Mary Cheh not running for re-election?

[Anonymous]

Ward 3 really needed a NIMBY primary and a YIMBY primary. Goulet, Thomas, Monash and Krucoff could’ve squared off in the former and Duncan, Frumin, Bergman, Finley, Cohen, and Brown in the latter. Having primaries organized by national parties for Ward seats really makes no sense at all.

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Anonymous wrote:Is it too late for some of the candidates to drop out and consolidate against Goulet?

It was too late a month ago. But it was really said that Bergman, Duncan, Finley and Frumin couldn't figure it out. If Goulet wins, we can blame their egos for that.

I am not sure why you would blame Frumin. He has outraised everyone else in the race and most particularly by donors from Ward 3. He cannot ask or force others to come to the rational decision that the other campaigns are not as viable as his.

Tricia Duncan’s campaign, endorsed by Cheh, is not as viable as Frumin?

Bergman and Finely are ego campaigns and pretty sad ones at that. But the idea that only Frumin, the perennial loser candidate, is the only viable one to win is silly. How many times has he lost in the past?

She literally received 12 donations in the last month. 12. And only a couple of those after the so-called endorsement. That is anemic and shows that other than the Palisades community Association, her campaign has zero traction across the Ward.

This is a stupid point of comparison and irrelevant as a point of comparison. Frumin is literally Cheh’s campaign treasurer so he has a full donor list to work from. Monash has done well at fundraising, it’s totally meaningless as a gauge of anything.

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Anonymous wrote:Is it too late for some of the candidates to drop out and consolidate against Goulet?

It was too late a month ago. But it was really said that Bergman, Duncan, Finley and Frumin couldn't figure it out. If Goulet wins, we can blame their egos for that.

I am not sure why you would blame Frumin. He has outraised everyone else in the race and most particularly by donors from Ward 3. He cannot ask or force others to come to the rational decision that the other campaigns are not as viable as his.

Tricia Duncan’s campaign, endorsed by Cheh, is not as viable as Frumin?

Bergman and Finely are ego campaigns and pretty sad ones at that. But the idea that only Frumin, the perennial loser candidate, is the only viable one to win is silly. How many times has he lost in the past?

She literally received 12 donations in the last month. 12. And only a couple of those after the so-called endorsement. That is anemic and shows that other than the Palisades community Association, her campaign has zero traction across the Ward.

This is a stupid point of comparison and irrelevant as a point of comparison. Frumin is literally Cheh’s campaign treasurer so he has a full donor list to work from. Monash has done well at fundraising, it’s totally meaningless as a gauge of anything.

There's really nothing else to go on. If you want to run a poll with 8 candidates, feel free.

Her donations are anemic, and pretty much only from the Palisades. She's a neighborhood candidate who got a boost from Cheh's choice to 'only choose a woman'.

Who knows, she might win. There are so many candidates 20-30% is likely enough to win.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Ward 3 really needed a NIMBY primary and a YIMBY primary. Goulet, Thomas, Monash and Krucoff could’ve squared off in the former and Duncan, Frumin, Bergman, Finley, Cohen, and Brown in the latter. Having primaries organized by national parties for Ward seats really makes no sense at all.

Thankfully we have democracy so people can choose candidates based on more than your one pet issue.

You may also want to consider the possibility that the population of Ward 3, or at least a plurality of the population of Ward 3, may have higher priorities.

Mind blowing, right?

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Anonymous wrote:Is it too late for some of the candidates to drop out and consolidate against Goulet?

It was too late a month ago. But it was really said that Bergman, Duncan, Finley and Frumin couldn't figure it out. If Goulet wins, we can blame their egos for that.

I am not sure why you would blame Frumin. He has outraised everyone else in the race and most particularly by donors from Ward 3. He cannot ask or force others to come to the rational decision that the other campaigns are not as viable as his.

Tricia Duncan’s campaign, endorsed by Cheh, is not as viable as Frumin?

Bergman and Finely are ego campaigns and pretty sad ones at that. But the idea that only Frumin, the perennial loser candidate, is the only viable one to win is silly. How many times has he lost in the past?

She literally received 12 donations in the last month. 12. And only a couple of those after the so-called endorsement. That is anemic and shows that other than the Palisades community Association, her campaign has zero traction across the Ward.

