Private Schools Wokeness Over the Top

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Anonymous wrote:I am genuinely shocked about people referring to a melting pot.

I am OLD and even I remember waaaay back in the 80s talking about how the US isn't a melting pot - that was an antiquated and stupid analogy. Instead, we could think of the US as a salad bowl, where every piece retains it's own unique flavors and comes together as one better whole.

I've also read through most of nine pages and have yet to understand exactly what the OP is worried about or what she considers "woke". I get she doesn't like Kendi. OK, fair enough. Reasonable people can disagree about any specific person or idea. But not sure where the lead comes from there to some larger "wokeness" she's concerned about.

If you're OLD you probably don't have K12 kids right now and have not seen the insane indoctrination going on in many DC schools.

You'd be surprised. Ask OP.

I actually have middle schoolers and high schoolers right now (yup - I was an old first time mom)
And many people have asked for examples, but haven't really gotten much.

OK, here go a few good general articles:

https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/news/articles/the-turn-liel-leibovitz

https://unherd.com/2022/11/anti-racism-attacks-my-american-dream/

https://www.bariweiss.com/resignation-letter

Using Bari Weiss for anything is discredting for any argument on any issue.

Why?

When they have no argument to present, they attack the source, wave their hands and refuse discussion. That's how you know you're getting to them.

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Anonymous wrote:What's "woke"? Believing minorities deserve the same opportunities and protections as whites? Count me in. That people can love who they want and identify as they want without harassment or ridicule or fear? Count me in. That all people can worship the god they believe in without exclusion? Count me in. Or even that women should earn as much as men and have all the same opportunities? Count me in.

Exactly, so when people use the term as a perjorative, then they fall into the hands of the same people who weaponized "defund the police" who it turns out, are the ones actually defunding the police. Two sides of the same coin. Take a term in good faith and turn the tables to make it evil.

Dude, some idiot on the left let the marketing charge with Defund the Police, and Get Woke to the evils of all of history and victims.

Can’t walk that BS back, you own it. So bully all you want, it’s pathetic on your part. bLM nonprofit went off the rails as well. Total money grab and corrupt. Nothing new.

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Anonymous wrote:Here is an example. My children’s private school DEI lead has set up to inclusivity groups. One related to sexual orientation and one to people of color. Which apparently only included black people. The lead staff member is black and said someone who looked like another staff member with white skin and brown eyes wouldn’t be able to join. In the name of inclusivity. My kids were really upset and said it doesn’t make sense. They were in 6th grade. The school also included discussion of gender and sexuality in the context of identity for elementary schools. And our school is moderate.

OP here. Interesting. Thanks PP and good to know. My kids are so young that we haven't been exposed to any of this yet (so my concerns are just general).

I honestly think the people who are initiating this stuff are true believers which is why I think the religion comparison is appropriate. But if you are at a moderate school with enough balance that people can speak freely, speak out. Our DEI person absolutely intended the talk about gender fluid as part of the DEI for elementary school kids until the parents got wind and freaked out. Parents felt that at the age when many kids haven’t even had basic sex ed and when many kids are just hitting puberty, adding this in was too much. The kids need to understand why their bodies are changing and what to expect and what their organs can do. That is what parents want for 5th graders. We didn’t want them literally confused but another layer of information talking about sexuality. It just isn’t necessary at such a young age. With the BIPOC club it was just super interesting to hear my kids say that how is it good for our society to start excluding people again based on race. The kids have learned about MLK and his views and this BIPOC club was directly contrary to that teaching. You can dress it up as a safe space etc but at bottom it is excluding people based on race. And that is racist. I am sure white southerners wanted blacks at the back of the bus so the white at the front could feel safe. Same same.

FYI, gender has nothing to do with sexuality. At all. If you are going to object, at least understand what you are objecting to. Maybe parents who don’t even understand the curriculum aren’t the best people to be second-guessing it. It’s like the popularly-elected Texas School Board deciding what counts as a scientific or historical fact. Unless you just want generation after generation of equally ignorant people without any intellectual advancement or progress at all, poorly-educated people shouldn’t be designing curriculum. I know you think your mom hunches are the gold standard for determining what’s developmentally appropriate at different ages, but there’s actually science on this question. And gender itself is a matter of scientific inquiry. If I asked you what makes a boy a boy, you might tell me a penis. But what about people who are born with both a or is and a vulva? Is that a boy? Or someone who is born with neither? Boy? Girl? You may say it’s a matter of chromosomes, but you’d be wrong there too. Chromosomes frequently don’t “match” genitalia. I hope you’ll take some time to read and learn about this before opining about what kids should learn at what ages. If any one manages to equip them with more basic biological information than you have demonstrated, they will be doing them a favor regardless of the context.

