Only ~14% Of U.S. Adults Have Gotten Latest Covid-19 Vaccine Update

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Anonymous wrote:Can I say the quiet part out loud? I am not convinced that the mRNA technology is safe. It’s brand new and there are only 3 years of experience with it. We know it risks heart damage for young men. It’s entirely possible that repeated mRNAs could pose a heart risk for more people in the long run. We just do not know and as far as I can tell the research is not being done. We don’t even know if repeated covid vaccination actually reduces risk. There has been research in flu vaccines suggesting that repeated vaccination can actually dampen immune response.

It's not brand new at all. It's perfectly safe. And you're spewing complete and utter bullshit and should be ashamed of yourself.

It's one thing to be ignorant. It's quite another to present your ignorance as some sort of credible or valid position.

Do you have any actual facts or are you just going to scream? the mRNA vax DOES cause myocarditis in some cases. It is not magic unicorn sparkles. Nobody has ever taken repeated mRNA vaccines for years. There is no magic forcefield around vaccines as a medical product. I mean, one covid vax (J&J) isn’t even in use anymore due to side effects.

Do you know what also causes myocaditis? Having Covid-19.

MRNA vaccines have been around for 30 years. https://publichealth.jhu.edu/2021/the-long-history-of-mrna-vaccines#:~:text=There%27s%20a%20big%20gap%20between,tested%20in%20humans%20in%202013.

Stop spewing your delusional bullshit or you will be perceived as doing it intentionally.

mRNA vaccines have absolutely not been administered repeatedly to large populations for 30 years. that’s incorrect.

for younger men the risk of myocarditis from the vaccine is significant.

but anyway if you are so convinced in your “science”, please link to the paper that shows
a) risks over 10 years of repeated mRNA vaccination
b) efficacy and effectiveness of mRNA boosters *as compared to people with the original series and covid infection.* not compared to no vax/no infection.

The risk to young men who get COVID is way worse. But that requires logical reasoning skills.

You are going to need to back up this claim with facts and data. Best of luck!

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Anonymous wrote:US public health has totally screwed it up. The focus needs to be on the elderly, esp. those in nursing homes, since that's 90% of the deaths. But instead everything they put out is "ages 6 months and up", implying every age has the same level of risk.

Additionally adding in unsupported messaging, e.g., this will help prevent long covid, or outright untruths, "this will keep you from transmitting to Grandma" continues to turn people off to the vaccine.

Totally agree! I think if the recommendation was "it's important for XYZ groups to get her vaccine," those ppl would pay more attention.

Saying young kids should be on their 4th+ shot just sounds really silly.

+1. I have friends and family in the UK, Germany, Norway, and Japan. Annual boosters are recommended only for at-risk populations in ALL of those countries. The US recommendation really is the outlier and I have a hard time believing that all of those countries are wrong and we're right. Most likely, the actual science doesn't show a clear benefit, but also no clear risks, so countries with a more robust public health system can be more nuanced than in the US.

This is from Germany and is the most logical and concise explanation of the advice I've seen. I've had three rounds of COVID vaccines and it's been in our house three times (only once did the kids and I test positive during the initial Omicron wave). We all get our flu shots and I'm sure we have plenty of immune-boosting environmental exposure to COVID, but until there's clear enough evidence that makes everywhere else change their guidelines, I don't feel the need to put my needle-phobic kids and myself through more boosters.

Basic knowledge
Who is recommended a vaccination?
Since the beginning of the COVID-19 pandemic, infection trends have changed greatly. At this point in time, it can be assumed that SARS-CoV-2 is transitioning to an endemic wave-like event. This means that while the virus will continue to circulate within the population, the milder disease progressions of Omicron virus variants and the high immunity within the population on account of vaccination and past infection have resulted in there now being significantly fewer instances of severe illness.

In contrast with earlier virus variants, infections with the Omicron variant also appear to result in fewer cases of long COVID. Furthermore, various studies indicate that full vaccination may provide a certain level of protection against long COVID (Useful information for patients and interested parties).

The Standing Committee on Vaccination (STIKO) has entered its COVID-19 vaccination recommendations in the immunisation schedule for recommended standard vaccinations. Healthy people aged between 18 and 59 years (including pregnant people) are recommended a basic immunisation as well as a booster to build up a basic immunity. It is important that the immune system is exposed to pathogen components (through vaccination) or the pathogen itself (through infection) three times. At least two such exposures should occur through vaccination.

Groups of people who are at increased risk are recommended an additional booster vaccination once a year. The vaccination should be administered with a variant-adapted vaccine and generally at least 12 months after the previous vaccination or infection. Preferably vaccinations should be administered in autumn, so that in case of growing infection rates, vulnerable people still have the best-possible protection in autumn and winter.

