Rant about Deal and their religious field trip

[Anonymous]

FFS

There is no requirement imposed by the school for any student, male or female, to cover their head. The dress requirement - long pants and long sleeves - is for all students.

If you don’t want your child to go on this trip, then opt out. People opt out of field trips all the time for various reasons. Go for it.

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Anonymous wrote:OP, if it is the fact that only girls are asked to wear the scarf why not bring it up to your school and say that boys could wear them as well? In India (majority Hindus), non Muslim men wear a handkerchief on top of their head like a covering and go to the mosque as a sign of a respect. It is not required but some people do out of respect. The girls just pull their shawl (dupatta) over their heads

It’s not a fact.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m female and have traveled to the Middle East. I guess I didn’t realize young girls had to cover their heads.

Someone educate me if I am wrong, I think its only after puberty they have to wear the head scarf.

First, the Quaran does not mandate the hijab. Commentaries suggest women after puberty should be veiled. But the Quaran also suggests the a girl could attain puberty and be ready for marriage at 9, so in practice young girls are forced to veil.

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Anonymous wrote:Hard pass. Ask to see if there is an in-school option. Having had family members forcibly veiled (even though not mandated by the Quran) I cannot condone forcing children to veil during school (state actor). Adults make their own choices in a democratic society. Children should not be forced. It is always disappointing when Western feminists fail their ideals. Being Liberal does not mean supporting illiberal ideals or holding of the patriarchy.

Also disappointing that you failed to notice the school has made no such official requirement.

It’s in the original post. But I get it you see Islam as primitive and WOC as being less than and less deserving of rights. Consider reading more Islamic feminists when not trolling DCUM.

And it was disproven in subsequent posts. Try reading the thread before you comment. Is this the depth of understanding you usually bring to your “reading?”

It was actually not disproven - in fact a woman wrote about being required by the mosque to wear a head covering. That is a common practice in misjads. Again, if families want to do make their daughters wear a headscarf- that’s on their conscience. But this is a school trip - during school hours. The school should provide an in-school option for parents who want to opt out of this misogynistic practice and/or demonstrate political consciousness and solidarity with the women and girls in Iran.

Please read this post one more time when you are not so heated and angry. No, this won’t weigh on the conscience of most people, who will see this as an opportunity to learn about a different culture. No, most people will not worry about the “misogynistic practice” because they will appreciate that there are American Muslims who choose to wear a head covering because they want to, not because they have to.

I’m fascinated by this distorted “tolerance.” We are called to support others. Is another woman’s head covering here in the US really such an affront to you? If so, that’s unfortunate.

NP. I don’t think anyone on this thread has a problem with women CHOOSING to wear a headscarf. We have a problem with a public school forcing that choice on girls to participate in a school field trip.

Do you really not see the difference?

No, to be honest, I don’t. I would want my daughter to show respect to those whose house she enters. It’s the right thing to do.

It seems as if students can CHOOSE to wear a scarf on this trip. So what, exactly, is the problem?

The choice is wear a scarf, or skip the trip. Public schools aren't allowed to impose discriminatory dress codes, even on optional events.

The school isn't imposing a dress code -- you will lose this fight. And I agree you are being disrespectful to Muslims.

Groups I am not required to be respectful and tolerant of: nazis, white nationalists, muslims, catholics and other oppressive religious regimes that control and subjugate women, insurrectionists and similar. If you abuse and subjugate women or other groups you don't get my respect or civility. Your defense is an age old defense of the indefensible.

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Anonymous wrote:Hard pass. Ask to see if there is an in-school option. Having had family members forcibly veiled (even though not mandated by the Quran) I cannot condone forcing children to veil during school (state actor). Adults make their own choices in a democratic society. Children should not be forced. It is always disappointing when Western feminists fail their ideals. Being Liberal does not mean supporting illiberal ideals or holding of the patriarchy.

Also disappointing that you failed to notice the school has made no such official requirement.

It’s in the original post. But I get it you see Islam as primitive and WOC as being less than and less deserving of rights. Consider reading more Islamic feminists when not trolling DCUM.

And it was disproven in subsequent posts. Try reading the thread before you comment. Is this the depth of understanding you usually bring to your “reading?”

