European Parliament Elections Going Far Right

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Anonymous wrote:The non-LePen parties will coalesce in the second round against the far right to mitigate the impact.

Given the choice centrists will drift right, not left. New world order is not going to happen, a return to nationalism is unstoppable. It is for the best for all.

The EU was a mistake from the beginning. Brits were just ahead of the curve in realizing it.

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Anonymous wrote:Reminder that the UK will be moving to the left at their next election, after years of conservative government. That's how it usually goes--people get tired of whichever party/coalition is in power after a while and want something new.

Pretty much! But a lot of people don't have the brain power to understand this.

Bit more complicated than that. People do get tired and want a change. But some elections are different. UK Tories are going to be destroyed, possibly past recovery point, because their own voters are turning against the party for failing to be conservative. If you look at British polling the combined Tory and Reform vote would be enough to deny Labour an outright victory as it's close to equivalent share. But as current works, their votes cancel each other out. There's pent up anger at the Tories from their own voters and that is why, and it's for similar reasons why Marie Le Pen is winning.

What is interesting, however, is that the Tories are starting to pick up a lot of women, and I think that’s underreported in the polls. I think this election is going to be closer than the pundits think.

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Anonymous wrote:Reminder that the UK will be moving to the left at their next election, after years of conservative government. That's how it usually goes--people get tired of whichever party/coalition is in power after a while and want something new.

Pretty much! But a lot of people don't have the brain power to understand this.

Bit more complicated than that. People do get tired and want a change. But some elections are different. UK Tories are going to be destroyed, possibly past recovery point, because their own voters are turning against the party for failing to be conservative. If you look at British polling the combined Tory and Reform vote would be enough to deny Labour an outright victory as it's close to equivalent share. But as current works, their votes cancel each other out. There's pent up anger at the Tories from their own voters and that is why, and it's for similar reasons why Marie Le Pen is winning.

What is interesting, however, is that the Tories are starting to pick up a lot of women, and I think that’s underreported in the polls. I think this election is going to be closer than the pundits think.

Starting to? How about Penny Mordaunt, Liz Truss, Suella Braverman, Priti Patel. You think anybody will vote for the Torys for promoting them?!! They're as bad as their male Tory colleagues. Some are worse.

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Anonymous wrote:Reminder that the UK will be moving to the left at their next election, after years of conservative government. That's how it usually goes--people get tired of whichever party/coalition is in power after a while and want something new.

Pretty much! But a lot of people don't have the brain power to understand this.

Bit more complicated than that. People do get tired and want a change. But some elections are different. UK Tories are going to be destroyed, possibly past recovery point, because their own voters are turning against the party for failing to be conservative. If you look at British polling the combined Tory and Reform vote would be enough to deny Labour an outright victory as it's close to equivalent share. But as current works, their votes cancel each other out. There's pent up anger at the Tories from their own voters and that is why, and it's for similar reasons why Marie Le Pen is winning.

What is interesting, however, is that the Tories are starting to pick up a lot of women, and I think that’s underreported in the polls. I think this election is going to be closer than the pundits think.

People get tired and just want a change? It is pretty hard to deny that the Tories have presided over a massive declined in the NHS, social services, etc and, given they have been in power for 14 years, there's really nobody else to hold to account. Why do you think the voters are turning against them for failing to be conservative? I don't see that anywgere. Most recent polls show a high level of Bregret (ie regret at voting for Brexit).

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The non-LePen parties will coalesce in the second round against the far right to mitigate the impact.

Given the choice centrists will drift right, not left. New world order is not going to happen, a return to nationalism is unstoppable. It is for the best for all.

The EU was a mistake from the beginning. Brits were just ahead of the curve in realizing it.

What makes you think it was a mistake?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Reminder that the UK will be moving to the left at their next election, after years of conservative government. That's how it usually goes--people get tired of whichever party/coalition is in power after a while and want something new.

Pretty much! But a lot of people don't have the brain power to understand this.

Bit more complicated than that. People do get tired and want a change. But some elections are different. UK Tories are going to be destroyed, possibly past recovery point, because their own voters are turning against the party for failing to be conservative. If you look at British polling the combined Tory and Reform vote would be enough to deny Labour an outright victory as it's close to equivalent share. But as current works, their votes cancel each other out. There's pent up anger at the Tories from their own voters and that is why, and it's for similar reasons why Marie Le Pen is winning.