Females have bodies organized around producing large gametes, males have bodies organized around producing small gametes. There are times where chromosomes go awry and some people suffer from disorders of sexual development, but no one human can produce both large and small gametes, and there has never been a third gamete. Telling small children that they might not actually be a boy or a girl is confusing at best, cruel at worst.

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Anonymous wrote:Here is an example. My children’s private school DEI lead has set up to inclusivity groups. One related to sexual orientation and one to people of color. Which apparently only included black people. The lead staff member is black and said someone who looked like another staff member with white skin and brown eyes wouldn’t be able to join. In the name of inclusivity. My kids were really upset and said it doesn’t make sense. They were in 6th grade. The school also included discussion of gender and sexuality in the context of identity for elementary schools. And our school is moderate.

OP here. Interesting. Thanks PP and good to know. My kids are so young that we haven't been exposed to any of this yet (so my concerns are just general).

I honestly think the people who are initiating this stuff are true believers which is why I think the religion comparison is appropriate. But if you are at a moderate school with enough balance that people can speak freely, speak out. Our DEI person absolutely intended the talk about gender fluid as part of the DEI for elementary school kids until the parents got wind and freaked out. Parents felt that at the age when many kids haven’t even had basic sex ed and when many kids are just hitting puberty, adding this in was too much. The kids need to understand why their bodies are changing and what to expect and what their organs can do. That is what parents want for 5th graders. We didn’t want them literally confused but another layer of information talking about sexuality. It just isn’t necessary at such a young age. With the BIPOC club it was just super interesting to hear my kids say that how is it good for our society to start excluding people again based on race. The kids have learned about MLK and his views and this BIPOC club was directly contrary to that teaching. You can dress it up as a safe space etc but at bottom it is excluding people based on race. And that is racist. I am sure white southerners wanted blacks at the back of the bus so the white at the front could feel safe. Same same.

FYI, gender has nothing to do with sexuality. At all. If you are going to object, at least understand what you are objecting to. Maybe parents who don’t even understand the curriculum aren’t the best people to be second-guessing it. It’s like the popularly-elected Texas School Board deciding what counts as a scientific or historical fact. Unless you just want generation after generation of equally ignorant people without any intellectual advancement or progress at all, poorly-educated people shouldn’t be designing curriculum. I know you think your mom hunches are the gold standard for determining what’s developmentally appropriate at different ages, but there’s actually science on this question. And gender itself is a matter of scientific inquiry. If I asked you what makes a boy a boy, you might tell me a penis. But what about people who are born with both a or is and a vulva? Is that a boy? Or someone who is born with neither? Boy? Girl? You may say it’s a matter of chromosomes, but you’d be wrong there too. Chromosomes frequently don’t “match” genitalia. I hope you’ll take some time to read and learn about this before opining about what kids should learn at what ages. If any one manages to equip them with more basic biological information than you have demonstrated, they will be doing them a favor regardless of the context.

So you agree it’s confusing and controversial.

Thus don’t preach about it to pre-pubescent kids. It’s that simple and common sense. Unless you have a bigger agenda….

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Anonymous wrote:Here is an example. My children’s private school DEI lead has set up to inclusivity groups. One related to sexual orientation and one to people of color. Which apparently only included black people. The lead staff member is black and said someone who looked like another staff member with white skin and brown eyes wouldn’t be able to join. In the name of inclusivity. My kids were really upset and said it doesn’t make sense. They were in 6th grade. The school also included discussion of gender and sexuality in the context of identity for elementary schools. And our school is moderate.

OP here. Interesting. Thanks PP and good to know. My kids are so young that we haven't been exposed to any of this yet (so my concerns are just general).

I honestly think the people who are initiating this stuff are true believers which is why I think the religion comparison is appropriate. But if you are at a moderate school with enough balance that people can speak freely, speak out. Our DEI person absolutely intended the talk about gender fluid as part of the DEI for elementary school kids until the parents got wind and freaked out. Parents felt that at the age when many kids haven’t even had basic sex ed and when many kids are just hitting puberty, adding this in was too much. The kids need to understand why their bodies are changing and what to expect and what their organs can do. That is what parents want for 5th graders. We didn’t want them literally confused but another layer of information talking about sexuality. It just isn’t necessary at such a young age. With the BIPOC club it was just super interesting to hear my kids say that how is it good for our society to start excluding people again based on race. The kids have learned about MLK and his views and this BIPOC club was directly contrary to that teaching. You can dress it up as a safe space etc but at bottom it is excluding people based on race. And that is racist. I am sure white southerners wanted blacks at the back of the bus so the white at the front could feel safe. Same same.