It was actually not disproven - in fact a woman wrote about being required by the mosque to wear a head covering. That is a common practice in misjads. Again, if families want to do make their daughters wear a headscarf- that’s on their conscience. But this is a school trip - during school hours. The school should provide an in-school option for parents who want to opt out of this misogynistic practice and/or demonstrate political consciousness and solidarity with the women and girls in Iran.

Please read this post one more time when you are not so heated and angry. No, this won’t weigh on the conscience of most people, who will see this as an opportunity to learn about a different culture. No, most people will not worry about the “misogynistic practice” because they will appreciate that there are American Muslims who choose to wear a head covering because they want to, not because they have to.

I’m fascinated by this distorted “tolerance.” We are called to support others. Is another woman’s head covering here in the US really such an affront to you? If so, that’s unfortunate.

NP. I don’t think anyone on this thread has a problem with women CHOOSING to wear a headscarf. We have a problem with a public school forcing that choice on girls to participate in a school field trip.

Do you really not see the difference?

No, to be honest, I don’t. I would want my daughter to show respect to those whose house she enters. It’s the right thing to do.

It seems as if students can CHOOSE to wear a scarf on this trip. So what, exactly, is the problem?

The choice is wear a scarf, or skip the trip. Public schools aren't allowed to impose discriminatory dress codes, even on optional events.

The school isn't imposing a dress code -- you will lose this fight. And I agree you are being disrespectful to Muslims.

Groups I am not required to be respectful and tolerant of: nazis, white nationalists, muslims, catholics and other oppressive religious regimes that control and subjugate women, insurrectionists and similar. If you abuse and subjugate women or other groups you don't get my respect or civility. Your defense is an age old defense of the indefensible.

This is such an interesting response. The field trip in question provides students with the opportunity to learn about people different than themselves. Perhaps you would benefit from this opportunity.

I’m a Catholic woman. You say you won’t respect or tolerate me because of my beliefs. Do you know what they are? Have you spoken to me? My neighbor is Muslim. I *have* spoken to him and have great respect for him and his family. Sometimes the unknown is something to fear. Our world is a better place when we put our judgments and misconceptions aside.

(Also… Nazis? Do you live near any? Such an interesting, trollish list…)

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Anonymous wrote:Hard pass. Ask to see if there is an in-school option. Having had family members forcibly veiled (even though not mandated by the Quran) I cannot condone forcing children to veil during school (state actor). Adults make their own choices in a democratic society. Children should not be forced. It is always disappointing when Western feminists fail their ideals. Being Liberal does not mean supporting illiberal ideals or holding of the patriarchy.

Also disappointing that you failed to notice the school has made no such official requirement.

It’s in the original post. But I get it you see Islam as primitive and WOC as being less than and less deserving of rights. Consider reading more Islamic feminists when not trolling DCUM.

And it was disproven in subsequent posts. Try reading the thread before you comment. Is this the depth of understanding you usually bring to your “reading?”

It was actually not disproven - in fact a woman wrote about being required by the mosque to wear a head covering. That is a common practice in misjads. Again, if families want to do make their daughters wear a headscarf- that’s on their conscience. But this is a school trip - during school hours. The school should provide an in-school option for parents who want to opt out of this misogynistic practice and/or demonstrate political consciousness and solidarity with the women and girls in Iran.

Please read this post one more time when you are not so heated and angry. No, this won’t weigh on the conscience of most people, who will see this as an opportunity to learn about a different culture. No, most people will not worry about the “misogynistic practice” because they will appreciate that there are American Muslims who choose to wear a head covering because they want to, not because they have to.

I’m fascinated by this distorted “tolerance.” We are called to support others. Is another woman’s head covering here in the US really such an affront to you? If so, that’s unfortunate.

NP. I don’t think anyone on this thread has a problem with women CHOOSING to wear a headscarf. We have a problem with a public school forcing that choice on girls to participate in a school field trip.

Do you really not see the difference?

No, to be honest, I don’t. I would want my daughter to show respect to those whose house she enters. It’s the right thing to do.

It seems as if students can CHOOSE to wear a scarf on this trip. So what, exactly, is the problem?

The choice is wear a scarf, or skip the trip. Public schools aren't allowed to impose discriminatory dress codes, even on optional events.

The school isn't imposing a dress code -- you will lose this fight. And I agree you are being disrespectful to Muslims.

Groups I am not required to be respectful and tolerant of: nazis, white nationalists, muslims, catholics and other oppressive religious regimes that control and subjugate women, insurrectionists and similar. If you abuse and subjugate women or other groups you don't get my respect or civility. Your defense is an age old defense of the indefensible.