What is interesting, however, is that the Tories are starting to pick up a lot of women, and I think that’s underreported in the polls. I think this election is going to be closer than the pundits think.

People get tired and just want a change? It is pretty hard to deny that the Tories have presided over a massive declined in the NHS, social services, etc and, given they have been in power for 14 years, there's really nobody else to hold to account. Why do you think the voters are turning against them for failing to be conservative? I don't see that anywgere. Most recent polls show a high level of Bregret (ie regret at voting for Brexit).

Agreed voters are tired. But I think Labour is vastly overestimating their popularity. They will win, but I don’t think it will be as close as they keep saying.

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Anonymous wrote:The consequences of the election are already being felt. Macron is calling for a snap election.

OP, I have family in Europe too and am watching closely.

BREAKING:
French President Emanuel Macron said Sunday he was dissolving the National Assembly and calling a snap legislative election after his party suffered a heavy defeat in elections for the European Parliament.

In an address to the nation from the Elysee presidential palace, Macron said: “I’ve decided to give you back the choice of our parliamentary future through the vote. I am therefore dissolving the National Assembly.” The vote will take place in two rounds on June 30 and July 7, he said.

The move comes as first projected results from France on Sunday put the far-right National Rally party well ahead in the European Union’s parliamentary election, defeating Macron’s pro-European centrists, according to French opinion poll institutes.

https://apnews.com/article/france-macron-election-legislative-parliament-national-rally-07b742fe000170af8ee410e292bf23e2

OP here. Same. I’m watching this really closely. I don’t think people in the US understand what a big deal this is.

Just a precursor for what will happen in the US in November.

This is what democrats here are loath to understand. They have overplayed their hand with trans rights, abortion all day every day and twice on Sunday and a country being overrun with illegal aliens.

Head on over to the "Why 30-40 year old are Republicans" to see it happening in real time.

Women are concerned about being erased, it especially pronounced and violent in the UK with trans activist and the loss of free speech. Making it a crime to say that one cannot change their sex! Anyone paying attention with Biden's EO that not using someone's made up pronouns is now illegal in the workforce. Completely ruining Title IX by getting rid of sex segregated spaces and protections.

Illegal aliens changing entire cities in a mere 3.5 years. Groceries are still 17-20% high then back in 2020.

But democrats are just tut-tutting us saying it is all in our head you silly girl. Crowing that this is best economy/presidency/no crime period ever!

Similar scenarios are playing out across the pond and people are pissed.

I don't believe these issues reflect the same in American politics. What American youth voters are pissed about is the lack of Democrat policy that feels like it applies to them. A single housing reform bill would make youth voters leap at the opportunity to vote dem. The Dems have become too comfortable in believing A) young people will never vote and B) those who do, will mostly vote democrat.

[Anonymous]

The French elections were such a mess. Too many parties willing to align with extremes to save themselves. It's not very different from regular GOP turning to Trump and legitimizing him. When I see the ex-President of France Hollande, who is such a boring, moderate figure, align with Melenchon because he doesn't want the far-right, I wonder what is wrong with people, making a pact with one evil to prevent another. And the saddest part is it didn't even work.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I don’t know how many of you follow European politics, but in the recent European Parliament elections (held in 27 countries) far-right parties have surged.

https://www.euronews.com/my-europe/2024/06/09/eu-election-results-hang-in-the-balance-as-polls-close

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/06/09/world/europe/european-parliament-elections-far-right.html

I will say that I’m not sure the label “far-right” is still fully accurate for some of them; I think that the political spectrum is re-aligning. But still, this is a significant event.

As someone with family in Europe, I don’t think I’ve ever seen as big of a gap between what mainstream media and politicians are saying voters want and what voters actually want. I wonder if the same thing is going on here.

World wide. Tyne same issue

Elites in power want cheap workers and allow overwhelming immigration

Workers realizing this is poor policy for their economic interests

Elites in power act shocked

I consider labor shortages wonderful. I have never known anything bad to come from a labor shortage, and what we are doing with our immigration policy is keeping the labor market in constant surplus.

Vernon Briggs
Cornell Labor Economist

The underlying truth about the immigration battle is that is is fundamentally between those with an insatiable appetite for more cheap, disposable, foreign workers, and those who embrace the social good of tight labor markets.

