Rose Hanbury and Prince William

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Anonymous wrote:I think people can't believe anyone in that family isn't not a cheater. I'm sure soon we'll start hearing gossip about Harry's extramarital affairs.

I think the difference with Harry though is that he doesn’t have the resources that Charles and Will as the King and heir have. Like William has tons of money he controls himself through the various duchies. If Kate were to get fed up she doesn’t have any real options. Her parents are broke, she’s not aristocratic so her place in those circles might be dicey, and I feel like the BRF is kinda stingy with the divorce settlements. In contrast, it’s unclear to me that Harry can make money without Meghan and he never had that much to begin with. She seems to be the brains of the operation. So if he cheats and she jumps ship that might be a bad situation for him. But none of these men have great role models.

Sure. Do you really think Charles and William want to ever risk disclosing asset and arguing over their division in court? They'd give her an enormous amount of money.

You are assuming that all of this works the same way it does in the United States. It does not. And it would never get to court (Diana’s whole thing was negotiated out of court). Kate would only be entitled to half of matrimonial assets (as opposed to inheritance etc). So what would that even include? Does not seem that would encompass the bulk of where William’s money comes from. But it’s not like she’s going to be forcing the sale of Kensington Palace (or Adelaide or AH) to get bought out of the marital home or something to that effect.

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The Washington Post had an article on the BRF’s wealth and one of the most bizarre things was that the monarch owns the large sea creatures off the coast of the UK. I had heard about the swans, but they own other wild animals too. And we’ll never know just how many priceless artifacts they have stashed all over their many properties.

Kate’s not getting divorced but if she did, she wouldn’t get a fraction of what she deserves because of how they hide/protect assets.

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Anonymous wrote:I think people can't believe anyone in that family isn't not a cheater. I'm sure soon we'll start hearing gossip about Harry's extramarital affairs.

I think the difference with Harry though is that he doesn’t have the resources that Charles and Will as the King and heir have. Like William has tons of money he controls himself through the various duchies. If Kate were to get fed up she doesn’t have any real options. Her parents are broke, she’s not aristocratic so her place in those circles might be dicey, and I feel like the BRF is kinda stingy with the divorce settlements. In contrast, it’s unclear to me that Harry can make money without Meghan and he never had that much to begin with. She seems to be the brains of the operation. So if he cheats and she jumps ship that might be a bad situation for him. But none of these men have great role models.

Diana got a $26 million divorce settlement all those years ago and she still got to see her boys. Kate will be financially set in the event of any divorce.

Kate would do just fine in a divorce. Diana got this settlement after she spilled the dirt. Imagine how much Kate could negotiate if she agreed to sign a confidentiality agreement. The BRF likely wouldn’t survive yet another scandal and Charles is smart enough to know that.

Meh. But she wouldn’t have any status anymore. She’d just be a “middle class” girl with broke parents and no career. It’s humiliating. Plus how far would the money go when she has to pay for her own security and housing?

Would she? Her son is in line for the throne. If the kids were with her, she’d have security. She would probably even live on the palace property. But I don’t think she’ll ever divorce.

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Anonymous wrote:I think people can't believe anyone in that family isn't not a cheater. I'm sure soon we'll start hearing gossip about Harry's extramarital affairs.

I think the difference with Harry though is that he doesn’t have the resources that Charles and Will as the King and heir have. Like William has tons of money he controls himself through the various duchies. If Kate were to get fed up she doesn’t have any real options. Her parents are broke, she’s not aristocratic so her place in those circles might be dicey, and I feel like the BRF is kinda stingy with the divorce settlements. In contrast, it’s unclear to me that Harry can make money without Meghan and he never had that much to begin with. She seems to be the brains of the operation. So if he cheats and she jumps ship that might be a bad situation for him. But none of these men have great role models.

Diana got a $26 million divorce settlement all those years ago and she still got to see her boys. Kate will be financially set in the event of any divorce.

Kate would do just fine in a divorce. Diana got this settlement after she spilled the dirt. Imagine how much Kate could negotiate if she agreed to sign a confidentiality agreement. The BRF likely wouldn’t survive yet another scandal and Charles is smart enough to know that.

Meh. But she wouldn’t have any status anymore. She’d just be a “middle class” girl with broke parents and no career. It’s humiliating. Plus how far would the money go when she has to pay for her own security and housing?