This applies to:

All people aged 60 or over
Residents of long-term care facilities
Anyone over the age of 6 months with an underlying condition
People of all ages with an increased infection risk on account of their occupation in medical or long-term care
Family members and close contacts of people for whom the COVID-19 vaccination is unlikely to produce a protective immune response
For people with an immune deficiency and a relevant limited immune response, additional vaccine doses in shorter intervals may be beneficial. Whether additional vaccine doses are needed is determined by the attending physician.

https://www.bundesgesundheitsministerium.de/en/coronavirus/faq-covid-19-vaccination

I understand not recommending it but are they saying younger people shouldn’t get it? why get the flu vaccine and not the Covid shot? I get the flu vaccine every year because it has been shown in many cases to give you a milder case even if it doesn’t totally prevent the flu. I have never, not once in my life, been concerned about being hospitalized or dead, because of the flu… I just want a milder case if I get it.

That’s how I feel about Covid, and I would rather have a milder case. I got it once last year about two months after my booster and it was such a mild cold. I can’t help but think that is because I had been vaccinated, especially since I know young healthy people who ended up in the hospital with it prior to vaccination.

I also think vaccine rates are lower than the flu in part because I knew a lot of people who got it COVID this spring or summer and there is solid evidence that most people have natural immunity for many months after, so there’s no need to get the shot right now.

I also get the flu shot for the same reasons. But I’m on the fence about covid. There is no “covid season” the same as flu season and the booster wanes quickly, so you’re not getting the same protection as a flu shot. But more importantly I just don’t think the research has been done yet to show thay the covid booster provides significant benefits similar to the flu research. And as well, we don’t actually know the long term side effects of repeated mRNA vaccinations. With flu they actually have done research on multiple flu shots because there was some evidence that multiple flu shots actually *supresses* immune response to flu. Last I read it appears that multiple shots are better than no shots. But it’s complicated because research into real-world vaccine efficacy/effectiveness is difficult with many confounders.

Eg: https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanres/article/PIIS2213-2600(22)00266-1/fulltext

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Seriously what's the point? Everyone I know got all the shots before and almost every one of them ended up with Covid/covid pneumonia.

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Anonymous wrote:Is anyone actually dying from covid anymore?

I just heard that COVID is the 4th leading cause of death in the U.S.

That was for 2022. And that includes deaths where covid was the main driver as well as where it was only a contributory cause.

For 2023, it's not clear that covid will even make the top ten causes of death in the US. Covid deaths fell off sharply once the milder Omicron strain became dominant in early 2022 and are presently near their historical lows. https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#trends_weeklydeaths_select_00

Is there going to be a post Thanksgiving spike? A holiday time spike? Post Christmas and New Year’s Spike?

Sorry but no. The majority of people aren’t testing anymore. Sure there will Covid but no one is really reporting anymore.

I actually think you can get free test sent to your house (up to two) by the government

You can get free ones in the mail a few times a year.

Yes. If you find a positive result, are you supposed to report it if you get a test this way?

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Anonymous wrote:Is anyone actually dying from covid anymore?

I just heard that COVID is the 4th leading cause of death in the U.S.

That was for 2022. And that includes deaths where covid was the main driver as well as where it was only a contributory cause.

For 2023, it's not clear that covid will even make the top ten causes of death in the US. Covid deaths fell off sharply once the milder Omicron strain became dominant in early 2022 and are presently near their historical lows. https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#trends_weeklydeaths_select_00

Is there going to be a post Thanksgiving spike? A holiday time spike? Post Christmas and New Year’s Spike?

Sorry but no. The majority of people aren’t testing anymore. Sure there will Covid but no one is really reporting anymore.

Some people are testing but no one is reporting it anymore and many of us never reported it when we had it in the past.

I think you can get tested at an urgent care or doctor’s office if you have symptoms or if you’re concerned you’re an asymptomatic carrier. If so don’t they report to the CDC?

Our doctors will not see us for Covid and send us to the er.

Was that because you had tested at home and were positive? Or were you just showing signs of potential Covid?

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Anonymous wrote:Research published in The Lancet medical journal in April 2022 shows that there is no greater risk of developing heart inflammation after a Covid-19 vaccine than after other common vaccines, including the flu jab.

Researchers from Singapore looked at the findings of 22 different studies, covering 405 million doses of different vaccines around the world – including flu, smallpox, polio, measles, mumps and rubella. Overall the rates of myocarditis and pericarditis following Covid vaccines weren’t significantly different to other vaccines, including flu, although rates of myocarditis or pericarditis in young men were higher following mRNA-based Covid vaccines such as Moderna or Pfizer.

The researchers, writing in The Lancet medical journal, suggested that the rare cases of post-vaccine myocarditis and pericarditis might be connected to the overall immune response to vaccination, not specifically because of the Covid-19 vaccination or the spike protein it is based on. They suggested that the reports of myocarditis and pericarditis might be because of the large scale of Covid-19 vaccination and the close scrutiny it has had.

