Wilson / Jackson-Reed Teacher saying slurs

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Anonymous wrote:Does DCUM really think it is acceptable for white people to say the N word under ANY CIRCUMSTANCE. And also think that its ok to police black usage of a word that WHITE PEOPLE created to dehumanize them. Y’all are weird. Really really odd people. I thought this was DC not the Deep South. But I guess white parents arent afraid to send their students to integrated schools in the Deep South.

Up until a few years ago, discussing the n word as a word was not unusual; and even today the NYTimes prints it in its entirety. I understand that norms change; that at this point using “n-word” is the better choice in a classroom. But I vehemently disagree that anyone should be punished for saying the word out loud in a way that is not a slur. The word is literally *everywhere* out loud in DC. It’s obviously all about context.

Also the n-word wasn’t created to dehumanize; it evolved.

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/04/30/opinion/john-mcwhorter-n-word-unsayable.html

https://reason.com/2021/04/30/at-the-new-york-times-intent-does-not-matter-when-someone-uses-the-n-word-except-when-it-does/?amp

Exactly who here is advocating for the teacher to be punished?

don’t play dumb

show me

unless you consider internet opprobrium punishment

thats what i thought.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Does DCUM really think it is acceptable for white people to say the N word under ANY CIRCUMSTANCE. And also think that its ok to police black usage of a word that WHITE PEOPLE created to dehumanize them. Y’all are weird. Really really odd people. I thought this was DC not the Deep South. But I guess white parents arent afraid to send their students to integrated schools in the Deep South.

Up until a few years ago, discussing the n word as a word was not unusual; and even today the NYTimes prints it in its entirety. I understand that norms change; that at this point using “n-word” is the better choice in a classroom. But I vehemently disagree that anyone should be punished for saying the word out loud in a way that is not a slur. The word is literally *everywhere* out loud in DC. It’s obviously all about context.

Also the n-word wasn’t created to dehumanize; it evolved.

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/04/30/opinion/john-mcwhorter-n-word-unsayable.html

https://reason.com/2021/04/30/at-the-new-york-times-intent-does-not-matter-when-someone-uses-the-n-word-except-when-it-does/?amp

Negro was not used as a racial slur, but it eventually evolved to the "er" pronunciation which was absolutely intended as a racial slur. Not that it matters in any way to this discussion, but just thought I'd clarify that.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The teacher denied that he was a n**. He did not call the kid that. Why should he not use the word to deny what he was called?

So some people on here are saying that no white person should say the word no matter what the context is, such as in this situation, but anybody black can say it whenever they want, in whatever context they want to whoever they want……..Got it.

Nobody said that. Nobody has said that it was an appropriate thing for the child to say.

It's what she has to pretend the argument is in order to make her argument that sometimes white people get to say the n word.

you act like white people are looking for a chance to use it as a racial slur? that’s not what I see. the point is that while discretion is important, discussing thr word qua word should not be a cancellable offence. there was nothing wrong with how this teacher used it.

Nobody has said that. You can discuss the usage of the word, debate who should and should not use the word, deny being the word, but in doing so a White person should not actually say the word. Nobody wants the teacher canceled.

But that is what will happen. He has no support and he will leave because of it. It’s as good as being cancelled.

What exactly do you think is going to happen? Like, what is the chain of events in your mind?

The chain of events for the teacher? He will not stay at the school because once rumors and videos of this circulate his reputation will be ruined at JR. I’ve seen it happen in other circumstances in the past- false accusations against teachers are really damaging.

false accusation?

That he called the kid a slur. Or used a slur against the kid.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Does DCUM really think it is acceptable for white people to say the N word under ANY CIRCUMSTANCE. And also think that its ok to police black usage of a word that WHITE PEOPLE created to dehumanize them. Y’all are weird. Really really odd people. I thought this was DC not the Deep South. But I guess white parents arent afraid to send their students to integrated schools in the Deep South.

Up until a few years ago, discussing the n word as a word was not unusual; and even today the NYTimes prints it in its entirety. I understand that norms change; that at this point using “n-word” is the better choice in a classroom. But I vehemently disagree that anyone should be punished for saying the word out loud in a way that is not a slur. The word is literally *everywhere* out loud in DC. It’s obviously all about context.

Also the n-word wasn’t created to dehumanize; it evolved.

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/04/30/opinion/john-mcwhorter-n-word-unsayable.html

https://reason.com/2021/04/30/at-the-new-york-times-intent-does-not-matter-when-someone-uses-the-n-word-except-when-it-does/?amp

Exactly who here is advocating for the teacher to be punished?

don’t play dumb

show me

unless you consider internet opprobrium punishment

thats what i thought.

+1 Call me dumb too because I've read this whole thread and not one person has said the teacher should be punished.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The teacher denied that he was a n**. He did not call the kid that. Why should he not use the word to deny what he was called?

So some people on here are saying that no white person should say the word no matter what the context is, such as in this situation, but anybody black can say it whenever they want, in whatever context they want to whoever they want……..Got it.

Nobody said that. Nobody has said that it was an appropriate thing for the child to say.