This is a stupid point of comparison and irrelevant as a point of comparison. Frumin is literally Cheh’s campaign treasurer so he has a full donor list to work from. Monash has done well at fundraising, it’s totally meaningless as a gauge of anything.

There's really nothing else to go on. If you want to run a poll with 8 candidates, feel free.

Her donations are anemic, and pretty much only from the Palisades. She's a neighborhood candidate who got a boost from Cheh's choice to 'only choose a woman'.

Who knows, she might win. There are so many candidates 20-30% is likely enough to win.

In the absence of polling, most normal people usually track endorsements before weighting fundraising.

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Anonymous wrote:Is it too late for some of the candidates to drop out and consolidate against Goulet?

It was too late a month ago. But it was really said that Bergman, Duncan, Finley and Frumin couldn't figure it out. If Goulet wins, we can blame their egos for that.

I am not sure why you would blame Frumin. He has outraised everyone else in the race and most particularly by donors from Ward 3. He cannot ask or force others to come to the rational decision that the other campaigns are not as viable as his.

Tricia Duncan’s campaign, endorsed by Cheh, is not as viable as Frumin?

Bergman and Finely are ego campaigns and pretty sad ones at that. But the idea that only Frumin, the perennial loser candidate, is the only viable one to win is silly. How many times has he lost in the past?

She literally received 12 donations in the last month. 12. And only a couple of those after the so-called endorsement. That is anemic and shows that other than the Palisades community Association, her campaign has zero traction across the Ward.

This is a stupid point of comparison and irrelevant as a point of comparison. Frumin is literally Cheh’s campaign treasurer so he has a full donor list to work from. Monash has done well at fundraising, it’s totally meaningless as a gauge of anything.

Frumin's donor list are the people who have worked with him in the various community organizations he has been a part of, as well as his friends and neighbors. If Cheh's donor list was so strong, then Duncan should have used it to exploit Cheh's support. I know I received a mailing from the Duncan campaign that was all about Cheh's support. I assume everyone else received that as well. It literally generated NO financial support. None. She has no traction outside of Palisades despite 3 months of campaigning.

Since there are no indepedent polls, the ones we have to go on are the DFER poll that has gotten Goulet in to hot water, and the metrics associated with donations including the most recent filing. Those numbers show Frumin, Goulet and Monasch with the most consistent and growing support, but Frumin's numbers far exceed the others. If you go around the ward, he is the only one who has had volunteers at all of the farmers markets and canvassing. Sure some of the other candidates are knocking on doors themselves, by themselves, but Frumin has enough passion behind his campaign that friends and colleagues are door knocking for him as well.

Will it be enough to beat the Green Machine backing Goulet? We will see, but there is clearly more support and excitement around his campaign than any of the others in the race.

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Anonymous wrote:Is it too late for some of the candidates to drop out and consolidate against Goulet?

It was too late a month ago. But it was really said that Bergman, Duncan, Finley and Frumin couldn't figure it out. If Goulet wins, we can blame their egos for that.

I am not sure why you would blame Frumin. He has outraised everyone else in the race and most particularly by donors from Ward 3. He cannot ask or force others to come to the rational decision that the other campaigns are not as viable as his.

Tricia Duncan’s campaign, endorsed by Cheh, is not as viable as Frumin?

Bergman and Finely are ego campaigns and pretty sad ones at that. But the idea that only Frumin, the perennial loser candidate, is the only viable one to win is silly. How many times has he lost in the past?

She literally received 12 donations in the last month. 12. And only a couple of those after the so-called endorsement. That is anemic and shows that other than the Palisades community Association, her campaign has zero traction across the Ward.

This is a stupid point of comparison and irrelevant as a point of comparison. Frumin is literally Cheh’s campaign treasurer so he has a full donor list to work from. Monash has done well at fundraising, it’s totally meaningless as a gauge of anything.

There's really nothing else to go on. If you want to run a poll with 8 candidates, feel free.

Her donations are anemic, and pretty much only from the Palisades. She's a neighborhood candidate who got a boost from Cheh's choice to 'only choose a woman'.

Who knows, she might win. There are so many candidates 20-30% is likely enough to win.