Fair point.

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Anonymous wrote:Hard pass. Ask to see if there is an in-school option. Having had family members forcibly veiled (even though not mandated by the Quran) I cannot condone forcing children to veil during school (state actor). Adults make their own choices in a democratic society. Children should not be forced. It is always disappointing when Western feminists fail their ideals. Being Liberal does not mean supporting illiberal ideals or holding of the patriarchy.

Also disappointing that you failed to notice the school has made no such official requirement.

It’s in the original post. But I get it you see Islam as primitive and WOC as being less than and less deserving of rights. Consider reading more Islamic feminists when not trolling DCUM.

And it was disproven in subsequent posts. Try reading the thread before you comment. Is this the depth of understanding you usually bring to your “reading?”

It was actually not disproven - in fact a woman wrote about being required by the mosque to wear a head covering. That is a common practice in misjads. Again, if families want to do make their daughters wear a headscarf- that’s on their conscience. But this is a school trip - during school hours. The school should provide an in-school option for parents who want to opt out of this misogynistic practice and/or demonstrate political consciousness and solidarity with the women and girls in Iran.

Please read this post one more time when you are not so heated and angry. No, this won’t weigh on the conscience of most people, who will see this as an opportunity to learn about a different culture. No, most people will not worry about the “misogynistic practice” because they will appreciate that there are American Muslims who choose to wear a head covering because they want to, not because they have to.

I’m fascinated by this distorted “tolerance.” We are called to support others. Is another woman’s head covering here in the US really such an affront to you? If so, that’s unfortunate.

NP. I don’t think anyone on this thread has a problem with women CHOOSING to wear a headscarf. We have a problem with a public school forcing that choice on girls to participate in a school field trip.

Do you really not see the difference?

No, to be honest, I don’t. I would want my daughter to show respect to those whose house she enters. It’s the right thing to do.

It seems as if students can CHOOSE to wear a scarf on this trip. So what, exactly, is the problem?

The choice is wear a scarf, or skip the trip. Public schools aren't allowed to impose discriminatory dress codes, even on optional events.

The school isn't imposing a dress code -- you will lose this fight. And I agree you are being disrespectful to Muslims.

Groups I am not required to be respectful and tolerant of: nazis, white nationalists, muslims, catholics and other oppressive religious regimes that control and subjugate women, insurrectionists and similar. If you abuse and subjugate women or other groups you don't get my respect or civility. Your defense is an age old defense of the indefensible.

This is such an interesting response. The field trip in question provides students with the opportunity to learn about people different than themselves. Perhaps you would benefit from this opportunity.

I’m a Catholic woman. You say you won’t respect or tolerate me because of my beliefs. Do you know what they are? Have you spoken to me? My neighbor is Muslim. I *have* spoken to him and have great respect for him and his family. Sometimes the unknown is something to fear. Our world is a better place when we put our judgments and misconceptions aside.

(Also… Nazis? Do you live near any? Such an interesting, trollish list…)

You may be a great person with reasonable beliefs. The group that you are a part of engaged in widespread pedophilia and the coverup of widespread pedophilia. To me at least, that alone is enough to dismiss a group, but I'm sure PP has other reasons as well

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Anonymous wrote:Hard pass. Ask to see if there is an in-school option. Having had family members forcibly veiled (even though not mandated by the Quran) I cannot condone forcing children to veil during school (state actor). Adults make their own choices in a democratic society. Children should not be forced. It is always disappointing when Western feminists fail their ideals. Being Liberal does not mean supporting illiberal ideals or holding of the patriarchy.

Also disappointing that you failed to notice the school has made no such official requirement.

It’s in the original post. But I get it you see Islam as primitive and WOC as being less than and less deserving of rights. Consider reading more Islamic feminists when not trolling DCUM.

And it was disproven in subsequent posts. Try reading the thread before you comment. Is this the depth of understanding you usually bring to your “reading?”

It was actually not disproven - in fact a woman wrote about being required by the mosque to wear a head covering. That is a common practice in misjads. Again, if families want to do make their daughters wear a headscarf- that’s on their conscience. But this is a school trip - during school hours. The school should provide an in-school option for parents who want to opt out of this misogynistic practice and/or demonstrate political consciousness and solidarity with the women and girls in Iran.

