Did Christian homophobia come from a mistranslation of the Bible?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Too bad this thread went off the rails. It actually started as a good faith discussion

And as with most threads here, atheists simply cannot resist inserting themselves into the middle of the discussion and calling everyone not an atheist a kook. They’re drawn to it like moths to porch light. It’s fetishistic.

No one would GAF what the religious nutters are doing if they weren’t trying to force their beliefs on everyone else.

OP was hardly trying to force religious based homophobia on anyone but seeking to understand where this unfortunate belief system comes from on a theological level.

Op is not trying to force religious based homophobia on people they are trying to understand why religious nutters are forcing homophobia on all.

How are people forcing homophobia onto others? There are a couple topics about gay people and religious people do not start the threads; I have never seen a thread posted here about gay people started by religious people. If religious people were so concerned about gay people and gay sex, why would they not be posting about it? I don’t understand how religious people are supposedly so worried about gay people but the only people here talking about gay people are atheists. Atheists are the ones bringing up gay people.

What are you smoking? "I don’t understand how religious people are supposedly so worried about gay people but the only people here talking about gay people are atheists. Atheists are the ones bringing up gay people. "

Who wants to ban homosexuality RW religious nuts
Who wants to ban gay marriage RW religious nuts
Who brings this subject up time and time again???
Not atheists.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Too bad this thread went off the rails. It actually started as a good faith discussion

And as with most threads here, atheists simply cannot resist inserting themselves into the middle of the discussion and calling everyone not an atheist a kook. They’re drawn to it like moths to porch light. It’s fetishistic.

+1 it’s obsessive

Are you kidding? Do you see the topic of this thread?

DP and the thread title is obvious--you're the one who missed it. Do you have an opinion on the "mistranslation" in the thread title, or are you just here to carp?

Nahh you didn't even read what you are responding to.

The part about "atheists simply cannot resist inserting themselves into the middle of the discussion".

The very topic thread insinuates there might be mistakes in the bible.

So you didn't read OP's links. Got it.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Too bad this thread went off the rails. It actually started as a good faith discussion

And as with most threads here, atheists simply cannot resist inserting themselves into the middle of the discussion and calling everyone not an atheist a kook. They’re drawn to it like moths to porch light. It’s fetishistic.

No one would GAF what the religious nutters are doing if they weren’t trying to force their beliefs on everyone else.

OP was hardly trying to force religious based homophobia on anyone but seeking to understand where this unfortunate belief system comes from on a theological level.

Op is not trying to force religious based homophobia on people they are trying to understand why religious nutters are forcing homophobia on all.

How are people forcing homophobia onto others? There are a couple topics about gay people and religious people do not start the threads; I have never seen a thread posted here about gay people started by religious people. If religious people were so concerned about gay people and gay sex, why would they not be posting about it? I don’t understand how religious people are supposedly so worried about gay people but the only people here talking about gay people are atheists. Atheists are the ones bringing up gay people.

Are you just waking from a coma?

Religious people are removing books that say the word gay from schools.

Religious people pay politicians to create laws restricting what gay people can do/marry.

Religious people refuse to marry gay people, refuse to allow them to get a cake for a wedding. Refuse them communion.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Too bad this thread went off the rails. It actually started as a good faith discussion

And as with most threads here, atheists simply cannot resist inserting themselves into the middle of the discussion and calling everyone not an atheist a kook. They’re drawn to it like moths to porch light. It’s fetishistic.

+1 it’s obsessive

Are you kidding? Do you see the topic of this thread?

DP and the thread title is obvious--you're the one who missed it. Do you have an opinion on the "mistranslation" in the thread title, or are you just here to carp?

Nahh you didn't even read what you are responding to.

The part about "atheists simply cannot resist inserting themselves into the middle of the discussion".

The very topic thread insinuates there might be mistakes in the bible.

So you didn't read OP's links. Got it.

OP had one link. The first line was "What if all the anti-gay, homophobic rhetoric that has come from the Christian right over these past few decades was rooted in a mistranslation of the Bible?"

All we've been discussing is that part of the bible it refers to, and the homophobic rhetoric it refers to, many examples of which we have seen in this thread.

