Won't the AA ruling be particularly bad for private school URMs?

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Anonymous wrote:historically, URM at the Big3 have received a significant college admissions bump. Won't this be particularly bad going forward as these kids won't be identified as minorities based on "low social economic status", zip code or other proxies for race.
Will these schools be able to attract diverse student bodies going forward?I'm thinking not only of Black kids but also all the wealthy Hispanic/Spanish kids (Bank, IMF, diplomat) who attend the Big3 and traditionally got an admissions boost.

No need for your concern trolling OP. Wealthy Black and Brown students who are academic achievers at the Big 3, NYC independents, NE boarding schools, HW, etc will continue to do well in the college admissions game. Especially since they’re the progeny of well-educated, well-heeled, savvy parents who will provide all of the necessary guidance and support.

What is the big 3?

STA/NCS
Sidwell
Basis Independent McLean

And the Basis troll strikes again! Where have you been we've missed your antics.

No, “we” have NOT. Speak for yourself!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Love to see folks on this forum tearing into each other.

What happened to your inclusive community?

Well, you’re obviously someone who is deeply satisfied with their life and their choices.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Private schools put in a lot of effort to get some black kids to make the white parents feel good that they are not racist. Many of these black kids are not coming from wealth, and might even be in a different zip code.

They can just write about the opportunity to go to a private school that their family was lucky to get a scholarship, and the admissions office will get the code.

Lol no. The black students at my kid’s school are all rich af. I guess it’s good that my white FA kid is not growing up with the stereotype that black = poor!

Why would you think that rich black parents aren’t choosing privates, like their rich white counterparts? Or do you just think that rich black parents don’t exist? I assure you that I am behind their BMWs and Mercedes and Teslas all the time.

+1. Yes, whoever wrote that post doesn’t know any wealthy Black people. Most of the Jack & Jill members in my chapter send their children to private school (especially for high school). Many of them (the parents) graduated from private high schools as well. They are not taking any chances with DCPS or public charters.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:historically, URM at the Big3 have received a significant college admissions bump. Won't this be particularly bad going forward as these kids won't be identified as minorities based on "low social economic status", zip code or other proxies for race.
Will these schools be able to attract diverse student bodies going forward?I'm thinking not only of Black kids but also all the wealthy Hispanic/Spanish kids (Bank, IMF, diplomat) who attend the Big3 and traditionally got an admissions boost.

No need for your concern trolling OP. Wealthy Black and Brown students who are academic achievers at the Big 3, NYC independents, NE boarding schools, HW, etc will continue to do well in the college admissions game. Especially since they’re the progeny of well-educated, well-heeled, savvy parents who will provide all of the necessary guidance and support.

What is the big 3?

STA/NCS
Sidwell
Basis Independent McLean

And the Basis troll strikes again! Where have you been we've missed your antics.

No, “we” have NOT. Speak for yourself!

Fair!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Affirmative Action has helped white women the most. Now, LGBT and immigrants are benefiting the most. Don’t know why we are zeroing in on and asking about AA’s.

As usual, indigenous black people in this country break their backs, do the work, make it possible for others to make a way in this country and get s**t on. All of these groups including Asians have benefitted from our hard fought for gains.

We are the only group that fights for EVERYONE’s rights. All other groups only concern themselves with theirs. When will we learn.

Yes because we are considered the lowest of the low, so one you extend rights to us, how can you deny them to those higher in the racial hierarchy? And I wouldn’t want to deny them anything.

But let’s me honest, one of the greatest “utilities” of slave-descendent black folks has been to give other groups something to distinguish themselves from as a means of achieving whiteness or proximity to whiteness. This applies to almost every racial group outside of western and Nordic Europeans (including immigrant blacks). This is just a fact.

I’m opposed to affirmative BTW and most other DEI measures. It’s all pointless…

It seems pointless because you haven’t had to live in a world without it yet. You presume you’re on equal footing in America. No amount of money or education alone in this country will ever put you on equal footing in this country. You or your children will learn that lesson.

Racism in America is insidious at every level.