FYI, gender has nothing to do with sexuality. At all. If you are going to object, at least understand what you are objecting to. Maybe parents who don’t even understand the curriculum aren’t the best people to be second-guessing it. It’s like the popularly-elected Texas School Board deciding what counts as a scientific or historical fact. Unless you just want generation after generation of equally ignorant people without any intellectual advancement or progress at all, poorly-educated people shouldn’t be designing curriculum. I know you think your mom hunches are the gold standard for determining what’s developmentally appropriate at different ages, but there’s actually science on this question. And gender itself is a matter of scientific inquiry. If I asked you what makes a boy a boy, you might tell me a penis. But what about people who are born with both a or is and a vulva? Is that a boy? Or someone who is born with neither? Boy? Girl? You may say it’s a matter of chromosomes, but you’d be wrong there too. Chromosomes frequently don’t “match” genitalia. I hope you’ll take some time to read and learn about this before opining about what kids should learn at what ages. If any one manages to equip them with more basic biological information than you have demonstrated, they will be doing them a favor regardless of the context.

This is exactly what I’m trying to stay away from. A boy with a vulva? How did this happen to us and so quickly?!

Mayors from my 2nd grader after his teacher read the Jazz Jennings trans book to the class (fyi he’s not doing well nowadays):
Did you know you can be a Boy on the outside and feel like a Girl on the inside?! And have a baby!

Totally over his head and out of context and before the school taught any basic biology or anatomy. Way to go.

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Anonymous wrote:Here is an example. My children’s private school DEI lead has set up to inclusivity groups. One related to sexual orientation and one to people of color. Which apparently only included black people. The lead staff member is black and said someone who looked like another staff member with white skin and brown eyes wouldn’t be able to join. In the name of inclusivity. My kids were really upset and said it doesn’t make sense. They were in 6th grade. The school also included discussion of gender and sexuality in the context of identity for elementary schools. And our school is moderate.

OP here. Interesting. Thanks PP and good to know. My kids are so young that we haven't been exposed to any of this yet (so my concerns are just general).

I honestly think the people who are initiating this stuff are true believers which is why I think the religion comparison is appropriate. But if you are at a moderate school with enough balance that people can speak freely, speak out. Our DEI person absolutely intended the talk about gender fluid as part of the DEI for elementary school kids until the parents got wind and freaked out. Parents felt that at the age when many kids haven’t even had basic sex ed and when many kids are just hitting puberty, adding this in was too much. The kids need to understand why their bodies are changing and what to expect and what their organs can do. That is what parents want for 5th graders. We didn’t want them literally confused but another layer of information talking about sexuality. It just isn’t necessary at such a young age. With the BIPOC club it was just super interesting to hear my kids say that how is it good for our society to start excluding people again based on race. The kids have learned about MLK and his views and this BIPOC club was directly contrary to that teaching. You can dress it up as a safe space etc but at bottom it is excluding people based on race. And that is racist. I am sure white southerners wanted blacks at the back of the bus so the white at the front could feel safe. Same same.

FYI, gender has nothing to do with sexuality. At all. If you are going to object, at least understand what you are objecting to. Maybe parents who don’t even understand the curriculum aren’t the best people to be second-guessing it. It’s like the popularly-elected Texas School Board deciding what counts as a scientific or historical fact. Unless you just want generation after generation of equally ignorant people without any intellectual advancement or progress at all, poorly-educated people shouldn’t be designing curriculum. I know you think your mom hunches are the gold standard for determining what’s developmentally appropriate at different ages, but there’s actually science on this question. And gender itself is a matter of scientific inquiry. If I asked you what makes a boy a boy, you might tell me a penis. But what about people who are born with both a or is and a vulva? Is that a boy? Or someone who is born with neither? Boy? Girl? You may say it’s a matter of chromosomes, but you’d be wrong there too. Chromosomes frequently don’t “match” genitalia. I hope you’ll take some time to read and learn about this before opining about what kids should learn at what ages. If any one manages to equip them with more basic biological information than you have demonstrated, they will be doing them a favor regardless of the context.

This is exactly what I’m trying to stay away from. A boy with a vulva? How did this happen to us and so quickly?!

The dumb, anti-scientific, woke mob, enabled by the self-enriching Democratic Party, made 10 times worse in bubble city DC where 95% folks vote one party and think the other one is Hitler.

