Rant about Deal and their religious field trip

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Anonymous wrote:Hard pass. Ask to see if there is an in-school option. Having had family members forcibly veiled (even though not mandated by the Quran) I cannot condone forcing children to veil during school (state actor). Adults make their own choices in a democratic society. Children should not be forced. It is always disappointing when Western feminists fail their ideals. Being Liberal does not mean supporting illiberal ideals or holding of the patriarchy.

Also disappointing that you failed to notice the school has made no such official requirement.

It’s in the original post. But I get it you see Islam as primitive and WOC as being less than and less deserving of rights. Consider reading more Islamic feminists when not trolling DCUM.

And it was disproven in subsequent posts. Try reading the thread before you comment. Is this the depth of understanding you usually bring to your “reading?”

It was actually not disproven - in fact a woman wrote about being required by the mosque to wear a head covering. That is a common practice in misjads. Again, if families want to do make their daughters wear a headscarf- that’s on their conscience. But this is a school trip - during school hours. The school should provide an in-school option for parents who want to opt out of this misogynistic practice and/or demonstrate political consciousness and solidarity with the women and girls in Iran.

Please read this post one more time when you are not so heated and angry. No, this won’t weigh on the conscience of most people, who will see this as an opportunity to learn about a different culture. No, most people will not worry about the “misogynistic practice” because they will appreciate that there are American Muslims who choose to wear a head covering because they want to, not because they have to.

I’m fascinated by this distorted “tolerance.” We are called to support others. Is another woman’s head covering here in the US really such an affront to you? If so, that’s unfortunate.

NP. I don’t think anyone on this thread has a problem with women CHOOSING to wear a headscarf. We have a problem with a public school forcing that choice on girls to participate in a school field trip.

Do you really not see the difference?

No, to be honest, I don’t. I would want my daughter to show respect to those whose house she enters. It’s the right thing to do.

It seems as if students can CHOOSE to wear a scarf on this trip. So what, exactly, is the problem?

The choice is wear a scarf, or skip the trip. Public schools aren't allowed to impose discriminatory dress codes, even on optional events.

The school isn't imposing a dress code -- you will lose this fight. And I agree you are being disrespectful to Muslims.

Groups I am not required to be respectful and tolerant of: nazis, white nationalists, muslims, catholics and other oppressive religious regimes that control and subjugate women, insurrectionists and similar. If you abuse and subjugate women or other groups you don't get my respect or civility. Your defense is an age old defense of the indefensible.

Not sure it's reasonable to say all Muslims control and subjugate women. And surely some Jews do the same. Do you object to the trip to the synagogue, too?

The base of the religion (like many others) absolutely seeks to subjugate and control women. Not all Nazis want to kill all jews and blacks. Some just want them kept in their place. Are you suggesting I can't condemn people who go to their meetings, give them money and support them?

P.S. Love your childish "whataboutism". Do you wanna go blow for blow and compare clitectomies to pedophile priests to the horrors wrought by all religions. Jews too, since you seem to think I think that's any different; no women rabbis for the orthodox and no problem with teen brides in that community.

I hear you, but no one is forcing those views onto women (or at least not in this country). They choose to participate and believe what they believe. I think your view of religion is very narrow. You can't go on hating the majority of the world. And I'm not even part of any religion but can recognize that there are a lot of good things that come out of it too.

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I’m the Catholic woman who posted above. The PP was almost entirely wrong in his/her portrait of me. I actually suspect this poster would rather like me if we met in real life. Claims that I shouldn’t be respected or tolerated would dissolve immediately with the realization I am not a monster.

I suspect both of the recent responses are the same anti-everyone poster. Living with that much hate must be exhausting. Angry PP, I would write that I hope you find peace, but would that come off as rude even if I am sincere?

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Anonymous wrote:Hard pass. Ask to see if there is an in-school option. Having had family members forcibly veiled (even though not mandated by the Quran) I cannot condone forcing children to veil during school (state actor). Adults make their own choices in a democratic society. Children should not be forced. It is always disappointing when Western feminists fail their ideals. Being Liberal does not mean supporting illiberal ideals or holding of the patriarchy.

Also disappointing that you failed to notice the school has made no such official requirement.

It’s in the original post. But I get it you see Islam as primitive and WOC as being less than and less deserving of rights. Consider reading more Islamic feminists when not trolling DCUM.

And it was disproven in subsequent posts. Try reading the thread before you comment. Is this the depth of understanding you usually bring to your “reading?”

It was actually not disproven - in fact a woman wrote about being required by the mosque to wear a head covering. That is a common practice in misjads. Again, if families want to do make their daughters wear a headscarf- that’s on their conscience. But this is a school trip - during school hours. The school should provide an in-school option for parents who want to opt out of this misogynistic practice and/or demonstrate political consciousness and solidarity with the women and girls in Iran.

Please read this post one more time when you are not so heated and angry. No, this won’t weigh on the conscience of most people, who will see this as an opportunity to learn about a different culture. No, most people will not worry about the “misogynistic practice” because they will appreciate that there are American Muslims who choose to wear a head covering because they want to, not because they have to.

