Did Christian homophobia come from a mistranslation of the Bible?

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t know how anyone could worship a god who created a subclass of people who loved in a certain way and then told them they were not allowed to love in that way or else they would go to hell. What kind of sicko mind would come up with such torture? To create some humans a certain way and then tell them they must deny themselves a crucial part of their humanity for their entire lives? Disgusting if it were so.

Luckily the god I worship would never be so cruel.

No human is a subclass.

Have you ever lied? Stolen anything? Done anything that you knew was wrong, but did it anyway? I have. And it was sin. God didn’t create us to throw our hands up and say “oh well. Guess I will do whatever I want.” We know when we sin, we die like to admit it. It makes is human to want to sin, as we all are sinful, but with God’s grace and strength we recognize our misdeeds/sins and try to turn away from them and do better.

I don’t think denying the urge to sin is denying my humanity. If we didn’t deny ourselves, what would we be? Slaves to emotion and greed and anger.

If a married person sees someone and says they love that person and sleeps with them, yes they did wrong. They should deny themselves and be faithful ti their spouse. If they can’t do that they should not have gotten married.

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t know how anyone could worship a god who created a subclass of people who loved in a certain way and then told them they were not allowed to love in that way or else they would go to hell. What kind of sicko mind would come up with such torture? To create some humans a certain way and then tell them they must deny themselves a crucial part of their humanity for their entire lives? Disgusting if it were so.

Luckily the god I worship would never be so cruel.

No human is a subclass.

Have you ever lied? Stolen anything? Done anything that you knew was wrong, but did it anyway? I have. And it was sin. God didn’t create us to throw our hands up and say “oh well. Guess I will do whatever I want.” We know when we sin, we die like to admit it. It makes is human to want to sin, as we all are sinful, but with God’s grace and strength we recognize our misdeeds/sins and try to turn away from them and do better.

I don’t think denying the urge to sin is denying my humanity. If we didn’t deny ourselves, what would we be? Slaves to emotion and greed and anger.

If a married person sees someone and says they love that person and sleeps with them, yes they did wrong. They should deny themselves and be faithful ti their spouse. If they can’t do that they should not have gotten married.

Wrong thread. This one is about homosexuality. Homosexuality isn’t stealing or cheating on your spouse.

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Anonymous wrote:Matthew 5:17 (“Do not think that I have come to abolish Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them.”)

Jesus didn’t come to love everyone and tell everyone he loves them even if they sin.

He came to offer salvation to sinners- all of us.

1 Corinthians 6:9-11 ESV

Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality, nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God. And such were some of you. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God.

This.

Jesus offers all of us redemption from our sin. We all sin, every day, sometimes intentionally.

Like the people who judge others over who they love?

We are not judging. We are holding to Biblical beliefs

Excuses to judge others.

I’m sorry you feel so personally triggered by this. I am not judging your homosexual. I am saying that I am a sinner, as are you, and we both need the redemption of Jesus. Our specific sins are between us and God.

And BTW, the laws that God gives us to live by are ultimately for our own good. Sin of any kind - including sexual- ultimately harms us.

Homosexuality doesn’t harm people.

People say their sin doesn’t harm people, because they want to continue to sin.

Do people who commit adultery harm people?

What about people who have sex before marriage?

We might say they do not, but God says they do. We aren’t God and we don’t make the rules.

If you have the opinion that homosexuality, adultery, and sex outside of marriage aren’t harmful, you don’t have to become a Christian. Find a religion that says those things are ok. Then you can do whatever you want and feel ok about yourself.

Great point. I don't think one set of religious folks who believe otherwise should be able to control the entirety of a country, many of whom are different religions and do believe different things. Why are christians constantly trying to strip rights away from others based on their own personal religious views? Should they not stay personal, and be kept to yourself? I dont give a flying f**k what other people believe, what I care about is legislation that controls the masses based on ones personal religious beliefs.

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Anonymous wrote:Matthew 5:17 (“Do not think that I have come to abolish Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them.”)

Jesus didn’t come to love everyone and tell everyone he loves them even if they sin.

He came to offer salvation to sinners- all of us.

1 Corinthians 6:9-11 ESV

Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality, nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God. And such were some of you. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God.

This.

Jesus offers all of us redemption from our sin. We all sin, every day, sometimes intentionally.

Like the people who judge others over who they love?

Sexual immorality isn’t love, it’s sin.

Homosexuality isn’t a sin.

It’s considered sexual immorality, just like adultery, sex outside of marriage, etc.