This topic died a quick death at the IMF and World Bank lunch halls. Thankfully WIS isn’t taking part.

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Anonymous wrote:Here is an example. My children’s private school DEI lead has set up to inclusivity groups. One related to sexual orientation and one to people of color. Which apparently only included black people. The lead staff member is black and said someone who looked like another staff member with white skin and brown eyes wouldn’t be able to join. In the name of inclusivity. My kids were really upset and said it doesn’t make sense. They were in 6th grade. The school also included discussion of gender and sexuality in the context of identity for elementary schools. And our school is moderate.

OP here. Interesting. Thanks PP and good to know. My kids are so young that we haven't been exposed to any of this yet (so my concerns are just general).

I honestly think the people who are initiating this stuff are true believers which is why I think the religion comparison is appropriate. But if you are at a moderate school with enough balance that people can speak freely, speak out. Our DEI person absolutely intended the talk about gender fluid as part of the DEI for elementary school kids until the parents got wind and freaked out. Parents felt that at the age when many kids haven’t even had basic sex ed and when many kids are just hitting puberty, adding this in was too much. The kids need to understand why their bodies are changing and what to expect and what their organs can do. That is what parents want for 5th graders. We didn’t want them literally confused but another layer of information talking about sexuality. It just isn’t necessary at such a young age. With the BIPOC club it was just super interesting to hear my kids say that how is it good for our society to start excluding people again based on race. The kids have learned about MLK and his views and this BIPOC club was directly contrary to that teaching. You can dress it up as a safe space etc but at bottom it is excluding people based on race. And that is racist. I am sure white southerners wanted blacks at the back of the bus so the white at the front could feel safe. Same same.

FYI, gender has nothing to do with sexuality. At all. If you are going to object, at least understand what you are objecting to. Maybe parents who don’t even understand the curriculum aren’t the best people to be second-guessing it. It’s like the popularly-elected Texas School Board deciding what counts as a scientific or historical fact. Unless you just want generation after generation of equally ignorant people without any intellectual advancement or progress at all, poorly-educated people shouldn’t be designing curriculum. I know you think your mom hunches are the gold standard for determining what’s developmentally appropriate at different ages, but there’s actually science on this question. And gender itself is a matter of scientific inquiry. If I asked you what makes a boy a boy, you might tell me a penis. But what about people who are born with both a or is and a vulva? Is that a boy? Or someone who is born with neither? Boy? Girl? You may say it’s a matter of chromosomes, but you’d be wrong there too. Chromosomes frequently don’t “match” genitalia. I hope you’ll take some time to read and learn about this before opining about what kids should learn at what ages. If any one manages to equip them with more basic biological information than you have demonstrated, they will be doing them a favor regardless of the context.

This is exactly what I’m trying to stay away from. A boy with a vulva? How did this happen to us and so quickly?!

The dumb, anti-scientific, woke mob, enabled by the self-enriching Democratic Party, made 10 times worse in bubble city DC where 95% folks vote one party and think the other one is Hitler.

You guys really need more intellectual curiosity. You need to read more. There have been intersex people since time immemorial. Intersex people have genitalia that include both male and female reproductive organs, and/or otherwise nonbinary genitalia. This has ALWAYS existed to the same degree it does now. Read a book and stop being so entrenched in your ignorance. As for chromosomes, you can start by reading this: https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/the-new-science-of-sex-and-gender/

0.001% of the population needs 10% of my child’s curriculum time? Quite the opportunity cost.

We’re fine with Live and Let Live, but stop the activism and glorifying and mass confusion in the k-8 classrooms in Washington DC.

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Anonymous wrote:OP here. I believe in diversity and equity. The way it is pushed these days is more like a religion where other opinions are not allowed (look at the Hamline University debacle.. I am muslim and every muslim I know thinks what happens is insane). I am a person who is an admirer of Edward Said's book Orientalism as well as the People's History of the United States. I am Arab so am staunchly anti-imperialist. But I think schools have gone overboard. Also there is very little critique of class. I get it - they are private schools. But it is hypocritical to be pushing all of this and ignore the class aspect.

My kids are young - Kindergarten and first grade so they haven't been exposed to a lot of this yet. But I am worried that there is some indoctrination going on.

Harsh question: Why should someone who claims to be “from a foreign background “ and from a religion that hardly represents a common viewpoint in the US expect to “fit in” — or even want to “fit in”? Surely you must realize that it’s the culture and values behind what you deem “wokeness” that has given you and your kids not just the chance of fitting in, but of being accepted at all by schools and universities that, not too long ago, we’re almost exclusively white, male, American, and, in many cases aggressively Christian?

