Notre Dame or Georgetown

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I dont think you ever went to ND.

I mean, it's colder than Texas but it's not killer winter and not especially long. Kids stop wearing coats in March (average highs 47)

Seasonable affect? It's not especially north. There's more lake effect in Syracuse.

The inability to do other things? lolz

Actually South Bend is on the border of the central time zone, which means their sunset is very late in the day. My son who just graduated misses that.

late sunset = better. more sun. less depression.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:DD applied to both ND and Georgetown early action. We really think she'll get into both and are already discussing the differences, the pros and cons. Any insights on the schools from people who have kids there now. Things besides academics as both are great in that regard. Thank you.

To share my completely subjective and emotional impressions:

I found Notre Dame stifling when I visited. All those rah-rah, white, wealthy, Catholic kids who've been boy or girl scouts and who are just so wholesome, self-satisfied, and assured of their places in society. Self-congratulatory and naive about their privilege as rich, white Christians. I preferred Georgetown. I thought the students, on balance, had more humility and creativity and less artless myopia, and I preferred the religious diversity. These are my purely personal takeaways. Others will no doubt see these schools differently. I didn't apply to ND, got into GU, and went to Northwestern.

Whatever you saw on a tour, you saw on a tour. I don't doubt it. But Georgetown is whiter and it's wealthier. It's wealthier because, ironically, the school is much poorer. The richer the school, the more generous the aid, the more economically diverse the class.

ND is more Catholic than Georgetown. True fact.

I mean, people, there are numbers on this. Not on how many boys scouts or how "humble" it is (although Georgetown has never struck me as especially humble), but the whiteness and the wealth of the student body. Facts. Numbers.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Another ND grad here. East Coast native. South Bend IS cold AF.

It's not as cold as it was 30 years ago. Sadly.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:DD applied to both ND and Georgetown early action. We really think she'll get into both and are already discussing the differences, the pros and cons. Any insights on the schools from people who have kids there now. Things besides academics as both are great in that regard. Thank you.

To share my completely subjective and emotional impressions:

I found Notre Dame stifling when I visited. All those rah-rah, white, wealthy, Catholic kids who've been boy or girl scouts and who are just so wholesome, self-satisfied, and assured of their places in society. Self-congratulatory and naive about their privilege as rich, white Christians. I preferred Georgetown. I thought the students, on balance, had more humility and creativity and less artless myopia, and I preferred the religious diversity. These are my purely personal takeaways. Others will no doubt see these schools differently. I didn't apply to ND, got into GU, and went to Northwestern.

Oh boy! This post states more about the poster than the content of the post. Some stuff going on in there.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:DD applied to both ND and Georgetown early action. We really think she'll get into both and are already discussing the differences, the pros and cons. Any insights on the schools from people who have kids there now. Things besides academics as both are great in that regard. Thank you.

To share my completely subjective and emotional impressions:

I found Notre Dame stifling when I visited. All those rah-rah, white, wealthy, Catholic kids who've been boy or girl scouts and who are just so wholesome, self-satisfied, and assured of their places in society. Self-congratulatory and naive about their privilege as rich, white Christians. I preferred Georgetown. I thought the students, on balance, had more humility and creativity and less artless myopia, and I preferred the religious diversity. These are my purely personal takeaways. Others will no doubt see these schools differently. I didn't apply to ND, got into GU, and went to Northwestern.

Whatever you saw on a tour, you saw on a tour. I don't doubt it. But Georgetown is whiter and it's wealthier. It's wealthier because, ironically, the school is much poorer. The richer the school, the more generous the aid, the more economically diverse the class.

ND is more Catholic than Georgetown. True fact.

I mean, people, there are numbers on this. Not on how many boys scouts or how "humble" it is (although Georgetown has never struck me as especially humble), but the whiteness and the wealth of the student body. Facts. Numbers.

I don't think Georgetown is whiter, but you may have a point about wealth. When I was there, somebody had put up a poster quoting the university president saying something to the effect of, "Either we are all Notre Dame or none of us is." How is that for demanding blanket conformity? Within that framework, perhaps there is room for individuality, but the school spirit thing is depersonalizing. They also talked about how they were going to change the world through their faith. They had the missionary zeal and self-righteousness of crusaders. Why didn't they all just dye themselves blue and green? Having parietals and separate dorms for men and women made me feel it would be like high school all over again.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:DD applied to both ND and Georgetown early action. We really think she'll get into both and are already discussing the differences, the pros and cons. Any insights on the schools from people who have kids there now. Things besides academics as both are great in that regard. Thank you.