What is sexual immorality?

https://www.gotquestions.org/sexual-immorality.html

The following are some common objections to God’s commands against sexual immorality:

1. It’s not wrong if we love each other. The Bible makes no distinction between “loving” and “unloving” sexual relations. The only biblical distinction is between married and unmarried people. Sex within marriage is blessed (Genesis 1:28); sex outside of marriage is “fornication” or “sexual immorality” (1 Corinthians 7:2–5).

2. Times have changed, and what was wrong in biblical times is no longer considered sin. Most of the passages condemning sexual immorality also include evils such as greed, lust, stealing, etc. (1 Corinthians 6:9–10; Galatians 5:19–21). We have no problem understanding that these other things are still sin. God’s character does not change with culture’s opinion (Malachi 3:6; Numbers 23:19; Hebrews 13:8).

3. We’re married in God’s eyes. The fallacy of this idea is that the God who created marriage in the first place would retract His own command to accommodate what He has called sin. God declared marriage to be one man and one woman united for life (Mark 10:6–9). The Bible often uses the imagery of a wedding and a covenant marriage as a metaphor to teach spiritual truth (Matthew 22:2; Revelation 19:9). God takes marriage seriously, and His “eyes” see immorality for what it is, regardless of how cleverly we have redefined it.

4. I can still have a good relationship with God because He understands. Proverbs 28:9 says, “If one turns away his ear from hearing the law, even his prayer is an abomination.” We fool ourselves when we think that we can stubbornly choose sin and God does not care. First John 2:3–4 contains a serious challenge for those who persist in this line of thinking: “We know that we have come to know him if we keep his commands. Whoever says, ‘I know him,’ but does not do what he commands is a liar, and the truth is not in that person.”

Hebrews 13:4 makes God’s expectation for His children crystal clear: “Let marriage be held in honor among all, and let the marriage bed be undefiled, for God will judge the sexually immoral and adulterous.” Sexual immorality is wrong. The blood of Jesus can cleanse us from every type of impurity when we repent and receive His forgiveness (1 John 1:7–9). But that cleansing means our old nature and all its practices, including sexual immorality, are put to death (Romans 6:12–14; 8:13). Ephesians 5:3 says, “But among you there must not be even a hint of sexual immorality, or of any kind of impurity, or of greed, because these are improper for God’s holy people.”



https://www.gotquestions.org/sexual-immorality.html

pp, why do you say homosexuality isn’t sinful?

It’s not immoral. And it’s not a sin. No matter how much you try to twist the words from some old timey book.

You don’t have to believe the Bible or be a Christian. Those who identify as Christian, believe the Bible is God’s word.

You don’t have to have anything to do with Christianity, you don’t have to pray or attend church. Therefore your opinion is only important to yourself and has no meaning to Christians.

The Bible defines sexual immorality, you don’t follow the Bible or believe in God- why do you care what Christians do or think? Are you worried about other people’s religions because you don’t like them? Ok. Don’t like them. But you don’t define Christianity at all. You can completely avoid the Bible and live your life.

Because religious people are trying to hurt others because of their twisted, judgmental beliefs.

Christians haven’t decided what God calls sin. We have no choice in that.

God’s word comes from God.

Do you mean the bible?
Written by man?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:So what happened to love the sinner? Why is christian "love" so toxic?

Telling someone they are sinning isn’t toxic nor does it mean you don’t love someone. How is it toxic to want your fellow Christian be saved?

What makes sexual sin such a big deal?

Modern culture has tried to redefine sexuality as a personal right to be exercised any way an individual wishes. Sexual behavior is considered a personal choice, akin to the decision of whether to buy a house or rent a condo. At the same time, popular opinion has all but removed the word sin from our culture’s vocabulary. The only sexual expression considered “wrong” is what is deemed distasteful to the definer. However, social acceptability varies so greatly that even the vilest of acts would be considered justified by many. So, before we can determine why sexual sin is such a big deal, we have to define sexual sin.

Fortunately, man has never been given the privilege of defining sin. The One who created sexuality also has the right to set the boundaries for it, and the Bible is clear about the guidelines. When God created the first man, Adam, and brought to him the first woman, Eve, He joined them together in marriage and pronounced it “very good” (Genesis 1:31; 2:18, 24). At that time, God introduced sexuality and set the boundaries for its expression. God created a union between a husband and wife that He called “becoming one flesh” (Genesis 2:24; Matthew 19:6; Mark 10:8; Ephesians 5:31). He then defined any sexual activity outside of the husband-wife relationship as a violation of His gift. Fornication, homosexuality, pornography, and lust are all violations of God’s intent when He created the sexual act (1 Corinthians 6:9,18; Galatians 5:19-20; Jude 1:7; Matthew 5:28; Hebrews 13:4).