Talk about saying the quiet part out loud. Before it went out of virtue signaling fashion, there was a melting pot theory (and practice). Now, fitting in is passe in favor of naked tribalism, which ultimately thrives no hate.

Tribalism is natural. The melting pot works when the immigrant population is low. Not enough to really form a tribe, so you mix in and assimilate.

The tribalism in the US isn't immigrant v. non-immigrant. It's the regular people vs. the insane MAGAs.

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Anonymous wrote:OP here. I believe in diversity and equity. The way it is pushed these days is more like a religion where other opinions are not allowed (look at the Hamline University debacle.. I am muslim and every muslim I know thinks what happens is insane). I am a person who is an admirer of Edward Said's book Orientalism as well as the People's History of the United States. I am Arab so am staunchly anti-imperialist. But I think schools have gone overboard. Also there is very little critique of class. I get it - they are private schools. But it is hypocritical to be pushing all of this and ignore the class aspect.

My kids are young - Kindergarten and first grade so they haven't been exposed to a lot of this yet. But I am worried that there is some indoctrination going on.

John McWhorter agrees wtih you.

https://www.amazon.com/Woke-Racism-Religion-Betrayed-America/dp/0593423062/ref=nodl_?dplnkId=438a31aa-6c33-429a-963e-63951f5c423d

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Anonymous wrote:Here is an example. My children’s private school DEI lead has set up to inclusivity groups. One related to sexual orientation and one to people of color. Which apparently only included black people. The lead staff member is black and said someone who looked like another staff member with white skin and brown eyes wouldn’t be able to join. In the name of inclusivity. My kids were really upset and said it doesn’t make sense. They were in 6th grade. The school also included discussion of gender and sexuality in the context of identity for elementary schools. And our school is moderate.

OP here. Interesting. Thanks PP and good to know. My kids are so young that we haven't been exposed to any of this yet (so my concerns are just general).

I honestly think the people who are initiating this stuff are true believers which is why I think the religion comparison is appropriate. But if you are at a moderate school with enough balance that people can speak freely, speak out. Our DEI person absolutely intended the talk about gender fluid as part of the DEI for elementary school kids until the parents got wind and freaked out. Parents felt that at the age when many kids haven’t even had basic sex ed and when many kids are just hitting puberty, adding this in was too much. The kids need to understand why their bodies are changing and what to expect and what their organs can do. That is what parents want for 5th graders. We didn’t want them literally confused but another layer of information talking about sexuality. It just isn’t necessary at such a young age. With the BIPOC club it was just super interesting to hear my kids say that how is it good for our society to start excluding people again based on race. The kids have learned about MLK and his views and this BIPOC club was directly contrary to that teaching. You can dress it up as a safe space etc but at bottom it is excluding people based on race. And that is racist. I am sure white southerners wanted blacks at the back of the bus so the white at the front could feel safe. Same same.

FYI, gender has nothing to do with sexuality. At all. If you are going to object, at least understand what you are objecting to. Maybe parents who don’t even understand the curriculum aren’t the best people to be second-guessing it. It’s like the popularly-elected Texas School Board deciding what counts as a scientific or historical fact. Unless you just want generation after generation of equally ignorant people without any intellectual advancement or progress at all, poorly-educated people shouldn’t be designing curriculum. I know you think your mom hunches are the gold standard for determining what’s developmentally appropriate at different ages, but there’s actually science on this question. And gender itself is a matter of scientific inquiry. If I asked you what makes a boy a boy, you might tell me a penis. But what about people who are born with both a or is and a vulva? Is that a boy? Or someone who is born with neither? Boy? Girl? You may say it’s a matter of chromosomes, but you’d be wrong there too. Chromosomes frequently don’t “match” genitalia. I hope you’ll take some time to read and learn about this before opining about what kids should learn at what ages. If any one manages to equip them with more basic biological information than you have demonstrated, they will be doing them a favor regardless of the context.

This is exactly what I’m trying to stay away from. A boy with a vulva? How did this happen to us and so quickly?!

The dumb, anti-scientific, woke mob, enabled by the self-enriching Democratic Party, made 10 times worse in bubble city DC where 95% folks vote one party and think the other one is Hitler.

You guys really need more intellectual curiosity. You need to read more. There have been intersex people since time immemorial. Intersex people have genitalia that include both male and female reproductive organs, and/or otherwise nonbinary genitalia. This has ALWAYS existed to the same degree it does now. Read a book and stop being so entrenched in your ignorance. As for chromosomes, you can start by reading this: https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/the-new-science-of-sex-and-gender/

0.001% of the population needs 10% of my child’s curriculum time? Quite the opportunity cost.