Please read this post one more time when you are not so heated and angry. No, this won’t weigh on the conscience of most people, who will see this as an opportunity to learn about a different culture. No, most people will not worry about the “misogynistic practice” because they will appreciate that there are American Muslims who choose to wear a head covering because they want to, not because they have to.

I’m fascinated by this distorted “tolerance.” We are called to support others. Is another woman’s head covering here in the US really such an affront to you? If so, that’s unfortunate.

NP. I don’t think anyone on this thread has a problem with women CHOOSING to wear a headscarf. We have a problem with a public school forcing that choice on girls to participate in a school field trip.

Do you really not see the difference?

No, to be honest, I don’t. I would want my daughter to show respect to those whose house she enters. It’s the right thing to do.

It seems as if students can CHOOSE to wear a scarf on this trip. So what, exactly, is the problem?

The choice is wear a scarf, or skip the trip. Public schools aren't allowed to impose discriminatory dress codes, even on optional events.

The school isn't imposing a dress code -- you will lose this fight. And I agree you are being disrespectful to Muslims.

Groups I am not required to be respectful and tolerant of: nazis, white nationalists, muslims, catholics and other oppressive religious regimes that control and subjugate women, insurrectionists and similar. If you abuse and subjugate women or other groups you don't get my respect or civility. Your defense is an age old defense of the indefensible.

This is such an interesting response. The field trip in question provides students with the opportunity to learn about people different than themselves. Perhaps you would benefit from this opportunity.

I’m a Catholic woman. You say you won’t respect or tolerate me because of my beliefs. Do you know what they are? Have you spoken to me? My neighbor is Muslim. I *have* spoken to him and have great respect for him and his family. Sometimes the unknown is something to fear. Our world is a better place when we put our judgments and misconceptions aside.

(Also… Nazis? Do you live near any? Such an interesting, trollish list…)

You may be a great person with reasonable beliefs. The group that you are a part of engaged in widespread pedophilia and the coverup of widespread pedophilia. To me at least, that alone is enough to dismiss a group, but I'm sure PP has other reasons as well

Lol leave it to DCUM to turn Muslim bashing into Catholic bashing. You’re as predictable as the sun rising in the morning!

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Anonymous wrote:Hard pass. Ask to see if there is an in-school option. Having had family members forcibly veiled (even though not mandated by the Quran) I cannot condone forcing children to veil during school (state actor). Adults make their own choices in a democratic society. Children should not be forced. It is always disappointing when Western feminists fail their ideals. Being Liberal does not mean supporting illiberal ideals or holding of the patriarchy.

Also disappointing that you failed to notice the school has made no such official requirement.

It’s in the original post. But I get it you see Islam as primitive and WOC as being less than and less deserving of rights. Consider reading more Islamic feminists when not trolling DCUM.

And it was disproven in subsequent posts. Try reading the thread before you comment. Is this the depth of understanding you usually bring to your “reading?”

It was actually not disproven - in fact a woman wrote about being required by the mosque to wear a head covering. That is a common practice in misjads. Again, if families want to do make their daughters wear a headscarf- that’s on their conscience. But this is a school trip - during school hours. The school should provide an in-school option for parents who want to opt out of this misogynistic practice and/or demonstrate political consciousness and solidarity with the women and girls in Iran.

Please read this post one more time when you are not so heated and angry. No, this won’t weigh on the conscience of most people, who will see this as an opportunity to learn about a different culture. No, most people will not worry about the “misogynistic practice” because they will appreciate that there are American Muslims who choose to wear a head covering because they want to, not because they have to.

I’m fascinated by this distorted “tolerance.” We are called to support others. Is another woman’s head covering here in the US really such an affront to you? If so, that’s unfortunate.

NP. I don’t think anyone on this thread has a problem with women CHOOSING to wear a headscarf. We have a problem with a public school forcing that choice on girls to participate in a school field trip.

Do you really not see the difference?

No, to be honest, I don’t. I would want my daughter to show respect to those whose house she enters. It’s the right thing to do.

It seems as if students can CHOOSE to wear a scarf on this trip. So what, exactly, is the problem?

The choice is wear a scarf, or skip the trip. Public schools aren't allowed to impose discriminatory dress codes, even on optional events.

The school isn't imposing a dress code -- you will lose this fight. And I agree you are being disrespectful to Muslims.