Based on these findings, the researchers said that the benefits of Covid-19 vaccines (including a reduced risk of severe illness or death) far outweigh the very small risk of myocarditis or pericarditis, which is also seen for other vaccines.

https://www.bhf.org.uk/informationsupport/heart-matters-magazine/news/coronavirus-and-your-health/coronavirus-vaccine-your-questions-answered/myocarditis-and-covid-19-vaccines-should-you-be-worried

This study makes misleading claims. Its authors conducted a literature review/meta-analysis of existing studies on the cardiac side effects of vaccines. It is known that covid and smallpox vaccines can generate cardiac side effects. Unsurprisingly, most of the studies in this review relate to covid or smallpox. There were only five studies that looked at other vaccines: two studies found zero cardiac side effects from non-smallpox vaccines, a third study found only one instance, while 90% of the reported cardiac side effects in non-smallpox vaccines (152 total) came from just one study. However, when you read that one study on live vaccines, you find that of the 152 cardiac cases initially flagged, there was ultimately only one probable case of pericarditis found in the 42-day window post-vaccination, leading those authors to say that "While our study does not speak to risk related to smallpox vaccination, our results provide evidence for the lack of an association between other commonly-administered live viral vaccines and these cardiac outcomes." Despite this, the literature review authors use the 152 initially flagged cardiac cases and draw the opposite conclusion to the authors of the underlying study.

What does this literature review show? They found numerous studies which showed cardiac side effects from covid and small pox vaccines, and very few studies finding cardiac links with other vaccines, consistent with common consensus. The authors do not show convincing or extensive evidence of cardiac side effects in non-covid, non-smallpox vaccines, despite its claims. Also of note: one of the two authors who conceived and drafted this literature review receives funding from a medical company that is involved with the manufacturing and packaging of two well-known covid vaccines.

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Anonymous wrote:US public health has totally screwed it up. The focus needs to be on the elderly, esp. those in nursing homes, since that's 90% of the deaths. But instead everything they put out is "ages 6 months and up", implying every age has the same level of risk.

Additionally adding in unsupported messaging, e.g., this will help prevent long covid, or outright untruths, "this will keep you from transmitting to Grandma" continues to turn people off to the vaccine.

Totally agree! I think if the recommendation was "it's important for XYZ groups to get her vaccine," those ppl would pay more attention.

Saying young kids should be on their 4th+ shot just sounds really silly.

+1. I have friends and family in the UK, Germany, Norway, and Japan. Annual boosters are recommended only for at-risk populations in ALL of those countries. The US recommendation really is the outlier and I have a hard time believing that all of those countries are wrong and we're right. Most likely, the actual science doesn't show a clear benefit, but also no clear risks, so countries with a more robust public health system can be more nuanced than in the US.

This is from Germany and is the most logical and concise explanation of the advice I've seen. I've had three rounds of COVID vaccines and it's been in our house three times (only once did the kids and I test positive during the initial Omicron wave). We all get our flu shots and I'm sure we have plenty of immune-boosting environmental exposure to COVID, but until there's clear enough evidence that makes everywhere else change their guidelines, I don't feel the need to put my needle-phobic kids and myself through more boosters.

Basic knowledge
Who is recommended a vaccination?
Since the beginning of the COVID-19 pandemic, infection trends have changed greatly. At this point in time, it can be assumed that SARS-CoV-2 is transitioning to an endemic wave-like event. This means that while the virus will continue to circulate within the population, the milder disease progressions of Omicron virus variants and the high immunity within the population on account of vaccination and past infection have resulted in there now being significantly fewer instances of severe illness.

In contrast with earlier virus variants, infections with the Omicron variant also appear to result in fewer cases of long COVID. Furthermore, various studies indicate that full vaccination may provide a certain level of protection against long COVID (Useful information for patients and interested parties).

The Standing Committee on Vaccination (STIKO) has entered its COVID-19 vaccination recommendations in the immunisation schedule for recommended standard vaccinations. Healthy people aged between 18 and 59 years (including pregnant people) are recommended a basic immunisation as well as a booster to build up a basic immunity. It is important that the immune system is exposed to pathogen components (through vaccination) or the pathogen itself (through infection) three times. At least two such exposures should occur through vaccination.

Groups of people who are at increased risk are recommended an additional booster vaccination once a year. The vaccination should be administered with a variant-adapted vaccine and generally at least 12 months after the previous vaccination or infection. Preferably vaccinations should be administered in autumn, so that in case of growing infection rates, vulnerable people still have the best-possible protection in autumn and winter.

