Why are book banners showing up at FCPS SB meetings

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Anonymous wrote:I definitely don’t want mt kids reading that shit or having access to it at schools. I doubt the books are coming back.

See: Beloved at Lake Braddock Secondary. 2013. Don't hold your breath.

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Anonymous wrote:The images in that book as seen in the video above are beyond disturbing. A child receives oral sex from a man in one of them. Wow.

If it was cis pedo would fcps ban it?

Never would have even made the shelves. The only reason these made the shelves was under the guise of being inclusive to lgbtq. They need to find a gay friendly book without pedophilia. I’m sure there are a few out there.

I am pretty certain gay people want to to be seen as people with talents, passion and positivity, not just man-boy love 💗

So why can’t we find supportive books that aren’t pornographic, bordering on pedophilia? We can surely do better.

Serious question: are you turned on by these descriptions? To me, there is nothing remotely arousing about the language used or the descriptions. If a friend of mine describe to me sexual exploration he indulged in as a child with another child, it would not remotely turn me on. In the context of the chapter of this novel, it is also not even remotely arousing. Pornography, in contrast, is intended to be sexually arousing. There is a legal standard by which pornography is judged. There’s a lot of caselaw behind it. It Hass to be salacious with an intent to sexually arouse. No reasonable person could possibly think that either of these books is intended to sexually arouse it’s readers. No reasonable person is going to think that there is salacious intent in either the excerpt of the graphic novel or the excerpt of the book. I am quite certain that I reasonable committee reviewing both of these materials will conclude that it is within the school librarian‘s purview to add them to the collection if the school librarian thinks that they have merit for the students served by the collection. Unfortunately, all of this will be decided long after the November Election. Until then we will continue to see manufactured outrage frothing up a bunch of idiots who don’t bother to actually check any source material and are easily manipulated. And an extremely frightening level, it will have succeeded. The rest of us rational creatures, in the meantime, will continue to freak out about the dumbing down of America and the distraction of civilization.

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Anonymous wrote:The images in that book as seen in the video above are beyond disturbing. A child receives oral sex from a man in one of them. Wow.

If it was cis pedo would fcps ban it?

Never would have even made the shelves. The only reason these made the shelves was under the guise of being inclusive to lgbtq. They need to find a gay friendly book without pedophilia. I’m sure there are a few out there.

I am pretty certain gay people want to to be seen as people with talents, passion and positivity, not just man-boy love 💗

So why can’t we find supportive books that aren’t pornographic, bordering on pedophilia? We can surely do better.

Serious question: are you turned on by these descriptions? To me, there is nothing remotely arousing about the language used or the descriptions. If a friend of mine describe to me sexual exploration he indulged in as a child with another child, it would not remotely turn me on. In the context of the chapter of this novel, it is also not even remotely arousing. Pornography, in contrast, is intended to be sexually arousing. There is a legal standard by which pornography is judged. There’s a lot of caselaw behind it. It Hass to be salacious with an intent to sexually arouse. No reasonable person could possibly think that either of these books is intended to sexually arouse it’s readers. No reasonable person is going to think that there is salacious intent in either the excerpt of the graphic novel or the excerpt of the book. I am quite certain that I reasonable committee reviewing both of these materials will conclude that it is within the school librarian‘s purview to add them to the collection if the school librarian thinks that they have merit for the students served by the collection. Unfortunately, all of this will be decided long after the November Election. Until then we will continue to see manufactured outrage frothing up a bunch of idiots who don’t bother to actually check any source material and are easily manipulated. And an extremely frightening level, it will have succeeded. The rest of us rational creatures, in the meantime, will continue to freak out about the dumbing down of America and the distraction of civilization.

THANK YOU. I would bet big bucks that these titles will stay in libraries when all is said and done. Why? Because the regulation states that books are added to the library by the librarian under the direction of the building principal using the guidelines set forth in the FCPS collection development reg and the buildings own collection development policy. The FCPS policy states the book must have two positive reviews or be previewed by a librarian. Both of these books do indeed have two positive reviews and are written for a high school audience.

