holding a blue bottle of liquor, pausing occasionally to pick up entire metal trash cans (the public type for pedestrians) and heaving them to and fro. Police showed up-- lots of them-- and arrested him. Watching the scene unfold, a random German mam turned to us and said "if they kicked these people out, we wouldn't have these problems."

It occurred to me that in the US, no police would show up for fights or public disturbances. And no way, ever, would police wait outside a restaurant frequented by an ethnic minority. No matter what was happening there. Germans are orderly people and absolutely will not stand for this kind of hooliganism. We are much more tolerant of crime and tend to support perpetrators over victims. So I get why Europe is taking such a sharp right ward turn. This is completely upsetting their culture of order, safety, and respect.

I’m not sure what to make of your post aside from the fact you have made overarching observations based on just two incidents. You’re in Germany during the euros and there are riot police and tensions? Are you not at all aware of the long history of hooliganism and soccer in Europe? Of course the police are ready for trouble. You clearly didn’t see the pictures of the violent clashes between Serbs and English fans. It’s the biggest deployment of police since 1951!

You also seem unaware that doners are the most popular snack food in Germany. Everyone goes to them, not just ‘ethnics’. Exactly the sort of place hyped up and aggressive soccer fans will get something to eat after a match. Not surprising police might have been nearby. Probably not a lot action at the Chinese takeaway.

You mention tension with new arrivals. Who exactly do you mean? You realise about 5% of the population is Turkish and many are 4th or 5th generation? Many Turks Wenge too Germany as migrant workers in the 1960s. Or you mean the Syrian refugees admitted by Angela Merkel. Can you even tell the difference?

Be careful about extrapolating from a couple of incidents when you don’t actually have a good understanding of a place.

I have quite a long history with Germany. Re-read my post. The police were stationed in front of döner spots, and the clientele during this game was indeed almost entirely Arab. The police WERE NOT outside of the restaurants with ethnically German and/or East Asian clientele. They weren't. I saw this with my own eyes, and you're free to disbelieve that but you can't tell me I didn't see what I saw.

As you point out, the Turks have been in Germany for generations and cannot be considered new arrivals. The Turkish population has assimilated. I am instead referring to the nearly 25% of Germany's population with an immigrant background in the traditional sense (not 3rd or 4th generation guest worker sense). The most common nation of origin for immigrants to Germany is Syria.

I'm not making generalizations based on one experience. I'm making them based on a palpable vibe shift that has occurred over the course of a decade, which I've observed both in person and in discussions with ethnically German relatives and friends.

You can cover your eyes and pretend this isn't happening, like people pretended that Biden has the youth and vigor of a much younger man. It doesn't change it. Europe is, without question, taking a dramatic swing to the right, and they are telling you why. You can believe they are unjustified, but they live in democracies and get to have a say on the issues in their nations.