I’m fascinated by this distorted “tolerance.” We are called to support others. Is another woman’s head covering here in the US really such an affront to you? If so, that’s unfortunate.

NP. I don’t think anyone on this thread has a problem with women CHOOSING to wear a headscarf. We have a problem with a public school forcing that choice on girls to participate in a school field trip.

Do you really not see the difference?

No, to be honest, I don’t. I would want my daughter to show respect to those whose house she enters. It’s the right thing to do.

It seems as if students can CHOOSE to wear a scarf on this trip. So what, exactly, is the problem?

The choice is wear a scarf, or skip the trip. Public schools aren't allowed to impose discriminatory dress codes, even on optional events.

The school isn't imposing a dress code -- you will lose this fight. And I agree you are being disrespectful to Muslims.

Groups I am not required to be respectful and tolerant of: nazis, white nationalists, muslims, catholics and other oppressive religious regimes that control and subjugate women, insurrectionists and similar. If you abuse and subjugate women or other groups you don't get my respect or civility. Your defense is an age old defense of the indefensible.

Not sure it's reasonable to say all Muslims control and subjugate women. And surely some Jews do the same. Do you object to the trip to the synagogue, too?

The base of the religion (like many others) absolutely seeks to subjugate and control women. Not all Nazis want to kill all jews and blacks. Some just want them kept in their place. Are you suggesting I can't condemn people who go to their meetings, give them money and support them?

P.S. Love your childish "whataboutism". Do you wanna go blow for blow and compare clitectomies to pedophile priests to the horrors wrought by all religions. Jews too, since you seem to think I think that's any different; no women rabbis for the orthodox and no problem with teen brides in that community.

It's not "whataboutism" -- the field trip is visiting a mosque, a synagogue, and a church. I strongly suspect none of the specific local institutions this field trip is visiting support clitorectomies, teenage brides, or pedophilia, however.

You're welcome to condemn whoever you want, but if you're going to blame every person who practices every religion for the worst practices of any of their co-religionists, I'm going to have a hard time taking your argument particularly seriously.

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Anonymous wrote:I’ll tell you this much, OP: all this does is teach your kid to hate. Not good.

OP here. Honest question. Why does it teach my kids to hate?

Your unwillingness even to tolerate a dress code so that your kid can learn about a mosque strictly as an academic subject sends a message of intolerance, inflexibility, and hate.

Her kid can learn about the academic subject in class. I hope you stretched before that massive reach you just made.

Not a massive reach. She’s basically saying she refuses to let her kid enter a mosque. It’s hate, pure and simple.

OP here. Nah, I don't hate muslims, catholics, jews, buddhists, mormons, scientologists, or any other person following any religion. And I wouldn't dare visiting a temple of any denomination and not follow their rules. That's why I have no interest in visiting any religious site. What I don't like is a public school "forcing" religious rules on my kids. And if you don't think the school is forcing them, I'd argue that the school is in a position of power. You might argue they might opt out but kids that age usually want to do whatever the other kids their age do.

You’re controlling your daughter. The irony.

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pp I meant to add that I’m an atheist.

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Anonymous wrote:Hard pass. Ask to see if there is an in-school option. Having had family members forcibly veiled (even though not mandated by the Quran) I cannot condone forcing children to veil during school (state actor). Adults make their own choices in a democratic society. Children should not be forced. It is always disappointing when Western feminists fail their ideals. Being Liberal does not mean supporting illiberal ideals or holding of the patriarchy.

Also disappointing that you failed to notice the school has made no such official requirement.

It’s in the original post. But I get it you see Islam as primitive and WOC as being less than and less deserving of rights. Consider reading more Islamic feminists when not trolling DCUM.

And it was disproven in subsequent posts. Try reading the thread before you comment. Is this the depth of understanding you usually bring to your “reading?”

It was actually not disproven - in fact a woman wrote about being required by the mosque to wear a head covering. That is a common practice in misjads. Again, if families want to do make their daughters wear a headscarf- that’s on their conscience. But this is a school trip - during school hours. The school should provide an in-school option for parents who want to opt out of this misogynistic practice and/or demonstrate political consciousness and solidarity with the women and girls in Iran.

Please read this post one more time when you are not so heated and angry. No, this won’t weigh on the conscience of most people, who will see this as an opportunity to learn about a different culture. No, most people will not worry about the “misogynistic practice” because they will appreciate that there are American Muslims who choose to wear a head covering because they want to, not because they have to.

I’m fascinated by this distorted “tolerance.” We are called to support others. Is another woman’s head covering here in the US really such an affront to you? If so, that’s unfortunate.

NP. I don’t think anyone on this thread has a problem with women CHOOSING to wear a headscarf. We have a problem with a public school forcing that choice on girls to participate in a school field trip.

Do you really not see the difference?

No, to be honest, I don’t. I would want my daughter to show respect to those whose house she enters. It’s the right thing to do.

It seems as if students can CHOOSE to wear a scarf on this trip. So what, exactly, is the problem?