Sorry if that doesn't fit the narrative you wanted.

Also "got it". So trite, silly and childish. No one who tries that dishonest BS is interested in "a good faith discussion".

Good night.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Too bad this thread went off the rails. It actually started as a good faith discussion

And as with most threads here, atheists simply cannot resist inserting themselves into the middle of the discussion and calling everyone not an atheist a kook. They’re drawn to it like moths to porch light. It’s fetishistic.

No one would GAF what the religious nutters are doing if they weren’t trying to force their beliefs on everyone else.

OP was hardly trying to force religious based homophobia on anyone but seeking to understand where this unfortunate belief system comes from on a theological level.

Op is not trying to force religious based homophobia on people they are trying to understand why religious nutters are forcing homophobia on all.

How are people forcing homophobia onto others? There are a couple topics about gay people and religious people do not start the threads; I have never seen a thread posted here about gay people started by religious people. If religious people were so concerned about gay people and gay sex, why would they not be posting about it? I don’t understand how religious people are supposedly so worried about gay people but the only people here talking about gay people are atheists. Atheists are the ones bringing up gay people.

Are you just waking from a coma?

Religious people are removing books that say the word gay from schools.

Religious people pay politicians to create laws restricting what gay people can do/marry.

Religious people refuse to marry gay people, refuse to allow them to get a cake for a wedding. Refuse them communion.

Taking books with inappropriate sexual topics out of elementary schools isn’t against gay people.

Isn’t gay marriage legal?

If someone is religious, they are free to live according to their religion. Gay people can find people who will marry them, bake their wedding cakes, and offer them communion. Freedom of religion is guaranteed under the constitution.

What can’t gay people do? Who is stopping them?

Are you going to bake a Trump supporter a cake?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:And that’s fine. Hell has unlimited room. As they will one day come to find.

How very Christian of you!

Religion convinced the world that there's an invisible man in the sky who watches everything you do. And there's 10 things he doesn't want you to do or else you'll go to a burning place with a lake of fire until the end of eternity. But he loves you!
- George Carlin

George Carlin was addicted to drugs and got his daughter addicted to drugs.

Really a sad man who hurt his daughter very much.

You just love ad hominems, don't you! And you love to ignore the point! And you don't understand I was quoting a joke to make fun of your evil wish that I suffer eternally. I don't wish that on you, or anybody. That makes you a bad person, and me a better one than you. End period.

Prefer that to the Carlin quote?

What has possibly convinced you that everyone must respond to you in a way you think is acceptable? And that you qualify every interaction as a attack or philosophical argument is just weird.

Do you see the irony in your post? Of course people can respond however they like. As can I.

You're still a horrible person for wishing people to suffer for eternity simply because they have different beliefs than you. Don't you see that? Don't you ever question that position?

You’re replying to the wrong person.

I’m the one who pointed out that those who choose to turn their backs on God and urge others to as well, or make jokes of sexually defiling a church or religious practice, would one day learn that Hell is indeed quite real. And it will be quite crowded, I’m sure - but it will always have room for one more.

You’ve got the ability (at the present) to spare yourself of that. But as they say in commercials, it’s a limited time offer. When you die, it’s too late. We’re only alive on earth for a lifetime. What’s a lifetime compared to eternity?

You should open yourself to God while you still have time.

I will open myself to a god as soon as I see any evidence that there is one. Right now I don't. Would you like to present me some? I will listen. Happy to have that discussion.

Whether or not I was replying to "the wrong person", as this is an anonymous forum, is irrelevant. If that person agrees with the sentiment responded to, then the response is just as applicable.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Too bad this thread went off the rails. It actually started as a good faith discussion

And as with most threads here, atheists simply cannot resist inserting themselves into the middle of the discussion and calling everyone not an atheist a kook. They’re drawn to it like moths to porch light. It’s fetishistic.

+1 it’s obsessive

Are you kidding? Do you see the topic of this thread?

DP and the thread title is obvious--you're the one who missed it. Do you have an opinion on the "mistranslation" in the thread title, or are you just here to carp?

Nahh you didn't even read what you are responding to.