Groups I am not required to be respectful and tolerant of: nazis, white nationalists, muslims, catholics and other oppressive religious regimes that control and subjugate women, insurrectionists and similar. If you abuse and subjugate women or other groups you don't get my respect or civility. Your defense is an age old defense of the indefensible.

Not sure it's reasonable to say all Muslims control and subjugate women. And surely some Jews do the same. Do you object to the trip to the synagogue, too?

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Anonymous wrote:Hard pass. Ask to see if there is an in-school option. Having had family members forcibly veiled (even though not mandated by the Quran) I cannot condone forcing children to veil during school (state actor). Adults make their own choices in a democratic society. Children should not be forced. It is always disappointing when Western feminists fail their ideals. Being Liberal does not mean supporting illiberal ideals or holding of the patriarchy.

Also disappointing that you failed to notice the school has made no such official requirement.

It’s in the original post. But I get it you see Islam as primitive and WOC as being less than and less deserving of rights. Consider reading more Islamic feminists when not trolling DCUM.

And it was disproven in subsequent posts. Try reading the thread before you comment. Is this the depth of understanding you usually bring to your “reading?”

It was actually not disproven - in fact a woman wrote about being required by the mosque to wear a head covering. That is a common practice in misjads. Again, if families want to do make their daughters wear a headscarf- that’s on their conscience. But this is a school trip - during school hours. The school should provide an in-school option for parents who want to opt out of this misogynistic practice and/or demonstrate political consciousness and solidarity with the women and girls in Iran.

Please read this post one more time when you are not so heated and angry. No, this won’t weigh on the conscience of most people, who will see this as an opportunity to learn about a different culture. No, most people will not worry about the “misogynistic practice” because they will appreciate that there are American Muslims who choose to wear a head covering because they want to, not because they have to.

I’m fascinated by this distorted “tolerance.” We are called to support others. Is another woman’s head covering here in the US really such an affront to you? If so, that’s unfortunate.

NP. I don’t think anyone on this thread has a problem with women CHOOSING to wear a headscarf. We have a problem with a public school forcing that choice on girls to participate in a school field trip.

Do you really not see the difference?

No, to be honest, I don’t. I would want my daughter to show respect to those whose house she enters. It’s the right thing to do.

It seems as if students can CHOOSE to wear a scarf on this trip. So what, exactly, is the problem?

The choice is wear a scarf, or skip the trip. Public schools aren't allowed to impose discriminatory dress codes, even on optional events.

The school isn't imposing a dress code -- you will lose this fight. And I agree you are being disrespectful to Muslims.

Groups I am not required to be respectful and tolerant of: nazis, white nationalists, muslims, catholics and other oppressive religious regimes that control and subjugate women, insurrectionists and similar. If you abuse and subjugate women or other groups you don't get my respect or civility. Your defense is an age old defense of the indefensible.

This is such an interesting response. The field trip in question provides students with the opportunity to learn about people different than themselves. Perhaps you would benefit from this opportunity.

I’m a Catholic woman. You say you won’t respect or tolerate me because of my beliefs. Do you know what they are? Have you spoken to me? My neighbor is Muslim. I *have* spoken to him and have great respect for him and his family. Sometimes the unknown is something to fear. Our world is a better place when we put our judgments and misconceptions aside.

(Also… Nazis? Do you live near any? Such an interesting, trollish list…)

If are not aware of the rise of antisemitism and open nazi marches and groups then you forfeit your right to lecture anyone else on learning about the world around them. What exactly do you think chants of "Jews will not replace us" mean?

I know a great deal about the Catholic church. I know they spent decades protecting pedophile priests and putting at risk parishioners. I women aren't qualified to be priests. I know you think birth control is a sin (which is a way to control women), I know you believe in a man in the sky that controls everything, I know the carnage and war that has been waged in the name of the catholic church and your god. I don't have an obligation to listen to a childish fiction story and watch the terror it wrought and say, "that seems reasonable."

Before you hop on your cross, I could do the same for all major religions.

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Anonymous wrote:Hard pass. Ask to see if there is an in-school option. Having had family members forcibly veiled (even though not mandated by the Quran) I cannot condone forcing children to veil during school (state actor). Adults make their own choices in a democratic society. Children should not be forced. It is always disappointing when Western feminists fail their ideals. Being Liberal does not mean supporting illiberal ideals or holding of the patriarchy.