The choice is wear a scarf, or skip the trip. Public schools aren't allowed to impose discriminatory dress codes, even on optional events.

The school isn't imposing a dress code -- you will lose this fight. And I agree you are being disrespectful to Muslims.

Groups I am not required to be respectful and tolerant of: nazis, white nationalists, muslims, catholics and other oppressive religious regimes that control and subjugate women, insurrectionists and similar. If you abuse and subjugate women or other groups you don't get my respect or civility. Your defense is an age old defense of the indefensible.

Not sure it's reasonable to say all Muslims control and subjugate women. And surely some Jews do the same. Do you object to the trip to the synagogue, too?

The base of the religion (like many others) absolutely seeks to subjugate and control women. Not all Nazis want to kill all jews and blacks. Some just want them kept in their place. Are you suggesting I can't condemn people who go to their meetings, give them money and support them?

P.S. Love your childish "whataboutism". Do you wanna go blow for blow and compare clitectomies to pedophile priests to the horrors wrought by all religions. Jews too, since you seem to think I think that's any different; no women rabbis for the orthodox and no problem with teen brides in that community.

Since you appear to be so concerned about the treatment of women, I have a question for you: I’m a woman who finds comfort in the Catholic Church. My faith has gotten me through some very, very hard times in my life. I actually find that faith and participation in a faith-based community lifts me up. I’m a stronger woman because of it. It’s my choice to participate. Nobody, parents included, encouraged this.

Does your feminism extend to granting me my choice? Does your feminism extend to granting a Muslim woman the choice to wear a head covering? I think you see where I’m going here.

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Anonymous wrote:Hard pass. Ask to see if there is an in-school option. Having had family members forcibly veiled (even though not mandated by the Quran) I cannot condone forcing children to veil during school (state actor). Adults make their own choices in a democratic society. Children should not be forced. It is always disappointing when Western feminists fail their ideals. Being Liberal does not mean supporting illiberal ideals or holding of the patriarchy.

Also disappointing that you failed to notice the school has made no such official requirement.

It’s in the original post. But I get it you see Islam as primitive and WOC as being less than and less deserving of rights. Consider reading more Islamic feminists when not trolling DCUM.

And it was disproven in subsequent posts. Try reading the thread before you comment. Is this the depth of understanding you usually bring to your “reading?”

It was actually not disproven - in fact a woman wrote about being required by the mosque to wear a head covering. That is a common practice in misjads. Again, if families want to do make their daughters wear a headscarf- that’s on their conscience. But this is a school trip - during school hours. The school should provide an in-school option for parents who want to opt out of this misogynistic practice and/or demonstrate political consciousness and solidarity with the women and girls in Iran.

Please read this post one more time when you are not so heated and angry. No, this won’t weigh on the conscience of most people, who will see this as an opportunity to learn about a different culture. No, most people will not worry about the “misogynistic practice” because they will appreciate that there are American Muslims who choose to wear a head covering because they want to, not because they have to.

I’m fascinated by this distorted “tolerance.” We are called to support others. Is another woman’s head covering here in the US really such an affront to you? If so, that’s unfortunate.

NP. I don’t think anyone on this thread has a problem with women CHOOSING to wear a headscarf. We have a problem with a public school forcing that choice on girls to participate in a school field trip.

Do you really not see the difference?

No, to be honest, I don’t. I would want my daughter to show respect to those whose house she enters. It’s the right thing to do.

It seems as if students can CHOOSE to wear a scarf on this trip. So what, exactly, is the problem?

The choice is wear a scarf, or skip the trip. Public schools aren't allowed to impose discriminatory dress codes, even on optional events.

The school isn't imposing a dress code -- you will lose this fight. And I agree you are being disrespectful to Muslims.

Groups I am not required to be respectful and tolerant of: nazis, white nationalists, muslims, catholics and other oppressive religious regimes that control and subjugate women, insurrectionists and similar. If you abuse and subjugate women or other groups you don't get my respect or civility. Your defense is an age old defense of the indefensible.

Not sure it's reasonable to say all Muslims control and subjugate women. And surely some Jews do the same. Do you object to the trip to the synagogue, too?

The base of the religion (like many others) absolutely seeks to subjugate and control women. Not all Nazis want to kill all jews and blacks. Some just want them kept in their place. Are you suggesting I can't condemn people who go to their meetings, give them money and support them?

P.S. Love your childish "whataboutism". Do you wanna go blow for blow and compare clitectomies to pedophile priests to the horrors wrought by all religions. Jews too, since you seem to think I think that's any different; no women rabbis for the orthodox and no problem with teen brides in that community.

Since you appear to be so concerned about the treatment of women, I have a question for you: I’m a woman who finds comfort in the Catholic Church. My faith has gotten me through some very, very hard times in my life. I actually find that faith and participation in a faith-based community lifts me up. I’m a stronger woman because of it. It’s my choice to participate. Nobody, parents included, encouraged this.