In the absence of polling, most normal people usually track endorsements before weighting fundraising.

Here are Frumin;s endorsements: https://fruminforward3.com/endorsements/

The other main endorsements are split among Goulet, Bergman, Finley and Duncan. The fire fighters were the endorsement that launched the Cheh campaign in 2006. Frumin was able to secure that this year. In 2006, Cheh received the endorsement of Kathy Patterson, who encouraged her to run. The difference this year is that Cheh simply said she was going to vote for Duncan, but it wasn't a formal endorsement, and to date, I haven't receive any sort of email or mailing from Cheh encouraging voters to support Duncan. Patterson did that in a big way in 2006.

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Anonymous wrote:Is it too late for some of the candidates to drop out and consolidate against Goulet?

It was too late a month ago. But it was really said that Bergman, Duncan, Finley and Frumin couldn't figure it out. If Goulet wins, we can blame their egos for that.

I am not sure why you would blame Frumin. He has outraised everyone else in the race and most particularly by donors from Ward 3. He cannot ask or force others to come to the rational decision that the other campaigns are not as viable as his.

Tricia Duncan’s campaign, endorsed by Cheh, is not as viable as Frumin?

Bergman and Finely are ego campaigns and pretty sad ones at that. But the idea that only Frumin, the perennial loser candidate, is the only viable one to win is silly. How many times has he lost in the past?

She literally received 12 donations in the last month. 12. And only a couple of those after the so-called endorsement. That is anemic and shows that other than the Palisades community Association, her campaign has zero traction across the Ward.

This is a stupid point of comparison and irrelevant as a point of comparison. Frumin is literally Cheh’s campaign treasurer so he has a full donor list to work from. Monash has done well at fundraising, it’s totally meaningless as a gauge of anything.

Wouldn't that be a tell if it were true that Frumin was using Cheh's donor list and they, you know, were supporting him and not Duncan?

Maybe the Councilmember isn't the savviest retail politician out there?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote: Frumin is literally Cheh’s campaign treasurer so he has a full donor list to work from.

Cheh's donor lists have been public since OCF publishes who donates and this goes back for decades. Platforms like ActBlue and Nationbuilder, which all of the campaigns use, provide that information to the candidates and their campaigns. It isn't secret.

In other words, all of the campaigns know who in the ward have been supportive of Cheh over the different cycles. So being the treasurer in and of itself, is not an advantage. As such, the fact that Frumin's message resonates with the voters in the Ward in a more significant way than the other candidates, is a metric that people can go on the gauge support. In the alternative, the lack of support means either the candidate isn't trying or they are trying and the message is falling flat.

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Anonymous wrote:Is it too late for some of the candidates to drop out and consolidate against Goulet?

It was too late a month ago. But it was really said that Bergman, Duncan, Finley and Frumin couldn't figure it out. If Goulet wins, we can blame their egos for that.

I am not sure why you would blame Frumin. He has outraised everyone else in the race and most particularly by donors from Ward 3. He cannot ask or force others to come to the rational decision that the other campaigns are not as viable as his.

Tricia Duncan’s campaign, endorsed by Cheh, is not as viable as Frumin?

Bergman and Finely are ego campaigns and pretty sad ones at that. But the idea that only Frumin, the perennial loser candidate, is the only viable one to win is silly. How many times has he lost in the past?

She literally received 12 donations in the last month. 12. And only a couple of those after the so-called endorsement. That is anemic and shows that other than the Palisades community Association, her campaign has zero traction across the Ward.

This is a stupid point of comparison and irrelevant as a point of comparison. Frumin is literally Cheh’s campaign treasurer so he has a full donor list to work from. Monash has done well at fundraising, it’s totally meaningless as a gauge of anything.

Wouldn't that be a tell if it were true that Frumin was using Cheh's donor list and they, you know, were supporting him and not Duncan?

Maybe the Councilmember isn't the savviest retail politician out there?

What it tells me is that Frumin started at an advanced with the obvious, low-hanging fruit donors from his exposure as part of his role with Cheh and prior campaigns. It’s also just factually true that he started the race with higher name recognition.