This applies to:

All people aged 60 or over
Residents of long-term care facilities
Anyone over the age of 6 months with an underlying condition
People of all ages with an increased infection risk on account of their occupation in medical or long-term care
Family members and close contacts of people for whom the COVID-19 vaccination is unlikely to produce a protective immune response
For people with an immune deficiency and a relevant limited immune response, additional vaccine doses in shorter intervals may be beneficial. Whether additional vaccine doses are needed is determined by the attending physician.

https://www.bundesgesundheitsministerium.de/en/coronavirus/faq-covid-19-vaccination

I understand not recommending it but are they saying younger people shouldn’t get it? why get the flu vaccine and not the Covid shot? I get the flu vaccine every year because it has been shown in many cases to give you a milder case even if it doesn’t totally prevent the flu. I have never, not once in my life, been concerned about being hospitalized or dead, because of the flu… I just want a milder case if I get it.

That’s how I feel about Covid, and I would rather have a milder case. I got it once last year about two months after my booster and it was such a mild cold. I can’t help but think that is because I had been vaccinated, especially since I know young healthy people who ended up in the hospital with it prior to vaccination.

I also think vaccine rates are lower than the flu in part because I knew a lot of people who got it COVID this spring or summer and there is solid evidence that most people have natural immunity for many months after, so there’s no need to get the shot right now.

I also get the flu shot for the same reasons. But I’m on the fence about covid. There is no “covid season” the same as flu season and the booster wanes quickly, so you’re not getting the same protection as a flu shot. But more importantly I just don’t think the research has been done yet to show thay the covid booster provides significant benefits similar to the flu research. And as well, we don’t actually know the long term side effects of repeated mRNA vaccinations. With flu they actually have done research on multiple flu shots because there was some evidence that multiple flu shots actually *supresses* immune response to flu. Last I read it appears that multiple shots are better than no shots. But it’s complicated because research into real-world vaccine efficacy/effectiveness is difficult with many confounders.

Eg: https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanres/article/PIIS2213-2600(22)00266-1/fulltext

This, to me, is one of the biggest problems. I get a flu shot in October every year, and the protection afforded from that shot gets me through flu season. But there is no "covid season", and, if the strongest effectively of the covid shot wanes after just a month or 2, then when exactly am I supposed to time getting it? I'm hoping that there's some development effort underway to try to bolster the effectively of the shot so that one a year offers greater durability of protection.

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Anonymous wrote:US public health has totally screwed it up. The focus needs to be on the elderly, esp. those in nursing homes, since that's 90% of the deaths. But instead everything they put out is "ages 6 months and up", implying every age has the same level of risk.

Additionally adding in unsupported messaging, e.g., this will help prevent long covid, or outright untruths, "this will keep you from transmitting to Grandma" continues to turn people off to the vaccine.

Totally agree! I think if the recommendation was "it's important for XYZ groups to get her vaccine," those ppl would pay more attention.

Saying young kids should be on their 4th+ shot just sounds really silly.

+1. I have friends and family in the UK, Germany, Norway, and Japan. Annual boosters are recommended only for at-risk populations in ALL of those countries. The US recommendation really is the outlier and I have a hard time believing that all of those countries are wrong and we're right. Most likely, the actual science doesn't show a clear benefit, but also no clear risks, so countries with a more robust public health system can be more nuanced than in the US.

This is from Germany and is the most logical and concise explanation of the advice I've seen. I've had three rounds of COVID vaccines and it's been in our house three times (only once did the kids and I test positive during the initial Omicron wave). We all get our flu shots and I'm sure we have plenty of immune-boosting environmental exposure to COVID, but until there's clear enough evidence that makes everywhere else change their guidelines, I don't feel the need to put my needle-phobic kids and myself through more boosters.

Basic knowledge
Who is recommended a vaccination?
Since the beginning of the COVID-19 pandemic, infection trends have changed greatly. At this point in time, it can be assumed that SARS-CoV-2 is transitioning to an endemic wave-like event. This means that while the virus will continue to circulate within the population, the milder disease progressions of Omicron virus variants and the high immunity within the population on account of vaccination and past infection have resulted in there now being significantly fewer instances of severe illness.

In contrast with earlier virus variants, infections with the Omicron variant also appear to result in fewer cases of long COVID. Furthermore, various studies indicate that full vaccination may provide a certain level of protection against long COVID (Useful information for patients and interested parties).

The Standing Committee on Vaccination (STIKO) has entered its COVID-19 vaccination recommendations in the immunisation schedule for recommended standard vaccinations. Healthy people aged between 18 and 59 years (including pregnant people) are recommended a basic immunisation as well as a booster to build up a basic immunity. It is important that the immune system is exposed to pathogen components (through vaccination) or the pathogen itself (through infection) three times. At least two such exposures should occur through vaccination.

Groups of people who are at increased risk are recommended an additional booster vaccination once a year. The vaccination should be administered with a variant-adapted vaccine and generally at least 12 months after the previous vaccination or infection. Preferably vaccinations should be administered in autumn, so that in case of growing infection rates, vulnerable people still have the best-possible protection in autumn and winter.