The part about "atheists simply cannot resist inserting themselves into the middle of the discussion".

The very topic thread insinuates there might be mistakes in the bible.

So you didn't read OP's links. Got it.

OP had one link. The first line was "What if all the anti-gay, homophobic rhetoric that has come from the Christian right over these past few decades was rooted in a mistranslation of the Bible?"

All we've been discussing is that part of the bible it refers to, and the homophobic rhetoric it refers to, many examples of which we have seen in this thread.

Sorry if that doesn't fit the narrative you wanted.

Also "got it". So trite, silly and childish. No one who tries that dishonest BS is interested in "a good faith discussion".

Good night.

That is taking one sentence out of the documentary promo blurb and not referencing OP’s invitation to broder discussion of issues related to mistranslations or narrowly dogmatic interpretations of biblical scripture (and out of social historical contexts) - so no that one line is not all we are talking about.

OP
“This recent doc makes sense to me. I am a straight Christian but value being part of a welcoming inclusive church. Jesus had nothing to say about homosexuality, many historians believe ast Owul’s condemnation was referring to ancient Roman practice of older men exploiting young boys (pedophilia) rather than homosexuality between consenting adults. The oft quoted Leviticus scriptures were in context of seemly conduct for the Temple - and if the reference to homosexuality being an abomination were a mistranslation, that makes sense to me.

We are all made in God’s image.

Did Christian homophobia come from a mistranslation of the Bible?

https://amp.theguardian.c...ocumentary

A new documentary challenges an alleged 1946 mistranslation that helped lead to a justification for Christian anti-gayness
Vivian Ho
Fri 1 Dec 2023

What if all the anti-gay, homophobic rhetoric that has come from the Christian right over these past few decades was rooted in a mistranslation of the Bible?
In the documentary, 1946: The Mistranslation that Shifted Culture, researchers and scholars delve into the 1946 mistranslation of 1 Corinthians 6:9 and explore how it fuelled the Christian anti-gay movement that still thrives today”.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Too bad this thread went off the rails. It actually started as a good faith discussion

And as with most threads here, atheists simply cannot resist inserting themselves into the middle of the discussion and calling everyone not an atheist a kook. They’re drawn to it like moths to porch light. It’s fetishistic.

+1 it’s obsessive

Are you kidding? Do you see the topic of this thread?

DP and the thread title is obvious--you're the one who missed it. Do you have an opinion on the "mistranslation" in the thread title, or are you just here to carp?

Nahh you didn't even read what you are responding to.

The part about "atheists simply cannot resist inserting themselves into the middle of the discussion".

The very topic thread insinuates there might be mistakes in the bible.

So you didn't read OP's links. Got it.

OP had one link. The first line was "What if all the anti-gay, homophobic rhetoric that has come from the Christian right over these past few decades was rooted in a mistranslation of the Bible?"

All we've been discussing is that part of the bible it refers to, and the homophobic rhetoric it refers to, many examples of which we have seen in this thread.

Sorry if that doesn't fit the narrative you wanted.

Also "got it". So trite, silly and childish. No one who tries that dishonest BS is interested in "a good faith discussion".

Good night.

That is taking one sentence out of the documentary promo blurb and not referencing OP’s invitation to broder discussion of issues related to mistranslations or narrowly dogmatic interpretations of biblical scripture (and out of social historical contexts) - so no that one line is not all we are talking about.

OP
“This recent doc makes sense to me. I am a straight Christian but value being part of a welcoming inclusive church. Jesus had nothing to say about homosexuality, many historians believe ast Owul’s condemnation was referring to ancient Roman practice of older men exploiting young boys (pedophilia) rather than homosexuality between consenting adults. The oft quoted Leviticus scriptures were in context of seemly conduct for the Temple - and if the reference to homosexuality being an abomination were a mistranslation, that makes sense to me.

We are all made in God’s image.

Did Christian homophobia come from a mistranslation of the Bible?

https://amp.theguardian.c...ocumentary

A new documentary challenges an alleged 1946 mistranslation that helped lead to a justification for Christian anti-gayness
Vivian Ho
Fri 1 Dec 2023

What if all the anti-gay, homophobic rhetoric that has come from the Christian right over these past few decades was rooted in a mistranslation of the Bible?
In the documentary, 1946: The Mistranslation that Shifted Culture, researchers and scholars delve into the 1946 mistranslation of 1 Corinthians 6:9 and explore how it fuelled the Christian anti-gay movement that still thrives today”.

