Mass shooting at KC Chiefs victory parade

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The US has the highest firearm homicide rate in the developed world

The US was home to 4% of the world’s population but accounted for 44% of global suicides by firearm in 2019

No other developed nation has mass shootings at the same scale or frequency as the US

The United States is the only nation in the world where civilian guns outnumber people.

Gun-related deaths reduced after the introduction of stricter laws in countries

https://www.cnn.com/2021/11/26/world/us-gun-culture-world-comparison-intl-cmd/index.html?utm_source=pocket-newtab-en-us

Added one more fact from the article.

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Anonymous wrote:If the presence of 800 LEOs ("good guys") isn't enough to deter gun crime, then we are truly living in a lawless time. Expecting "good guys" to bail us out each and every time is simply not realistic. Reducing the number of guns and making it harder to get them is what's needed.

I disagree.
Making it harder for law abiding citizens to own firearms will result in criminals being the ones with the weapons.
Law abiding citizens should be free to defend themselves and their loved ones.
After all, when seconds matter, the police are just minutes away.
The solution is getting criminals off the streets. Let's find out what the rap sheets are on these shooters.

INCORRECT. Every gun used by a criminal originally started out in the hands of a supposed "law abiding citizen." Every single one. That shows that there aren't enough controls on the supposed law-abiders. There are far too many people who can legally purchase guns skirting laws to funnel them to criminals, there are far too many irresponsible law abiding criminals who fail to secure their guns, who let friends and relatives with criminal records or criminal intent get guns through them and so on. The more checks, balances and controls in place, the harder it will be for criminals to get guns.

How are laws going to make it harder for criminals to get guns?

The issue: CRIMINALS DON’T ABIDE BY LAWS.

We have laws against murder, rape, kidnapping, theft, drunk driving: those crimes still happen EVERY DAY.


Laws don’t change criminal behavior; laws punish criminals who commit crimes.

I don’t rape people, steal, kill, etc, because I have no desire to do those things. I am not sitting at home thinking: “hmmmm, boy oh boy, I sure would like to go rape and murder some people. But gosh darn it! Those laws say I can’t! So now I can’t! Curse those laws from keeping me from doing evil! Oh well, guess I will go check out my tomato plants in the garden, instead.”

You are very confused. Nobody is saying that illegal guns = no more murder. We are saying that guns have a higher kill rate than other tools that murderers commonly use and therefor fewer guns in circulation = less death and innocent bystander carnage whenever thugs fight or whatever the actions of the criminal. This is not rocket science yet you guys can’t seem to comprehend the actual debate here.

"The laws that forbid the carrying of arms are laws of such a nature. They disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes.... Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man."
- Thomas Jefferson, Commonplace Book (quoting 18th century criminologist Cesare Beccaria), 1774-1776

The reason why gun control will never happen is stated above. Every law abiding gun owner knows they are judged as criminal because our founders gave America the 2nd Amendment, and we dare exercise our constitutional right to own guns.

We know that the powerful politicians who want to enact gun control upon us are protected by men armed with fully automatic weapons and those men are specifically and extensively trained to use those fully automatic weapons with violence against a person who would hurt that powerful politician and their family. Those powerful politicians will not give up their right to be protected by guns, but we must give up our right to protect ourselves with guns?

I don’t ever see posters attack and malign actual criminals who have committed crimes with guns and killed innocent people with guns as viciously as they attack and malign American citizens who are legally armed and responsibly armed and merely exercising their rights guaranteed by the 2nd Amendment.

That’s because the problem isn’t really about gun crime and the death of innocent people. The problem is democrats (a majority) don’t like guns, don’t want Americans to own guns, and want to take away the ability of American citizens to own guns.

How about this: if you use a gun in a rape, theft, or murder, you are executed the same day you are convicted of the rape, theft, or murder.

If you steal a gun, and you are convicted of the theft of that gun, the gun owner or the court will execute you with that gun.

You want to actually change human behavior and criminal behavior, give criminals a reason to be terrified to be convicted of using a gun to commit a crime or to steal a gun.

Instead of fantasizing about using Bradleys and “attack” helicopters on normal Americans, use capital punishment on criminals who are engaging in gun crime. Don’t say it’s cruel or unusual punishment to do so, because you openly admit to wanting the American military to kill law abiding citizens just because they own guns.

Those are some warped and bloodthirsty execution fantasies right there.

You are also making a false comparison with this line: “Those powerful politicians will not give up their right to be protected by guns, but we must give up our right to protect ourselves with guns?”

The politicians don’t carry assault weapons around in self defense. They hire trained security to use the guns. I would be ok if private citizens could hire professional security.

Aren’t you a generous person? You are ok with allowing private citizens to hire professional security?

How much does 24 hour private security cost? How do you suggest that Americans pay for that?