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THANK YOU. I would bet big bucks that these titles will stay in libraries when all is said and done. Why? Because the regulation states that books are added to the library by the librarian under the direction of the building principal using the guidelines set forth in the FCPS collection development reg and the buildings own collection development policy. The FCPS policy states the book must have two positive reviews or be previewed by a librarian. Both of these books do indeed have two positive reviews and are written for a high school audience.

Two good reviews by whom? Do negative reviews have any impact?

I'm willing to bet the principals never even heard of these books.

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Anonymous wrote:The images in that book as seen in the video above are beyond disturbing. A child receives oral sex from a man in one of them. Wow.

If it was cis pedo would fcps ban it?

Never would have even made the shelves. The only reason these made the shelves was under the guise of being inclusive to lgbtq. They need to find a gay friendly book without pedophilia. I’m sure there are a few out there.

I am pretty certain gay people want to to be seen as people with talents, passion and positivity, not just man-boy love 💗

So why can’t we find supportive books that aren’t pornographic, bordering on pedophilia? We can surely do better.

Serious question: are you turned on by these descriptions? To me, there is nothing remotely arousing about the language used or the descriptions. If a friend of mine describe to me sexual exploration he indulged in as a child with another child, it would not remotely turn me on. In the context of the chapter of this novel, it is also not even remotely arousing. Pornography, in contrast, is intended to be sexually arousing. There is a legal standard by which pornography is judged. There’s a lot of caselaw behind it. It Hass to be salacious with an intent to sexually arouse. No reasonable person could possibly think that either of these books is intended to sexually arouse it’s readers. No reasonable person is going to think that there is salacious intent in either the excerpt of the graphic novel or the excerpt of the book. I am quite certain that I reasonable committee reviewing both of these materials will conclude that it is within the school librarian‘s purview to add them to the collection if the school librarian thinks that they have merit for the students served by the collection. Unfortunately, all of this will be decided long after the November Election. Until then we will continue to see manufactured outrage frothing up a bunch of idiots who don’t bother to actually check any source material and are easily manipulated. And an extremely frightening level, it will have succeeded. The rest of us rational creatures, in the meantime, will continue to freak out about the dumbing down of America and the distraction of civilization.

I think you need to ask yourself what you are actually defending, and why. To suggest that the removal of books that recount and graphically portray risky sexual behavior among minors in a casual manner inexorably leads to the dumbing down of America is not very persuasive and suggests yet another display of glaring hypocrisy among those who, for purely political reasons, are rushing to defend the inclusion of these particular books in public school libraries.

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THANK YOU. I would bet big bucks that these titles will stay in libraries when all is said and done. Why? Because the regulation states that books are added to the library by the librarian under the direction of the building principal using the guidelines set forth in the FCPS collection development reg and the buildings own collection development policy. The FCPS policy states the book must have two positive reviews or be previewed by a librarian. Both of these books do indeed have two positive reviews and are written for a high school audience.

Two good reviews by whom? Do negative reviews have any impact?

I'm willing to bet the principals never even heard of these books.

Reviews in what are considered to by professional literature journals (ex: School Library Journal, Publishers Weekly, Booklist). And yes, negative reviews would be weighed. The principal reviews the collection development policy with the librarians each year. So no, they dont know every book in the collection, but they are having conversations about what books are being added. Large high school libraries probably receivee about 1,000 books a year (not all new titles, some replacements or additional copies). The librarians cannot read every title, thus the existence of professional review journals used by many, many libraries across the US.

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There was no incest, rape, or torture in the book. And the book is in high school libraries (and two secondary libraries, but what are they supposed to do...only have content appropriate for middle schoolers in a high school library), so a 6th grader would not have access to it.

Do they really need this book? What are the redeeming qualities of it that require that horrible language?

But, remember, there is another book being discussed. The other is a graphic novel with extremely explicit pictures. Please tell us the redeeming qualities of that book.