None of that show the posts here even a tiny bit off topic. They are spot on.

You criticize the on-topic atheists because you don't like their points but you let the homophobes who use the bible to justify their bigotry off scot-free.

That says all I need to know about you.

/ not going away

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Too bad this thread went off the rails. It actually started as a good faith discussion

And as with most threads here, atheists simply cannot resist inserting themselves into the middle of the discussion and calling everyone not an atheist a kook. They’re drawn to it like moths to porch light. It’s fetishistic.

No one would GAF what the religious nutters are doing if they weren’t trying to force their beliefs on everyone else.

OP was hardly trying to force religious based homophobia on anyone but seeking to understand where this unfortunate belief system comes from on a theological level.

Op is not trying to force religious based homophobia on people they are trying to understand why religious nutters are forcing homophobia on all.

How are people forcing homophobia onto others? There are a couple topics about gay people and religious people do not start the threads; I have never seen a thread posted here about gay people started by religious people. If religious people were so concerned about gay people and gay sex, why would they not be posting about it? I don’t understand how religious people are supposedly so worried about gay people but the only people here talking about gay people are atheists. Atheists are the ones bringing up gay people.

Are you just waking from a coma?

Religious people are removing books that say the word gay from schools.

Religious people pay politicians to create laws restricting what gay people can do/marry.

Religious people refuse to marry gay people, refuse to allow them to get a cake for a wedding. Refuse them communion.

Taking books with inappropriate sexual topics out of elementary schools isn’t against gay people.

Isn’t gay marriage legal?

If someone is religious, they are free to live according to their religion. Gay people can find people who will marry them, bake their wedding cakes, and offer them communion. Freedom of religion is guaranteed under the constitution.

What can’t gay people do? Who is stopping them?

Are you going to bake a Trump supporter a cake?

2 women being married is not inappropriate sexual content.

Yes I work with and do work for Trump supporters.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Too bad this thread went off the rails. It actually started as a good faith discussion

And as with most threads here, atheists simply cannot resist inserting themselves into the middle of the discussion and calling everyone not an atheist a kook. They’re drawn to it like moths to porch light. It’s fetishistic.

+1 it’s obsessive

Are you kidding? Do you see the topic of this thread?

DP and the thread title is obvious--you're the one who missed it. Do you have an opinion on the "mistranslation" in the thread title, or are you just here to carp?

Nahh you didn't even read what you are responding to.

The part about "atheists simply cannot resist inserting themselves into the middle of the discussion".

The very topic thread insinuates there might be mistakes in the bible.

So you didn't read OP's links. Got it.

OP had one link. The first line was "What if all the anti-gay, homophobic rhetoric that has come from the Christian right over these past few decades was rooted in a mistranslation of the Bible?"

All we've been discussing is that part of the bible it refers to, and the homophobic rhetoric it refers to, many examples of which we have seen in this thread.

Sorry if that doesn't fit the narrative you wanted.

Also "got it". So trite, silly and childish. No one who tries that dishonest BS is interested in "a good faith discussion".

Good night.

That is taking one sentence out of the documentary promo blurb and not referencing OP’s invitation to broder discussion of issues related to mistranslations or narrowly dogmatic interpretations of biblical scripture (and out of social historical contexts) - so no that one line is not all we are talking about.

OP
“This recent doc makes sense to me. I am a straight Christian but value being part of a welcoming inclusive church. Jesus had nothing to say about homosexuality, many historians believe ast Owul’s condemnation was referring to ancient Roman practice of older men exploiting young boys (pedophilia) rather than homosexuality between consenting adults. The oft quoted Leviticus scriptures were in context of seemly conduct for the Temple - and if the reference to homosexuality being an abomination were a mistranslation, that makes sense to me.

We are all made in God’s image.