To share my completely subjective and emotional impressions:

I found Notre Dame stifling when I visited. All those rah-rah, white, wealthy, Catholic kids who've been boy or girl scouts and who are just so wholesome, self-satisfied, and assured of their places in society. Self-congratulatory and naive about their privilege as rich, white Christians. I preferred Georgetown. I thought the students, on balance, had more humility and creativity and less artless myopia, and I preferred the religious diversity. These are my purely personal takeaways. Others will no doubt see these schools differently. I didn't apply to ND, got into GU, and went to Northwestern.

Whatever you saw on a tour, you saw on a tour. I don't doubt it. But Georgetown is whiter and it's wealthier. It's wealthier because, ironically, the school is much poorer. The richer the school, the more generous the aid, the more economically diverse the class.

ND is more Catholic than Georgetown. True fact.

I mean, people, there are numbers on this. Not on how many boys scouts or how "humble" it is (although Georgetown has never struck me as especially humble), but the whiteness and the wealth of the student body. Facts. Numbers.

I don't think Georgetown is whiter, but you may have a point about wealth. When I was there, somebody had put up a poster quoting the university president saying something to the effect of, "Either we are all Notre Dame or none of us is." How is that for demanding blanket conformity? Within that framework, perhaps there is room for individuality, but the school spirit thing is depersonalizing. They also talked about how they were going to change the world through their faith. They had the missionary zeal and self-righteousness of crusaders. Why didn't they all just dye themselves blue and green? Having parietals and separate dorms for men and women made me feel it would be like high school all over again.

meanwhile the Jesuits had three goals: to establish highly disciplined schools, to propagate Catholic beliefs through missionary work, and to combat Protestantism. All jesuit grads are told to "light the world on fire". So not sure about missionaries at ND, but it's at the core of GU.

parietals are the jurisdiction of ResLife and you'll only get in trouble if someone complains. this almost never happens when you have a single (so upperclassman). and it almost never happens if you're an underclassman and your roommate likes you even a little. also, even if you're written up, nothing happens until 3rd infraction and I've never even heard of that in recent years.

I went to ND undergrad and Georgetown Law (for a year), but my 21st century experience was teaching two years at ND pre-pandemic.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:DD applied to both ND and Georgetown early action. We really think she'll get into both and are already discussing the differences, the pros and cons. Any insights on the schools from people who have kids there now. Things besides academics as both are great in that regard. Thank you.

To share my completely subjective and emotional impressions:

I found Notre Dame stifling when I visited. All those rah-rah, white, wealthy, Catholic kids who've been boy or girl scouts and who are just so wholesome, self-satisfied, and assured of their places in society. Self-congratulatory and naive about their privilege as rich, white Christians. I preferred Georgetown. I thought the students, on balance, had more humility and creativity and less artless myopia, and I preferred the religious diversity. These are my purely personal takeaways. Others will no doubt see these schools differently. I didn't apply to ND, got into GU, and went to Northwestern.

Whatever you saw on a tour, you saw on a tour. I don't doubt it. But Georgetown is whiter and it's wealthier. It's wealthier because, ironically, the school is much poorer. The richer the school, the more generous the aid, the more economically diverse the class.

ND is more Catholic than Georgetown. True fact.

I mean, people, there are numbers on this. Not on how many boys scouts or how "humble" it is (although Georgetown has never struck me as especially humble), but the whiteness and the wealth of the student body. Facts. Numbers.

I don't think Georgetown is whiter, but you may have a point about wealth. When I was there, somebody had put up a poster quoting the university president saying something to the effect of, "Either we are all Notre Dame or none of us is." How is that for demanding blanket conformity? Within that framework, perhaps there is room for individuality, but the school spirit thing is depersonalizing. They also talked about how they were going to change the world through their faith. They had the missionary zeal and self-righteousness of crusaders. Why didn't they all just dye themselves blue and green? Having parietals and separate dorms for men and women made me feel it would be like high school all over again.

meanwhile the Jesuits had three goals: to establish highly disciplined schools, to propagate Catholic beliefs through missionary work, and to combat Protestantism. All jesuit grads are told to "light the world on fire". So not sure about missionaries at ND, but it's at the core of GU.

parietals are the jurisdiction of ResLife and you'll only get in trouble if someone complains. this almost never happens when you have a single (so upperclassman). and it almost never happens if you're an underclassman and your roommate likes you even a little. also, even if you're written up, nothing happens until 3rd infraction and I've never even heard of that in recent years.

I went to ND undergrad and Georgetown Law (for a year), but my 21st century experience was teaching two years at ND pre-pandemic.

And the Jesuits ran the Inquisition, but that was a while back. These days, they're more chill. At Georgetown, I didn't pick up on a repressive religious vibe.

