Athletes have such an edge

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Anonymous wrote:There is nothing wrong with your kid putting hours and hours in to studying and homework, my kid just puts his time into sports. Both can end up on the same school. Colleges want both.

We are aware. Should higher education be focused on admitting more scholar scholars and less on admitting more scholar athletes? Some say yes and some say no.

1 vote for more scholar scholars.

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Anonymous wrote:There is nothing wrong with your kid putting hours and hours in to studying and homework, my kid just puts his time into sports. Both can end up on the same school. Colleges want both.

We are aware. Should higher education be focused on admitting more scholar scholars and less on admitting more scholar athletes? Some say yes and some say no.

1 vote for more scholar scholars.

So you want your kid to attend a school of all nerds that spend their hours studying and doing research? IMO college is about developing a person; academics is big part of that but not the entirety. You wouldn’t attend a school that was 100% classes. The college experience is more than studying - there are clubs, greek like, student government, etc.

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Anonymous wrote:I have no desire to offer tax-exempt status to colleges that admit athletes. Or to legacy and big donor kids. It’s a huge scam that siphons off needed taxes for the rich and spoiled.

Your kids are nerds. We get it.

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Anonymous wrote:There is nothing wrong with your kid putting hours and hours in to studying and homework, my kid just puts his time into sports. Both can end up on the same school. Colleges want both.

We are aware. Should higher education be focused on admitting more scholar scholars and less on admitting more scholar athletes? Some say yes and some say no.

1 vote for more scholar scholars.

So you want your kid to attend a school of all nerds that spend their hours studying and doing research? IMO college is about developing a person; academics is big part of that but not the entirety. You wouldn’t attend a school that was 100% classes. The college experience is more than studying - there are clubs, greek like, student government, etc.

I know students in other countries. They go to sporting events if they choose. They are admitted into higher academic programs because of academic achievement.

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Anonymous wrote:To be honest, I would be embarrassed if my kid had to take this route to get into a good college.

Plus, I would worry that he would have time and/or the capability to do well there (i.e., that he might eek through, but fail to actually gain a strong education).

Lots of kids are eeking thru at good colleges. Look at the soccer players at Duke - they were middle of the road gpa kids, didn't meet the SAT requirement, tried for ACT and were below criteria. Look at the roosters.

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Anonymous wrote:This is our culture. I agree it makes no sense. Really what do sports have to do with pursuit of higher education? I don't think.any other countries play collegiate sports like we do. But you have to accept it as it is just the way it is here.

You must not have played sports yourself. I think maybe you don't realize how much character it builds to play a sport competitively. It builds emotional and physical stamina, teamwork skills, requires incredible commitment, and teaches young people the value of hard work. As a woman, it also helped me develop a deep respect for myself and my body, beyond what it looked like or could do for men. I met people from all over the world and was exposed to dozens of cultures through my sport.

Also, it's not like athletes are 50% of the student body and none deserve to be there. They are a small percentage and they've all worked very hard to get where they are. I'm sorry it wasn't your pathway, but maybe you should realize that being born rich is a much, MUCH greater "edge" than playing a sport.

Athletes (not just high levels, even average level) face failure and adversity most kids in this area don't on a regular bases (especially living in one of the richest county in the US). Parents don't want their kid to "feel bad" so they shelter them with every kid gets a trophy. So when they become adults and finally face adversity, they don't know how to deal with it. If your kid plays on an average team, they will face one of these "loaded" travel teams and get their butts kicked. Rather than just say that travel teams is too good and is unfair.......should tell them those kids must have put in a lot hours in the weight room and practicing that is why they are so good.

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Anonymous wrote:Yes and 30% of spots go to international students. Test optional is not really for white or asian students especially males. It all sucks ...

More than 30% - more like 50%

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Anonymous wrote:To be honest, I would be embarrassed if my kid had to take this route to get into a good college.

Plus, I would worry that he would have time and/or the capability to do well there (i.e., that he might eek through, but fail to actually gain a strong education).

Lots of kids are eeking thru at good colleges. Look at the soccer players at Duke - they were middle of the road gpa kids, didn't meet the SAT requirement, tried for ACT and were below criteria. Look at the roosters.

Cockadoodle-doo!

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Spend as much time in the weight room as you want but that has little to do with academic achievement.

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Anonymous wrote:There is nothing wrong with your kid putting hours and hours in to studying and homework, my kid just puts his time into sports. Both can end up on the same school. Colleges want both.

We are aware. Should higher education be focused on admitting more scholar scholars and less on admitting more scholar athletes? Some say yes and some say no.

1 vote for more scholar scholars.

So you want your kid to attend a school of all nerds that spend their hours studying and doing research? IMO college is about developing a person; academics is big part of that but not the entirety. You wouldn’t attend a school that was 100% classes. The college experience is more than studying - there are clubs, greek like, student government, etc.

I know students in other countries. They go to sporting events if they choose. They are admitted into higher academic programs because of academic achievement.

You kid should go to a European school if it is so great. But you won’t because US schools are vastly superior on all levels.

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Anonymous wrote:You haven’t figured out that our society values sports over education?

But you can get into a good school with amazing academics and zero athletics, but if you have amazing athletics you still need academics that are far above average.

It's higher EDUCATION...not higher athletics.

Then you don't understand EDUCATION.

I don't give a rats ass if my lawyer or my investment advisor or my doctor can catch a ball. I need their brains...period.

College athlete is still a great proxy for work ethic. There's a reason that they also have an edge when applying to jobs.

This. They can take feedback, work hard, be a teammate, and persevere through adversity. And they have great time management skills, because to get recruited to the best schools they need a strong academic transcript on top of the elite sports skill.

I think it's the time management. Its much easier to have a perfect academic transcript if you have a couple of clubs that take an hour or two a week, but you generally get home before 5:00 and have the entire evening to study and work vs. an athlete who can easily have practice four days a week ranging from an hour to several hours that may be a long drive from home and weekends packed with games and have the expectation of doing strength training, cardio, and skills training outside of practice.

I get that the athlete likes the sport and is good at it and has to manage their time to do it. I have one on that track.

But the kid that wants to use their free time in the pursuit of knowledge and learn to manage time doing that is the one I want for my employee, or advisor or surgeon, etc. But you do you.

I guess you don't know that as a group, surgeons are statistically much more likely to have been college athletes than the regular population. There is a high correlation between surgery and college athletic experience. Go educate yourself.

Seems logical. I want a surgeon who can perform under pressure and has great hand eye coordination. The hours expected during internships and residency will be familiar to athletes, and downright relaxing to some.

+1

It always gives me a chuckle when I see the bitter athlete haters saying they don't want surgeons who were athletes when it is statistically reasonably likely that their surgeon actually was a college athlete.

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Anonymous wrote:For some BS collegiate sport like fencing where the "swordsman" would like not be able to make any team at his high school that has cuts.

You clearly don't have any understanding of fencing and what it takes to compete and succeed in that sport.

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Anonymous wrote:I have no desire to offer tax-exempt status to colleges that admit athletes. Or to legacy and big donor kids. It’s a huge scam that siphons off needed taxes for the rich and spoiled.

+1

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This whole thread is pointless. Athletes are not taking spots from non-athletes. Two separate buckets schools are looking to fill.

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Anonymous wrote:I have no desire to offer tax-exempt status to colleges that admit athletes. Or to legacy and big donor kids. It’s a huge scam that siphons off needed taxes for the rich and spoiled.

+1

+2 and the fact that in some states the highest paid public employee is the university’s football coach is shameful