How often do you think applicants lie about their race?

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Anonymous wrote:A friend of my daughter's is claiming to be Hispanic on his application, which technically he can get away with because he is half Cuban, but he does not in any way at all look Hispanic, nor is he culturally Hispanic. It's a MASSIVE stretch.

Half Cuban is Hispanic. It doesn’t matter what you look like! My DC’s friend has one black parent and one white parent. You can visibly tell friend’s siblings are half black. However, friend has golden blond, straight hair and objectively looks white. He is still black- has a black parent and two black grandparents. You do not get to decide what someone’s race is based on their looks.

+1
Mixed race (black/white) person here. Thank you for saying this.

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Anonymous wrote:A friend of my daughter's is claiming to be Hispanic on his application, which technically he can get away with because he is half Cuban, but he does not in any way at all look Hispanic, nor is he culturally Hispanic. It's a MASSIVE stretch.

My children are half-Latino. I a single Caucasian woman and used donor sperm to conceive and the donor is Latino. I've always felt that since my kids aren't culturally Hispanic/Latino, it would be disingenuous to identify them that way on school forms, so I haven't thus far. Am I doing them a disservice by not checking the box as Latino?

Yes. They are legitimately Latino.

No. Latino is not genetic. It is 100% cultural. You can be adopted into a Latino family and identify Latino.

No. If you have Hispanic genes you are unquestionably “of Hispanic origin” even if raised “culturally white”.

A white baby born in Madrid adopted by white Americans is not Hispanic.

Yes it is. If you trace your origin to Spain itself, you are absolutely Hispanic.

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Anonymous wrote:Anyone who lies about their race or anything else on a college application or job application or whatever is giving up way more than they're gaining. Why would anyone give up their integrity for ANY reason, let alone one that will make no difference in their future happiness or success?

Colleges should not discriminate based on race in the first place.
That's evil.

So basically, "I don't like what I perceive someone else to be doing, so I can do whatever I want in response."

That kind of rationale has led to all sorts of evil through the ages.

Whereas “others do evil to me but I do nothing in response” only leads to good outcomes for the victims. 🙄

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Anonymous wrote:Always check black. There's literally nothing they can do. It's not a crime. You can IDENTIFY with whatever you want. An actual crime is if you were to try to scam financial aid.

It's not a crime, but it doesn't have to be for your admission to be rescinded or for you to be kicked out once you're there.

Which students will they kick out?

75% black?
50% black?
25% black?
15% black?
5% black?

Huh? I was commenting on those who lie.

So someone who is 5% black can claim to be black?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Anyone who lies about their race or anything else on a college application or job application or whatever is giving up way more than they're gaining. Why would anyone give up their integrity for ANY reason, let alone one that will make no difference in their future happiness or success?

Colleges should not discriminate based on race in the first place.
That's evil.

So basically, "I don't like what I perceive someone else to be doing, so I can do whatever I want in response."

That kind of rationale has led to all sorts of evil through the ages.

Whereas “others do evil to me but I do nothing in response” only leads to good outcomes for the victims. 🙄

Fair point. What I should have said is that you're wrong about colleges discriminating on the basis of race, if you're defining 'discriminating' as deliberate exclusion. There are no evil plans being executed by admissions offices.

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Anonymous wrote:Always check black. There's literally nothing they can do. It's not a crime. You can IDENTIFY with whatever you want. An actual crime is if you were to try to scam financial aid.

It's not a crime, but it doesn't have to be for your admission to be rescinded or for you to be kicked out once you're there.

Which students will they kick out?

75% black?
50% black?
25% black?
15% black?
5% black?

Huh? I was commenting on those who lie.

So someone who is 5% black can claim to be black?

Yes, if that is how they identify. We do not question it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:What are thoughts about only checking white box for kid who's half Asian/half white, but who has an obviously Asian last name? By appearance, kids looks somehow ethnic but not easily identifiable has half Asian.

I would check White in this case.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Anyone who lies about their race or anything else on a college application or job application or whatever is giving up way more than they're gaining. Why would anyone give up their integrity for ANY reason, let alone one that will make no difference in their future happiness or success?

Colleges should not discriminate based on race in the first place.
That's evil.

So basically, "I don't like what I perceive someone else to be doing, so I can do whatever I want in response."

That kind of rationale has led to all sorts of evil through the ages.

Whereas “others do evil to me but I do nothing in response” only leads to good outcomes for the victims. 🙄

Fair point. What I should have said is that you're wrong about colleges discriminating on the basis of race, if you're defining 'discriminating' as deliberate exclusion. There are no evil plans being executed by admissions offices.

So discrimination is totally fine if it’s the obvious byproduct of a policy?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:A friend of my daughter's is claiming to be Hispanic on his application, which technically he can get away with because he is half Cuban, but he does not in any way at all look Hispanic, nor is he culturally Hispanic. It's a MASSIVE stretch.

Half Cuban is Hispanic. It doesn’t matter what you look like! My DC’s friend has one black parent and one white parent. You can visibly tell friend’s siblings are half black. However, friend has golden blond, straight hair and objectively looks white. He is still black- has a black parent and two black grandparents. You do not get to decide what someone’s race is based on their looks.

+1
Mixed race (black/white) person here. Thank you for saying this.

Brazil does skin color tests to see if people qualify for affirmative action, so in a family, some kids are dark enough to qualify, whereas their brothers and sisters are too pale. This provides a steady supply of business for sellers of tanning machines.

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Anonymous wrote:Anyone who lies about their race or anything else on a college application or job application or whatever is giving up way more than they're gaining. Why would anyone give up their integrity for ANY reason, let alone one that will make no difference in their future happiness or success?

Colleges should not discriminate based on race in the first place.
That's evil.

So basically, "I don't like what I perceive someone else to be doing, so I can do whatever I want in response."