She’ll live in style on royal property with all the security she wants, in the event of a divorce. She’s the mother of an heir to the throne.

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Anonymous wrote:I think people can't believe anyone in that family isn't not a cheater. I'm sure soon we'll start hearing gossip about Harry's extramarital affairs.

I think the difference with Harry though is that he doesn’t have the resources that Charles and Will as the King and heir have. Like William has tons of money he controls himself through the various duchies. If Kate were to get fed up she doesn’t have any real options. Her parents are broke, she’s not aristocratic so her place in those circles might be dicey, and I feel like the BRF is kinda stingy with the divorce settlements. In contrast, it’s unclear to me that Harry can make money without Meghan and he never had that much to begin with. She seems to be the brains of the operation. So if he cheats and she jumps ship that might be a bad situation for him. But none of these men have great role models.

Diana got a $26 million divorce settlement all those years ago and she still got to see her boys. Kate will be financially set in the event of any divorce.

Kate would do just fine in a divorce. Diana got this settlement after she spilled the dirt. Imagine how much Kate could negotiate if she agreed to sign a confidentiality agreement. The BRF likely wouldn’t survive yet another scandal and Charles is smart enough to know that.

Meh. But she wouldn’t have any status anymore. She’d just be a “middle class” girl with broke parents and no career. It’s humiliating. Plus how far would the money go when she has to pay for her own security and housing?

She’ll live in style on royal property with all the security she wants, in the event of a divorce. She’s the mother of an heir to the throne.

So was Diana.

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Anonymous wrote:I think people can't believe anyone in that family isn't not a cheater. I'm sure soon we'll start hearing gossip about Harry's extramarital affairs.

I think the difference with Harry though is that he doesn’t have the resources that Charles and Will as the King and heir have. Like William has tons of money he controls himself through the various duchies. If Kate were to get fed up she doesn’t have any real options. Her parents are broke, she’s not aristocratic so her place in those circles might be dicey, and I feel like the BRF is kinda stingy with the divorce settlements. In contrast, it’s unclear to me that Harry can make money without Meghan and he never had that much to begin with. She seems to be the brains of the operation. So if he cheats and she jumps ship that might be a bad situation for him. But none of these men have great role models.

Diana got a $26 million divorce settlement all those years ago and she still got to see her boys. Kate will be financially set in the event of any divorce.

Kate would do just fine in a divorce. Diana got this settlement after she spilled the dirt. Imagine how much Kate could negotiate if she agreed to sign a confidentiality agreement. The BRF likely wouldn’t survive yet another scandal and Charles is smart enough to know that.

Meh. But she wouldn’t have any status anymore. She’d just be a “middle class” girl with broke parents and no career. It’s humiliating. Plus how far would the money go when she has to pay for her own security and housing?

The bolded -- it's not just about money. Even if she got a big divorce settlement, and even if she was still allowed to live in a royal home as mother to the heir, she would no longer be the future queen and she would not be a member of the aristocracy.

I'm sure Kate enjoys the money, the jewels, the clothing budget, etc. But I don't think any of it is as important to her as the status. I mean, look at how she chooses to dress with access to custom designer dresses and a massive budget. Of course, she always looks impeccable. But she has no real fun with her clothes -- she wears the same (conservative) silhouettes over and over, often simply wearing the same dresses in different colors or with very minor variations. It's really different than Diana, who simply loved fashion and shopping and just wanted to love what she was wearing. Or Margaret, who was similar. Kate has always followed QEII's lead on this -- conservative, feminine but not fun, uniform, often in bright colors that photograph well. She often has the same chaste dress made in multiple colors. Her discipline with regards to her appearance is admirable and I think she looks great, but it doesn't seem like a joy to her. It's a job. And she LOVES her job. She'll never quit.

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The rose rumor was started by a tweet by someone looking to start a nasty rumor. There’s literally no evidence of this. None. But carry on with the fan fiction

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Anonymous wrote:I think people can't believe anyone in that family isn't not a cheater. I'm sure soon we'll start hearing gossip about Harry's extramarital affairs.

I think the difference with Harry though is that he doesn’t have the resources that Charles and Will as the King and heir have. Like William has tons of money he controls himself through the various duchies. If Kate were to get fed up she doesn’t have any real options. Her parents are broke, she’s not aristocratic so her place in those circles might be dicey, and I feel like the BRF is kinda stingy with the divorce settlements. In contrast, it’s unclear to me that Harry can make money without Meghan and he never had that much to begin with. She seems to be the brains of the operation. So if he cheats and she jumps ship that might be a bad situation for him. But none of these men have great role models.