Ballpark Costs for Bodyguards:

The average cost to hire a single, experienced armed guard with a military background is $60-$100 per hour.
That makes the monthly cost for a one-guard security detail working in shifts at a range of $43,200/mo – $72,000/mo.
Annually, that brings the annual total for 24/7 protection to between $518,400/year – $864,000/year.

So you expect Americans to be stripped of their gun rights because criminals don’t obey laws, and pay over half a million for 24 hour private security for an armed guard to have a gun and protect them?

If you vote democrat^^^this is what you vote for. An absolute tw@t explaining you don’t need or deserve the right to protect yourself, your home, our your family.

You're a completely unserious person coming it from completely the wrong angle.

It would be much cheaper to vote for robust and coherent gun control policies which would significantly reduce the NEED for armed private security in the first place. This has been repeately proven in country after country.

We don’t need to pay for private security because we have the 2nd Amendment.

Which countrirs had private citizens paying for 24 hour private security and
voted for gun control and had their need for private security significantly reduced?

You said it has been proven in country after country? Show data.

OMG you don’t need private security because you are not a target. Who do you think you are?

The people shot and injured and killed at this parade- the topic of this thread- were they people you consider a target?

Why were they shot? Were the 20 people shot and 1 person killed high value targets?

You are so dumb you can’t process information. The very people we are discussing illustrate the problem you deny exists.

If you like being shot dead in the street, your kids and family helpless and disarmed, and gaslight by democrats- keep voting for democrats.

Parade goers tackled and disarmed these juvenile shooters when about 800 police were present. You can’t depend on police to save your life or your family’s life.

You will be disarmed, the police won’t save you, and democrats will tell you you are crazy because you want to exercise your 2nd Amendment rights.

Guns were not illegal when these people were shot so what on earth gives you the idea that the 2nd amendment protects innocent people? Why didn’t anyone shoot the criminals then? My point is that private citizens are not going to protect themselves from stray bullets with their own gun. There would just be more stray bullets whizzing all over the place. Armed security are trained professionals and will not cause the same kind of collateral damage that uncle Buck or aunt Sue would playing Rambo.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Remember: people who are posting here about implementing gun control, and anyone who otherwise is a gun control proponent, is not disturbed by every communist regime banning their citizens from owning guns and then killing millions of their own citizens.

They literally don’t care.

They say oh, that’s not going to happen in America! Never!!

Then why not just prosecute people who commit gun crimes? Why is it so awful for law abiding Americans to own guns?

Read about communist regimes and their policies on gun control and ownership.

Read about how many of their own citizens they killed.

There is a reason why every communist government banned gun ownership and possession. They don’t want their people to have the ability to defend themselves or fight back.

When did Canada become communist? Stop being so obtuse, you just sound foolish.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:How did so many children get shot? The 22 victims range in age from 8 to 47, Graves said, adding that half are younger than 16.

A shooting that killed a local DJ and injured more than 20 others, including children, at the end of the Kansas City Chiefs’ Super Bowl victory rally on Wednesday appears to have stemmed from a dispute between several people, according to the city's police chief.

Authorities say two juveniles remain in custody while police investigate the violence that overshadowed the celebration. A third person, an adult, was released Thursday after officials deemed them uninvolved in the shooting.

One of the three people detained in the wake of Wednesday’s Super Bowl celebration shooting has been released, the Kansas City Police Department said. That person was determined not to have been involved, a police spokesperson tells CNN.

Only two juvenile teens are currently in custody in connection with the incident, according to the police department.

"A third person who was in custody was determined to not be involved," spokesperson Alayna Gonzalez said.

"The two juveniles are currently being held in custody while we work with juvenile prosecutors to review investigative findings and determine applicable charges," the spokesperson added. "The juvenile court system determines the custody status of all juvenile arrests."



https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2024/02/14/us/kansas-city-chiefs-rally-shooting-thursday/index.html

I don't understand your question. When there's a shooting at an event attended by thousands of families, kids are injured. What are you picturing exactly?

[Anonymous]

Look at trone’s tweets today. He calls for more gun laws then hours later says too many POC are in prison

[Anonymous]

Welp, this is what you get when guns are more important than people.

[Anonymous]

Two minors arrested on gun related charges.
I only hope they decide to charge these punks as adults. They deserve hard time.

Two juveniles were charged on Thursday, February 15, 2024, by the Office of the Juvenile Officer related to the incident at the Chiefs' rally on February 14, 2024," the court said.

"The juveniles are currently detained in secure detention at the Juvenile Detention Center on gun related and resisting arrest charges," the court continued in the Friday statement.

The Friday statement continued, "It is anticipated that additional charges are expected in the future as the investigation by the Kansas City Police Department continues."

https://www.foxnews.com/us/two-minors-charged-connection-kansas-city-chiefs-parade-shooting?intcmp=tw_fnc

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Two minors arrested on gun related charges.
I only hope they decide to charge these punks as adults. They deserve hard time.