Did Christian homophobia come from a mistranslation of the Bible?

https://amp.theguardian.c...ocumentary

A new documentary challenges an alleged 1946 mistranslation that helped lead to a justification for Christian anti-gayness
Vivian Ho
Fri 1 Dec 2023

What if all the anti-gay, homophobic rhetoric that has come from the Christian right over these past few decades was rooted in a mistranslation of the Bible?
In the documentary, 1946: The Mistranslation that Shifted Culture, researchers and scholars delve into the 1946 mistranslation of 1 Corinthians 6:9 and explore how it fuelled the Christian anti-gay movement that still thrives today”.

None of that show the posts here even a tiny bit off topic. They are spot on.

You criticize the on-topic atheists because you don't like their points but you let the homophobes who use the bible to justify their bigotry off scot-free.

That says all I need to know about you.

/ not going away

Forgot to say DP - I was not criticizing atheists posting here but taking issue with the way OP’s post was reduced to one line from the documentary summary promo.

That said, it is a religion discussion forum not politics. Atheists should feel welcome to discuss relevant issues. However, I can see why both religious and agnostic/ atheistic types may feel frustrated with high levels of animosity.

I am religious but strongly believe in division of church and state. It is alarming seeing my religion exploited for cynical political purposes and to create unnecessary social divisions. Specifically in this thread - homophobia.

Jesus had nothing to say about homosexuality but plenty to say about injustices, hypocrisy and lack of compassion. Saint Paul took issue with homosexuals but biblical scholars believe he was referring to ancient Roman practices of adult men exploiting boys in unequal relationships.

So all this Christian homophobia that makes life miserable for so many youth growing up in literally minded Christian homes had to come from somewhere. Where does it come from theologically?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Too bad this thread went off the rails. It actually started as a good faith discussion

And as with most threads here, atheists simply cannot resist inserting themselves into the middle of the discussion and calling everyone not an atheist a kook. They’re drawn to it like moths to porch light. It’s fetishistic.

+1 it’s obsessive

Are you kidding? Do you see the topic of this thread?

DP and the thread title is obvious--you're the one who missed it. Do you have an opinion on the "mistranslation" in the thread title, or are you just here to carp?

Nahh you didn't even read what you are responding to.

The part about "atheists simply cannot resist inserting themselves into the middle of the discussion".

The very topic thread insinuates there might be mistakes in the bible.

So you didn't read OP's links. Got it.

OP had one link. The first line was "What if all the anti-gay, homophobic rhetoric that has come from the Christian right over these past few decades was rooted in a mistranslation of the Bible?"

All we've been discussing is that part of the bible it refers to, and the homophobic rhetoric it refers to, many examples of which we have seen in this thread.

Sorry if that doesn't fit the narrative you wanted.

Also "got it". So trite, silly and childish. No one who tries that dishonest BS is interested in "a good faith discussion".

Good night.

That is taking one sentence out of the documentary promo blurb and not referencing OP’s invitation to broder discussion of issues related to mistranslations or narrowly dogmatic interpretations of biblical scripture (and out of social historical contexts) - so no that one line is not all we are talking about.

OP
“This recent doc makes sense to me. I am a straight Christian but value being part of a welcoming inclusive church. Jesus had nothing to say about homosexuality, many historians believe ast Owul’s condemnation was referring to ancient Roman practice of older men exploiting young boys (pedophilia) rather than homosexuality between consenting adults. The oft quoted Leviticus scriptures were in context of seemly conduct for the Temple - and if the reference to homosexuality being an abomination were a mistranslation, that makes sense to me.

We are all made in God’s image.

Did Christian homophobia come from a mistranslation of the Bible?

https://amp.theguardian.c...ocumentary

A new documentary challenges an alleged 1946 mistranslation that helped lead to a justification for Christian anti-gayness
Vivian Ho
Fri 1 Dec 2023

What if all the anti-gay, homophobic rhetoric that has come from the Christian right over these past few decades was rooted in a mistranslation of the Bible?
In the documentary, 1946: The Mistranslation that Shifted Culture, researchers and scholars delve into the 1946 mistranslation of 1 Corinthians 6:9 and explore how it fuelled the Christian anti-gay movement that still thrives today”.