Diana got a $26 million divorce settlement all those years ago and she still got to see her boys. Kate will be financially set in the event of any divorce.

Kate would do just fine in a divorce. Diana got this settlement after she spilled the dirt. Imagine how much Kate could negotiate if she agreed to sign a confidentiality agreement. The BRF likely wouldn’t survive yet another scandal and Charles is smart enough to know that.

Meh. But she wouldn’t have any status anymore. She’d just be a “middle class” girl with broke parents and no career. It’s humiliating. Plus how far would the money go when she has to pay for her own security and housing?

She’ll live in style on royal property with all the security she wants, in the event of a divorce. She’s the mother of an heir to the throne.

So was Diana.

Who was partying in Paris and dating the son if a billionaire at the time of her death. She wasn't a broke middle class person. And Kate Middleton would be scooped right up by another billionaire.

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Anonymous wrote:I think people can't believe anyone in that family isn't not a cheater. I'm sure soon we'll start hearing gossip about Harry's extramarital affairs.

I think the difference with Harry though is that he doesn’t have the resources that Charles and Will as the King and heir have. Like William has tons of money he controls himself through the various duchies. If Kate were to get fed up she doesn’t have any real options. Her parents are broke, she’s not aristocratic so her place in those circles might be dicey, and I feel like the BRF is kinda stingy with the divorce settlements. In contrast, it’s unclear to me that Harry can make money without Meghan and he never had that much to begin with. She seems to be the brains of the operation. So if he cheats and she jumps ship that might be a bad situation for him. But none of these men have great role models.

Diana got a $26 million divorce settlement all those years ago and she still got to see her boys. Kate will be financially set in the event of any divorce.

Kate would do just fine in a divorce. Diana got this settlement after she spilled the dirt. Imagine how much Kate could negotiate if she agreed to sign a confidentiality agreement. The BRF likely wouldn’t survive yet another scandal and Charles is smart enough to know that.

Meh. But she wouldn’t have any status anymore. She’d just be a “middle class” girl with broke parents and no career. It’s humiliating. Plus how far would the money go when she has to pay for her own security and housing?

The bolded -- it's not just about money. Even if she got a big divorce settlement, and even if she was still allowed to live in a royal home as mother to the heir, she would no longer be the future queen and she would not be a member of the aristocracy.

I'm sure Kate enjoys the money, the jewels, the clothing budget, etc. But I don't think any of it is as important to her as the status. I mean, look at how she chooses to dress with access to custom designer dresses and a massive budget. Of course, she always looks impeccable. But she has no real fun with her clothes -- she wears the same (conservative) silhouettes over and over, often simply wearing the same dresses in different colors or with very minor variations. It's really different than Diana, who simply loved fashion and shopping and just wanted to love what she was wearing. Or Margaret, who was similar. Kate has always followed QEII's lead on this -- conservative, feminine but not fun, uniform, often in bright colors that photograph well. She often has the same chaste dress made in multiple colors. Her discipline with regards to her appearance is admirable and I think she looks great, but it doesn't seem like a joy to her. It's a job. And she LOVES her job. She'll never quit.

Well said, PP. ITA!

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Anonymous wrote:I think people can't believe anyone in that family isn't not a cheater. I'm sure soon we'll start hearing gossip about Harry's extramarital affairs.

I think the difference with Harry though is that he doesn’t have the resources that Charles and Will as the King and heir have. Like William has tons of money he controls himself through the various duchies. If Kate were to get fed up she doesn’t have any real options. Her parents are broke, she’s not aristocratic so her place in those circles might be dicey, and I feel like the BRF is kinda stingy with the divorce settlements. In contrast, it’s unclear to me that Harry can make money without Meghan and he never had that much to begin with. She seems to be the brains of the operation. So if he cheats and she jumps ship that might be a bad situation for him. But none of these men have great role models.

Diana got a $26 million divorce settlement all those years ago and she still got to see her boys. Kate will be financially set in the event of any divorce.

Kate would do just fine in a divorce. Diana got this settlement after she spilled the dirt. Imagine how much Kate could negotiate if she agreed to sign a confidentiality agreement. The BRF likely wouldn’t survive yet another scandal and Charles is smart enough to know that.