This applies to:

All people aged 60 or over
Residents of long-term care facilities
Anyone over the age of 6 months with an underlying condition
People of all ages with an increased infection risk on account of their occupation in medical or long-term care
Family members and close contacts of people for whom the COVID-19 vaccination is unlikely to produce a protective immune response
For people with an immune deficiency and a relevant limited immune response, additional vaccine doses in shorter intervals may be beneficial. Whether additional vaccine doses are needed is determined by the attending physician.

https://www.bundesgesundheitsministerium.de/en/coronavirus/faq-covid-19-vaccination

I understand not recommending it but are they saying younger people shouldn’t get it? why get the flu vaccine and not the Covid shot? I get the flu vaccine every year because it has been shown in many cases to give you a milder case even if it doesn’t totally prevent the flu. I have never, not once in my life, been concerned about being hospitalized or dead, because of the flu… I just want a milder case if I get it.

That’s how I feel about Covid, and I would rather have a milder case. I got it once last year about two months after my booster and it was such a mild cold. I can’t help but think that is because I had been vaccinated, especially since I know young healthy people who ended up in the hospital with it prior to vaccination.

I also think vaccine rates are lower than the flu in part because I knew a lot of people who got it COVID this spring or summer and there is solid evidence that most people have natural immunity for many months after, so there’s no need to get the shot right now.

I also get the flu shot for the same reasons. But I’m on the fence about covid. There is no “covid season” the same as flu season and the booster wanes quickly, so you’re not getting the same protection as a flu shot. But more importantly I just don’t think the research has been done yet to show thay the covid booster provides significant benefits similar to the flu research. And as well, we don’t actually know the long term side effects of repeated mRNA vaccinations. With flu they actually have done research on multiple flu shots because there was some evidence that multiple flu shots actually *supresses* immune response to flu. Last I read it appears that multiple shots are better than no shots. But it’s complicated because research into real-world vaccine efficacy/effectiveness is difficult with many confounders.

Eg: https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanres/article/PIIS2213-2600(22)00266-1/fulltext

This, to me, is one of the biggest problems. I get a flu shot in October every year, and the protection afforded from that shot gets me through flu season. But there is no "covid season", and, if the strongest effectively of the covid shot wanes after just a month or 2, then when exactly am I supposed to time getting it? I'm hoping that there's some development effort underway to try to bolster the effectively of the shot so that one a year offers greater durability of protection.

Effectivity,, not effectively. Thanks autocorrect.

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I get a big peeling rash all over my torso and arms from the vaccine and it's triggered radiation recall dermatitis from my breast cancer treatment. There are other case studies in the literature about this. I'm 36, not in any risk groups (chemo finished 2 years ago), and have had Covid twice and it was mild both times. I did the initial series and one booster and have decided I'm not getting any more unless something radically changes. The mild benefits did not outweigh the costs.

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Anonymous wrote:US public health has totally screwed it up. The focus needs to be on the elderly, esp. those in nursing homes, since that's 90% of the deaths. But instead everything they put out is "ages 6 months and up", implying every age has the same level of risk.

Additionally adding in unsupported messaging, e.g., this will help prevent long covid, or outright untruths, "this will keep you from transmitting to Grandma" continues to turn people off to the vaccine.

Totally agree! I think if the recommendation was "it's important for XYZ groups to get her vaccine," those ppl would pay more attention.

Saying young kids should be on their 4th+ shot just sounds really silly.

+1. I have friends and family in the UK, Germany, Norway, and Japan. Annual boosters are recommended only for at-risk populations in ALL of those countries. The US recommendation really is the outlier and I have a hard time believing that all of those countries are wrong and we're right. Most likely, the actual science doesn't show a clear benefit, but also no clear risks, so countries with a more robust public health system can be more nuanced than in the US.

This is from Germany and is the most logical and concise explanation of the advice I've seen. I've had three rounds of COVID vaccines and it's been in our house three times (only once did the kids and I test positive during the initial Omicron wave). We all get our flu shots and I'm sure we have plenty of immune-boosting environmental exposure to COVID, but until there's clear enough evidence that makes everywhere else change their guidelines, I don't feel the need to put my needle-phobic kids and myself through more boosters.

Basic knowledge
Who is recommended a vaccination?
Since the beginning of the COVID-19 pandemic, infection trends have changed greatly. At this point in time, it can be assumed that SARS-CoV-2 is transitioning to an endemic wave-like event. This means that while the virus will continue to circulate within the population, the milder disease progressions of Omicron virus variants and the high immunity within the population on account of vaccination and past infection have resulted in there now being significantly fewer instances of severe illness.

In contrast with earlier virus variants, infections with the Omicron variant also appear to result in fewer cases of long COVID. Furthermore, various studies indicate that full vaccination may provide a certain level of protection against long COVID (Useful information for patients and interested parties).

The Standing Committee on Vaccination (STIKO) has entered its COVID-19 vaccination recommendations in the immunisation schedule for recommended standard vaccinations. Healthy people aged between 18 and 59 years (including pregnant people) are recommended a basic immunisation as well as a booster to build up a basic immunity. It is important that the immune system is exposed to pathogen components (through vaccination) or the pathogen itself (through infection) three times. At least two such exposures should occur through vaccination.