Romans 13:13–14 outlines the life God desires us to live: “Let us behave decently, as in the daytime, not in carousing and drunkenness, not in sexual immorality and debauchery, not in dissension and jealousy. Rather, clothe yourselves with the Lord Jesus Christ, and do not think about how to gratify the desires of the flesh.” Sexual sin is one more way people gratify the flesh rather than walk in the Spirit (Galatians 5:16). Jesus said that the “pure in heart” will “see God” (Matthew 5:8). Unrepentant sexual sin defiles the heart, making it impossible to experience the power of the Holy Spirit in our lives. If we wish to be pure in heart, we cannot engage in sexual sin.

https://www.gotquestions.org/sexual-sin.html

All Christians struggle with sin. All of us do. None of us are able to live and not sin. No one has the distinction of being the “sinner” while the rest of us float around with halos on beaming with happiness because we finally figured out how not to sin.

The answer is not to say ah screw it, imma do what I want and the blood of Jesus has me covered. I do know some very religious people who have that exact outlook on sin. They believe they are saved and covered by the Blood of Jesus and can do whatever they want and will be saved. I do not think they are correct. I don’t think the people posting here think that people can be baptized and call themselves Christians and commit adultery, steal, lie, etc. and be saved.

I don’t think people who commit sexual immorality are covered by the Blood of Jesus, if they don’t call their sin, sin, confess it to God, and make their best, genuine effort to avoid sexual immorality.

There is no hatred for my fellow sinners from me, a sinner, but there’s no way I can give my “permission” and support to someone who purposefully sins and demands I accept their sin. I don’t want to be part of that; I have enough problems with my own sin. I don’t ask anyone to tell me my sin is ok. I know it’s not. I am not going to lie to myself and ask you to lie to me to make me feel better.

None of this is relevant to non-christians. Why are you trying to stop "gay marriage" of people who dont believe in your magic sky daddy? Clearly they dont want to be saved, why wont you leave them alone and let them live their life how they see fit? I'd really appreciate people like yourself stay out of my personal life, as I do yours.

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Anonymous wrote:Matthew 5:17 (“Do not think that I have come to abolish Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them.”)

Jesus didn’t come to love everyone and tell everyone he loves them even if they sin.

He came to offer salvation to sinners- all of us.

1 Corinthians 6:9-11 ESV

Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality, nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God. And such were some of you. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God.

This.

Jesus offers all of us redemption from our sin. We all sin, every day, sometimes intentionally.

Like the people who judge others over who they love?

Sexual immorality isn’t love, it’s sin.

Homosexuality isn’t a sin.

It’s considered sexual immorality, just like adultery, sex outside of marriage, etc.

What is sexual immorality?

https://www.gotquestions.org/sexual-immorality.html

The following are some common objections to God’s commands against sexual immorality:

1. It’s not wrong if we love each other. The Bible makes no distinction between “loving” and “unloving” sexual relations. The only biblical distinction is between married and unmarried people. Sex within marriage is blessed (Genesis 1:28); sex outside of marriage is “fornication” or “sexual immorality” (1 Corinthians 7:2–5).

2. Times have changed, and what was wrong in biblical times is no longer considered sin. Most of the passages condemning sexual immorality also include evils such as greed, lust, stealing, etc. (1 Corinthians 6:9–10; Galatians 5:19–21). We have no problem understanding that these other things are still sin. God’s character does not change with culture’s opinion (Malachi 3:6; Numbers 23:19; Hebrews 13:8).

3. We’re married in God’s eyes. The fallacy of this idea is that the God who created marriage in the first place would retract His own command to accommodate what He has called sin. God declared marriage to be one man and one woman united for life (Mark 10:6–9). The Bible often uses the imagery of a wedding and a covenant marriage as a metaphor to teach spiritual truth (Matthew 22:2; Revelation 19:9). God takes marriage seriously, and His “eyes” see immorality for what it is, regardless of how cleverly we have redefined it.