Two juveniles were charged on Thursday, February 15, 2024, by the Office of the Juvenile Officer related to the incident at the Chiefs' rally on February 14, 2024," the court said.

"The juveniles are currently detained in secure detention at the Juvenile Detention Center on gun related and resisting arrest charges," the court continued in the Friday statement.

The Friday statement continued, "It is anticipated that additional charges are expected in the future as the investigation by the Kansas City Police Department continues."

https://www.foxnews.com/us/two-minors-charged-connection-kansas-city-chiefs-parade-shooting?intcmp=tw_fnc

What are their names? Photos?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Two minors arrested on gun related charges.
I only hope they decide to charge these punks as adults. They deserve hard time.

Two juveniles were charged on Thursday, February 15, 2024, by the Office of the Juvenile Officer related to the incident at the Chiefs' rally on February 14, 2024," the court said.

"The juveniles are currently detained in secure detention at the Juvenile Detention Center on gun related and resisting arrest charges," the court continued in the Friday statement.

The Friday statement continued, "It is anticipated that additional charges are expected in the future as the investigation by the Kansas City Police Department continues."

https://www.foxnews.com/us/two-minors-charged-connection-kansas-city-chiefs-parade-shooting?intcmp=tw_fnc

Wait - I thought we were all hoping these were two MAGAs.

Should we all be disappointed they are NOT MAGA ??

These are the teens that are being blamed. Undoubtedly the real shooters were MAGA and this is a massive coverup.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:Two minors arrested on gun related charges.
I only hope they decide to charge these punks as adults. They deserve hard time.

Two juveniles were charged on Thursday, February 15, 2024, by the Office of the Juvenile Officer related to the incident at the Chiefs' rally on February 14, 2024," the court said.

"The juveniles are currently detained in secure detention at the Juvenile Detention Center on gun related and resisting arrest charges," the court continued in the Friday statement.

The Friday statement continued, "It is anticipated that additional charges are expected in the future as the investigation by the Kansas City Police Department continues."

https://www.foxnews.com/us/two-minors-charged-connection-kansas-city-chiefs-parade-shooting?intcmp=tw_fnc

Wait - I thought we were all hoping these were two MAGAs.

Should we all be disappointed they are NOT MAGA ??

These are the teens that are being blamed. Undoubtedly the real shooters were MAGA and this is a massive coverup.

Sure.
The reality is that the people who tackled one of the punks were likely "MAGAs."

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:Two minors arrested on gun related charges.
I only hope they decide to charge these punks as adults. They deserve hard time.

Two juveniles were charged on Thursday, February 15, 2024, by the Office of the Juvenile Officer related to the incident at the Chiefs' rally on February 14, 2024," the court said.

"The juveniles are currently detained in secure detention at the Juvenile Detention Center on gun related and resisting arrest charges," the court continued in the Friday statement.

The Friday statement continued, "It is anticipated that additional charges are expected in the future as the investigation by the Kansas City Police Department continues."

https://www.foxnews.com/us/two-minors-charged-connection-kansas-city-chiefs-parade-shooting?intcmp=tw_fnc

What are their names? Photos?

They are under the age of 26 and therefore “juveniles” and their identity cannot be revealed.

In Missouri, juvenile is under the age of 18. However they could be tried as adults for murder.

[Anonymous]

Need to get the death penalty when convicted.

[Anonymous]

Where do juveniles get guns from? If you trace the guns back they will probably end up with some opportunistic, criminal enabling MAGA gun buyer. That's how a lot of guns enter the criminal underworld.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:Two minors arrested on gun related charges.
I only hope they decide to charge these punks as adults. They deserve hard time.

Two juveniles were charged on Thursday, February 15, 2024, by the Office of the Juvenile Officer related to the incident at the Chiefs' rally on February 14, 2024," the court said.

"The juveniles are currently detained in secure detention at the Juvenile Detention Center on gun related and resisting arrest charges," the court continued in the Friday statement.

The Friday statement continued, "It is anticipated that additional charges are expected in the future as the investigation by the Kansas City Police Department continues."

https://www.foxnews.com/us/two-minors-charged-connection-kansas-city-chiefs-parade-shooting?intcmp=tw_fnc

Wait - I thought we were all hoping these were two MAGAs.

Should we all be disappointed they are NOT MAGA ??

These are the teens that are being blamed. Undoubtedly the real shooters were MAGA and this is a massive coverup.

If they were MAGAs they would have been carrying guns, right?

[Anonymous]

Can you imagine what would have happened if a "good Guy with a gun" had been there? Your average idiot with a gun is not a sharp shooter with the control and training to take a shooter down. It would turn into an all out gun fight. The dead and wounded toll would have risen considerably and a thousand more families would have been traumatized.