You should leave. Lots of folks are going back to places in Africa for a host of reasons.

https://www.dw.com/en/back-to-roots-why-african-americans-are-flocking-to-ghana/a-64403580

You wish. This country was built and made wealthy on the whip-torn backs of my ancestors. Despite centuries of subjugation, hatred and systemic racism we are still here, fighting to climb out of the massive pit we were left in. And we will keep fighting, despite the Supreme Court delivering a devastating blow to our progress.

Yes yes yes! All of America’s advancements, inventions, ideas, buildings, and accomplishments are mainly and directly attributed to you and your ancestors. Fight fight fight!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Private schools put in a lot of effort to get some black kids to make the white parents feel good that they are not racist. Many of these black kids are not coming from wealth, and might even be in a different zip code.

They can just write about the opportunity to go to a private school that their family was lucky to get a scholarship, and the admissions office will get the code.

Lol no. The black students at my kid’s school are all rich af. I guess it’s good that my white FA kid is not growing up with the stereotype that black = poor!

Why would you think that rich black parents aren’t choosing privates, like their rich white counterparts? Or do you just think that rich black parents don’t exist? I assure you that I am behind their BMWs and Mercedes and Teslas all the time.

+1. Yes, whoever wrote that post doesn’t know any wealthy Black people. Most of the Jack & Jill members in my chapter send their children to private school (especially for high school). Many of them (the parents) graduated from private high schools as well. They are not taking any chances with DCPS or public charters.

“Our Kind of People”

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Anonymous wrote:I would think the decision means that legacy preferences aren’t long for the world. Hard to justify keeping that while eliminating race and the politics will become too difficult to keep the legacy preferences whatever you think of them

Why would you jump to that conclusion?

It’s not a novel thought. Legacy admissions almost certainly will be on the chopping block as schools reimagine admissions policies.

Can someone explain the connection? If you have pursued AA policies for many years, in theory you now have a diverse group of legacies. I don't think any legacy of any color wants to ban legacy for their own kids.

I guess I have a hard time understanding why the two are equated.

I think legacy preference is inherently unfair as well. Imagine a talented, hard-working kid who is the first in his family to go to college, or a kid whose family could never afford an elite college before now. Why should another kid get a leg up because his parents went to that school? Being a legacy says nothing about your own merit, which is probably why some top universities have been doing away with them even before this supreme court decision.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/michaeltnietzel/2022/10/30/legacy-college-admissions-come-under-fire-in-new-report/?sh=430487945f07

They also give a leg up to first gen, right? Why would first gen preference continue if legacy preference does not?

I think legacy preference isn’t fair yet I don’t see how they can get rid of legacy without addressing preferences around first gen. They seem connected.

Yes annual legacy alumni donations subsidize the first gen tuition, room & board bills.

As much as I prefer first gen preference to legacy, I have to admit PP is probably right.

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Anonymous wrote:I would think the decision means that legacy preferences aren’t long for the world. Hard to justify keeping that while eliminating race and the politics will become too difficult to keep the legacy preferences whatever you think of them

Why would you jump to that conclusion?

It’s not a novel thought. Legacy admissions almost certainly will be on the chopping block as schools reimagine admissions policies.

The first-gens and lower SESers that get in actually prefer having the blue-bloods as fellow students.

Can someone explain the connection? If you have pursued AA policies for many years, in theory you now have a diverse group of legacies. I don't think any legacy of any color wants to ban legacy for their own kids.

I guess I have a hard time understanding why the two are equated.

I think legacy preference is inherently unfair as well. Imagine a talented, hard-working kid who is the first in his family to go to college, or a kid whose family could never afford an elite college before now. Why should another kid get a leg up because his parents went to that school? Being a legacy says nothing about your own merit, which is probably why some top universities have been doing away with them even before this supreme court decision.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/michaeltnietzel/2022/10/30/legacy-college-admissions-come-under-fire-in-new-report/?sh=430487945f07

They also give a leg up to first gen, right? Why would first gen preference continue if legacy preference does not?

I think legacy preference isn’t fair yet I don’t see how they can get rid of legacy without addressing preferences around first gen. They seem connected.

Yes annual legacy alumni donations subsidize the first gen tuition, room & board bills.