4. I can still have a good relationship with God because He understands. Proverbs 28:9 says, “If one turns away his ear from hearing the law, even his prayer is an abomination.” We fool ourselves when we think that we can stubbornly choose sin and God does not care. First John 2:3–4 contains a serious challenge for those who persist in this line of thinking: “We know that we have come to know him if we keep his commands. Whoever says, ‘I know him,’ but does not do what he commands is a liar, and the truth is not in that person.”

Hebrews 13:4 makes God’s expectation for His children crystal clear: “Let marriage be held in honor among all, and let the marriage bed be undefiled, for God will judge the sexually immoral and adulterous.” Sexual immorality is wrong. The blood of Jesus can cleanse us from every type of impurity when we repent and receive His forgiveness (1 John 1:7–9). But that cleansing means our old nature and all its practices, including sexual immorality, are put to death (Romans 6:12–14; 8:13). Ephesians 5:3 says, “But among you there must not be even a hint of sexual immorality, or of any kind of impurity, or of greed, because these are improper for God’s holy people.”



https://www.gotquestions.org/sexual-immorality.html

pp, why do you say homosexuality isn’t sinful?

It’s not immoral. And it’s not a sin. No matter how much you try to twist the words from some old timey book.

You don’t have to believe the Bible or be a Christian. Those who identify as Christian, believe the Bible is God’s word.

You don’t have to have anything to do with Christianity, you don’t have to pray or attend church. Therefore your opinion is only important to yourself and has no meaning to Christians.

The Bible defines sexual immorality, you don’t follow the Bible or believe in God- why do you care what Christians do or think? Are you worried about other people’s religions because you don’t like them? Ok. Don’t like them. But you don’t define Christianity at all. You can completely avoid the Bible and live your life.

Because religious people are trying to hurt others because of their twisted, judgmental beliefs.

Christians haven’t decided what God calls sin. We have no choice in that.

God’s word comes from God.

Stay in your lane. You can deal with your own personal sexual orientation however you choose. But you don’t get to have an opinion about others. Or actively try to hurt them.

Hundreds of these horrific photos are on the internet. Muslims don’t like gay men. They actively hunt them down and execute them.

What is your experience with being hurt by Christians in America? A Christian physically attacked you? Were they arrested? Christians have tried to burn your house down? Physically stopped you from entering their church and called you slurs?

People who practice their religion according to their religious beliefs aren’t hurting anyone.

In America, if someone is hurting anyone, an adult, a child, a pet, call the police and have the police intervene and investigate and have the person arrested.

Posting online that you are being hurt and all glbtq people are being hurt because you can’t change how their hundreds if not thousands of year old religious views sexual sin is just moronic.

It’s not like they say oh ok, commit adultery, have sex with anyone you want outside of marriage, that’s acceptable, but glbtq people are not acceptable. Glbt are not being singled out as the only people who are committing sexual immorality. You feel like you are being persecuted when you are not. You do not have to be a Christian and you do not have to submit to God. You can live your life any legal way you choose.

PP: “don’t hurt gay people”

Christian: “but we’ve hated gay people for thousands of years and Muslims hurt them more than we do”

Are you a Christian?
Why are you speaking for Christians.

Christians hate sin. Not the sinner.

Sexual immorality is a sin and Christianity will never accept sexual immorality.

You don’t have to like Christianity. You don’t have to participate in Christianity. And you aren’t going to change Christianity because your feelings are hurt because you can’t be told your sin is acceptable.

I don’t go to church to be told my sin is ok. If you do that’s a you problem.

If you want to pretend Christianity is hurting you, that’s a you problem.

If you want to live your life free of mean Christianity, you are in the right place.
Nobody is hurting you because you are glbtq. That’s a delusional belief you hold that is inconsistent with reality.

You can get married.

Who is forcing you to attend conversion therapy? No Christian forces any glbtq person to attend conversion therapy.

If a Christian person threatens you and you feel unsafe, call the police, get a restraining order, have them arrested and jailed.

What? This happens on the daily?

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Anonymous wrote:Homosexuality isn’t immoral. It’s not a sin.

Believe what you want. That’s your right. But our society doesn’t share your beliefs. Society rejects your immoral homosexual acts.
Do what you want in the privacy of your bedroom, nobody cares. But don’t force society to condone your immoral acts. They will always be viewed negatively.

Our society actually by and large shares these beliefs. Its the small sects of bigots like yourself that keep the hate alive.

Why dont you stop trying to force society to condone your religious hatred? Why not keep that to the privacy of your bedroom? Why are christians always trying to put the onus on the people they claim to "love" but actually hate?