We’re fine with Live and Let Live, but stop the activism and glorifying and mass confusion in the k-8 classrooms in Washington DC.

LIAR

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Anonymous wrote:Here is an example. My children’s private school DEI lead has set up to inclusivity groups. One related to sexual orientation and one to people of color. Which apparently only included black people. The lead staff member is black and said someone who looked like another staff member with white skin and brown eyes wouldn’t be able to join. In the name of inclusivity. My kids were really upset and said it doesn’t make sense. They were in 6th grade. The school also included discussion of gender and sexuality in the context of identity for elementary schools. And our school is moderate.

OP here. Interesting. Thanks PP and good to know. My kids are so young that we haven't been exposed to any of this yet (so my concerns are just general).

I honestly think the people who are initiating this stuff are true believers which is why I think the religion comparison is appropriate. But if you are at a moderate school with enough balance that people can speak freely, speak out. Our DEI person absolutely intended the talk about gender fluid as part of the DEI for elementary school kids until the parents got wind and freaked out. Parents felt that at the age when many kids haven’t even had basic sex ed and when many kids are just hitting puberty, adding this in was too much. The kids need to understand why their bodies are changing and what to expect and what their organs can do. That is what parents want for 5th graders. We didn’t want them literally confused but another layer of information talking about sexuality. It just isn’t necessary at such a young age. With the BIPOC club it was just super interesting to hear my kids say that how is it good for our society to start excluding people again based on race. The kids have learned about MLK and his views and this BIPOC club was directly contrary to that teaching. You can dress it up as a safe space etc but at bottom it is excluding people based on race. And that is racist. I am sure white southerners wanted blacks at the back of the bus so the white at the front could feel safe. Same same.

FYI, gender has nothing to do with sexuality. At all. If you are going to object, at least understand what you are objecting to. Maybe parents who don’t even understand the curriculum aren’t the best people to be second-guessing it. It’s like the popularly-elected Texas School Board deciding what counts as a scientific or historical fact. Unless you just want generation after generation of equally ignorant people without any intellectual advancement or progress at all, poorly-educated people shouldn’t be designing curriculum. I know you think your mom hunches are the gold standard for determining what’s developmentally appropriate at different ages, but there’s actually science on this question. And gender itself is a matter of scientific inquiry. If I asked you what makes a boy a boy, you might tell me a penis. But what about people who are born with both a or is and a vulva? Is that a boy? Or someone who is born with neither? Boy? Girl? You may say it’s a matter of chromosomes, but you’d be wrong there too. Chromosomes frequently don’t “match” genitalia. I hope you’ll take some time to read and learn about this before opining about what kids should learn at what ages. If any one manages to equip them with more basic biological information than you have demonstrated, they will be doing them a favor regardless of the context.

See you are a true believer. You declare that gender and sexuality are distinct. I agree. A man can be gay or straight or bi but he is still biologically a man. His sexuality is variable. At most mainstream private schools you won’t get any pushback on that concept at all. You may get pushback about teaching about sexuality at all (straight or gay) to young children. But when you start saying that men (gender) can have a vulva, you lost about 80 percent of the population. You may not agree with my assessment but I hang in some pretty liberal circles and the notion they gender can be chosen is not mainstream and while I want all people to feel like they can be and do what they want, I don’t want my 9 year old told that your belief is fact. It isn’t fact. It’s your belief— no different than man was created on the 7th day.

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Anonymous wrote:What's "woke"? Believing minorities deserve the same opportunities and protections as whites? Count me in. That people can love who they want and identify as they want without harassment or ridicule or fear? Count me in. That all people can worship the god they believe in without exclusion? Count me in. Or even that women should earn as much as men and have all the same opportunities? Count me in.

47 genders?

What does it matter to any of us the choices another individual makes about themself? Is it just uncomfortable to us, so they should adapt and be uncomfortable? Thus we just pick the "woke" issues we agree with and ridicule the issues?

Mental illness is what it is.

When things are divorced from reality it does matter.

Especially when the nonsense is forced onto others as the only truth. It's Orwellian, and how every totalitarian regime started, left or right.

Absolutely! We are living in mad times. The only "truth" that matters is one's personal belief unless of course the woke mob deem that truth contrary to its rhetoric. It's a very sad time for children and teens indeed.

Who, or what, is this "woke mob"?

I think the better question is whether the woke mob is in the room with her now.

What are they saying in her head?

