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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]US public health has totally screwed it up.  The focus needs to be on the elderly, esp. those in nursing homes, since that's 90% of the deaths.  But instead everything they put out is "ages 6 months and up", implying every age has the same level of risk.

Additionally adding in unsupported messaging, e.g., this will help prevent long covid, or outright untruths, "this will keep you from transmitting to Grandma" continues to turn people off to the vaccine.[/quote]

Totally agree! I think if the recommendation was "it's important for XYZ groups to get her vaccine," those ppl would pay more attention.

Saying young kids should be on their 4th+ shot just sounds really silly.[/quote]

+1. I have friends and family in the UK, Germany, Norway, and Japan. Annual boosters are recommended only for at-risk populations in ALL of those countries. The US recommendation really is the outlier and I have a hard time believing that all of those countries are wrong and we're right. Most likely, the actual science doesn't show a clear benefit, but also no clear risks, so countries with a more robust public health system can be more nuanced than in the US.

This is from Germany and is the most logical and concise explanation of the advice I've seen. I've had three rounds of COVID vaccines and it's been in our house three times (only once did the kids and I test positive during the initial Omicron wave). We all get our flu shots and I'm sure we have plenty of immune-boosting environmental exposure to COVID, but until there's clear enough evidence that makes everywhere else change their guidelines, I don't feel the need to put my needle-phobic kids and myself through more boosters.

[i]Basic knowledge
Who is recommended a vaccination?
Since the beginning of the COVID-19 pandemic, infection trends have changed greatly. At this point in time, it can be assumed that SARS-CoV-2 is transitioning to an endemic wave-like event. This means that while the virus will continue to circulate within the population, the milder disease progressions of Omicron virus variants and the high immunity within the population on account of vaccination and past infection have resulted in there now being significantly fewer instances of severe illness.

In contrast with earlier virus variants, infections with the Omicron variant also appear to result in fewer cases of long COVID. Furthermore, various studies indicate that full vaccination may provide a certain level of protection against long COVID (Useful information for patients and interested parties).

The Standing Committee on Vaccination (STIKO) has entered its COVID-19 vaccination recommendations in the immunisation schedule for recommended standard vaccinations. Healthy people aged between 18 and 59 years (including pregnant people) are recommended a basic immunisation as well as a booster to build up a basic immunity. It is important that the immune system is exposed to pathogen components (through vaccination) or the pathogen itself (through infection) three times. At least two such exposures should occur through vaccination.

Groups of people who are at increased risk are recommended an additional booster vaccination once a year. The vaccination should be administered with a variant-adapted vaccine and generally at least 12 months after the previous vaccination or infection. Preferably vaccinations should be administered in autumn, so that in case of growing infection rates, vulnerable people still have the best-possible protection in autumn and winter.

This applies to:

All people aged 60 or over
Residents of long-term care facilities
Anyone over the age of 6 months with an underlying condition
People of all ages with an increased infection risk on account of their occupation in medical or long-term care
Family members and close contacts of people for whom the COVID-19 vaccination is unlikely to produce a protective immune response
For people with an immune deficiency and a relevant limited immune response, additional vaccine doses in shorter intervals may be beneficial. Whether additional vaccine doses are needed is determined by the attending physician.[/i]

https://www.bundesgesundheitsministerium.de/en/coronavirus/faq-covid-19-vaccination[/quote]

I understand not recommending it but are they saying younger people shouldn’t get it? why get the flu vaccine and not the Covid shot? I get the flu vaccine every year because it has been shown in many cases to give you a milder case even if it doesn’t totally prevent the flu. I have never, not once in my life, been concerned about being hospitalized or dead, because of the flu… I just want a milder case if I get it.

That’s how I feel about Covid, and I would rather have a milder case. I got it once last year about two months after my booster and it was such a mild cold. I can’t help but think that is because I had been vaccinated, especially since I know young healthy people who ended up in the hospital with it prior to vaccination.

I also think vaccine rates are lower than the flu in part because I knew a lot of people who got it COVID this spring or summer and there is solid evidence that most people have natural immunity for many months after, so there’s no need to get the shot right now. [/quote]

I also get the flu shot for the same reasons. But I’m on the fence about covid. There is no “covid season” the same as flu season and the booster wanes quickly, so you’re not getting the same protection as a flu shot. But more importantly I just don’t think the research has been done yet to show thay the covid booster provides significant benefits similar to the flu research. And as well, we don’t actually know the long term side effects of repeated mRNA vaccinations. With flu they actually have done research on multiple flu shots because there was some evidence that multiple flu shots actually *supresses* immune response to flu. Last I read it appears that multiple shots are better than no shots. But it’s complicated because research into real-world vaccine efficacy/effectiveness is difficult with many confounders.

Eg: https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanres/article/PIIS2213-2600(22)00266-1/fulltext[/quote]

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