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Anonymous wrote:Homosexuality isn’t immoral. It’s not a sin.

Believe what you want. That’s your right. But our society doesn’t share your beliefs. Society rejects your immoral homosexual acts.
Do what you want in the privacy of your bedroom, nobody cares. But don’t force society to condone your immoral acts. They will always be viewed negatively.

Our society actually by and large shares these beliefs. Its the small sects of bigots like yourself that keep the hate alive.

Why dont you stop trying to force society to condone your religious hatred? Why not keep that to the privacy of your bedroom? Why are christians always trying to put the onus on the people they claim to "love" but actually hate?

Oh look, "all Christians do xyz" bigot is here, despite testimony from multiple Christians on this very thread that they welcome gays.

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Anonymous wrote:Homosexuality isn’t immoral. It’s not a sin.

Believe what you want. That’s your right. But our society doesn’t share your beliefs. Society rejects your immoral homosexual acts.
Do what you want in the privacy of your bedroom, nobody cares. But don’t force society to condone your immoral acts. They will always be viewed negatively.

Our society actually by and large shares these beliefs. Its the small sects of bigots like yourself that keep the hate alive.

Why dont you stop trying to force society to condone your religious hatred? Why not keep that to the privacy of your bedroom? Why are christians always trying to put the onus on the people they claim to "love" but actually hate?

Oh look, "all Christians do xyz" bigot is here, despite testimony from multiple Christians on this very thread that they welcome gays.

DP. The PP didn’t say “all Christians”. Go back and re-read.

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I am happy that my church embraces gays as human like very one else. None of us are perfect. We all sin. We have openly gay priests and church leaders and all the ones I know are wonderful people.

We don’t interpret the Bible literally because obviously social, economic and political norms have changed over thousands of years.

We are all made in God’s image. Science has revealed that every society has gays and they are wired that way genetically. Maybe for some it is a choice but for most that is the way they were born.

Jesus had nothing to say about homosexuality. The Bible has those ands of references to helping the poor, the lonely, the sick, foreigners and those in jail.

The only way people know we are true Christians is by the abundance of our love and sincerity, not by judging others. Judging what comprises sin is God’s job, not ours.

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t know how anyone could worship a god who created a subclass of people who loved in a certain way and then told them they were not allowed to love in that way or else they would go to hell. What kind of sicko mind would come up with such torture? To create some humans a certain way and then tell them they must deny themselves a crucial part of their humanity for their entire lives? Disgusting if it were so.

Luckily the god I worship would never be so cruel.

No human is a subclass.

Have you ever lied? Stolen anything? Done anything that you knew was wrong, but did it anyway? I have. And it was sin. God didn’t create us to throw our hands up and say “oh well. Guess I will do whatever I want.” We know when we sin, we die like to admit it. It makes is human to want to sin, as we all are sinful, but with God’s grace and strength we recognize our misdeeds/sins and try to turn away from them and do better.

I don’t think denying the urge to sin is denying my humanity. If we didn’t deny ourselves, what would we be? Slaves to emotion and greed and anger.

If a married person sees someone and says they love that person and sleeps with them, yes they did wrong. They should deny themselves and be faithful ti their spouse. If they can’t do that they should not have gotten married.

You’re comparing harming someone through stealing and lying to love between two people? This is why people leave religion.

And it also sounds like you must be asexual because you seem to imply you’d be able to repress your sexuality easily if you were told to.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t know how anyone could worship a god who created a subclass of people who loved in a certain way and then told them they were not allowed to love in that way or else they would go to hell. What kind of sicko mind would come up with such torture? To create some humans a certain way and then tell them they must deny themselves a crucial part of their humanity for their entire lives? Disgusting if it were so.

Luckily the god I worship would never be so cruel.

No human is a subclass.

Have you ever lied? Stolen anything? Done anything that you knew was wrong, but did it anyway? I have. And it was sin. God didn’t create us to throw our hands up and say “oh well. Guess I will do whatever I want.” We know when we sin, we die like to admit it. It makes is human to want to sin, as we all are sinful, but with God’s grace and strength we recognize our misdeeds/sins and try to turn away from them and do better.

I don’t think denying the urge to sin is denying my humanity. If we didn’t deny ourselves, what would we be? Slaves to emotion and greed and anger.

If a married person sees someone and says they love that person and sleeps with them, yes they did wrong. They should deny themselves and be faithful ti their spouse. If they can’t do that they should not have gotten married.