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Anonymous wrote:Here is an example. My children’s private school DEI lead has set up to inclusivity groups. One related to sexual orientation and one to people of color. Which apparently only included black people. The lead staff member is black and said someone who looked like another staff member with white skin and brown eyes wouldn’t be able to join. In the name of inclusivity. My kids were really upset and said it doesn’t make sense. They were in 6th grade. The school also included discussion of gender and sexuality in the context of identity for elementary schools. And our school is moderate.

OP here. Interesting. Thanks PP and good to know. My kids are so young that we haven't been exposed to any of this yet (so my concerns are just general).

I honestly think the people who are initiating this stuff are true believers which is why I think the religion comparison is appropriate. But if you are at a moderate school with enough balance that people can speak freely, speak out. Our DEI person absolutely intended the talk about gender fluid as part of the DEI for elementary school kids until the parents got wind and freaked out. Parents felt that at the age when many kids haven’t even had basic sex ed and when many kids are just hitting puberty, adding this in was too much. The kids need to understand why their bodies are changing and what to expect and what their organs can do. That is what parents want for 5th graders. We didn’t want them literally confused but another layer of information talking about sexuality. It just isn’t necessary at such a young age. With the BIPOC club it was just super interesting to hear my kids say that how is it good for our society to start excluding people again based on race. The kids have learned about MLK and his views and this BIPOC club was directly contrary to that teaching. You can dress it up as a safe space etc but at bottom it is excluding people based on race. And that is racist. I am sure white southerners wanted blacks at the back of the bus so the white at the front could feel safe. Same same.

FYI, gender has nothing to do with sexuality. At all. If you are going to object, at least understand what you are objecting to. Maybe parents who don’t even understand the curriculum aren’t the best people to be second-guessing it. It’s like the popularly-elected Texas School Board deciding what counts as a scientific or historical fact. Unless you just want generation after generation of equally ignorant people without any intellectual advancement or progress at all, poorly-educated people shouldn’t be designing curriculum. I know you think your mom hunches are the gold standard for determining what’s developmentally appropriate at different ages, but there’s actually science on this question. And gender itself is a matter of scientific inquiry. If I asked you what makes a boy a boy, you might tell me a penis. But what about people who are born with both a or is and a vulva? Is that a boy? Or someone who is born with neither? Boy? Girl? You may say it’s a matter of chromosomes, but you’d be wrong there too. Chromosomes frequently don’t “match” genitalia. I hope you’ll take some time to read and learn about this before opining about what kids should learn at what ages. If any one manages to equip them with more basic biological information than you have demonstrated, they will be doing them a favor regardless of the context.

See you are a true believer. You declare that gender and sexuality are distinct. I agree. A man can be gay or straight or bi but he is still biologically a man. His sexuality is variable. At most mainstream private schools you won’t get any pushback on that concept at all. You may get pushback about teaching about sexuality at all (straight or gay) to young children. But when you start saying that men (gender) can have a vulva, you lost about 80 percent of the population. You may not agree with my assessment but I hang in some pretty liberal circles and the notion they gender can be chosen is not mainstream and while I want all people to feel like they can be and do what they want, I don’t want my 9 year old told that your belief is fact. It isn’t fact. It’s your belief— no different than man was created on the 7th day.

Actually, humans were created on day 6. On the seventh day, God rested. But you do you.

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Anonymous wrote:Here is an example. My children’s private school DEI lead has set up to inclusivity groups. One related to sexual orientation and one to people of color. Which apparently only included black people. The lead staff member is black and said someone who looked like another staff member with white skin and brown eyes wouldn’t be able to join. In the name of inclusivity. My kids were really upset and said it doesn’t make sense. They were in 6th grade. The school also included discussion of gender and sexuality in the context of identity for elementary schools. And our school is moderate.

OP here. Interesting. Thanks PP and good to know. My kids are so young that we haven't been exposed to any of this yet (so my concerns are just general).

I honestly think the people who are initiating this stuff are true believers which is why I think the religion comparison is appropriate. But if you are at a moderate school with enough balance that people can speak freely, speak out. Our DEI person absolutely intended the talk about gender fluid as part of the DEI for elementary school kids until the parents got wind and freaked out. Parents felt that at the age when many kids haven’t even had basic sex ed and when many kids are just hitting puberty, adding this in was too much. The kids need to understand why their bodies are changing and what to expect and what their organs can do. That is what parents want for 5th graders. We didn’t want them literally confused but another layer of information talking about sexuality. It just isn’t necessary at such a young age. With the BIPOC club it was just super interesting to hear my kids say that how is it good for our society to start excluding people again based on race. The kids have learned about MLK and his views and this BIPOC club was directly contrary to that teaching. You can dress it up as a safe space etc but at bottom it is excluding people based on race. And that is racist. I am sure white southerners wanted blacks at the back of the bus so the white at the front could feel safe. Same same.