One of the girls at ND told me parietals are much more strictly enforced for women than men, which is in line with the 1950s vibe I sensed there. And my visit was very much in the 21st century. Just the existence of parietals, even if they're not enforced, is overbearing

If ND is what you want, more power to you. I found it suffocating.

[Anonymous]

good thing you're not going to college!

[Anonymous]

There are 16 hours a day when you can have sex at ND. The 8 hours you can't are when you (likely) have roommate who would (likely) like to sleep.

Just so we're clear here, the rules at ND today are the same as the rules in my day at BC. Single sex dorms and semi-enforced visitor hours. Meaning, there was no sweep of the building - nobody who was in was kicked out at midnight - but there was a guard at the door and no non-residents allowed in the dorm building after midnight. That still makes some sense to me. Guys slept over when roommates were on vacation but .. otherwise sex was had other times. And again, this only matters when you're an underclassman. Once you have a single or you're off campus, this is all moot.

I'm not in favor of enforcing them for women and not men but also dont know what that means. Are woman kicked out of men's dorms at midnight or are men are kicked out of women's dorms at midnight?

My kids were in co-ed dorms and that was fine too. But they used key cards to get into the dorms overnight and the door was often propped open for expected visitors etc. They had break ins every few months. it could have been very bad. I like the human guard!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:good thing you're not going to college!

If you're addressing me (the guy who didn't like ND), I'm currently at Northwestern.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:DD applied to both ND and Georgetown early action. We really think she'll get into both and are already discussing the differences, the pros and cons. Any insights on the schools from people who have kids there now. Things besides academics as both are great in that regard. Thank you.

To share my completely subjective and emotional impressions:

I found Notre Dame stifling when I visited. All those rah-rah, white, wealthy, Catholic kids who've been boy or girl scouts and who are just so wholesome, self-satisfied, and assured of their places in society. Self-congratulatory and naive about their privilege as rich, white Christians. I preferred Georgetown. I thought the students, on balance, had more humility and creativity and less artless myopia, and I preferred the religious diversity. These are my purely personal takeaways. Others will no doubt see these schools differently. I didn't apply to ND, got into GU, and went to Northwestern.

Whatever you saw on a tour, you saw on a tour. I don't doubt it. But Georgetown is whiter and it's wealthier. It's wealthier because, ironically, the school is much poorer. The richer the school, the more generous the aid, the more economically diverse the class.

ND is more Catholic than Georgetown. True fact.

I mean, people, there are numbers on this. Not on how many boys scouts or how "humble" it is (although Georgetown has never struck me as especially humble), but the whiteness and the wealth of the student body. Facts. Numbers.

I don't think Georgetown is whiter, but you may have a point about wealth. When I was there, somebody had put up a poster quoting the university president saying something to the effect of, "Either we are all Notre Dame or none of us is." How is that for demanding blanket conformity? Within that framework, perhaps there is room for individuality, but the school spirit thing is depersonalizing. They also talked about how they were going to change the world through their faith. They had the missionary zeal and self-righteousness of crusaders. Why didn't they all just dye themselves blue and green? Having parietals and separate dorms for men and women made me feel it would be like high school all over again.

Agree. ND's diversity stats are worse than Georgetown.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:DD applied to both ND and Georgetown early action. We really think she'll get into both and are already discussing the differences, the pros and cons. Any insights on the schools from people who have kids there now. Things besides academics as both are great in that regard. Thank you.

To share my completely subjective and emotional impressions:

I found Notre Dame stifling when I visited. All those rah-rah, white, wealthy, Catholic kids who've been boy or girl scouts and who are just so wholesome, self-satisfied, and assured of their places in society. Self-congratulatory and naive about their privilege as rich, white Christians. I preferred Georgetown. I thought the students, on balance, had more humility and creativity and less artless myopia, and I preferred the religious diversity. These are my purely personal takeaways. Others will no doubt see these schools differently. I didn't apply to ND, got into GU, and went to Northwestern.

Whatever you saw on a tour, you saw on a tour. I don't doubt it. But Georgetown is whiter and it's wealthier. It's wealthier because, ironically, the school is much poorer. The richer the school, the more generous the aid, the more economically diverse the class.

ND is more Catholic than Georgetown. True fact.

I mean, people, there are numbers on this. Not on how many boys scouts or how "humble" it is (although Georgetown has never struck me as especially humble), but the whiteness and the wealth of the student body. Facts. Numbers.

