Shooting at or near Burke HS?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So at the end, MPD did nothing to help. The guy killed himself?

You now, I often criticize our MPD, but it seems to me they did reasonably ok here. They encircled this guy's location, evacuated apartments in the building, kept tightening the snare until they were at his door, and then he killed himself.

They also kept a bunch of scared kids safe in a secure location and then reunited those kids with their equally scared parents. I saw videos of police officers riding with kids and hold ing their hands.

As far as these things go, this seems to have been a good operation.

+1 -- in fact, here in the neighborhood, it looked overdone - Conn Ave blocked from Albemarle to Porter.

[Anonymous]

I was down the street at heard the gun shots. I used to live right where this happened. Was only around for a brief errand - where I actually wondered if I was safe and thought I was being silly. On the previous post about the women thrown out of the building with her legs tied for saying the neighborhood was in free fall. What will it take for people to accept that crime in nw dc is off the chain? Since we moved just within a couple of blocks there has been armed robbery, shootings, and a stabbing in broad daylight.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I am going to say it, but this sounds like suicide by cop and a mental health issue more than a gun issue. The fact that he fired as many rounds as he did in the manner that he did (if you have seen the video, you know what I am talking about). His victims were almost incidental to his getting attention. And then posting the taunting messages to the police after the shooting but not turning this into a situation where more people were killed.

It looks like suicide by cop by a mentally disturbed individual.

Oh and great job by the authorities by the way. We are quick to jump on them, but they seemed to do great yesterday afternoon. And finally, great job by the EB staff and students. What an evening.

Best wishes to all of the victims for speedy recoveries and to the students for their quick mental recoveries and potential return to school.

The perpetrator set up a sniper nest with a tripod and multiple semiautomatic weapons. He targeted a school less than 100 yards away. He did so at the time of dismissal. He shot dozens of rounds at students and parents/caregivers, injuring four. There is reason to believe that at least one victim has multiple wounds. Several rounds struck vehicles snd businesses blocks away. But this isn’t a gun issue? Cool.

[jsteele]

Anonymous wrote:+1 -- in fact, here in the neighborhood, it looked overdone - Conn Ave blocked from Albemarle to Porter.

I initially thought that was a bit extreme as well. But since a bullet shattered a window at Byblos Deli, which is south of Porter, it may not have been enough.

[Anonymous]

in fact, here in the neighborhood, it looked overdone - Conn Ave blocked from Albemarle to Porter.

Not at all overdone when you consider the fact that shots from his high-powered firearms damaged buildings as far away as the Uptown Theatre area, plus the need to have safe staging space for police, EMS, and other first responders… not overdone at all.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am going to say it, but this sounds like suicide by cop and a mental health issue more than a gun issue. The fact that he fired as many rounds as he did in the manner that he did (if you have seen the video, you know what I am talking about). His victims were almost incidental to his getting attention. And then posting the taunting messages to the police after the shooting but not turning this into a situation where more people were killed.

It looks like suicide by cop by a mentally disturbed individual.

Oh and great job by the authorities by the way. We are quick to jump on them, but they seemed to do great yesterday afternoon. And finally, great job by the EB staff and students. What an evening.

Best wishes to all of the victims for speedy recoveries and to the students for their quick mental recoveries and potential return to school.

I didn't even read his message as taunting , but I'm not sure what the acronym was. It sounded like he was saying please come get me. When we will address mental health in this country? Integrative health? Between addiction and mental illness, how many need to die?

The mental health issue is even worse than it was. Even if you have all the money in the world and agree to seek help, there just aren’t enough providers.

I know. We need a movement to address mental and integrative health in this country, like the effort and attention put towards climate change. It needs to be an all in approach, including SEL in schools, healthy lifestyle. investment in community structures like clubhouses and group activities (as people have pulled away from organized religion, what's replaced that?), access to therapy, and commitment including involuntary.

[Anonymous]

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Thanks for clarifying this. I dug in and the DC AG Racine opposes USAO handling gun crimes for both home rule arguments and that federal law contravenes Racine's reform approach. Probably another discussion for another thread, but it appears that Racine and Allen are quite aligned in their viewpoints. And yes, if the USAO is prosecuting gun charges they need to work closely with the city and the police gathering evidence and not plead them down as much as they have been. Not sure, given the below, that would be Racine's 'take'. According to the below, he has even filed to urge dismissal of two felon-in-possession cases by the USAO based on his judicial reform viewpoint.