But at least that last example is a person who is allowed to marry someone he or she is attracted to sexually. You think God created people who can never do that without facing God’s wrath? Why would God taunt humans like that?

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t know how anyone could worship a god who created a subclass of people who loved in a certain way and then told them they were not allowed to love in that way or else they would go to hell. What kind of sicko mind would come up with such torture? To create some humans a certain way and then tell them they must deny themselves a crucial part of their humanity for their entire lives? Disgusting if it were so.

Luckily the god I worship would never be so cruel.

No human is a subclass.

Have you ever lied? Stolen anything? Done anything that you knew was wrong, but did it anyway? I have. And it was sin. God didn’t create us to throw our hands up and say “oh well. Guess I will do whatever I want.” We know when we sin, we die like to admit it. It makes is human to want to sin, as we all are sinful, but with God’s grace and strength we recognize our misdeeds/sins and try to turn away from them and do better.

I don’t think denying the urge to sin is denying my humanity. If we didn’t deny ourselves, what would we be? Slaves to emotion and greed and anger.

If a married person sees someone and says they love that person and sleeps with them, yes they did wrong. They should deny themselves and be faithful ti their spouse. If they can’t do that they should not have gotten married.

You’re comparing harming someone through stealing and lying to love between two people? This is why people leave religion.

And it also sounds like you must be asexual because you seem to imply you’d be able to repress your sexuality easily if you were told to.

Exactly.

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t know how anyone could worship a god who created a subclass of people who loved in a certain way and then told them they were not allowed to love in that way or else they would go to hell. What kind of sicko mind would come up with such torture? To create some humans a certain way and then tell them they must deny themselves a crucial part of their humanity for their entire lives? Disgusting if it were so.

Luckily the god I worship would never be so cruel.

No human is a subclass.

Have you ever lied? Stolen anything? Done anything that you knew was wrong, but did it anyway? I have. And it was sin. God didn’t create us to throw our hands up and say “oh well. Guess I will do whatever I want.” We know when we sin, we die like to admit it. It makes is human to want to sin, as we all are sinful, but with God’s grace and strength we recognize our misdeeds/sins and try to turn away from them and do better.

I don’t think denying the urge to sin is denying my humanity. If we didn’t deny ourselves, what would we be? Slaves to emotion and greed and anger.

If a married person sees someone and says they love that person and sleeps with them, yes they did wrong. They should deny themselves and be faithful ti their spouse. If they can’t do that they should not have gotten married.

You’re comparing harming someone through stealing and lying to love between two people? This is why people leave religion.

And it also sounds like you must be asexual because you seem to imply you’d be able to repress your sexuality easily if you were told to.

NP
You are talking about love? Just calling it love doesn’t make it morally right.
How about we allow and celebrate love between adults and minor children?
How about we allow and celebrate love between humans and animals.
That’s love right? Not hurting anyone.

Don’t hide behind love to justify your sins.

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t know how anyone could worship a god who created a subclass of people who loved in a certain way and then told them they were not allowed to love in that way or else they would go to hell. What kind of sicko mind would come up with such torture? To create some humans a certain way and then tell them they must deny themselves a crucial part of their humanity for their entire lives? Disgusting if it were so.

Luckily the god I worship would never be so cruel.

No human is a subclass.

Have you ever lied? Stolen anything? Done anything that you knew was wrong, but did it anyway? I have. And it was sin. God didn’t create us to throw our hands up and say “oh well. Guess I will do whatever I want.” We know when we sin, we die like to admit it. It makes is human to want to sin, as we all are sinful, but with God’s grace and strength we recognize our misdeeds/sins and try to turn away from them and do better.

I don’t think denying the urge to sin is denying my humanity. If we didn’t deny ourselves, what would we be? Slaves to emotion and greed and anger.

If a married person sees someone and says they love that person and sleeps with them, yes they did wrong. They should deny themselves and be faithful ti their spouse. If they can’t do that they should not have gotten married.

You’re comparing harming someone through stealing and lying to love between two people? This is why people leave religion.

And it also sounds like you must be asexual because you seem to imply you’d be able to repress your sexuality easily if you were told to.

NP
You are talking about love? Just calling it love doesn’t make it morally right.
How about we allow and celebrate love between adults and minor children?
How about we allow and celebrate love between humans and animals.
That’s love right? Not hurting anyone.

Don’t hide behind love to justify your sins.

You are comparing homosexuality to child rape and … beastiality?

Really?

Oh and BTW child rape does cause harm!