[Anonymous]

All the Tories had to do was push through Brexit in a real way. That was their mandate. They chose not to do it, and now they face oblivion.

I'm sure the intel blob that runs the Anglosphere was involved heavily behind the scenes. They basically call the shots in all such countries including quite obviously our own.

The only rational conclusion behind this is that the forces and pressures are subversive:

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[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don’t know how many of you follow European politics, but in the recent European Parliament elections (held in 27 countries) far-right parties have surged.

https://www.euronews.com/my-europe/2024/06/09/eu-election-results-hang-in-the-balance-as-polls-close

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/06/09/world/europe/european-parliament-elections-far-right.html

I will say that I’m not sure the label “far-right” is still fully accurate for some of them; I think that the political spectrum is re-aligning. But still, this is a significant event.

As someone with family in Europe, I don’t think I’ve ever seen as big of a gap between what mainstream media and politicians are saying voters want and what voters actually want. I wonder if the same thing is going on here.

World wide. Tyne same issue

Elites in power want cheap workers and allow overwhelming immigration

Workers realizing this is poor policy for their economic interests

Elites in power act shocked

I consider labor shortages wonderful. I have never known anything bad to come from a labor shortage, and what we are doing with our immigration policy is keeping the labor market in constant surplus.

Vernon Briggs
Cornell Labor Economist

The underlying truth about the immigration battle is that is is fundamentally between those with an insatiable appetite for more cheap, disposable, foreign workers, and those who embrace the social good of tight labor markets.

Well said. Democrats have their unvetted,‘unlimited open borders — and their cheap labor.

[Anonymous]

RCP has a article by a young woman living in Paris who describes her new reality. She cannot walk alone without getting whistled at or harassed. She must carry pepper spray while walking her dog. Men loiter on street corners, getting high and bothering women. She no longer uses public transport and looks around constantly while unlocking her apartment door. And 100% of the time, the man bothering her is non-French.
Reading this I thought it sounded like life in any American city, but she says that 10 years ago urban life was not like this. Women generally felt comfortable. And decades ago my mother used to take the bus to downtown Detroit to go to work without incident. Women suffer when societal norms collapse.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:RCP has a article by a young woman living in Paris who describes her new reality. She cannot walk alone without getting whistled at or harassed. She must carry pepper spray while walking her dog. Men loiter on street corners, getting high and bothering women. She no longer uses public transport and looks around constantly while unlocking her apartment door. And 100% of the time, the man bothering her is non-French.
Reading this I thought it sounded like life in any American city, but she says that 10 years ago urban life was not like this. Women generally felt comfortable. And decades ago my mother used to take the bus to downtown Detroit to go to work without incident. Women suffer when societal norms collapse.

That was fake.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:RCP has a article by a young woman living in Paris who describes her new reality. She cannot walk alone without getting whistled at or harassed. She must carry pepper spray while walking her dog. Men loiter on street corners, getting high and bothering women. She no longer uses public transport and looks around constantly while unlocking her apartment door. And 100% of the time, the man bothering her is non-French.
Reading this I thought it sounded like life in any American city, but she says that 10 years ago urban life was not like this. Women generally felt comfortable. And decades ago my mother used to take the bus to downtown Detroit to go to work without incident. Women suffer when societal norms collapse.

That’s not what it’s like in an American city now, and it’s not what Paris was like last year when we visited. This is just racial hysteria. Putin and his Trump minions have been pushing this stuff to weaken our coalitions. It’s not an accident, they’re tapping into our ids.

However, men are going to men and I was groped on public transit and once in a church and ogled when I was a teen on a trip with my family through various European countries way back in the 1990s, by white European men who were from those countries and not immigrants.

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Anonymous wrote:RCP has a article by a young woman living in Paris who describes her new reality. She cannot walk alone without getting whistled at or harassed. She must carry pepper spray while walking her dog. Men loiter on street corners, getting high and bothering women. She no longer uses public transport and looks around constantly while unlocking her apartment door. And 100% of the time, the man bothering her is non-French.
Reading this I thought it sounded like life in any American city, but she says that 10 years ago urban life was not like this. Women generally felt comfortable. And decades ago my mother used to take the bus to downtown Detroit to go to work without incident. Women suffer when societal norms collapse.

That was fake.

How do you know? Can you link?