Duncan’s task was always going to be to get traction outside Palisades. I’m not sure that she’s been that successful, however I don’t think the number of donations have anything to do with it. She didn’t position herself constructively on redistricting, so win over any reliable, primary voters in an off-year election in Cleveland Park. So it’s a stance that hurt her on net on an issue that could have given her a platform to show that she can differentiate herself and bridge boundaries.

But while I don’t think she’s going to win, I also don’t think she should drop out. Same as Frumin, he’s not going to win either but he’s earned the right to see this out.

Finley, on the other hand, should have dropped out the day after not getting the GGW endorsement because that is his whole campaign. Why he chose to stay in the race without that endorsement, I have no idea. Plus, he’s not even running a credible campaign. Where are his signs? If there was a priority it would be browbeating Finley into quitting the race.

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Anonymous wrote: Frumin is literally Cheh’s campaign treasurer so he has a full donor list to work from.

Cheh's donor lists have been public since OCF publishes who donates and this goes back for decades. Platforms like ActBlue and Nationbuilder, which all of the campaigns use, provide that information to the candidates and their campaigns. It isn't secret.

In other words, all of the campaigns know who in the ward have been supportive of Cheh over the different cycles. So being the treasurer in and of itself, is not an advantage. As such, the fact that Frumin's message resonates with the voters in the Ward in a more significant way than the other candidates, is a metric that people can go on the gauge support. In the alternative, the lack of support means either the candidate isn't trying or they are trying and the message is falling flat.

The lists are public but his job was literally to cultivate relationships with the donors. So he’s already called these people many times in the past and they would at least have some familiarity. They idea that you think it’s all about just the lists themselves tells me that you don’t really know a lot about how this stuff works.

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Anonymous wrote:Is it too late for some of the candidates to drop out and consolidate against Goulet?

It was too late a month ago. But it was really said that Bergman, Duncan, Finley and Frumin couldn't figure it out. If Goulet wins, we can blame their egos for that.

I am not sure why you would blame Frumin. He has outraised everyone else in the race and most particularly by donors from Ward 3. He cannot ask or force others to come to the rational decision that the other campaigns are not as viable as his.

Tricia Duncan’s campaign, endorsed by Cheh, is not as viable as Frumin?

Bergman and Finely are ego campaigns and pretty sad ones at that. But the idea that only Frumin, the perennial loser candidate, is the only viable one to win is silly. How many times has he lost in the past?

She literally received 12 donations in the last month. 12. And only a couple of those after the so-called endorsement. That is anemic and shows that other than the Palisades community Association, her campaign has zero traction across the Ward.

This is a stupid point of comparison and irrelevant as a point of comparison. Frumin is literally Cheh’s campaign treasurer so he has a full donor list to work from. Monash has done well at fundraising, it’s totally meaningless as a gauge of anything.

Wouldn't that be a tell if it were true that Frumin was using Cheh's donor list and they, you know, were supporting him and not Duncan?

Maybe the Councilmember isn't the savviest retail politician out there?

What it tells me is that Frumin started at an advanced with the obvious, low-hanging fruit donors from his exposure as part of his role with Cheh and prior campaigns. It’s also just factually true that he started the race with higher name recognition.

Duncan’s task was always going to be to get traction outside Palisades. I’m not sure that she’s been that successful, however I don’t think the number of donations have anything to do with it. She didn’t position herself constructively on redistricting, so win over any reliable, primary voters in an off-year election in Cleveland Park. So it’s a stance that hurt her on net on an issue that could have given her a platform to show that she can differentiate herself and bridge boundaries.

But while I don’t think she’s going to win, I also don’t think she should drop out. Same as Frumin, he’s not going to win either but he’s earned the right to see this out.

Finley, on the other hand, should have dropped out the day after not getting the GGW endorsement because that is his whole campaign. Why he chose to stay in the race without that endorsement, I have no idea. Plus, he’s not even running a credible campaign. Where are his signs? If there was a priority it would be browbeating Finley into quitting the race.

You're right that Finley should end his pointless campaign, but in Ward 3, the GGW endorsement is something close to the kiss of death. Bergmann is going to finish, what, fifth? Fourth at best?

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Anonymous wrote:Ward 3 really needed a NIMBY primary and a YIMBY primary. Goulet, Thomas, Monash and Krucoff could’ve squared off in the former and Duncan, Frumin, Bergman, Finley, Cohen, and Brown in the latter. Having primaries organized by national parties for Ward seats really makes no sense at all.