Does your feminism extend to granting me my choice? Does your feminism extend to granting a Muslim woman the choice to wear a head covering? I think you see where I’m going here.

Ate you pro choice? I respect your religious choices as long as you don't try to impose it on anyone else like my daughters.

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Anonymous wrote:Hard pass. Ask to see if there is an in-school option. Having had family members forcibly veiled (even though not mandated by the Quran) I cannot condone forcing children to veil during school (state actor). Adults make their own choices in a democratic society. Children should not be forced. It is always disappointing when Western feminists fail their ideals. Being Liberal does not mean supporting illiberal ideals or holding of the patriarchy.

Also disappointing that you failed to notice the school has made no such official requirement.

It’s in the original post. But I get it you see Islam as primitive and WOC as being less than and less deserving of rights. Consider reading more Islamic feminists when not trolling DCUM.

And it was disproven in subsequent posts. Try reading the thread before you comment. Is this the depth of understanding you usually bring to your “reading?”

It was actually not disproven - in fact a woman wrote about being required by the mosque to wear a head covering. That is a common practice in misjads. Again, if families want to do make their daughters wear a headscarf- that’s on their conscience. But this is a school trip - during school hours. The school should provide an in-school option for parents who want to opt out of this misogynistic practice and/or demonstrate political consciousness and solidarity with the women and girls in Iran.

Please read this post one more time when you are not so heated and angry. No, this won’t weigh on the conscience of most people, who will see this as an opportunity to learn about a different culture. No, most people will not worry about the “misogynistic practice” because they will appreciate that there are American Muslims who choose to wear a head covering because they want to, not because they have to.

I’m fascinated by this distorted “tolerance.” We are called to support others. Is another woman’s head covering here in the US really such an affront to you? If so, that’s unfortunate.

NP. I don’t think anyone on this thread has a problem with women CHOOSING to wear a headscarf. We have a problem with a public school forcing that choice on girls to participate in a school field trip.

Do you really not see the difference?

No, to be honest, I don’t. I would want my daughter to show respect to those whose house she enters. It’s the right thing to do.

It seems as if students can CHOOSE to wear a scarf on this trip. So what, exactly, is the problem?

The choice is wear a scarf, or skip the trip. Public schools aren't allowed to impose discriminatory dress codes, even on optional events.

The school isn't imposing a dress code -- you will lose this fight. And I agree you are being disrespectful to Muslims.

Groups I am not required to be respectful and tolerant of: nazis, white nationalists, muslims, catholics and other oppressive religious regimes that control and subjugate women, insurrectionists and similar. If you abuse and subjugate women or other groups you don't get my respect or civility. Your defense is an age old defense of the indefensible.

Not sure it's reasonable to say all Muslims control and subjugate women. And surely some Jews do the same. Do you object to the trip to the synagogue, too?

The base of the religion (like many others) absolutely seeks to subjugate and control women. Not all Nazis want to kill all jews and blacks. Some just want them kept in their place. Are you suggesting I can't condemn people who go to their meetings, give them money and support them?

P.S. Love your childish "whataboutism". Do you wanna go blow for blow and compare clitectomies to pedophile priests to the horrors wrought by all religions. Jews too, since you seem to think I think that's any different; no women rabbis for the orthodox and no problem with teen brides in that community.

Since you appear to be so concerned about the treatment of women, I have a question for you: I’m a woman who finds comfort in the Catholic Church. My faith has gotten me through some very, very hard times in my life. I actually find that faith and participation in a faith-based community lifts me up. I’m a stronger woman because of it. It’s my choice to participate. Nobody, parents included, encouraged this.

Does your feminism extend to granting me my choice? Does your feminism extend to granting a Muslim woman the choice to wear a head covering? I think you see where I’m going here.

Ate you pro choice? I respect your religious choices as long as you don't try to impose it on anyone else like my daughters.

I vote pro-choice for that very reason, but I will not personally have one.

According to Pew Research, over half of American Catholics believe abortion should be legal in all or most cases.

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Anonymous wrote:Hard pass. Ask to see if there is an in-school option. Having had family members forcibly veiled (even though not mandated by the Quran) I cannot condone forcing children to veil during school (state actor). Adults make their own choices in a democratic society. Children should not be forced. It is always disappointing when Western feminists fail their ideals. Being Liberal does not mean supporting illiberal ideals or holding of the patriarchy.

Also disappointing that you failed to notice the school has made no such official requirement.

It’s in the original post. But I get it you see Islam as primitive and WOC as being less than and less deserving of rights. Consider reading more Islamic feminists when not trolling DCUM.

And it was disproven in subsequent posts. Try reading the thread before you comment. Is this the depth of understanding you usually bring to your “reading?”

It was actually not disproven - in fact a woman wrote about being required by the mosque to wear a head covering. That is a common practice in misjads. Again, if families want to do make their daughters wear a headscarf- that’s on their conscience. But this is a school trip - during school hours. The school should provide an in-school option for parents who want to opt out of this misogynistic practice and/or demonstrate political consciousness and solidarity with the women and girls in Iran.