Meh. But she wouldn’t have any status anymore. She’d just be a “middle class” girl with broke parents and no career. It’s humiliating. Plus how far would the money go when she has to pay for her own security and housing?

She’ll live in style on royal property with all the security she wants, in the event of a divorce. She’s the mother of an heir to the throne.

So was Diana.

Diana lived in Kensington palace after her divorce.

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I looked up photos of Rose. She’s actually pretty attractive, especially when she smiles. I’m very curious about her husband, though.

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Anonymous wrote:I think people can't believe anyone in that family isn't not a cheater. I'm sure soon we'll start hearing gossip about Harry's extramarital affairs.

I think the difference with Harry though is that he doesn’t have the resources that Charles and Will as the King and heir have. Like William has tons of money he controls himself through the various duchies. If Kate were to get fed up she doesn’t have any real options. Her parents are broke, she’s not aristocratic so her place in those circles might be dicey, and I feel like the BRF is kinda stingy with the divorce settlements. In contrast, it’s unclear to me that Harry can make money without Meghan and he never had that much to begin with. She seems to be the brains of the operation. So if he cheats and she jumps ship that might be a bad situation for him. But none of these men have great role models.

Diana got a $26 million divorce settlement all those years ago and she still got to see her boys. Kate will be financially set in the event of any divorce.

Kate would do just fine in a divorce. Diana got this settlement after she spilled the dirt. Imagine how much Kate could negotiate if she agreed to sign a confidentiality agreement. The BRF likely wouldn’t survive yet another scandal and Charles is smart enough to know that.

Meh. But she wouldn’t have any status anymore. She’d just be a “middle class” girl with broke parents and no career. It’s humiliating. Plus how far would the money go when she has to pay for her own security and housing?

The bolded -- it's not just about money. Even if she got a big divorce settlement, and even if she was still allowed to live in a royal home as mother to the heir, she would no longer be the future queen and she would not be a member of the aristocracy.

I'm sure Kate enjoys the money, the jewels, the clothing budget, etc. But I don't think any of it is as important to her as the status. I mean, look at how she chooses to dress with access to custom designer dresses and a massive budget. Of course, she always looks impeccable. But she has no real fun with her clothes -- she wears the same (conservative) silhouettes over and over, often simply wearing the same dresses in different colors or with very minor variations. It's really different than Diana, who simply loved fashion and shopping and just wanted to love what she was wearing. Or Margaret, who was similar. Kate has always followed QEII's lead on this -- conservative, feminine but not fun, uniform, often in bright colors that photograph well. She often has the same chaste dress made in multiple colors. Her discipline with regards to her appearance is admirable and I think she looks great, but it doesn't seem like a joy to her. It's a job. And she LOVES her job. She'll never quit.

Or maybe she just wants clothes that are easy to wear that make her look good? I wear the same silhouette over and over because I know I look great in it, and knowing that I look great is what’s fun for me.

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Anonymous wrote:While I do think Kate cares about William having an affair, she's not going to do a thing about it. And he and his family know it. This is the woman who chased him and waited for him to get serious with her for years. By all accounts, her only ambition in life was to marry him. She stayed the course and succeeded. She's not going to run to the media, or confront Charles, to leverage anything. That's laughable if you consider for a second who she is and what she's done in her life. She isn't some modern, independent woman. She is literally the commoner who had very little going for herself until she married a prince and is all too happy to life that lifestyle--just like in many of the older Disney movies. That's in large part why William chose her. Kate isn't going anywhere, she will always be discreet and carry on as if William is the most loyal husband ever.

She’s done a lot about it. Threatened divorce? No. But she’s flexed her muscle about the Hanbury situation plenty. It’s just too subtle for most of us Americans to understand.

I’m really interested in this. Can you say more about how she’s flexed her muscle?

+1. Would love to hear about how she allegedly has "done a lot about it." And if it's so subtle, how can you possibly know it ever happened? I know people love to paint her as this strong woman who isn't willing to put up with this, but all of the objectively known facts about her suggest otherwise. It's not meant as a dig against her--there are plenty of women who put up with worse behavior from their significant others without any of the benefits Kate has. I don't think less of her for staying put, but I also don't understand why people are so quick to assert that she's "flexed her muscle" when she's not the one with the power in that relationship and has never demonstrated any sort of backbone when it comes to William or his family. She was all too willing to do whatever it took to be a part of that family--yet we're supposed to believe that NOW she's trying to exert power to stand up for herself? Not buying it.