Thankfully we have democracy so people can choose candidates based on more than your one pet issue.

You may also want to consider the possibility that the population of Ward 3, or at least a plurality of the population of Ward 3, may have higher priorities.

Mind blowing, right?

OK. So what are the other cleavages over which candidates are differentiating themselves? If a first-past-the-post primary with a dozen candidates, many of whom espouse almost identical policies is your idea of democracy, then you need to get out a bit more.

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Anonymous wrote:Is it too late for some of the candidates to drop out and consolidate against Goulet?

It was too late a month ago. But it was really said that Bergman, Duncan, Finley and Frumin couldn't figure it out. If Goulet wins, we can blame their egos for that.

I am not sure why you would blame Frumin. He has outraised everyone else in the race and most particularly by donors from Ward 3. He cannot ask or force others to come to the rational decision that the other campaigns are not as viable as his.

Tricia Duncan’s campaign, endorsed by Cheh, is not as viable as Frumin?

Bergman and Finely are ego campaigns and pretty sad ones at that. But the idea that only Frumin, the perennial loser candidate, is the only viable one to win is silly. How many times has he lost in the past?

She literally received 12 donations in the last month. 12. And only a couple of those after the so-called endorsement. That is anemic and shows that other than the Palisades community Association, her campaign has zero traction across the Ward.

This is a stupid point of comparison and irrelevant as a point of comparison. Frumin is literally Cheh’s campaign treasurer so he has a full donor list to work from. Monash has done well at fundraising, it’s totally meaningless as a gauge of anything.

Wouldn't that be a tell if it were true that Frumin was using Cheh's donor list and they, you know, were supporting him and not Duncan?

Maybe the Councilmember isn't the savviest retail politician out there?

What it tells me is that Frumin started at an advanced with the obvious, low-hanging fruit donors from his exposure as part of his role with Cheh and prior campaigns. It’s also just factually true that he started the race with higher name recognition.

Duncan’s task was always going to be to get traction outside Palisades. I’m not sure that she’s been that successful, however I don’t think the number of donations have anything to do with it. She didn’t position herself constructively on redistricting, so win over any reliable, primary voters in an off-year election in Cleveland Park. So it’s a stance that hurt her on net on an issue that could have given her a platform to show that she can differentiate herself and bridge boundaries.

But while I don’t think she’s going to win, I also don’t think she should drop out. Same as Frumin, he’s not going to win either but he’s earned the right to see this out.

Finley, on the other hand, should have dropped out the day after not getting the GGW endorsement because that is his whole campaign. Why he chose to stay in the race without that endorsement, I have no idea. Plus, he’s not even running a credible campaign. Where are his signs? If there was a priority it would be browbeating Finley into quitting the race.

I really think you are underestimating the value of donations and yard signs, which generally go and in hand with them. Look at that DC Geek map, Duncan's donations are all from the first month and are generally located in her neighborhood. Frumin's are all over the ward, as a comparison.

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Anonymous wrote: Frumin is literally Cheh’s campaign treasurer so he has a full donor list to work from.

Cheh's donor lists have been public since OCF publishes who donates and this goes back for decades. Platforms like ActBlue and Nationbuilder, which all of the campaigns use, provide that information to the candidates and their campaigns. It isn't secret.

In other words, all of the campaigns know who in the ward have been supportive of Cheh over the different cycles. So being the treasurer in and of itself, is not an advantage. As such, the fact that Frumin's message resonates with the voters in the Ward in a more significant way than the other candidates, is a metric that people can go on the gauge support. In the alternative, the lack of support means either the candidate isn't trying or they are trying and the message is falling flat.

The lists are public but his job was literally to cultivate relationships with the donors. So he’s already called these people many times in the past and they would at least have some familiarity. They idea that you think it’s all about just the lists themselves tells me that you don’t really know a lot about how this stuff works.

LOL, I don't think you understand the role of a treasurer in a local DC race. He had nothing to do with cultivating relationships and everything to do with making sure all the books were right and that the filings with the office of campaign finance were accurate and timely.

The candidate is responsible for the fundraising and "cultivating" relationships.