Please read this post one more time when you are not so heated and angry. No, this won’t weigh on the conscience of most people, who will see this as an opportunity to learn about a different culture. No, most people will not worry about the “misogynistic practice” because they will appreciate that there are American Muslims who choose to wear a head covering because they want to, not because they have to.

I’m fascinated by this distorted “tolerance.” We are called to support others. Is another woman’s head covering here in the US really such an affront to you? If so, that’s unfortunate.

NP. I don’t think anyone on this thread has a problem with women CHOOSING to wear a headscarf. We have a problem with a public school forcing that choice on girls to participate in a school field trip.

Do you really not see the difference?

No, to be honest, I don’t. I would want my daughter to show respect to those whose house she enters. It’s the right thing to do.

It seems as if students can CHOOSE to wear a scarf on this trip. So what, exactly, is the problem?

The choice is wear a scarf, or skip the trip. Public schools aren't allowed to impose discriminatory dress codes, even on optional events.

The school isn't imposing a dress code -- you will lose this fight. And I agree you are being disrespectful to Muslims.

Groups I am not required to be respectful and tolerant of: nazis, white nationalists, muslims, catholics and other oppressive religious regimes that control and subjugate women, insurrectionists and similar. If you abuse and subjugate women or other groups you don't get my respect or civility. Your defense is an age old defense of the indefensible.

Not sure it's reasonable to say all Muslims control and subjugate women. And surely some Jews do the same. Do you object to the trip to the synagogue, too?

The base of the religion (like many others) absolutely seeks to subjugate and control women. Not all Nazis want to kill all jews and blacks. Some just want them kept in their place. Are you suggesting I can't condemn people who go to their meetings, give them money and support them?

P.S. Love your childish "whataboutism". Do you wanna go blow for blow and compare clitectomies to pedophile priests to the horrors wrought by all religions. Jews too, since you seem to think I think that's any different; no women rabbis for the orthodox and no problem with teen brides in that community.

Since you appear to be so concerned about the treatment of women, I have a question for you: I’m a woman who finds comfort in the Catholic Church. My faith has gotten me through some very, very hard times in my life. I actually find that faith and participation in a faith-based community lifts me up. I’m a stronger woman because of it. It’s my choice to participate. Nobody, parents included, encouraged this.

Does your feminism extend to granting me my choice? Does your feminism extend to granting a Muslim woman the choice to wear a head covering? I think you see where I’m going here.

Cults are successful because they make people feel welcomed and give them a sense of community. I'm glad your cult works for you.

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Anonymous wrote:Hard pass. Ask to see if there is an in-school option. Having had family members forcibly veiled (even though not mandated by the Quran) I cannot condone forcing children to veil during school (state actor). Adults make their own choices in a democratic society. Children should not be forced. It is always disappointing when Western feminists fail their ideals. Being Liberal does not mean supporting illiberal ideals or holding of the patriarchy.

Also disappointing that you failed to notice the school has made no such official requirement.

It’s in the original post. But I get it you see Islam as primitive and WOC as being less than and less deserving of rights. Consider reading more Islamic feminists when not trolling DCUM.

And it was disproven in subsequent posts. Try reading the thread before you comment. Is this the depth of understanding you usually bring to your “reading?”

It was actually not disproven - in fact a woman wrote about being required by the mosque to wear a head covering. That is a common practice in misjads. Again, if families want to do make their daughters wear a headscarf- that’s on their conscience. But this is a school trip - during school hours. The school should provide an in-school option for parents who want to opt out of this misogynistic practice and/or demonstrate political consciousness and solidarity with the women and girls in Iran.

Please read this post one more time when you are not so heated and angry. No, this won’t weigh on the conscience of most people, who will see this as an opportunity to learn about a different culture. No, most people will not worry about the “misogynistic practice” because they will appreciate that there are American Muslims who choose to wear a head covering because they want to, not because they have to.

I’m fascinated by this distorted “tolerance.” We are called to support others. Is another woman’s head covering here in the US really such an affront to you? If so, that’s unfortunate.

NP. I don’t think anyone on this thread has a problem with women CHOOSING to wear a headscarf. We have a problem with a public school forcing that choice on girls to participate in a school field trip.

Do you really not see the difference?

No, to be honest, I don’t. I would want my daughter to show respect to those whose house she enters. It’s the right thing to do.

It seems as if students can CHOOSE to wear a scarf on this trip. So what, exactly, is the problem?

The choice is wear a scarf, or skip the trip. Public schools aren't allowed to impose discriminatory dress codes, even on optional events.

The school isn't imposing a dress code -- you will lose this fight. And I agree you are being disrespectful to Muslims.

Groups I am not required to be respectful and tolerant of: nazis, white nationalists, muslims, catholics and other oppressive religious regimes that control and subjugate women, insurrectionists and similar. If you abuse and subjugate women or other groups you don't get my respect or civility. Your defense is an age old defense of the indefensible.

Not sure it's reasonable to say all Muslims control and subjugate women. And surely some Jews do the same. Do you object to the trip to the synagogue, too?