Groups of people who are at increased risk are recommended an additional booster vaccination once a year. The vaccination should be administered with a variant-adapted vaccine and generally at least 12 months after the previous vaccination or infection. Preferably vaccinations should be administered in autumn, so that in case of growing infection rates, vulnerable people still have the best-possible protection in autumn and winter.

This applies to:

All people aged 60 or over
Residents of long-term care facilities
Anyone over the age of 6 months with an underlying condition
People of all ages with an increased infection risk on account of their occupation in medical or long-term care
Family members and close contacts of people for whom the COVID-19 vaccination is unlikely to produce a protective immune response
For people with an immune deficiency and a relevant limited immune response, additional vaccine doses in shorter intervals may be beneficial. Whether additional vaccine doses are needed is determined by the attending physician.

https://www.bundesgesundheitsministerium.de/en/coronavirus/faq-covid-19-vaccination

I understand not recommending it but are they saying younger people shouldn’t get it? why get the flu vaccine and not the Covid shot? I get the flu vaccine every year because it has been shown in many cases to give you a milder case even if it doesn’t totally prevent the flu. I have never, not once in my life, been concerned about being hospitalized or dead, because of the flu… I just want a milder case if I get it.

That’s how I feel about Covid, and I would rather have a milder case. I got it once last year about two months after my booster and it was such a mild cold. I can’t help but think that is because I had been vaccinated, especially since I know young healthy people who ended up in the hospital with it prior to vaccination.

I also think vaccine rates are lower than the flu in part because I knew a lot of people who got it COVID this spring or summer and there is solid evidence that most people have natural immunity for many months after, so there’s no need to get the shot right now.

I also get the flu shot for the same reasons. But I’m on the fence about covid. There is no “covid season” the same as flu season and the booster wanes quickly, so you’re not getting the same protection as a flu shot. But more importantly I just don’t think the research has been done yet to show thay the covid booster provides significant benefits similar to the flu research. And as well, we don’t actually know the long term side effects of repeated mRNA vaccinations. With flu they actually have done research on multiple flu shots because there was some evidence that multiple flu shots actually *supresses* immune response to flu. Last I read it appears that multiple shots are better than no shots. But it’s complicated because research into real-world vaccine efficacy/effectiveness is difficult with many confounders.

Eg: https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanres/article/PIIS2213-2600(22)00266-1/fulltext

It’s a brand new virus… But it’s definitely starting to settle into seasonality. Experts predict it will be much more like the flu in that way in a few years.

There is an absolute fantastic article in the New York Times by an expert epidemiologist called Michael Mina. I highly recommend people read it. He basically talked about how Covid is really exactly like other viruses and it is always going to be a problem for those who were 65 and older when it first hit because their immune system is just not strong enough to ever mount a lasting response, but babies and young children today by the time they become elderly will have seen it 1 million times and willl be less of a threat or at least more like other known viruses. He also talks about how long Covid should continue to become less and less of a problem for the same reason… As we continue to get exposed to the virus year after year our bodies will figure it out.

For me, though… It is still fairly new and so I’m glad to have boosters to protect me. I fully expect to continue getting Covid and hopefully it will continue to be mild every time.

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Anonymous wrote:Research published in The Lancet medical journal in April 2022 shows that there is no greater risk of developing heart inflammation after a Covid-19 vaccine than after other common vaccines, including the flu jab.

Researchers from Singapore looked at the findings of 22 different studies, covering 405 million doses of different vaccines around the world – including flu, smallpox, polio, measles, mumps and rubella. Overall the rates of myocarditis and pericarditis following Covid vaccines weren’t significantly different to other vaccines, including flu, although rates of myocarditis or pericarditis in young men were higher following mRNA-based Covid vaccines such as Moderna or Pfizer.

The researchers, writing in The Lancet medical journal, suggested that the rare cases of post-vaccine myocarditis and pericarditis might be connected to the overall immune response to vaccination, not specifically because of the Covid-19 vaccination or the spike protein it is based on. They suggested that the reports of myocarditis and pericarditis might be because of the large scale of Covid-19 vaccination and the close scrutiny it has had.