I don't think Georgetown is whiter, but you may have a point about wealth. When I was there, somebody had put up a poster quoting the university president saying something to the effect of, "Either we are all Notre Dame or none of us is." How is that for demanding blanket conformity? Within that framework, perhaps there is room for individuality, but the school spirit thing is depersonalizing. They also talked about how they were going to change the world through their faith. They had the missionary zeal and self-righteousness of crusaders. Why didn't they all just dye themselves blue and green? Having parietals and separate dorms for men and women made me feel it would be like high school all over again.

meanwhile the Jesuits had three goals: to establish highly disciplined schools, to propagate Catholic beliefs through missionary work, and to combat Protestantism. All jesuit grads are told to "light the world on fire". So not sure about missionaries at ND, but it's at the core of GU.

parietals are the jurisdiction of ResLife and you'll only get in trouble if someone complains. this almost never happens when you have a single (so upperclassman). and it almost never happens if you're an underclassman and your roommate likes you even a little. also, even if you're written up, nothing happens until 3rd infraction and I've never even heard of that in recent years.

I went to ND undergrad and Georgetown Law (for a year), but my 21st century experience was teaching two years at ND pre-pandemic.

And the Jesuits ran the Inquisition, but that was a while back. These days, they're more chill. At Georgetown, I didn't pick up on a repressive religious vibe.

One of the girls at ND told me parietals are much more strictly enforced for women than men, which is in line with the 1950s vibe I sensed there. And my visit was very much in the 21st century. Just the existence of parietals, even if they're not enforced, is overbearing

If ND is what you want, more power to you. I found it suffocating.

LOL!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:DD applied to both ND and Georgetown early action. We really think she'll get into both and are already discussing the differences, the pros and cons. Any insights on the schools from people who have kids there now. Things besides academics as both are great in that regard. Thank you.

To share my completely subjective and emotional impressions:

I found Notre Dame stifling when I visited. All those rah-rah, white, wealthy, Catholic kids who've been boy or girl scouts and who are just so wholesome, self-satisfied, and assured of their places in society. Self-congratulatory and naive about their privilege as rich, white Christians. I preferred Georgetown. I thought the students, on balance, had more humility and creativity and less artless myopia, and I preferred the religious diversity. These are my purely personal takeaways. Others will no doubt see these schools differently. I didn't apply to ND, got into GU, and went to Northwestern.

Whatever you saw on a tour, you saw on a tour. I don't doubt it. But Georgetown is whiter and it's wealthier. It's wealthier because, ironically, the school is much poorer. The richer the school, the more generous the aid, the more economically diverse the class.

ND is more Catholic than Georgetown. True fact.

I mean, people, there are numbers on this. Not on how many boys scouts or how "humble" it is (although Georgetown has never struck me as especially humble), but the whiteness and the wealth of the student body. Facts. Numbers.

I don't think Georgetown is whiter, but you may have a point about wealth. When I was there, somebody had put up a poster quoting the university president saying something to the effect of, "Either we are all Notre Dame or none of us is." How is that for demanding blanket conformity? Within that framework, perhaps there is room for individuality, but the school spirit thing is depersonalizing. They also talked about how they were going to change the world through their faith. They had the missionary zeal and self-righteousness of crusaders. Why didn't they all just dye themselves blue and green? Having parietals and separate dorms for men and women made me feel it would be like high school all over again.

meanwhile the Jesuits had three goals: to establish highly disciplined schools, to propagate Catholic beliefs through missionary work, and to combat Protestantism. All jesuit grads are told to "light the world on fire". So not sure about missionaries at ND, but it's at the core of GU.

parietals are the jurisdiction of ResLife and you'll only get in trouble if someone complains. this almost never happens when you have a single (so upperclassman). and it almost never happens if you're an underclassman and your roommate likes you even a little. also, even if you're written up, nothing happens until 3rd infraction and I've never even heard of that in recent years.

I went to ND undergrad and Georgetown Law (for a year), but my 21st century experience was teaching two years at ND pre-pandemic.

And the Jesuits ran the Inquisition, but that was a while back. These days, they're more chill. At Georgetown, I didn't pick up on a repressive religious vibe.

One of the girls at ND told me parietals are much more strictly enforced for women than men, which is in line with the 1950s vibe I sensed there. And my visit was very much in the 21st century. Just the existence of parietals, even if they're not enforced, is overbearing

If ND is what you want, more power to you. I found it suffocating.

And the more of you out there who hate ND, the better for my kid who desperately wants to attend ND. She is a wholesome kid who is devout in her Catholic faith and would welcome rules like parietals. Access to a chapel and masses right in the residential hall...it doesn't get any better than that.

So you do you!! Go to GU or anywhere else for that matter and have all the sex you want in the middle of the night.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:good thing you're not going to college!

If you're addressing me (the guy who didn't like ND), I'm currently at Northwestern.

And on a mom’s blog ?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:good thing you're not going to college!

If you're addressing me (the guy who didn't like ND), I'm currently at Northwestern.

And on a mom’s blog ?

Right?