The base of the religion (like many others) absolutely seeks to subjugate and control women. Not all Nazis want to kill all jews and blacks. Some just want them kept in their place. Are you suggesting I can't condemn people who go to their meetings, give them money and support them?

P.S. Love your childish "whataboutism". Do you wanna go blow for blow and compare clitectomies to pedophile priests to the horrors wrought by all religions. Jews too, since you seem to think I think that's any different; no women rabbis for the orthodox and no problem with teen brides in that community.

Since you appear to be so concerned about the treatment of women, I have a question for you: I’m a woman who finds comfort in the Catholic Church. My faith has gotten me through some very, very hard times in my life. I actually find that faith and participation in a faith-based community lifts me up. I’m a stronger woman because of it. It’s my choice to participate. Nobody, parents included, encouraged this.

Does your feminism extend to granting me my choice? Does your feminism extend to granting a Muslim woman the choice to wear a head covering? I think you see where I’m going here.

Ate you pro choice? I respect your religious choices as long as you don't try to impose it on anyone else like my daughters.

I vote pro-choice for that very reason, but I will not personally have one.

According to Pew Research, over half of American Catholics believe abortion should be legal in all or most cases.

The money you give to that church pays for anti-abortion legislation and politicians. So, on behalf of those of us that are actually pro-choice, you and the church you support that make abortion illegal for millions of women can take your duplicity and go to that place you believe exists after death.

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Anonymous wrote:Hard pass. Ask to see if there is an in-school option. Having had family members forcibly veiled (even though not mandated by the Quran) I cannot condone forcing children to veil during school (state actor). Adults make their own choices in a democratic society. Children should not be forced. It is always disappointing when Western feminists fail their ideals. Being Liberal does not mean supporting illiberal ideals or holding of the patriarchy.

Also disappointing that you failed to notice the school has made no such official requirement.

It’s in the original post. But I get it you see Islam as primitive and WOC as being less than and less deserving of rights. Consider reading more Islamic feminists when not trolling DCUM.

And it was disproven in subsequent posts. Try reading the thread before you comment. Is this the depth of understanding you usually bring to your “reading?”

It was actually not disproven - in fact a woman wrote about being required by the mosque to wear a head covering. That is a common practice in misjads. Again, if families want to do make their daughters wear a headscarf- that’s on their conscience. But this is a school trip - during school hours. The school should provide an in-school option for parents who want to opt out of this misogynistic practice and/or demonstrate political consciousness and solidarity with the women and girls in Iran.

Please read this post one more time when you are not so heated and angry. No, this won’t weigh on the conscience of most people, who will see this as an opportunity to learn about a different culture. No, most people will not worry about the “misogynistic practice” because they will appreciate that there are American Muslims who choose to wear a head covering because they want to, not because they have to.

I’m fascinated by this distorted “tolerance.” We are called to support others. Is another woman’s head covering here in the US really such an affront to you? If so, that’s unfortunate.

NP. I don’t think anyone on this thread has a problem with women CHOOSING to wear a headscarf. We have a problem with a public school forcing that choice on girls to participate in a school field trip.

Do you really not see the difference?

No, to be honest, I don’t. I would want my daughter to show respect to those whose house she enters. It’s the right thing to do.

It seems as if students can CHOOSE to wear a scarf on this trip. So what, exactly, is the problem?

The choice is wear a scarf, or skip the trip. Public schools aren't allowed to impose discriminatory dress codes, even on optional events.

The school isn't imposing a dress code -- you will lose this fight. And I agree you are being disrespectful to Muslims.

Groups I am not required to be respectful and tolerant of: nazis, white nationalists, muslims, catholics and other oppressive religious regimes that control and subjugate women, insurrectionists and similar. If you abuse and subjugate women or other groups you don't get my respect or civility. Your defense is an age old defense of the indefensible.

Not sure it's reasonable to say all Muslims control and subjugate women. And surely some Jews do the same. Do you object to the trip to the synagogue, too?

The base of the religion (like many others) absolutely seeks to subjugate and control women. Not all Nazis want to kill all jews and blacks. Some just want them kept in their place. Are you suggesting I can't condemn people who go to their meetings, give them money and support them?

P.S. Love your childish "whataboutism". Do you wanna go blow for blow and compare clitectomies to pedophile priests to the horrors wrought by all religions. Jews too, since you seem to think I think that's any different; no women rabbis for the orthodox and no problem with teen brides in that community.

Since you appear to be so concerned about the treatment of women, I have a question for you: I’m a woman who finds comfort in the Catholic Church. My faith has gotten me through some very, very hard times in my life. I actually find that faith and participation in a faith-based community lifts me up. I’m a stronger woman because of it. It’s my choice to participate. Nobody, parents included, encouraged this.

Does your feminism extend to granting me my choice? Does your feminism extend to granting a Muslim woman the choice to wear a head covering? I think you see where I’m going here.

Ate you pro choice? I respect your religious choices as long as you don't try to impose it on anyone else like my daughters.

I vote pro-choice for that very reason, but I will not personally have one.