As much as I prefer first gen preference to legacy, I have to admit PP is probably right.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Affirmative Action has helped white women the most. Now, LGBT and immigrants are benefiting the most. Don’t know why we are zeroing in on and asking about AA’s.

As usual, indigenous black people in this country break their backs, do the work, make it possible for others to make a way in this country and get s**t on. All of these groups including Asians have benefitted from our hard fought for gains.

We are the only group that fights for EVERYONE’s rights. All other groups only concern themselves with theirs. When will we learn.

Yes because we are considered the lowest of the low, so one you extend rights to us, how can you deny them to those higher in the racial hierarchy? And I wouldn’t want to deny them anything.

But let’s me honest, one of the greatest “utilities” of slave-descendent black folks has been to give other groups something to distinguish themselves from as a means of achieving whiteness or proximity to whiteness. This applies to almost every racial group outside of western and Nordic Europeans (including immigrant blacks). This is just a fact.

I’m opposed to affirmative BTW and most other DEI measures. It’s all pointless…

It seems pointless because you haven’t had to live in a world without it yet. You presume you’re on equal footing in America. No amount of money or education alone in this country will ever put you on equal footing in this country. You or your children will learn that lesson.

Racism in America is insidious at every level.

You should leave. Lots of folks are going back to places in Africa for a host of reasons.

https://www.dw.com/en/back-to-roots-why-african-americans-are-flocking-to-ghana/a-64403580

You wish. This country was built and made wealthy on the whip-torn backs of my ancestors. Despite centuries of subjugation, hatred and systemic racism we are still here, fighting to climb out of the massive pit we were left in. And we will keep fighting, despite the Supreme Court delivering a devastating blow to our progress.

Yes yes yes! All of America’s advancements, inventions, ideas, buildings, and accomplishments are mainly and directly attributed to you and your ancestors. Fight fight fight!

America was able to become the country it is in no small part due to the 246 years of free labor provided by slaves. Or maybe you’re just completely ignorant to the facts of American history?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Private schools put in a lot of effort to get some black kids to make the white parents feel good that they are not racist. Many of these black kids are not coming from wealth, and might even be in a different zip code.

They can just write about the opportunity to go to a private school that their family was lucky to get a scholarship, and the admissions office will get the code.

Lol no. The black students at my kid’s school are all rich af. I guess it’s good that my white FA kid is not growing up with the stereotype that black = poor!

Why would you think that rich black parents aren’t choosing privates, like their rich white counterparts? Or do you just think that rich black parents don’t exist? I assure you that I am behind their BMWs and Mercedes and Teslas all the time.

+1. Yes, whoever wrote that post doesn’t know any wealthy Black people. Most of the Jack & Jill members in my chapter send their children to private school (especially for high school). Many of them (the parents) graduated from private high schools as well. They are not taking any chances with DCPS or public charters.

“Our Kind of People”

Didn’t know Jack and Jill was still around. Too many sellouts in that group

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Private schools put in a lot of effort to get some black kids to make the white parents feel good that they are not racist. Many of these black kids are not coming from wealth, and might even be in a different zip code.

They can just write about the opportunity to go to a private school that their family was lucky to get a scholarship, and the admissions office will get the code.

Lol no. The black students at my kid’s school are all rich af. I guess it’s good that my white FA kid is not growing up with the stereotype that black = poor!

Why would you think that rich black parents aren’t choosing privates, like their rich white counterparts? Or do you just think that rich black parents don’t exist? I assure you that I am behind their BMWs and Mercedes and Teslas all the time.

+1. Yes, whoever wrote that post doesn’t know any wealthy Black people. Most of the Jack & Jill members in my chapter send their children to private school (especially for high school). Many of them (the parents) graduated from private high schools as well. They are not taking any chances with DCPS or public charters.

“Our Kind of People”

Didn’t know Jack and Jill was still around. Too many sellouts in that group

Oh those uppity ups are going strong as always.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Private schools put in a lot of effort to get some black kids to make the white parents feel good that they are not racist. Many of these black kids are not coming from wealth, and might even be in a different zip code.

They can just write about the opportunity to go to a private school that their family was lucky to get a scholarship, and the admissions office will get the code.

