Only ~14% Of U.S. Adults Have Gotten Latest Covid-19 Vaccine Update

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Anonymous wrote:I get a big peeling rash all over my torso and arms from the vaccine and it's triggered radiation recall dermatitis from my breast cancer treatment. There are other case studies in the literature about this. I'm 36, not in any risk groups (chemo finished 2 years ago), and have had Covid twice and it was mild both times. I did the initial series and one booster and have decided I'm not getting any more unless something radically changes. The mild benefits did not outweigh the costs.

You had cancer and you don't think you are in a risk group?

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Anonymous wrote:Research published in The Lancet medical journal in April 2022 shows that there is no greater risk of developing heart inflammation after a Covid-19 vaccine than after other common vaccines, including the flu jab.

Researchers from Singapore looked at the findings of 22 different studies, covering 405 million doses of different vaccines around the world – including flu, smallpox, polio, measles, mumps and rubella. Overall the rates of myocarditis and pericarditis following Covid vaccines weren’t significantly different to other vaccines, including flu, although rates of myocarditis or pericarditis in young men were higher following mRNA-based Covid vaccines such as Moderna or Pfizer.

The researchers, writing in The Lancet medical journal, suggested that the rare cases of post-vaccine myocarditis and pericarditis might be connected to the overall immune response to vaccination, not specifically because of the Covid-19 vaccination or the spike protein it is based on. They suggested that the reports of myocarditis and pericarditis might be because of the large scale of Covid-19 vaccination and the close scrutiny it has had.

Based on these findings, the researchers said that the benefits of Covid-19 vaccines (including a reduced risk of severe illness or death) far outweigh the very small risk of myocarditis or pericarditis, which is also seen for other vaccines.

https://www.bhf.org.uk/informationsupport/heart-matters-magazine/news/coronavirus-and-your-health/coronavirus-vaccine-your-questions-answered/myocarditis-and-covid-19-vaccines-should-you-be-worried

This study makes misleading claims. Its authors conducted a literature review/meta-analysis of existing studies on the cardiac side effects of vaccines. It is known that covid and smallpox vaccines can generate cardiac side effects. Unsurprisingly, most of the studies in this review relate to covid or smallpox. There were only five studies that looked at other vaccines: two studies found zero cardiac side effects from non-smallpox vaccines, a third study found only one instance, while 90% of the reported cardiac side effects in non-smallpox vaccines (152 total) came from just one study. However, when you read that one study on live vaccines, you find that of the 152 cardiac cases initially flagged, there was ultimately only one probable case of pericarditis found in the 42-day window post-vaccination, leading those authors to say that "While our study does not speak to risk related to smallpox vaccination, our results provide evidence for the lack of an association between other commonly-administered live viral vaccines and these cardiac outcomes." Despite this, the literature review authors use the 152 initially flagged cardiac cases and draw the opposite conclusion to the authors of the underlying study.

What does this literature review show? They found numerous studies which showed cardiac side effects from covid and small pox vaccines, and very few studies finding cardiac links with other vaccines, consistent with common consensus. The authors do not show convincing or extensive evidence of cardiac side effects in non-covid, non-smallpox vaccines, despite its claims. Also of note: one of the two authors who conceived and drafted this literature review receives funding from a medical company that is involved with the manufacturing and packaging of two well-known covid vaccines.

You are being misleading or else you don't understand math. Those "only five studies" that looked at other vaccines were at scales plenty large enough to draw conclusions:
"two studies on 1 521 782 doses of influenza vaccines,34, 42 and three studies on a variety of non-COVID-19 vaccines (such as varicella; yellow fever; oral polio vaccine; measles, mumps, and rubella; meningococcal; diphtheria, pertussis, and tetanus; BCG; hepatitis; and typhoid; 5 488 732 doses)"

"The overall incidence of myopericarditis in the general population did not differ significantly after receipt of COVID-19 vaccines (18·2 cases [10·9–30·3] per million doses, high certainty) compared with non-COVID-19 vaccines (56·0 [10·7–293·7], moderate certainty, p=0·20; figure 2)"

"Across all vaccines, the incidence of myocarditis was 16·0 cases (95% CI 8·2–31·2) per million doses (180 995 007 doses, seven studies, moderate certainty; appendix p 38). The incidence of myocarditis was significantly lower (p<0·0001) among those receiving COVID-19 vaccines (8·9 [6·7–11·8]; 179 664 350 doses, five studies) than those receiving non-COVID-19 vaccines (79·4 [63·6–99·0]; 1 330 657 doses, two studies)."