According to Pew Research, over half of American Catholics believe abortion should be legal in all or most cases.

The money you give to that church pays for anti-abortion legislation and politicians. So, on behalf of those of us that are actually pro-choice, you and the church you support that make abortion illegal for millions of women can take your duplicity and go to that place you believe exists after death.

Stop the hating. Thank you.

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I would tell my daughter that all religion is sh**ty to women. Do you want to go on these field trips and cover your head? As an atheist kids need to experience the crappiness of religion so they know what they’re rejecting.

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Anonymous wrote:Hard pass. Ask to see if there is an in-school option. Having had family members forcibly veiled (even though not mandated by the Quran) I cannot condone forcing children to veil during school (state actor). Adults make their own choices in a democratic society. Children should not be forced. It is always disappointing when Western feminists fail their ideals. Being Liberal does not mean supporting illiberal ideals or holding of the patriarchy.

Also disappointing that you failed to notice the school has made no such official requirement.

It’s in the original post. But I get it you see Islam as primitive and WOC as being less than and less deserving of rights. Consider reading more Islamic feminists when not trolling DCUM.

And it was disproven in subsequent posts. Try reading the thread before you comment. Is this the depth of understanding you usually bring to your “reading?”

It was actually not disproven - in fact a woman wrote about being required by the mosque to wear a head covering. That is a common practice in misjads. Again, if families want to do make their daughters wear a headscarf- that’s on their conscience. But this is a school trip - during school hours. The school should provide an in-school option for parents who want to opt out of this misogynistic practice and/or demonstrate political consciousness and solidarity with the women and girls in Iran.

Please read this post one more time when you are not so heated and angry. No, this won’t weigh on the conscience of most people, who will see this as an opportunity to learn about a different culture. No, most people will not worry about the “misogynistic practice” because they will appreciate that there are American Muslims who choose to wear a head covering because they want to, not because they have to.

I’m fascinated by this distorted “tolerance.” We are called to support others. Is another woman’s head covering here in the US really such an affront to you? If so, that’s unfortunate.

NP. I don’t think anyone on this thread has a problem with women CHOOSING to wear a headscarf. We have a problem with a public school forcing that choice on girls to participate in a school field trip.

Do you really not see the difference?

No, to be honest, I don’t. I would want my daughter to show respect to those whose house she enters. It’s the right thing to do.

It seems as if students can CHOOSE to wear a scarf on this trip. So what, exactly, is the problem?

The choice is wear a scarf, or skip the trip. Public schools aren't allowed to impose discriminatory dress codes, even on optional events.

The school isn't imposing a dress code -- you will lose this fight. And I agree you are being disrespectful to Muslims.

Groups I am not required to be respectful and tolerant of: nazis, white nationalists, muslims, catholics and other oppressive religious regimes that control and subjugate women, insurrectionists and similar. If you abuse and subjugate women or other groups you don't get my respect or civility. Your defense is an age old defense of the indefensible.

Not sure it's reasonable to say all Muslims control and subjugate women. And surely some Jews do the same. Do you object to the trip to the synagogue, too?

The base of the religion (like many others) absolutely seeks to subjugate and control women. Not all Nazis want to kill all jews and blacks. Some just want them kept in their place. Are you suggesting I can't condemn people who go to their meetings, give them money and support them?

P.S. Love your childish "whataboutism". Do you wanna go blow for blow and compare clitectomies to pedophile priests to the horrors wrought by all religions. Jews too, since you seem to think I think that's any different; no women rabbis for the orthodox and no problem with teen brides in that community.

Since you appear to be so concerned about the treatment of women, I have a question for you: I’m a woman who finds comfort in the Catholic Church. My faith has gotten me through some very, very hard times in my life. I actually find that faith and participation in a faith-based community lifts me up. I’m a stronger woman because of it. It’s my choice to participate. Nobody, parents included, encouraged this.

Does your feminism extend to granting me my choice? Does your feminism extend to granting a Muslim woman the choice to wear a head covering? I think you see where I’m going here.

Ate you pro choice? I respect your religious choices as long as you don't try to impose it on anyone else like my daughters.

I vote pro-choice for that very reason, but I will not personally have one.

According to Pew Research, over half of American Catholics believe abortion should be legal in all or most cases.

The money you give to that church pays for anti-abortion legislation and politicians. So, on behalf of those of us that are actually pro-choice, you and the church you support that make abortion illegal for millions of women can take your duplicity and go to that place you believe exists after death.

I appreciate you are trying to insult me. You're welcome to, of course, but I generally don't get angry or resentful. Life's too short.

My tax dollars go to plenty of things I don't support. I'm sure you don't support everything your tax dollars buy, either. I suspect your way of combatting that is voting for candidates whose values align with yours, correct? As I've already stated, my values are that people should have choice... even if those choices don't align with my own beliefs.

As for my money that goes to the Catholic Church, it also supports our local and national charities. I work directly with them, so I clearly see the $$ my parish puts into helping our local community. My pocketbook and my personal hours are going to continue helping others.