It's what she has to pretend the argument is in order to make her argument that sometimes white people get to say the n word.

you act like white people are looking for a chance to use it as a racial slur? that’s not what I see. the point is that while discretion is important, discussing thr word qua word should not be a cancellable offence. there was nothing wrong with how this teacher used it.

Nobody has said that. You can discuss the usage of the word, debate who should and should not use the word, deny being the word, but in doing so a White person should not actually say the word. Nobody wants the teacher canceled.

But that is what will happen. He has no support and he will leave because of it. It’s as good as being cancelled.

What exactly do you think is going to happen? Like, what is the chain of events in your mind?

The chain of events for the teacher? He will not stay at the school because once rumors and videos of this circulate his reputation will be ruined at JR. I’ve seen it happen in other circumstances in the past- false accusations against teachers are really damaging.

false accusation?

That he called the kid a slur. Or used a slur against the kid.

Who accused him of calling the kid a slur? You guys are just making stuff up. smh

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Does DCUM really think it is acceptable for white people to say the N word under ANY CIRCUMSTANCE. And also think that its ok to police black usage of a word that WHITE PEOPLE created to dehumanize them. Y’all are weird. Really really odd people. I thought this was DC not the Deep South. But I guess white parents arent afraid to send their students to integrated schools in the Deep South.

I don’t think it is okay for *anyone* — white or black — to use the word. If black people insist on using the word as a term of connection, so be it.

But, yes, a Black person using the term to in hostility to a white person is worse than the white person saying it in rejection. The idea that the teacher crossed a hard red line guy the student is entitled to hurl the provocative insult is absurd.

And all this is tangential that a teenager behaved horribly, and this teacher was faced with the kind of abuse that no teacher should have to deal with but that many do.

If you are not black, your opinion on how the word is used in insignificant.

Nope. Black people can’t deem it okay or fair bait or whatever to say it to a white person as an insult.

Can you explain how it is an insult to me? Inappropriate sure, but explain how it is an insult.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The teacher denied that he was a n**. He did not call the kid that. Why should he not use the word to deny what he was called?

So some people on here are saying that no white person should say the word no matter what the context is, such as in this situation, but anybody black can say it whenever they want, in whatever context they want to whoever they want……..Got it.

Nobody said that. Nobody has said that it was an appropriate thing for the child to say.

It's what she has to pretend the argument is in order to make her argument that sometimes white people get to say the n word.

you act like white people are looking for a chance to use it as a racial slur? that’s not what I see. the point is that while discretion is important, discussing thr word qua word should not be a cancellable offence. there was nothing wrong with how this teacher used it.

Nobody has said that. You can discuss the usage of the word, debate who should and should not use the word, deny being the word, but in doing so a White person should not actually say the word. Nobody wants the teacher canceled.

But that is what will happen. He has no support and he will leave because of it. It’s as good as being cancelled.

What exactly do you think is going to happen? Like, what is the chain of events in your mind?

The chain of events for the teacher? He will not stay at the school because once rumors and videos of this circulate his reputation will be ruined at JR. I’ve seen it happen in other circumstances in the past- false accusations against teachers are really damaging.

false accusation?

That he called the kid a slur. Or used a slur against the kid.

Who accused him of calling the kid a slur? You guys are just making stuff up. smh

Right? The level of strawmen being created in this thread is unusual, even for DCUM.

[Anonymous]

There were a number of rumors going around Wilson, including that the teacher had directly used the slur against the student. Two PPs in this thread said they had heard "worse" versions of what happened from their J-R child before the student saw the actual video.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:There were a number of rumors going around Wilson, including that the teacher had directly used the slur against the student. Two PPs in this thread said they had heard "worse" versions of what happened from their J-R child before the student saw the actual video.

Not sure why those teenage school rumors are relevant to the discussion of the teacher using the word. Of course there are all kinds of rumors going around about the incident. The whole thing was horrible and teenagers are known for embellishing and escalating. But nobody here has said they believe any of that nonsense.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:There were a number of rumors going around Wilson, including that the teacher had directly used the slur against the student. Two PPs in this thread said they had heard "worse" versions of what happened from their J-R child before the student saw the actual video.

That's another reason that it was extremely unwise for the adult to take the child's bait. Nothing good will ever come of a white person using the n word.

[Anonymous]

Only bringing it up in response to the question about "who's saying teacher used slur against student?".

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Does DCUM really think it is acceptable for white people to say the N word under ANY CIRCUMSTANCE. And also think that its ok to police black usage of a word that WHITE PEOPLE created to dehumanize them. Y’all are weird. Really really odd people. I thought this was DC not the Deep South. But I guess white parents arent afraid to send their students to integrated schools in the Deep South.

Up until a few years ago, discussing the n word as a word was not unusual; and even today the NYTimes prints it in its entirety. I understand that norms change; that at this point using “n-word” is the better choice in a classroom. But I vehemently disagree that anyone should be punished for saying the word out loud in a way that is not a slur. The word is literally *everywhere* out loud in DC. It’s obviously all about context.

Also the n-word wasn’t created to dehumanize; it evolved.