None of that show the posts here even a tiny bit off topic. They are spot on.

You criticize the on-topic atheists because you don't like their points but you let the homophobes who use the bible to justify their bigotry off scot-free.

That says all I need to know about you.

/ not going away

Forgot to say DP - I was not criticizing atheists posting here but taking issue with the way OP’s post was reduced to one line from the documentary summary promo.

That said, it is a religion discussion forum not politics. Atheists should feel welcome to discuss relevant issues. However, I can see why both religious and agnostic/ atheistic types may feel frustrated with high levels of animosity.

I am religious but strongly believe in division of church and state. It is alarming seeing my religion exploited for cynical political purposes and to create unnecessary social divisions. Specifically in this thread - homophobia.

Jesus had nothing to say about homosexuality but plenty to say about injustices, hypocrisy and lack of compassion. Saint Paul took issue with homosexuals but biblical scholars believe he was referring to ancient Roman practices of adult men exploiting boys in unequal relationships.

So all this Christian homophobia that makes life miserable for so many youth growing up in literally minded Christian homes had to come from somewhere. Where does it come from theologically?

NP. Most Christian traditions have taught until very recently (and many Christian traditions still teach) that sex outside of marriage is a sin and that marriage is between one man and one woman. Under these rules, homosexual behavior is a sin because it can't take place in a marriage that is recognized by those churches. Christian traditions that oppose gay marriage point to the story of Adam and Eve in Genesis as the basis for God's design of marriage. I don't understand why there is confusion about the origins of this theologically considering that it was the default position of most
Christian churches until very recently and gay marriage was not even on most people's radar as an issue less than a generation ago.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Too bad this thread went off the rails. It actually started as a good faith discussion

And as with most threads here, atheists simply cannot resist inserting themselves into the middle of the discussion and calling everyone not an atheist a kook. They’re drawn to it like moths to porch light. It’s fetishistic.

+1 it’s obsessive

Are you kidding? Do you see the topic of this thread?

DP and the thread title is obvious--you're the one who missed it. Do you have an opinion on the "mistranslation" in the thread title, or are you just here to carp?

Nahh you didn't even read what you are responding to.

The part about "atheists simply cannot resist inserting themselves into the middle of the discussion".

The very topic thread insinuates there might be mistakes in the bible.

So you didn't read OP's links. Got it.

OP had one link. The first line was "What if all the anti-gay, homophobic rhetoric that has come from the Christian right over these past few decades was rooted in a mistranslation of the Bible?"

All we've been discussing is that part of the bible it refers to, and the homophobic rhetoric it refers to, many examples of which we have seen in this thread.

Sorry if that doesn't fit the narrative you wanted.

Also "got it". So trite, silly and childish. No one who tries that dishonest BS is interested in "a good faith discussion".

Good night.

That is taking one sentence out of the documentary promo blurb and not referencing OP’s invitation to broder discussion of issues related to mistranslations or narrowly dogmatic interpretations of biblical scripture (and out of social historical contexts) - so no that one line is not all we are talking about.

OP
“This recent doc makes sense to me. I am a straight Christian but value being part of a welcoming inclusive church. Jesus had nothing to say about homosexuality, many historians believe ast Owul’s condemnation was referring to ancient Roman practice of older men exploiting young boys (pedophilia) rather than homosexuality between consenting adults. The oft quoted Leviticus scriptures were in context of seemly conduct for the Temple - and if the reference to homosexuality being an abomination were a mistranslation, that makes sense to me.

We are all made in God’s image.

Did Christian homophobia come from a mistranslation of the Bible?

https://amp.theguardian.c...ocumentary

A new documentary challenges an alleged 1946 mistranslation that helped lead to a justification for Christian anti-gayness
Vivian Ho
Fri 1 Dec 2023

What if all the anti-gay, homophobic rhetoric that has come from the Christian right over these past few decades was rooted in a mistranslation of the Bible?
In the documentary, 1946: The Mistranslation that Shifted Culture, researchers and scholars delve into the 1946 mistranslation of 1 Corinthians 6:9 and explore how it fuelled the Christian anti-gay movement that still thrives today”.