The authors are grouping smallpox vaccine results with other non-covid vaccines to make their comparison to covid vaccines, with the smallpox vaccine dominating their results. We already know that the smallpox vaccine has cardiac side effects. The question is with regards to other vaccines. With regards to your quotes. Quote #1 Many vaccines are listed in your first quote, but only influenza, varicella, and yellow fever were found to have any cardiac effects. Oddly, the authors did not list the smallpox vaccine here even though it is included in the latter group of studies and did have cardiac effects. One study accounting for 1.2 million influenza doses found no cardiac effects; one study accounting for 5 million non-covid non-smallpox doses found one cardiac effect. Quote #2 The authors are comparing COVID-19 vaccines to non-COVID-19 vaccines; smallpox is driving this result. Quote #3 The two non-COVID-19 comparison studies noted include one smallpox study and the one study mentioned above which had a far smaller confirmed cardiac total than what the review authors used.

Further, the review authors misstated their findings in the page 1 summary; they stated covid vaccine results were not significantly different from "studies reporting on various other non-smallpox vaccinations (57·0 [1·1–3036·6], p=0·58)" However, these "other non-smallpox vaccinations" studies did indeed include a smallpox study (Engler), which had the highest cases per million of any surveyed study. Engler is not a "non-smallpox" study so its results should not have been included in this grouping. The Kuntz study included here is the one mentioned above where the study authors believed that there was in fact only 1 probable cardiac effect, not the 152 assumed by the review authors.

The review gives the impression that a number of other vaccines generate cardiac effects beside the covid vaccine. "Thus, the overall risk of myopericarditis appears to be no different for this very new group of vaccines against COVID-19 than for traditional vaccines against other pathogens." (page 684) The BHF expands on this idea in its press statement. However, the review results show that the risk of cardiac side effects are predominantly with the covid and smallpox vaccines.

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Anonymous wrote:Can I say the quiet part out loud? I am not convinced that the mRNA technology is safe. It’s brand new and there are only 3 years of experience with it. We know it risks heart damage for young men. It’s entirely possible that repeated mRNAs could pose a heart risk for more people in the long run. We just do not know and as far as I can tell the research is not being done. We don’t even know if repeated covid vaccination actually reduces risk. There has been research in flu vaccines suggesting that repeated vaccination can actually dampen immune response.

It's not brand new at all. It's perfectly safe. And you're spewing complete and utter bullshit and should be ashamed of yourself.

It's one thing to be ignorant. It's quite another to present your ignorance as some sort of credible or valid position.

Do you have any actual facts or are you just going to scream? the mRNA vax DOES cause myocarditis in some cases. It is not magic unicorn sparkles. Nobody has ever taken repeated mRNA vaccines for years. There is no magic forcefield around vaccines as a medical product. I mean, one covid vax (J&J) isn’t even in use anymore due to side effects.

Do you know what also causes myocaditis? Having Covid-19.

MRNA vaccines have been around for 30 years. https://publichealth.jhu.edu/2021/the-long-history-of-mrna-vaccines#:~:text=There%27s%20a%20big%20gap%20between,tested%20in%20humans%20in%202013.

Stop spewing your delusional bullshit or you will be perceived as doing it intentionally.

mRNA vaccines have absolutely not been administered repeatedly to large populations for 30 years. that’s incorrect.

for younger men the risk of myocarditis from the vaccine is significant.

but anyway if you are so convinced in your “science”, please link to the paper that shows
a) risks over 10 years of repeated mRNA vaccination
b) efficacy and effectiveness of mRNA boosters *as compared to people with the original series and covid infection.* not compared to no vax/no infection.

The risk to young men who get COVID is way worse. But that requires logical reasoning skills.

You are going to need to back up this claim with facts and data. Best of luck!

You want data that COVID cause more heart problems than the vaccine in men. Is your google broken. Besides, can you just follow logic.

DP. I googled it. You’re not entirely right. At least for young men who got two Moderna shots.

“…the risk of myocarditis associated with the vaccine was lower than the risk associated with COVID-19 infection before or after vaccination – with one exception. Men under 40 who received a second dose of the Moderna vaccine had a higher risk of myocarditis following vaccination. ”

https://www.heart.org/en/news/2022/08/22/covid-19-infection-poses-higher-risk-for-myocarditis-than-vaccines

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Anonymous wrote:Is anyone actually dying from covid anymore?

I just heard that COVID is the 4th leading cause of death in the U.S.

That was for 2022. And that includes deaths where covid was the main driver as well as where it was only a contributory cause.

