Texas judge grants woman’s request for abortion despite state ban
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Anonymous
| I think the question was asked to highlight that there is no official point at which it is safe legally for the doctor and pregnant woman to proceed with the abortion. |
Anonymous
The judge said she was entitled to have the abortion and issued the restraining order. |
Anonymous
I do understand that and most of the other PPs here do. What we don’t understand is why you or anyone else thinks that’s OK. |
Anonymous
That was my thought. It looks like a professionally posed picture at six months pregnancy to memorialize one of her earlier pregnancies. That picture is not a 22 week pregnancy. Between this and the Ohio woman locked up for having a miscarriage over the toilet, Democrats will win 2024. I just hope no woman has to die. |
Anonymous
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The judge said she was entitled to have the abortion and issued the restraining order. Where have you been? The all white male Texas Supreme Court decided on Saturday that she cannot get the abortion. |
Anonymous
Waiting on a response for this. |
Anonymous
I literally work in healthcare so I'm all too familiar with how complicated healthcare decisions can be even when guidelines supposedly seem specific. I'm also very aware of how different providers may make different decisions in light of tons of nuance. Literally every day throughout the day. However, when it comes to abortion, now their licenses are on the line because they have to report the abortion while feeling comfortable enough to determine if their argument for abortion aligns with the local health dept, attorney general office, etc. and how conservative it is in reviewing abortion cases Everything you just said essentially equates to "wait until sick enough" even when risk/outcome is known. The TX law limits a doctor's ability to make calls until risk has passed into an extreme level so that the physician feels comfortable enough that they won't be prosecuted. The cancer example is one such version of that. Waiting until a woman is in shock when it's known she is heading there is another. |
Anonymous
American College of Obstetrics and Gynecology: "ACOG asserts that it is impossible to create an inclusive list of conditions that qualify as "medical emergencies." In addition, it is dangerous to attempt to create a finite list of conditions to guide the practice of clinicians attempting to navigate their state's abortion restrictions. Reasons this type of exhaustive list is neither feasible nor advisable include: The practice of medicine is complex and requires individualization—it cannot be distilled down to a one-page document or list that is generalizable for every situation No single patient's condition progresses at the same pace A patient may experience a combination of medical conditions or symptoms that, together, become life-threatening Pregnancy often exacerbates conditions or symptoms that are stable in nonpregnant individuals There is no uniform set of signs or symptoms that constitute an "emergency" Patients may be lucid and appear to be in stable condition but demonstrate deteriorating health Any such list that does not center a clinician's ability to make and act upon appropriate medical judgments in each unique situation will almost certainly result in refusal and denial of care (e.g., when a physician determines a pregnant person's life or health is at risk, but their condition is not included on the list) Clinicians must be able to act before a patient acutely decompensates when a medical complication occurs. ACOG asserts that doctors and other health care professionals must be able to intervene when they feel it is medically necessary and provide abortion care before a patient is critically ill. Hospitals and other medical institutions should not require meeting particular criteria (e.g., admission to the ICU or unstable vital signs) before allowing clinicians to proceed with abortion care. Doctors and other health care professionals must be able to assess the unique patient and clinical situation in front of them and make reasonable, evidence-based decisions about when to intervene without fear of prosecution, loss of license, or fines." https://www.acog.org/news/news-articles/2022/08/understanding-medical-emergency-exceptions-in-abortion-bans-restrictions |
Anonymous
Even if a fetus is "actively dying" they cannot act as long as there is a heartbeat. This has come up in spontaneous abortions (aka miscarriages) where a fetal heartbeat is detected. As long as that's there, they cannot intervene. "actively dying" is referred to by medical professionals (hospice providers generally refer to this as the last 3 or so days of life), most often when referring to people for whom medical intervention is certainly possible but generally futile (e.g. the very elderly who do not have a DNR or whose family overrules the DNR) although certainly in a previously healthy adult, especially a young adult, they are going to do everything they can to reverse that, and depending on what is going on medically there can be a possibility of survival and even recovery. But it is also the case that obstetric complications can go from concerning to catastrophic in a very short point of time. The way some people talk about this reminds me of the opioid users who, I hear, rely on Narcan to pull them back from the brink after getting as close as they can to that brink. It can work, or not. |
Anonymous
Truly fascinating that the same people always screeching about freedom and making government small enough to drown in a bathtub are the same people that are in favor of legislating the crap out of healthcare they don't agree with. |
Anonymous
Probably because they’re not very bright but they’re big old hypocrites. |
Anonymous
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Ohio says hold my beer...A 33-year-old Ohio woman who was 22 weeks pregnant when she suffered the loss of her pregnancy is now being charged with abuse of a corpse, a fifth-degree felony.
Brittany Watts is experiencing right now is exactly what every person capable of pregnancy feared when Roe vs. Wade was overturned in 2022. In this strange, new world, a nonviable clump of cells has more legal rights than the grieving parents who suffered a medical emergency. Read more at: https://www.sacbee.com/opinion/article282803013.html#storylink=cpy Read more at: https://www.sacbee.com/opinion/article282803013.html |
Anonymous
why the heck does any women NEED to go out of state to get a medical procedure because some man in an authority position who is not a doctor told her she can't. The women was in the ER 4x due to her pregnancy. FFS. If she waits too long, she may end up sterile. Talk about " intellectually dishonest. " There's just no "intellect" there at all. |
Anonymous
I hope you are never in this position as this woman, or have a loved one go through this. Rs have literally created a "death list", ie, when a baby can be aborted. I never ever ever want to hear about ACA and death panels. EVER. |
Anonymous
| All the fkwits on here who are twisting them themselves into pretzels trying to establish at what point a pregnant woman must be “sick enough” and close enough to death to justify “really” needing an abortion are disgusting. You are honestly complete pieces of dogsht. |