Also disappointing that you failed to notice the school has made no such official requirement.

It’s in the original post. But I get it you see Islam as primitive and WOC as being less than and less deserving of rights. Consider reading more Islamic feminists when not trolling DCUM.

And it was disproven in subsequent posts. Try reading the thread before you comment. Is this the depth of understanding you usually bring to your “reading?”

It was actually not disproven - in fact a woman wrote about being required by the mosque to wear a head covering. That is a common practice in misjads. Again, if families want to do make their daughters wear a headscarf- that’s on their conscience. But this is a school trip - during school hours. The school should provide an in-school option for parents who want to opt out of this misogynistic practice and/or demonstrate political consciousness and solidarity with the women and girls in Iran.

Please read this post one more time when you are not so heated and angry. No, this won’t weigh on the conscience of most people, who will see this as an opportunity to learn about a different culture. No, most people will not worry about the “misogynistic practice” because they will appreciate that there are American Muslims who choose to wear a head covering because they want to, not because they have to.

I’m fascinated by this distorted “tolerance.” We are called to support others. Is another woman’s head covering here in the US really such an affront to you? If so, that’s unfortunate.

NP. I don’t think anyone on this thread has a problem with women CHOOSING to wear a headscarf. We have a problem with a public school forcing that choice on girls to participate in a school field trip.

Do you really not see the difference?

No, to be honest, I don’t. I would want my daughter to show respect to those whose house she enters. It’s the right thing to do.

It seems as if students can CHOOSE to wear a scarf on this trip. So what, exactly, is the problem?

The choice is wear a scarf, or skip the trip. Public schools aren't allowed to impose discriminatory dress codes, even on optional events.

The school isn't imposing a dress code -- you will lose this fight. And I agree you are being disrespectful to Muslims.

Groups I am not required to be respectful and tolerant of: nazis, white nationalists, muslims, catholics and other oppressive religious regimes that control and subjugate women, insurrectionists and similar. If you abuse and subjugate women or other groups you don't get my respect or civility. Your defense is an age old defense of the indefensible.

Not sure it's reasonable to say all Muslims control and subjugate women. And surely some Jews do the same. Do you object to the trip to the synagogue, too?

The base of the religion (like many others) absolutely seeks to subjugate and control women. Not all Nazis want to kill all jews and blacks. Some just want them kept in their place. Are you suggesting I can't condemn people who go to their meetings, give them money and support them?

P.S. Love your childish "whataboutism". Do you wanna go blow for blow and compare clitectomies to pedophile priests to the horrors wrought by all religions. Jews too, since you seem to think I think that's any different; no women rabbis for the orthodox and no problem with teen brides in that community.

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Anonymous wrote:Hard pass. Ask to see if there is an in-school option. Having had family members forcibly veiled (even though not mandated by the Quran) I cannot condone forcing children to veil during school (state actor). Adults make their own choices in a democratic society. Children should not be forced. It is always disappointing when Western feminists fail their ideals. Being Liberal does not mean supporting illiberal ideals or holding of the patriarchy.

Also disappointing that you failed to notice the school has made no such official requirement.

It’s in the original post. But I get it you see Islam as primitive and WOC as being less than and less deserving of rights. Consider reading more Islamic feminists when not trolling DCUM.

And it was disproven in subsequent posts. Try reading the thread before you comment. Is this the depth of understanding you usually bring to your “reading?”

It was actually not disproven - in fact a woman wrote about being required by the mosque to wear a head covering. That is a common practice in misjads. Again, if families want to do make their daughters wear a headscarf- that’s on their conscience. But this is a school trip - during school hours. The school should provide an in-school option for parents who want to opt out of this misogynistic practice and/or demonstrate political consciousness and solidarity with the women and girls in Iran.

Please read this post one more time when you are not so heated and angry. No, this won’t weigh on the conscience of most people, who will see this as an opportunity to learn about a different culture. No, most people will not worry about the “misogynistic practice” because they will appreciate that there are American Muslims who choose to wear a head covering because they want to, not because they have to.

I’m fascinated by this distorted “tolerance.” We are called to support others. Is another woman’s head covering here in the US really such an affront to you? If so, that’s unfortunate.

NP. I don’t think anyone on this thread has a problem with women CHOOSING to wear a headscarf. We have a problem with a public school forcing that choice on girls to participate in a school field trip.