For 2023, it's not clear that covid will even make the top ten causes of death in the US. Covid deaths fell off sharply once the milder Omicron strain became dominant in early 2022 and are presently near their historical lows. https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#trends_weeklydeaths_select_00

Is there going to be a post Thanksgiving spike? A holiday time spike? Post Christmas and New Year’s Spike?

Sorry but no. The majority of people aren’t testing anymore. Sure there will Covid but no one is really reporting anymore.

Some people are testing but no one is reporting it anymore and many of us never reported it when we had it in the past.

I think you can get tested at an urgent care or doctor’s office if you have symptoms or if you’re concerned you’re an asymptomatic carrier. If so don’t they report to the CDC?

Our doctors will not see us for Covid and send us to the er.

Was that because you had tested at home and were positive? Or were you just showing signs of potential Covid?

Signs, not even testing positive but the doctors are terrible so it’s not like they’d help away. And, people want universal health care….

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Anonymous wrote:Is anyone actually dying from covid anymore?

Yes

My brother's mother in law died from COVID on Thanksgiving Day.

So she was old. That's incredible. I thought people lived forever.

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Anonymous wrote:Can I say the quiet part out loud? I am not convinced that the mRNA technology is safe. It’s brand new and there are only 3 years of experience with it. We know it risks heart damage for young men. It’s entirely possible that repeated mRNAs could pose a heart risk for more people in the long run. We just do not know and as far as I can tell the research is not being done. We don’t even know if repeated covid vaccination actually reduces risk. There has been research in flu vaccines suggesting that repeated vaccination can actually dampen immune response.

It's not brand new at all. It's perfectly safe. And you're spewing complete and utter bullshit and should be ashamed of yourself.

It's one thing to be ignorant. It's quite another to present your ignorance as some sort of credible or valid position.

Do you have any actual facts or are you just going to scream? the mRNA vax DOES cause myocarditis in some cases. It is not magic unicorn sparkles. Nobody has ever taken repeated mRNA vaccines for years. There is no magic forcefield around vaccines as a medical product. I mean, one covid vax (J&J) isn’t even in use anymore due to side effects.

Do you know what also causes myocaditis? Having Covid-19.

MRNA vaccines have been around for 30 years. https://publichealth.jhu.edu/2021/the-long-history-of-mrna-vaccines#:~:text=There%27s%20a%20big%20gap%20between,tested%20in%20humans%20in%202013.

Stop spewing your delusional bullshit or you will be perceived as doing it intentionally.

mRNA vaccines have absolutely not been administered repeatedly to large populations for 30 years. that’s incorrect.

for younger men the risk of myocarditis from the vaccine is significant.

but anyway if you are so convinced in your “science”, please link to the paper that shows
a) risks over 10 years of repeated mRNA vaccination
b) efficacy and effectiveness of mRNA boosters *as compared to people with the original series and covid infection.* not compared to no vax/no infection.

The risk to young men who get COVID is way worse. But that requires logical reasoning skills.

You are going to need to back up this claim with facts and data. Best of luck!

You want data that COVID cause more heart problems than the vaccine in men. Is your google broken. Besides, can you just follow logic.

DP. I googled it. You’re not entirely right. At least for young men who got two Moderna shots.

“…the risk of myocarditis associated with the vaccine was lower than the risk associated with COVID-19 infection before or after vaccination – with one exception. Men under 40 who received a second dose of the Moderna vaccine had a higher risk of myocarditis following vaccination. ”

https://www.heart.org/en/news/2022/08/22/covid-19-infection-poses-higher-risk-for-myocarditis-than-vaccines

The Moderna vaccine isn’t even available anymore.

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Anonymous wrote:Is anyone actually dying from covid anymore?

Yes

My brother's mother in law died from COVID on Thanksgiving Day.

So she was old. That's incredible. I thought people lived forever.

How do you know her age?

My 50 yo friend died and she is a MIL.

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Anonymous wrote:Can I say the quiet part out loud? I am not convinced that the mRNA technology is safe. It’s brand new and there are only 3 years of experience with it. We know it risks heart damage for young men. It’s entirely possible that repeated mRNAs could pose a heart risk for more people in the long run. We just do not know and as far as I can tell the research is not being done. We don’t even know if repeated covid vaccination actually reduces risk. There has been research in flu vaccines suggesting that repeated vaccination can actually dampen immune response.

Yea and it causes autism too! 🙄

Yeah, that’s not helpful. The myocarditis causation is already established.