Lol no. The black students at my kid’s school are all rich af. I guess it’s good that my white FA kid is not growing up with the stereotype that black = poor!

Why would you think that rich black parents aren’t choosing privates, like their rich white counterparts? Or do you just think that rich black parents don’t exist? I assure you that I am behind their BMWs and Mercedes and Teslas all the time.

+1. Yes, whoever wrote that post doesn’t know any wealthy Black people. Most of the Jack & Jill members in my chapter send their children to private school (especially for high school). Many of them (the parents) graduated from private high schools as well. They are not taking any chances with DCPS or public charters.

“Our Kind of People”

Didn’t know Jack and Jill was still around. Too many sellouts in that group

Sorry to hear that your family wasn’t admitted to Jack and Jill. Try Mocha Mom’s—they take anyone.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Private schools put in a lot of effort to get some black kids to make the white parents feel good that they are not racist. Many of these black kids are not coming from wealth, and might even be in a different zip code.

They can just write about the opportunity to go to a private school that their family was lucky to get a scholarship, and the admissions office will get the code.

Lol no. The black students at my kid’s school are all rich af. I guess it’s good that my white FA kid is not growing up with the stereotype that black = poor!

Why would you think that rich black parents aren’t choosing privates, like their rich white counterparts? Or do you just think that rich black parents don’t exist? I assure you that I am behind their BMWs and Mercedes and Teslas all the time.

+1. Yes, whoever wrote that post doesn’t know any wealthy Black people. Most of the Jack & Jill members in my chapter send their children to private school (especially for high school). Many of them (the parents) graduated from private high schools as well. They are not taking any chances with DCPS or public charters.

“Our Kind of People”

Didn’t know Jack and Jill was still around. Too many sellouts in that group

Oh those uppity ups are going strong as always.

J&J was founded in 1938. It has been around for 85 years, and it will be here 85 years from now. Whether y’all like it or not—lol.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Affirmative Action has helped white women the most. Now, LGBT and immigrants are benefiting the most. Don’t know why we are zeroing in on and asking about AA’s.

As usual, indigenous black people in this country break their backs, do the work, make it possible for others to make a way in this country and get s**t on. All of these groups including Asians have benefitted from our hard fought for gains.

We are the only group that fights for EVERYONE’s rights. All other groups only concern themselves with theirs. When will we learn.

Yes because we are considered the lowest of the low, so one you extend rights to us, how can you deny them to those higher in the racial hierarchy? And I wouldn’t want to deny them anything.

But let’s me honest, one of the greatest “utilities” of slave-descendent black folks has been to give other groups something to distinguish themselves from as a means of achieving whiteness or proximity to whiteness. This applies to almost every racial group outside of western and Nordic Europeans (including immigrant blacks). This is just a fact.

I’m opposed to affirmative BTW and most other DEI measures. It’s all pointless…

It seems pointless because you haven’t had to live in a world without it yet. You presume you’re on equal footing in America. No amount of money or education alone in this country will ever put you on equal footing in this country. You or your children will learn that lesson.

Racism in America is insidious at every level.

You should leave. Lots of folks are going back to places in Africa for a host of reasons.

https://www.dw.com/en/back-to-roots-why-african-americans-are-flocking-to-ghana/a-64403580

You wish. This country was built and made wealthy on the whip-torn backs of my ancestors. Despite centuries of subjugation, hatred and systemic racism we are still here, fighting to climb out of the massive pit we were left in. And we will keep fighting, despite the Supreme Court delivering a devastating blow to our progress.

Yes yes yes! All of America’s advancements, inventions, ideas, buildings, and accomplishments are mainly and directly attributed to you and your ancestors. Fight fight fight!

America was able to become the country it is in no small part due to the 246 years of free labor provided by slaves. Or maybe you’re just completely ignorant to the facts of American history?

R u still fixated on the global African slave trade and former plantation state setups as 100% of US history and accomplishments?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Love to see folks on this forum tearing into each other.

What happened to your inclusive community?

Well, you’re obviously someone who is deeply satisfied with their life and their choices.

As much as anyone on this forum. But at least I’m not a hypocrite.