Dynamics have changed. They need her more than she needs them.

+1. She is the future of the BRF. The Queen recognized this and mentored her.

The Queen took an interest in her only because the Queen recognized how important it was to have a stable, private person in that role, in contrast to what happened with Charles and Diana. Kate is important to the future of BRF because she'll say quiet and play her part to help them avoid a public scandal, not because she is this dynamic, powerful person that can somehow sway the family or save the monarchy.

The Queen took an interest in her because she's a maternal figure, not controversial but able to be a queen to the entire kingdom through her unoffending and accommodating nature. After 7 decades of a queen, especially one who has been a grandmother to the kingdom for the last decades, the Queen saw the value of a maternal figure on the throne, one who could love and be loved by the people.

Except do the people love her?

Kate does an exceptional job at “being Royal”— looking flawless all the time, impeccable manners, etc, but does that inspire the love of the people?

People loved Diana because she looked like a pretty doll who needed love and affection. Why would people love Kate?

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Anonymous wrote:PP - meant to say, I have never seen any indication that Kate would ever go scorched earth against the firm or even threaten going to the media. She’s seemed like a wet blanket since she joined the princess track, IMO

She can go to Charles and get anything she wants in exchange for putting on a happy face. Everyone knows that her going public and divorcing (especially a messy public divorce with a fight over assets and maintenance) is the end of the monarchy.

Yup! People want to believe that William and Kate have the fairy tale life but Kate absolutely worked hard to snag her Prince and will do what she needs to become Queen. I totally respect her for that! But it’s a job more than a romance.

+1, this was a quid pro quo arrangement from the start -- Kate set her sights on William and saw an opportunity because so many of the women in his set were disinterested in the job. She pursued him and molded herself into what she believed William, and the BRF, wanted in a future queen. And she was savvy and good at it (and also well funded by her family) and succeeded.

But it wasn't a love match. Kate didn't just accidentally fall in love with William at college. She was there to snag him. Also, he's pompous and dull and was only moderately handsome in his youth (and now not at all)-- were he not the heir to the throne, he would not have been of interest to her. She was social climbing and her family wanted to marry into the aristocracy. She aimed high and won, knowing the cost.

Kate is very controlled and usually excellent at not letting it show, but I was surprised by how angry and unhappy she looked at the coronation -- such a high profile event, they arrived late, looked unhappy in the carriage, and she seemed irate pretty much the entire time. She has looked happier at other more recent events but, notably, not while standing next to William.

I honestly think she cares more about how the rumors make her look than about the infidelity itself. Her image is here greatest asset and, along with the kids, her biggest leverage within the family.

+1. For someone who cares about image as much as Kate, that coronation was a flat failure. I don’t know what went on, but it didn’t look like she was enjoying herself in the least.

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Anonymous wrote:I think people can't believe anyone in that family isn't not a cheater. I'm sure soon we'll start hearing gossip about Harry's extramarital affairs.

I think the difference with Harry though is that he doesn’t have the resources that Charles and Will as the King and heir have. Like William has tons of money he controls himself through the various duchies. If Kate were to get fed up she doesn’t have any real options. Her parents are broke, she’s not aristocratic so her place in those circles might be dicey, and I feel like the BRF is kinda stingy with the divorce settlements. In contrast, it’s unclear to me that Harry can make money without Meghan and he never had that much to begin with. She seems to be the brains of the operation. So if he cheats and she jumps ship that might be a bad situation for him. But none of these men have great role models.

Diana got a $26 million divorce settlement all those years ago and she still got to see her boys. Kate will be financially set in the event of any divorce.

Kate would do just fine in a divorce. Diana got this settlement after she spilled the dirt. Imagine how much Kate could negotiate if she agreed to sign a confidentiality agreement. The BRF likely wouldn’t survive yet another scandal and Charles is smart enough to know that.

Meh. But she wouldn’t have any status anymore. She’d just be a “middle class” girl with broke parents and no career. It’s humiliating. Plus how far would the money go when she has to pay for her own security and housing?

She’ll live in style on royal property with all the security she wants, in the event of a divorce. She’s the mother of an heir to the throne.

+1. This is what Diana did—lived in a grand apartment in Kensington Palace.