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/04/30/opinion/john-mcwhorter-n-word-unsayable.html

https://reason.com/2021/04/30/at-the-new-york-times-intent-does-not-matter-when-someone-uses-the-n-word-except-when-it-does/?amp

Negro was not used as a racial slur, but it eventually evolved to the "er" pronunciation which was absolutely intended as a racial slur. Not that it matters in any way to this discussion, but just thought I'd clarify that.

Not exactly - read the article.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Does DCUM really think it is acceptable for white people to say the N word under ANY CIRCUMSTANCE. And also think that its ok to police black usage of a word that WHITE PEOPLE created to dehumanize them. Y’all are weird. Really really odd people. I thought this was DC not the Deep South. But I guess white parents arent afraid to send their students to integrated schools in the Deep South.

Up until a few years ago, discussing the n word as a word was not unusual; and even today the NYTimes prints it in its entirety. I understand that norms change; that at this point using “n-word” is the better choice in a classroom. But I vehemently disagree that anyone should be punished for saying the word out loud in a way that is not a slur. The word is literally *everywhere* out loud in DC. It’s obviously all about context.

Also the n-word wasn’t created to dehumanize; it evolved.

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/04/30/opinion/john-mcwhorter-n-word-unsayable.html

https://reason.com/2021/04/30/at-the-new-york-times-intent-does-not-matter-when-someone-uses-the-n-word-except-when-it-does/?amp

Exactly who here is advocating for the teacher to be punished?

don’t play dumb

show me

unless you consider internet opprobrium punishment

thats what i thought.

+1 Call me dumb too because I've read this whole thread and not one person has said the teacher should be punished.

you’re naive if you don’t think that’s a possibility here

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The teacher denied that he was a n**. He did not call the kid that. Why should he not use the word to deny what he was called?

So some people on here are saying that no white person should say the word no matter what the context is, such as in this situation, but anybody black can say it whenever they want, in whatever context they want to whoever they want……..Got it.

Nobody said that. Nobody has said that it was an appropriate thing for the child to say.

It's what she has to pretend the argument is in order to make her argument that sometimes white people get to say the n word.

you act like white people are looking for a chance to use it as a racial slur? that’s not what I see. the point is that while discretion is important, discussing thr word qua word should not be a cancellable offence. there was nothing wrong with how this teacher used it.

Nobody has said that. You can discuss the usage of the word, debate who should and should not use the word, deny being the word, but in doing so a White person should not actually say the word. Nobody wants the teacher canceled.

But that is what will happen. He has no support and he will leave because of it. It’s as good as being cancelled.

What exactly do you think is going to happen? Like, what is the chain of events in your mind?

The chain of events for the teacher? He will not stay at the school because once rumors and videos of this circulate his reputation will be ruined at JR. I’ve seen it happen in other circumstances in the past- false accusations against teachers are really damaging.

false accusation?

That he called the kid a slur. Or used a slur against the kid.

Who accused him of calling the kid a slur? You guys are just making stuff up. smh

Right? The level of strawmen being created in this thread is unusual, even for DCUM.

We’re not parsing what was said on this thread, but the context. And the thread title absolutely suggests the teacher *called a student the n-word*. and the only reason we are here debating this is that professors and teachers and others have absolutely been attacked and had their jobs threatened for similar incidents.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The teacher denied that he was a n**. He did not call the kid that. Why should he not use the word to deny what he was called?

So some people on here are saying that no white person should say the word no matter what the context is, such as in this situation, but anybody black can say it whenever they want, in whatever context they want to whoever they want……..Got it.

Nobody said that. Nobody has said that it was an appropriate thing for the child to say.

It's what she has to pretend the argument is in order to make her argument that sometimes white people get to say the n word.

you act like white people are looking for a chance to use it as a racial slur? that’s not what I see. the point is that while discretion is important, discussing thr word qua word should not be a cancellable offence. there was nothing wrong with how this teacher used it.

Nobody has said that. You can discuss the usage of the word, debate who should and should not use the word, deny being the word, but in doing so a White person should not actually say the word. Nobody wants the teacher canceled.

But that is what will happen. He has no support and he will leave because of it. It’s as good as being cancelled.

What exactly do you think is going to happen? Like, what is the chain of events in your mind?

The chain of events for the teacher? He will not stay at the school because once rumors and videos of this circulate his reputation will be ruined at JR. I’ve seen it happen in other circumstances in the past- false accusations against teachers are really damaging.

false accusation?

That he called the kid a slur. Or used a slur against the kid.

Who accused him of calling the kid a slur? You guys are just making stuff up. smh

Right? The level of strawmen being created in this thread is unusual, even for DCUM.

We’re not parsing what was said on this thread, but the context. And the thread title absolutely suggests the teacher *called a student the n-word*. and the only reason we are here debating this is that professors and teachers and others have absolutely been attacked and had their jobs threatened for similar incidents.

I'm not sure what you want to argue. Okay, sure others in other circumstances have had their jobs threatened. Nobody here is advocating for that. Is somebody advocating for that elsewhere that we should be aware of?