Based on these findings, the researchers said that the benefits of Covid-19 vaccines (including a reduced risk of severe illness or death) far outweigh the very small risk of myocarditis or pericarditis, which is also seen for other vaccines.

https://www.bhf.org.uk/informationsupport/heart-matters-magazine/news/coronavirus-and-your-health/coronavirus-vaccine-your-questions-answered/myocarditis-and-covid-19-vaccines-should-you-be-worried

This study makes misleading claims. Its authors conducted a literature review/meta-analysis of existing studies on the cardiac side effects of vaccines. It is known that covid and smallpox vaccines can generate cardiac side effects. Unsurprisingly, most of the studies in this review relate to covid or smallpox. There were only five studies that looked at other vaccines: two studies found zero cardiac side effects from non-smallpox vaccines, a third study found only one instance, while 90% of the reported cardiac side effects in non-smallpox vaccines (152 total) came from just one study. However, when you read that one study on live vaccines, you find that of the 152 cardiac cases initially flagged, there was ultimately only one probable case of pericarditis found in the 42-day window post-vaccination, leading those authors to say that "While our study does not speak to risk related to smallpox vaccination, our results provide evidence for the lack of an association between other commonly-administered live viral vaccines and these cardiac outcomes." Despite this, the literature review authors use the 152 initially flagged cardiac cases and draw the opposite conclusion to the authors of the underlying study.

What does this literature review show? They found numerous studies which showed cardiac side effects from covid and small pox vaccines, and very few studies finding cardiac links with other vaccines, consistent with common consensus. The authors do not show convincing or extensive evidence of cardiac side effects in non-covid, non-smallpox vaccines, despite its claims. Also of note: one of the two authors who conceived and drafted this literature review receives funding from a medical company that is involved with the manufacturing and packaging of two well-known covid vaccines.

You are being misleading or else you don't understand math. Those "only five studies" that looked at other vaccines were at scales plenty large enough to draw conclusions:
"two studies on 1 521 782 doses of influenza vaccines,34, 42 and three studies on a variety of non-COVID-19 vaccines (such as varicella; yellow fever; oral polio vaccine; measles, mumps, and rubella; meningococcal; diphtheria, pertussis, and tetanus; BCG; hepatitis; and typhoid; 5 488 732 doses)"

"The overall incidence of myopericarditis in the general population did not differ significantly after receipt of COVID-19 vaccines (18·2 cases [10·9–30·3] per million doses, high certainty) compared with non-COVID-19 vaccines (56·0 [10·7–293·7], moderate certainty, p=0·20; figure 2)"

"Across all vaccines, the incidence of myocarditis was 16·0 cases (95% CI 8·2–31·2) per million doses (180 995 007 doses, seven studies, moderate certainty; appendix p 38). The incidence of myocarditis was significantly lower (p<0·0001) among those receiving COVID-19 vaccines (8·9 [6·7–11·8]; 179 664 350 doses, five studies) than those receiving non-COVID-19 vaccines (79·4 [63·6–99·0]; 1 330 657 doses, two studies)."

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Anonymous wrote:Is anyone actually dying from covid anymore?

Yes

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Anonymous wrote:US public health has totally screwed it up. The focus needs to be on the elderly, esp. those in nursing homes, since that's 90% of the deaths. But instead everything they put out is "ages 6 months and up", implying every age has the same level of risk.

Additionally adding in unsupported messaging, e.g., this will help prevent long covid, or outright untruths, "this will keep you from transmitting to Grandma" continues to turn people off to the vaccine.

Totally agree! I think if the recommendation was "it's important for XYZ groups to get her vaccine," those ppl would pay more attention.

Saying young kids should be on their 4th+ shot just sounds really silly.

+1. I have friends and family in the UK, Germany, Norway, and Japan. Annual boosters are recommended only for at-risk populations in ALL of those countries. The US recommendation really is the outlier and I have a hard time believing that all of those countries are wrong and we're right. Most likely, the actual science doesn't show a clear benefit, but also no clear risks, so countries with a more robust public health system can be more nuanced than in the US.

This is from Germany and is the most logical and concise explanation of the advice I've seen. I've had three rounds of COVID vaccines and it's been in our house three times (only once did the kids and I test positive during the initial Omicron wave). We all get our flu shots and I'm sure we have plenty of immune-boosting environmental exposure to COVID, but until there's clear enough evidence that makes everywhere else change their guidelines, I don't feel the need to put my needle-phobic kids and myself through more boosters.

Basic knowledge
Who is recommended a vaccination?
Since the beginning of the COVID-19 pandemic, infection trends have changed greatly. At this point in time, it can be assumed that SARS-CoV-2 is transitioning to an endemic wave-like event. This means that while the virus will continue to circulate within the population, the milder disease progressions of Omicron virus variants and the high immunity within the population on account of vaccination and past infection have resulted in there now being significantly fewer instances of severe illness.

In contrast with earlier virus variants, infections with the Omicron variant also appear to result in fewer cases of long COVID. Furthermore, various studies indicate that full vaccination may provide a certain level of protection against long COVID (Useful information for patients and interested parties).

The Standing Committee on Vaccination (STIKO) has entered its COVID-19 vaccination recommendations in the immunisation schedule for recommended standard vaccinations. Healthy people aged between 18 and 59 years (including pregnant people) are recommended a basic immunisation as well as a booster to build up a basic immunity. It is important that the immune system is exposed to pathogen components (through vaccination) or the pathogen itself (through infection) three times. At least two such exposures should occur through vaccination.