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Anonymous wrote:I would tell my daughter that all religion is sh**ty to women. Do you want to go on these field trips and cover your head? As an atheist kids need to experience the crappiness of religion so they know what they’re rejecting.

This is clearly a troll.

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This thread is ridiculous

The hatred is awful

The ignorance as well.

OP you are clearly a horrible parent get some parenting help.

Teaching your children your hatred is not good parenting.

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Anonymous wrote:Hard pass. Ask to see if there is an in-school option. Having had family members forcibly veiled (even though not mandated by the Quran) I cannot condone forcing children to veil during school (state actor). Adults make their own choices in a democratic society. Children should not be forced. It is always disappointing when Western feminists fail their ideals. Being Liberal does not mean supporting illiberal ideals or holding of the patriarchy.

Also disappointing that you failed to notice the school has made no such official requirement.

It’s in the original post. But I get it you see Islam as primitive and WOC as being less than and less deserving of rights. Consider reading more Islamic feminists when not trolling DCUM.

And it was disproven in subsequent posts. Try reading the thread before you comment. Is this the depth of understanding you usually bring to your “reading?”

It was actually not disproven - in fact a woman wrote about being required by the mosque to wear a head covering. That is a common practice in misjads. Again, if families want to do make their daughters wear a headscarf- that’s on their conscience. But this is a school trip - during school hours. The school should provide an in-school option for parents who want to opt out of this misogynistic practice and/or demonstrate political consciousness and solidarity with the women and girls in Iran.

Please read this post one more time when you are not so heated and angry. No, this won’t weigh on the conscience of most people, who will see this as an opportunity to learn about a different culture. No, most people will not worry about the “misogynistic practice” because they will appreciate that there are American Muslims who choose to wear a head covering because they want to, not because they have to.

I’m fascinated by this distorted “tolerance.” We are called to support others. Is another woman’s head covering here in the US really such an affront to you? If so, that’s unfortunate.

NP. I don’t think anyone on this thread has a problem with women CHOOSING to wear a headscarf. We have a problem with a public school forcing that choice on girls to participate in a school field trip.

Do you really not see the difference?

No, to be honest, I don’t. I would want my daughter to show respect to those whose house she enters. It’s the right thing to do.

It seems as if students can CHOOSE to wear a scarf on this trip. So what, exactly, is the problem?

The choice is wear a scarf, or skip the trip. Public schools aren't allowed to impose discriminatory dress codes, even on optional events.

The school isn't imposing a dress code -- you will lose this fight. And I agree you are being disrespectful to Muslims.

Groups I am not required to be respectful and tolerant of: nazis, white nationalists, muslims, catholics and other oppressive religious regimes that control and subjugate women, insurrectionists and similar. If you abuse and subjugate women or other groups you don't get my respect or civility. Your defense is an age old defense of the indefensible.

Not sure it's reasonable to say all Muslims control and subjugate women. And surely some Jews do the same. Do you object to the trip to the synagogue, too?

The base of the religion (like many others) absolutely seeks to subjugate and control women. Not all Nazis want to kill all jews and blacks. Some just want them kept in their place. Are you suggesting I can't condemn people who go to their meetings, give them money and support them?

P.S. Love your childish "whataboutism". Do you wanna go blow for blow and compare clitectomies to pedophile priests to the horrors wrought by all religions. Jews too, since you seem to think I think that's any different; no women rabbis for the orthodox and no problem with teen brides in that community.

Since you appear to be so concerned about the treatment of women, I have a question for you: I’m a woman who finds comfort in the Catholic Church. My faith has gotten me through some very, very hard times in my life. I actually find that faith and participation in a faith-based community lifts me up. I’m a stronger woman because of it. It’s my choice to participate. Nobody, parents included, encouraged this.

Does your feminism extend to granting me my choice? Does your feminism extend to granting a Muslim woman the choice to wear a head covering? I think you see where I’m going here.

Ate you pro choice? I respect your religious choices as long as you don't try to impose it on anyone else like my daughters.

I vote pro-choice for that very reason, but I will not personally have one.

According to Pew Research, over half of American Catholics believe abortion should be legal in all or most cases.

The money you give to that church pays for anti-abortion legislation and politicians. So, on behalf of those of us that are actually pro-choice, you and the church you support that make abortion illegal for millions of women can take your duplicity and go to that place you believe exists after death.

I appreciate you are trying to insult me. You're welcome to, of course, but I generally don't get angry or resentful. Life's too short.

My tax dollars go to plenty of things I don't support. I'm sure you don't support everything your tax dollars buy, either. I suspect your way of combatting that is voting for candidates whose values align with yours, correct? As I've already stated, my values are that people should have choice... even if those choices don't align with my own beliefs.

As for my money that goes to the Catholic Church, it also supports our local and national charities. I work directly with them, so I clearly see the $$ my parish puts into helping our local community. My pocketbook and my personal hours are going to continue helping others.

+1. If it weren’t for Catholic Charities DC would be an absolute disaster. Nothing is black and white.