But the myocarditis risk from getting covid is significantly higher for those "same young men". That has been established. So get the Novavax if you are that concerned. But not getting the mRNA is also silly if you look at the data---your risk is significantly higher of heart issues from getting covid itself. Science and facts are amazing

DP. You're certainly right that the myocarditis risk is higher from covid itself than from the vaccine, but that doesn't really demonstrate value given that the vaccine doesn't prevent covid. Honest question: is there reasonably good data showing that the myocarditis risk from covid is lower after being vaccinated? And, given that nearly all of us have had covid already, is the myocarditis risk from infection lower after being vaccinated versus having a prior infection?

The vaccine prevents covid. Not 100% but that doesn’t mean 0 either. Why do you keep repeating false info?

Let's put it this way: If you get vaccinated, at recommended intervals, can you reasonably expect to still become covid at some point?

The answer to that is certainly yes, given the vaccines that we have.

Similarly, given where we are with covid, can you reasonably expect that an individual has already had covid? Again, the answer to that is yes.

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Anonymous wrote:Can I say the quiet part out loud? I am not convinced that the mRNA technology is safe. It’s brand new and there are only 3 years of experience with it. We know it risks heart damage for young men. It’s entirely possible that repeated mRNAs could pose a heart risk for more people in the long run. We just do not know and as far as I can tell the research is not being done. We don’t even know if repeated covid vaccination actually reduces risk. There has been research in flu vaccines suggesting that repeated vaccination can actually dampen immune response.

Yea and it causes autism too! 🙄

Yeah, that’s not helpful. The myocarditis causation is already established.

But the myocarditis risk from getting covid is significantly higher for those "same young men". That has been established. So get the Novavax if you are that concerned. But not getting the mRNA is also silly if you look at the data---your risk is significantly higher of heart issues from getting covid itself. Science and facts are amazing

DP. You're certainly right that the myocarditis risk is higher from covid itself than from the vaccine, but that doesn't really demonstrate value given that the vaccine doesn't prevent covid. Honest question: is there reasonably good data showing that the myocarditis risk from covid is lower after being vaccinated? And, given that nearly all of us have had covid already, is the myocarditis risk from infection lower after being vaccinated versus having a prior infection?

The vaccine prevents covid. Not 100% but that doesn’t mean 0 either. Why do you keep repeating false info?

Let's put it this way: If you get vaccinated, at recommended intervals, can you reasonably expect to still become covid at some point?

The answer to that is certainly yes, given the vaccines that we have.

Similarly, given where we are with covid, can you reasonably expect that an individual has already had covid? Again, the answer to that is yes.

Let’s put it this way.

If you get vaccinated you might avoid getting COVID hence avoid spreading it, and if you do get COVID you could recover faster, have less symptoms and your chance of death is less.

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Anonymous wrote:It makes me sick for two days and I can't afford the time off work or parenting.

Same. 2 days of 101+ fever each time. When I had Covid it was only a little worse than that.

But covid is doing long term damage to multiple systems in the body. You can't see it, but it's aging you quickly
https://www.panaccindex.info/p/what-sars-cov-2-does-to-the-body

Novavax is now an option for anyone who has side effects from mRNA vaccines. I had significant side effects from each mRNA, only a sore arm from Novavax and know so many others with a similar experience. Novavax has no mRNA, is protein based just like the other vaccines we've taken all of our lives

Interesting. So one could get Pfizer and then also Novavax? For double protection? Because it protects from two different angles?

Yes Novavax is available to anyone 12+ as a booster now. I have no idea why people keep arguing about mRNA when there is a classic protein based vaccine available that is as effective (and possibly more so) than Pfizer and Moderna

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Anonymous wrote:Can I say the quiet part out loud? I am not convinced that the mRNA technology is safe. It’s brand new and there are only 3 years of experience with it. We know it risks heart damage for young men. It’s entirely possible that repeated mRNAs could pose a heart risk for more people in the long run. We just do not know and as far as I can tell the research is not being done. We don’t even know if repeated covid vaccination actually reduces risk. There has been research in flu vaccines suggesting that repeated vaccination can actually dampen immune response.

It's not brand new at all. It's perfectly safe. And you're spewing complete and utter bullshit and should be ashamed of yourself.

It's one thing to be ignorant. It's quite another to present your ignorance as some sort of credible or valid position.

Do you have any actual facts or are you just going to scream? the mRNA vax DOES cause myocarditis in some cases. It is not magic unicorn sparkles. Nobody has ever taken repeated mRNA vaccines for years. There is no magic forcefield around vaccines as a medical product. I mean, one covid vax (J&J) isn’t even in use anymore due to side effects.