I am not sure why you have chosen this hill to die on rather than to just accept that you were wrong to jump on the AG and a Council member when jurisdiction for this shooting (which now doesn't need to be prosecuted in any case) lies with the USAO. I really hate when posters act as you are and endlessly muddy the waters with irrelevant information rather than just moving on. Here is what you apparently missed:

1) regardless of the AG's preferences for future authority, currently jurisdiction for felony gun crimes by adults lies with the USAO. Therefore, you had no reason to attack the AG and a CM.

2) the press statement by the AG referenced felon-in-possession cases, not shootings. So, your entire post was irrelevant to yesterday's violence. Given that we currently have no information that the shooter was a felon and that he committed crimes far and beyond such a violation, you may have well as been discussing Racine's attitude toward jaywalking.

If you are concerned about the prosecution of gun crimes by adults in DC, you need to direct your attention to the USAO. You were wrong to immediately jump on the AG and a CM. You apparently have a difficult time with having been wrong, but it's time for you to move on.

hill to die on... interesting choice of words. I am fine with my views that DC has a weird dysfunction towards gun crime, having struggled for so long to keep legal gun ownership out of the District yet our AGs views towards gun possessionby felons no less speak for themself. If you don't see how that ties in to people's inevitable questions about gun possession, laws and attitudes that arise after crimes like this, and rising violent crime in the District, OK. I respect the very specific points you made as well. Moving on, happily and alive.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:


We need a ban on any firearm that is not a hunting rifle (with hunting permit).


We need to enforce the ban, and aggressively collect these firearms.

Hunting rifles are actually sniper rifles - the most accurate type of gun there is. You really want nothing *but* sniper guns out there? Sounds like a terrible idea.

Lol this is why we don't let people that don't really know what they're talking about other than "guns bad" make laws

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

in fact, here in the neighborhood, it looked overdone - Conn Ave blocked from Albemarle to Porter.

Not at all overdone when you consider the fact that shots from his high-powered firearms damaged buildings as far away as the Uptown Theatre area, plus the need to have safe staging space for police, EMS, and other first responders… not overdone at all.

It was an active shooter situation with high powered assault weapons. LE didn’t know if nearby embassy properties were being targeted. LE didn’t know if the perpetrator was inside the school. They didn’t know if there were multiple shooters. There is a Metro station a block away. There are multiple schools and a daycare. A number of Burke students were being sheltered at a nearby location. FFS even the White House went into an enhanced security posture with Secret Service armed with tactical weapons. But, sure, keep a few blocks of Connecticut open so your neighborhood street street isn’t congested.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Anyone know what the motive was? It sounds like he streamed it on 4chan so I imagine there’s a trail of social media posts about what he was trying to do

There's not really a "trail" of much of anything on 4chan, most posts are deleted within a few hours. They did archive and save his initial posts with a video link but there were only 2-3 and they didn't say much really.

[Anonymous]

And why isn’t the media calling this a school shooting?? It seems like the news reports just call it a shooting on a specific block, but the shooter was clearly targeting a school (and even updated the school wiki page before he killed himself).

I also have these same questions.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

And why isn’t the media calling this a school shooting?? It seems like the news reports just call it a shooting on a specific block, but the shooter was clearly targeting a school (and even updated the school wiki page before he killed himself).

I also have these same questions.

And silence from DCPS on the incident?!?

[jsteele]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

And why isn’t the media calling this a school shooting?? It seems like the news reports just call it a shooting on a specific block, but the shooter was clearly targeting a school (and even updated the school wiki page before he killed himself).

I also have these same questions.

And silence from DCPS on the incident?!?

We received an email from Jackson-Reed saying, in part, this:

Around 4:00 pm, today, students and school administration were alerted of police activity in the area. During this time, we went into “alert” status meaning all doors were locked, and entry into the building was not permitted without proper identification. We also restricted all outdoor activities and kept all students and staff indoors during this time. The Metropolitan Police Department investigated and cleared us to resume normal activity around 5:00 pm

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

in fact, here in the neighborhood, it looked overdone - Conn Ave blocked from Albemarle to Porter.

Not at all overdone when you consider the fact that shots from his high-powered firearms damaged buildings as far away as the Uptown Theatre area, plus the need to have safe staging space for police, EMS, and other first responders… not overdone at all.

I was one of the first posters that said something about not seeing this reaction outside of upper NW. I will admit, I was very wrong. I thought it was a domestic incident inside or near the apartment. I take back what I said and I apologize.

[Anonymous]

Did the shooter live in the apartment he used to do the shooting ??? Was it his apartment ??? If not, whose apartment was it ???

Was he a former student at Burke ??? Did he know anyone at Burke ???

When will we know any of this info ???