Do you really not see the difference?

No, to be honest, I don’t. I would want my daughter to show respect to those whose house she enters. It’s the right thing to do.

It seems as if students can CHOOSE to wear a scarf on this trip. So what, exactly, is the problem?

The choice is wear a scarf, or skip the trip. Public schools aren't allowed to impose discriminatory dress codes, even on optional events.

The school isn't imposing a dress code -- you will lose this fight. And I agree you are being disrespectful to Muslims.

Groups I am not required to be respectful and tolerant of: nazis, white nationalists, muslims, catholics and other oppressive religious regimes that control and subjugate women, insurrectionists and similar. If you abuse and subjugate women or other groups you don't get my respect or civility. Your defense is an age old defense of the indefensible.

Not sure it's reasonable to say all Muslims control and subjugate women. And surely some Jews do the same. Do you object to the trip to the synagogue, too?

The base of the religion (like many others) absolutely seeks to subjugate and control women. Not all Nazis want to kill all jews and blacks. Some just want them kept in their place. Are you suggesting I can't condemn people who go to their meetings, give them money and support them?

P.S. Love your childish "whataboutism". Do you wanna go blow for blow and compare clitectomies to pedophile priests to the horrors wrought by all religions. Jews too, since you seem to think I think that's any different; no women rabbis for the orthodox and no problem with teen brides in that community.

I hear you, but no one is forcing those views onto women (or at least not in this country). They choose to participate and believe what they believe. I think your view of religion is very narrow. You can't go on hating the majority of the world. And I'm not even part of any religion but can recognize that there are a lot of good things that come out of it too.

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I just love the dog eating it’s own tail idiocracy of using my passport to prove my identity-because you know what I used to get that passport? The license they now say isn’t good enough to prove my identity.

Doh.

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Anonymous wrote:Hard pass. Ask to see if there is an in-school option. Having had family members forcibly veiled (even though not mandated by the Quran) I cannot condone forcing children to veil during school (state actor). Adults make their own choices in a democratic society. Children should not be forced. It is always disappointing when Western feminists fail their ideals. Being Liberal does not mean supporting illiberal ideals or holding of the patriarchy.

Also disappointing that you failed to notice the school has made no such official requirement.

It’s in the original post. But I get it you see Islam as primitive and WOC as being less than and less deserving of rights. Consider reading more Islamic feminists when not trolling DCUM.

And it was disproven in subsequent posts. Try reading the thread before you comment. Is this the depth of understanding you usually bring to your “reading?”

It was actually not disproven - in fact a woman wrote about being required by the mosque to wear a head covering. That is a common practice in misjads. Again, if families want to do make their daughters wear a headscarf- that’s on their conscience. But this is a school trip - during school hours. The school should provide an in-school option for parents who want to opt out of this misogynistic practice and/or demonstrate political consciousness and solidarity with the women and girls in Iran.

Please read this post one more time when you are not so heated and angry. No, this won’t weigh on the conscience of most people, who will see this as an opportunity to learn about a different culture. No, most people will not worry about the “misogynistic practice” because they will appreciate that there are American Muslims who choose to wear a head covering because they want to, not because they have to.

I’m fascinated by this distorted “tolerance.” We are called to support others. Is another woman’s head covering here in the US really such an affront to you? If so, that’s unfortunate.

NP. I don’t think anyone on this thread has a problem with women CHOOSING to wear a headscarf. We have a problem with a public school forcing that choice on girls to participate in a school field trip.

Do you really not see the difference?

No, to be honest, I don’t. I would want my daughter to show respect to those whose house she enters. It’s the right thing to do.

It seems as if students can CHOOSE to wear a scarf on this trip. So what, exactly, is the problem?

The choice is wear a scarf, or skip the trip. Public schools aren't allowed to impose discriminatory dress codes, even on optional events.

The school isn't imposing a dress code -- you will lose this fight. And I agree you are being disrespectful to Muslims.

Groups I am not required to be respectful and tolerant of: nazis, white nationalists, muslims, catholics and other oppressive religious regimes that control and subjugate women, insurrectionists and similar. If you abuse and subjugate women or other groups you don't get my respect or civility. Your defense is an age old defense of the indefensible.

This is such an interesting response. The field trip in question provides students with the opportunity to learn about people different than themselves. Perhaps you would benefit from this opportunity.