Do you know what also causes myocaditis? Having Covid-19.

MRNA vaccines have been around for 30 years. https://publichealth.jhu.edu/2021/the-long-history-of-mrna-vaccines#:~:text=There%27s%20a%20big%20gap%20between,tested%20in%20humans%20in%202013.

Stop spewing your delusional bullshit or you will be perceived as doing it intentionally.

mRNA vaccines have absolutely not been administered repeatedly to large populations for 30 years. that’s incorrect.

for younger men the risk of myocarditis from the vaccine is significant.

but anyway if you are so convinced in your “science”, please link to the paper that shows
a) risks over 10 years of repeated mRNA vaccination
b) efficacy and effectiveness of mRNA boosters *as compared to people with the original series and covid infection.* not compared to no vax/no infection.

The risk to young men who get COVID is way worse. But that requires logical reasoning skills.

You are going to need to back up this claim with facts and data. Best of luck!

You want data that COVID cause more heart problems than the vaccine in men. Is your google broken. Besides, can you just follow logic.

DP. I googled it. You’re not entirely right. At least for young men who got two Moderna shots.

“…the risk of myocarditis associated with the vaccine was lower than the risk associated with COVID-19 infection before or after vaccination – with one exception. Men under 40 who received a second dose of the Moderna vaccine had a higher risk of myocarditis following vaccination. ”

https://www.heart.org/en/news/2022/08/22/covid-19-infection-poses-higher-risk-for-myocarditis-than-vaccines

This is another study where the reported incidence of covid myocarditis is boosted since they only included covid patients with a medically confirmed positive covid test (ie the sickest patients) while excluding the majority of covid patients who were asymptomatic or recovered at home without medical testing. If all covid cases had been included, the incidence of covid myocarditis would be much lower.

To get around this distortion, look instead at the actual hospitalizations/deaths in this study. There were 617 myocarditis hospitalizations/deaths 1 to 28 days after any dose of vaccine. There were 195 myocarditis hospitalizations/deaths in the 28 days following a positive covid test. So, there were more than 3x as many events of vaccine myocarditis than covid myocarditis.

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Anonymous wrote:Is anyone actually dying from covid anymore?

Yes

My brother's mother in law died from COVID on Thanksgiving Day.

So she was old. That's incredible. I thought people lived forever.

Yeah why am I not surprised that you thought that.

-np

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Anonymous wrote:Can I say the quiet part out loud? I am not convinced that the mRNA technology is safe. It’s brand new and there are only 3 years of experience with it. We know it risks heart damage for young men. It’s entirely possible that repeated mRNAs could pose a heart risk for more people in the long run. We just do not know and as far as I can tell the research is not being done. We don’t even know if repeated covid vaccination actually reduces risk. There has been research in flu vaccines suggesting that repeated vaccination can actually dampen immune response.

Yea and it causes autism too! 🙄

Yeah, that’s not helpful. The myocarditis causation is already established.

But the myocarditis risk from getting covid is significantly higher for those "same young men". That has been established. So get the Novavax if you are that concerned. But not getting the mRNA is also silly if you look at the data---your risk is significantly higher of heart issues from getting covid itself. Science and facts are amazing

DP. You're certainly right that the myocarditis risk is higher from covid itself than from the vaccine, but that doesn't really demonstrate value given that the vaccine doesn't prevent covid. Honest question: is there reasonably good data showing that the myocarditis risk from covid is lower after being vaccinated? And, given that nearly all of us have had covid already, is the myocarditis risk from infection lower after being vaccinated versus having a prior infection?

The vaccine prevents covid. Not 100% but that doesn’t mean 0 either. Why do you keep repeating false info?

Let's put it this way: If you get vaccinated, at recommended intervals, can you reasonably expect to still become covid at some point?

The answer to that is certainly yes, given the vaccines that we have.

Similarly, given where we are with covid, can you reasonably expect that an individual has already had covid? Again, the answer to that is yes.

Let’s put it this way.

If you get vaccinated you might avoid getting COVID hence avoid spreading it, and if you do get COVID you could recover faster, have less symptoms and your chance of death is less.

Are you a pp? Because your response isn't relevant to the chain.

If you want to demonstrate a benefit to vaccination, you need to demonstrate a benefit compared to people that have already had covid. And if you want to demonstrate a benefit over myocarditis risks, then you need to look at what happens when people ultimately get covid, with and without prior vaccination.

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Think we all had it after Halloween….
That horrible cough!

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Anonymous wrote:We’re getting covid too frequently to get vaxxed.

This. We both got it the week before we were eligible for the new vax.