None of that show the posts here even a tiny bit off topic. They are spot on.

You criticize the on-topic atheists because you don't like their points but you let the homophobes who use the bible to justify their bigotry off scot-free.

That says all I need to know about you.

/ not going away

Forgot to say DP - I was not criticizing atheists posting here but taking issue with the way OP’s post was reduced to one line from the documentary summary promo.

That said, it is a religion discussion forum not politics. Atheists should feel welcome to discuss relevant issues. However, I can see why both religious and agnostic/ atheistic types may feel frustrated with high levels of animosity.

I am religious but strongly believe in division of church and state. It is alarming seeing my religion exploited for cynical political purposes and to create unnecessary social divisions. Specifically in this thread - homophobia.

Jesus had nothing to say about homosexuality but plenty to say about injustices, hypocrisy and lack of compassion. Saint Paul took issue with homosexuals but biblical scholars believe he was referring to ancient Roman practices of adult men exploiting boys in unequal relationships.

So all this Christian homophobia that makes life miserable for so many youth growing up in literally minded Christian homes had to come from somewhere. Where does it come from theologically?

NP. Most Christian traditions have taught until very recently (and many Christian traditions still teach) that sex outside of marriage is a sin and that marriage is between one man and one woman. Under these rules, homosexual behavior is a sin because it can't take place in a marriage that is recognized by those churches. Christian traditions that oppose gay marriage point to the story of Adam and Eve in Genesis as the basis for God's design of marriage. I don't understand why there is confusion about the origins of this theologically considering that it was the default position of most
Christian churches until very recently and gay marriage was not even on most people's radar as an issue less than a generation ago.

For starters, the majority of mainstream non evangelical Christians are not literally minded about the Bible and have not been for a very long time.

I don’t know any Christians who regard the obviously symbolic Adam and Eve story as justification for homophobia or narrow minded views on the sanctity of marriage.

Many churches, including mine, work hard to welcome, include and honor church members who identify on the GTLQ+ spectrum.

Jesus had nothing to say about homosexuality but plenty to say about many topics. He taught that all the laws in the Old Testament (such as 10 commandments and prescriptions for temple behavior) are fulfilled by loving God with all one’s heart and mind and loving others as yourself. That includes gays and everyone else made in God’s image:

I don’t understand why any Christians justify homophobia as theologically sound.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:“Homophobia” literally means “fear of homosexuality/homosexuals”.

I don’t know a single person who fears them, or their lifestyle.

But the Bible is quite clear that it is a Sin. All peoples are deserving of love and are able to receive the mercy of God if they seek it. But that doesn’t mean they aren’t sinners.

Homosexuals are sinners. But I don’t know anyone who fears them.

See the Bible doesn’t say anywhere that being homosexual and loving another adult of the sane sex is a sin.

Lust is a sin, regardless of the sex of the subject of the attraction. Sex between men, between women, or between people and animals, are all explicitly defined as sin in the Book of Leviticus.

This really isn’t subject to argument or interpretation.

You can choose to agree or not, but the text itself is perfectly unambiguous.

So then just as "sinful" as sex between men and women.

Outside of marriage, yes. Different by degree perhaps, but both are sin.

Did you think I would argue about that? Wow. You really don’t understand me then.

Lust is lust. Even for a heterosexual married couple.

God created hetero marriage for the husband and wife to be lustful and have sex.

God didn’t create marriage.

He wanted everyone to be celibate and to serve them. But realized most human he weak and if you must give in to lust then do it within the confines of marriage.

You’re insane.

[Anonymous]

The Bible says in Genesis 2:24, sex is only supposed to be within marriage between a man and a woman. Anything outside of that is fornication and that the majority of people are “fornicators”.

I don’t know why people split hairs about this. Jews have the same book . The Hebrew Bible is very strict

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Genesis 19 has incest (daughters sleep with their father) and we don't accept that.

Seems to me we shouldn't take the bible so literally. Jesus taught to love everyone. That should include homosexuals.

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Genesis%2019&version=KJV

And the Bible does mention slavery a few items without any express condemnation. And many of the stories in the Bible involve murder and manslaughter without any express condemnation of those acts.