Groups of people who are at increased risk are recommended an additional booster vaccination once a year. The vaccination should be administered with a variant-adapted vaccine and generally at least 12 months after the previous vaccination or infection. Preferably vaccinations should be administered in autumn, so that in case of growing infection rates, vulnerable people still have the best-possible protection in autumn and winter.

This applies to:

All people aged 60 or over
Residents of long-term care facilities
Anyone over the age of 6 months with an underlying condition
People of all ages with an increased infection risk on account of their occupation in medical or long-term care
Family members and close contacts of people for whom the COVID-19 vaccination is unlikely to produce a protective immune response
For people with an immune deficiency and a relevant limited immune response, additional vaccine doses in shorter intervals may be beneficial. Whether additional vaccine doses are needed is determined by the attending physician.

https://www.bundesgesundheitsministerium.de/en/coronavirus/faq-covid-19-vaccination

I understand not recommending it but are they saying younger people shouldn’t get it? why get the flu vaccine and not the Covid shot? I get the flu vaccine every year because it has been shown in many cases to give you a milder case even if it doesn’t totally prevent the flu. I have never, not once in my life, been concerned about being hospitalized or dead, because of the flu… I just want a milder case if I get it.

That’s how I feel about Covid, and I would rather have a milder case. I got it once last year about two months after my booster and it was such a mild cold. I can’t help but think that is because I had been vaccinated, especially since I know young healthy people who ended up in the hospital with it prior to vaccination.

I also think vaccine rates are lower than the flu in part because I knew a lot of people who got it COVID this spring or summer and there is solid evidence that most people have natural immunity for many months after, so there’s no need to get the shot right now.

PP here. Because when you get the actual flu, there is no mild case like there is with COVID. Over three instances of COVID in our house (only one positive test, but guaranteed exposure), they were all many months after when the vaccine/booster benefits would have worn off, and were still either mild or asymptomatic/negative. The worst/only case was during the initial Omicron wave, and it was more like a bad cold with a lingering cough than anything. It was a barely noticeable cold for my kids when they had Omicron that passed in a day or two.

Contrast that with the flu, which knocks you out and makes you feel like death for a week or longer. When DH got the flu last winter (unvaccinated because I can't drag him to the pharmacy like I can my kids), he was SICK and the rest of us barely felt run down for a few days. That's worth the vaccine, but current COVID current variants are much more mild than Omicron was, or the original COVID that put healthy young people in the hospital, and will likely continue to get more mild. So why get a vaccine that may or may not make a mild cold even more milder for maybe two months?

And as to why are they saying young people shouldn't get it, I think it's because public health recommendations in a country with a universal health system has cost implications that the FDA doesn't have to consider. Easy to say, sure get it just for good public policy even if there's no good evidence when it's private insurers that have to pay for it.

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Anonymous wrote:Is anyone actually dying from covid anymore?

Yes

My brother's mother in law died from COVID on Thanksgiving Day.

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Anonymous wrote:Can I say the quiet part out loud? I am not convinced that the mRNA technology is safe. It’s brand new and there are only 3 years of experience with it. We know it risks heart damage for young men. It’s entirely possible that repeated mRNAs could pose a heart risk for more people in the long run. We just do not know and as far as I can tell the research is not being done. We don’t even know if repeated covid vaccination actually reduces risk. There has been research in flu vaccines suggesting that repeated vaccination can actually dampen immune response.

It's not brand new at all. It's perfectly safe. And you're spewing complete and utter bullshit and should be ashamed of yourself.

It's one thing to be ignorant. It's quite another to present your ignorance as some sort of credible or valid position.

Do you have any actual facts or are you just going to scream? the mRNA vax DOES cause myocarditis in some cases. It is not magic unicorn sparkles. Nobody has ever taken repeated mRNA vaccines for years. There is no magic forcefield around vaccines as a medical product. I mean, one covid vax (J&J) isn’t even in use anymore due to side effects.

Do you know what also causes myocaditis? Having Covid-19.

MRNA vaccines have been around for 30 years. https://publichealth.jhu.edu/2021/the-long-history-of-mrna-vaccines#:~:text=There%27s%20a%20big%20gap%20between,tested%20in%20humans%20in%202013.

Stop spewing your delusional bullshit or you will be perceived as doing it intentionally.

mRNA vaccines have absolutely not been administered repeatedly to large populations for 30 years. that’s incorrect.

for younger men the risk of myocarditis from the vaccine is significant.

but anyway if you are so convinced in your “science”, please link to the paper that shows
a) risks over 10 years of repeated mRNA vaccination
b) efficacy and effectiveness of mRNA boosters *as compared to people with the original series and covid infection.* not compared to no vax/no infection.

The risk to young men who get COVID is way worse. But that requires logical reasoning skills.

You are going to need to back up this claim with facts and data. Best of luck!

You want data that COVID cause more heart problems than the vaccine in men. Is your google broken. Besides, can you just follow logic.