That kind of rationale has led to all sorts of evil through the ages.

Whereas “others do evil to me but I do nothing in response” only leads to good outcomes for the victims. 🙄

Fair point. What I should have said is that you're wrong about colleges discriminating on the basis of race, if you're defining 'discriminating' as deliberate exclusion. There are no evil plans being executed by admissions offices.

So discrimination is totally fine if it’s the obvious byproduct of a policy?

'Discrimination' is used in different ways by different people and in different situations. If you're using the word to mean deliberate exclusion of a group of people by college admissions offices, then you're wrong. To be more specific, fewer people of one race being admitted to a college as a byproduct of another race being given some preference due to horrific mistreatment historically is not a racist policy. It's the natural outcome in a zero-sum game.

It's moot anyway. Not being admitted to any given college isn't doing anyone any harm. The slightly less selective college they get into is just as capable of giving them the education they need.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This forum is way too consumed about race.

lol everything in America now (not just education but politics economics culture etc) is 100% all about race now. It’s exhausting!

you're "exhausted" hearing about race and racism, imagine actually have to be on the receiving end of it for your entire life, and daily in the form of micro-agression. we'd pick having to "hear discussions" any day! you guys are a trip! lol

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This forum is way too consumed about race.

lol everything in America now (not just education but politics economics culture etc) is 100% all about race now. It’s exhausting!

you're "exhausted" hearing about race and racism, imagine actually have to be on the receiving end of it for your entire life, and daily in the form of micro-agression. we'd pick having to "hear discussions" any day! you guys are a trip! lol

I’m not white or East Asian and it is exhausting hearing about race In the us

Is europe more racist than the us - yeah, but honestly I prefer it to the racial discourse in the us

College admissions is more meritocratic, less violence, better food supply and trains

I am ok with the trade off that europe is too racist to ever elect a kid that looks like me as prime minister

In the us, the 24/7 racial discourse is a scam to distract people from the other issues

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Anyone who lies about their race or anything else on a college application or job application or whatever is giving up way more than they're gaining. Why would anyone give up their integrity for ANY reason, let alone one that will make no difference in their future happiness or success?

Colleges should not discriminate based on race in the first place.
That's evil.

So basically, "I don't like what I perceive someone else to be doing, so I can do whatever I want in response."

That kind of rationale has led to all sorts of evil through the ages.

Whereas “others do evil to me but I do nothing in response” only leads to good outcomes for the victims. 🙄

Fair point. What I should have said is that you're wrong about colleges discriminating on the basis of race, if you're defining 'discriminating' as deliberate exclusion. There are no evil plans being executed by admissions offices.

So discrimination is totally fine if it’s the obvious byproduct of a policy?

'Discrimination' is used in different ways by different people and in different situations. If you're using the word to mean deliberate exclusion of a group of people by college admissions offices, then you're wrong. To be more specific, fewer people of one race being admitted to a college as a byproduct of another race being given some preference due to horrific mistreatment historically is not a racist policy. It's the natural outcome in a zero-sum game.

It's moot anyway. Not being admitted to any given college isn't doing anyone any harm. The slightly less selective college they get into is just as capable of giving them the education they need.

THIS ^! At the end of the day, the origins of these preferences are colleges and universities' attempt to redress past policies and laws which created systems of inequality still present today among primarily Black/Brown communities and which lead to underrepresentation in the first place.

The people on this thread see nothing wrong with ignoring/attempting to circumvent/malign and undermine the policies targeting a SPECIFIC group of people so they and their kids can benefit.

The experience of being "underrepresented" is not anything these clearly white passing offsprings will experience if their ruse to "beat the system" is successful!

The most benign example I can think of is the time I saw an able bodied bicyslist on a very expensive bike nearly knock over a wheel-chair bound lady so he could use the curb cut before she got there. The ADA was created for the lady in the wheel-chaired, but the cyclist realized it's great tool for them too! No harm, no foul right? I guess. oh boy!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This forum is way too consumed about race.

lol everything in America now (not just education but politics economics culture etc) is 100% all about race now. It’s exhausting!

you're "exhausted" hearing about race and racism, imagine actually have to be on the receiving end of it for your entire life, and daily in the form of micro-agression. we'd pick having to "hear discussions" any day! you guys are a trip! lol

I’m not white or East Asian and it is exhausting hearing about race In the us

Is europe more racist than the us - yeah, but honestly I prefer it to the racial discourse in the us

College admissions is more meritocratic, less violence, better food supply and trains

I am ok with the trade off that europe is too racist to ever elect a kid that looks like me as prime minister

In the us, the 24/7 racial discourse is a scam to distract people from the other issues

Europe doesn't have the same dialogue because they didn't import Black people, subjegate and enslave them, deny them rights for decades and continue to treat them like crap despite the fact their ancestors built the nation, literally, especially in the South. So Europe will NEVER Compare. The non-dominant race people in Europe have less "claim" and rights as Blacks and indegnous people who were literally slaughtered and forced to live on reservations. The history of racism is baked into the fabric of American soil and for that reason, it will always be an issue here. Also, in Europe, their brand of racism isn't as instiutitonalized and integrated as it is here in America.

Further, I dont' know about you but most people can pay attention to more than one thing at a time.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Always check black. There's literally nothing they can do. It's not a crime. You can IDENTIFY with whatever you want. An actual crime is if you were to try to scam financial aid.

It's not a crime, but it doesn't have to be for your admission to be rescinded or for you to be kicked out once you're there.

Which students will they kick out?

75% black?
50% black?
25% black?
15% black?
5% black?

Huh? I was commenting on those who lie.

So someone who is 5% black can claim to be black?

Yes, if that is how they identify. We do not question it.

If you are 95% black, can you claim to be white?