FYI, gender has nothing to do with sexuality. At all. If you are going to object, at least understand what you are objecting to. Maybe parents who don’t even understand the curriculum aren’t the best people to be second-guessing it. It’s like the popularly-elected Texas School Board deciding what counts as a scientific or historical fact. Unless you just want generation after generation of equally ignorant people without any intellectual advancement or progress at all, poorly-educated people shouldn’t be designing curriculum. I know you think your mom hunches are the gold standard for determining what’s developmentally appropriate at different ages, but there’s actually science on this question. And gender itself is a matter of scientific inquiry. If I asked you what makes a boy a boy, you might tell me a penis. But what about people who are born with both a or is and a vulva? Is that a boy? Or someone who is born with neither? Boy? Girl? You may say it’s a matter of chromosomes, but you’d be wrong there too. Chromosomes frequently don’t “match” genitalia. I hope you’ll take some time to read and learn about this before opining about what kids should learn at what ages. If any one manages to equip them with more basic biological information than you have demonstrated, they will be doing them a favor regardless of the context.

This is exactly what I’m trying to stay away from. A boy with a vulva? How did this happen to us and so quickly?!

The dumb, anti-scientific, woke mob, enabled by the self-enriching Democratic Party, made 10 times worse in bubble city DC where 95% folks vote one party and think the other one is Hitler.

This topic died a quick death at the IMF and World Bank lunch halls. Thankfully WIS isn’t taking part.

OP here. I stepped away from this thread for a bit. Do you mean Washington International School and do you mind elaborating? We are considering applying.

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Anonymous wrote:Here is an example. My children’s private school DEI lead has set up to inclusivity groups. One related to sexual orientation and one to people of color. Which apparently only included black people. The lead staff member is black and said someone who looked like another staff member with white skin and brown eyes wouldn’t be able to join. In the name of inclusivity. My kids were really upset and said it doesn’t make sense. They were in 6th grade. The school also included discussion of gender and sexuality in the context of identity for elementary schools. And our school is moderate.

OP here. Interesting. Thanks PP and good to know. My kids are so young that we haven't been exposed to any of this yet (so my concerns are just general).

I honestly think the people who are initiating this stuff are true believers which is why I think the religion comparison is appropriate. But if you are at a moderate school with enough balance that people can speak freely, speak out. Our DEI person absolutely intended the talk about gender fluid as part of the DEI for elementary school kids until the parents got wind and freaked out. Parents felt that at the age when many kids haven’t even had basic sex ed and when many kids are just hitting puberty, adding this in was too much. The kids need to understand why their bodies are changing and what to expect and what their organs can do. That is what parents want for 5th graders. We didn’t want them literally confused but another layer of information talking about sexuality. It just isn’t necessary at such a young age. With the BIPOC club it was just super interesting to hear my kids say that how is it good for our society to start excluding people again based on race. The kids have learned about MLK and his views and this BIPOC club was directly contrary to that teaching. You can dress it up as a safe space etc but at bottom it is excluding people based on race. And that is racist. I am sure white southerners wanted blacks at the back of the bus so the white at the front could feel safe. Same same.

FYI, gender has nothing to do with sexuality. At all. If you are going to object, at least understand what you are objecting to. Maybe parents who don’t even understand the curriculum aren’t the best people to be second-guessing it. It’s like the popularly-elected Texas School Board deciding what counts as a scientific or historical fact. Unless you just want generation after generation of equally ignorant people without any intellectual advancement or progress at all, poorly-educated people shouldn’t be designing curriculum. I know you think your mom hunches are the gold standard for determining what’s developmentally appropriate at different ages, but there’s actually science on this question. And gender itself is a matter of scientific inquiry. If I asked you what makes a boy a boy, you might tell me a penis. But what about people who are born with both a or is and a vulva? Is that a boy? Or someone who is born with neither? Boy? Girl? You may say it’s a matter of chromosomes, but you’d be wrong there too. Chromosomes frequently don’t “match” genitalia. I hope you’ll take some time to read and learn about this before opining about what kids should learn at what ages. If any one manages to equip them with more basic biological information than you have demonstrated, they will be doing them a favor regardless of the context.

They don't want facts, they don't want science. The whole gig is predicated on ignorant people being fed to the wolves.