I’m a Catholic woman. You say you won’t respect or tolerate me because of my beliefs. Do you know what they are? Have you spoken to me? My neighbor is Muslim. I *have* spoken to him and have great respect for him and his family. Sometimes the unknown is something to fear. Our world is a better place when we put our judgments and misconceptions aside.

(Also… Nazis? Do you live near any? Such an interesting, trollish list…)

You may be a great person with reasonable beliefs. The group that you are a part of engaged in widespread pedophilia and the coverup of widespread pedophilia. To me at least, that alone is enough to dismiss a group, but I'm sure PP has other reasons as well

You have lost your ever-loving mind. Despicable, unthinking person, you are.

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Anonymous wrote:Hard pass. Ask to see if there is an in-school option. Having had family members forcibly veiled (even though not mandated by the Quran) I cannot condone forcing children to veil during school (state actor). Adults make their own choices in a democratic society. Children should not be forced. It is always disappointing when Western feminists fail their ideals. Being Liberal does not mean supporting illiberal ideals or holding of the patriarchy.

Also disappointing that you failed to notice the school has made no such official requirement.

It’s in the original post. But I get it you see Islam as primitive and WOC as being less than and less deserving of rights. Consider reading more Islamic feminists when not trolling DCUM.

And it was disproven in subsequent posts. Try reading the thread before you comment. Is this the depth of understanding you usually bring to your “reading?”

It was actually not disproven - in fact a woman wrote about being required by the mosque to wear a head covering. That is a common practice in misjads. Again, if families want to do make their daughters wear a headscarf- that’s on their conscience. But this is a school trip - during school hours. The school should provide an in-school option for parents who want to opt out of this misogynistic practice and/or demonstrate political consciousness and solidarity with the women and girls in Iran.

Please read this post one more time when you are not so heated and angry. No, this won’t weigh on the conscience of most people, who will see this as an opportunity to learn about a different culture. No, most people will not worry about the “misogynistic practice” because they will appreciate that there are American Muslims who choose to wear a head covering because they want to, not because they have to.

I’m fascinated by this distorted “tolerance.” We are called to support others. Is another woman’s head covering here in the US really such an affront to you? If so, that’s unfortunate.

NP. I don’t think anyone on this thread has a problem with women CHOOSING to wear a headscarf. We have a problem with a public school forcing that choice on girls to participate in a school field trip.

Do you really not see the difference?

No, to be honest, I don’t. I would want my daughter to show respect to those whose house she enters. It’s the right thing to do.

It seems as if students can CHOOSE to wear a scarf on this trip. So what, exactly, is the problem?

The choice is wear a scarf, or skip the trip. Public schools aren't allowed to impose discriminatory dress codes, even on optional events.

The school isn't imposing a dress code -- you will lose this fight. And I agree you are being disrespectful to Muslims.

Groups I am not required to be respectful and tolerant of: nazis, white nationalists, muslims, catholics and other oppressive religious regimes that control and subjugate women, insurrectionists and similar. If you abuse and subjugate women or other groups you don't get my respect or civility. Your defense is an age old defense of the indefensible.

This is such an interesting response. The field trip in question provides students with the opportunity to learn about people different than themselves. Perhaps you would benefit from this opportunity.

I’m a Catholic woman. You say you won’t respect or tolerate me because of my beliefs. Do you know what they are? Have you spoken to me? My neighbor is Muslim. I *have* spoken to him and have great respect for him and his family. Sometimes the unknown is something to fear. Our world is a better place when we put our judgments and misconceptions aside.

(Also… Nazis? Do you live near any? Such an interesting, trollish list…)

If are not aware of the rise of antisemitism and open nazi marches and groups then you forfeit your right to lecture anyone else on learning about the world around them. What exactly do you think chants of "Jews will not replace us" mean?

I know a great deal about the Catholic church. I know they spent decades protecting pedophile priests and putting at risk parishioners. I women aren't qualified to be priests. I know you think birth control is a sin (which is a way to control women), I know you believe in a man in the sky that controls everything, I know the carnage and war that has been waged in the name of the catholic church and your god. I don't have an obligation to listen to a childish fiction story and watch the terror it wrought and say, "that seems reasonable."

Before you hop on your cross, I could do the same for all major religions.

Obviously you know nothing about Catholicism. Man in the sky indeed, lol! Are you in kindergarten?