And, frankly, I find discussion of fellatio between two fourth grade boys extremely offensive. Porn? Maybe not. The language is certainly graphic

The term “graphic novel “refers to the format of the book. The illustration itself is far from “graphic”. It is certainly nothing more explicit than one would see in a PG-13 movie, and it is a cartoon. A drawn cartoon. Like a comic book. So I comic book with one frame that illustrates the sex acts non-explicit way. I do understand that that may be alarming to your sensibilities, but compared to the steady diet of media with scantily clad people and explicit sex acts detailed, as well as the ready availability of pornography on any students phone or other devices,
It barely even registers. The only people outraged were shocked by this are the people who are hearing all of us described out of context without actually seeing at themselves because they are being duped by people who want to turn this into a giant political issue.

Teens have been having sex since the dawn of civilizations, doesn’t mean we need to include a graphic book about that in a middle/high school library.
Would you have this book on your desk at work? Would you wear shorts to visit a house of religion? This is about what’s appropriate in a public space, not about wether the behavior is common or not.

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I think you need to ask yourself what you are actually defending, and why. To suggest that the removal of books that recount and graphically portray risky sexual behavior among minors in a casual manner inexorably leads to the dumbing down of America is not very persuasive and suggests yet another display of glaring hypocrisy among those who, for purely political reasons, are rushing to defend the inclusion of these particular books in public school libraries.

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Thanks for using common sense.

[Anonymous]

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I think you need to ask yourself what you are actually defending, and why. To suggest that the removal of books that recount and graphically portray risky sexual behavior among minors in a casual manner inexorably leads to the dumbing down of America is not very persuasive and suggests yet another display of glaring hypocrisy among those who, for purely political reasons, are rushing to defend the inclusion of these particular books in public school libraries.

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Thanks for using common sense.

This whole faux outrage is 100% driven for political reasons so I'm sure you'll want to call that out as well.

Did either of you actually read the books? They are fine.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

I think you need to ask yourself what you are actually defending, and why. To suggest that the removal of books that recount and graphically portray risky sexual behavior among minors in a casual manner inexorably leads to the dumbing down of America is not very persuasive and suggests yet another display of glaring hypocrisy among those who, for purely political reasons, are rushing to defend the inclusion of these particular books in public school libraries.

+1
Thanks for using common sense.

This whole faux outrage is 100% driven for political reasons so I'm sure you'll want to call that out as well.

Did either of you actually read the books? They are fine.

There are many of us out there who don’t think they are fine. Your kids can go ahead and access them at the public library. But we don’t want that smut at the school library. Hell no.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

I think you need to ask yourself what you are actually defending, and why. To suggest that the removal of books that recount and graphically portray risky sexual behavior among minors in a casual manner inexorably leads to the dumbing down of America is not very persuasive and suggests yet another display of glaring hypocrisy among those who, for purely political reasons, are rushing to defend the inclusion of these particular books in public school libraries.

+1
Thanks for using common sense.

+1,000,000

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

I think you need to ask yourself what you are actually defending, and why. To suggest that the removal of books that recount and graphically portray risky sexual behavior among minors in a casual manner inexorably leads to the dumbing down of America is not very persuasive and suggests yet another display of glaring hypocrisy among those who, for purely political reasons, are rushing to defend the inclusion of these particular books in public school libraries.

+1
Thanks for using common sense.

This whole faux outrage is 100% driven for political reasons so I'm sure you'll want to call that out as well.

Did either of you actually read the books? They are fine.

There are many of us out there who don’t think they are fine. Your kids can go ahead and access them at the public library. But we don’t want that smut at the school library. Hell no.

Why do you think they aren't fine? Did you actually read them?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

I think you need to ask yourself what you are actually defending, and why. To suggest that the removal of books that recount and graphically portray risky sexual behavior among minors in a casual manner inexorably leads to the dumbing down of America is not very persuasive and suggests yet another display of glaring hypocrisy among those who, for purely political reasons, are rushing to defend the inclusion of these particular books in public school libraries.

+1
Thanks for using common sense.

+1,000,000

Common sense isn’t something that Karl Frisch and his “allies” have ever brought to the table, so no one should expect them to start now. They are just an embarrassment to the county.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I definitely don’t want mt kids reading that shit or having access to it at schools. I doubt the books are coming back.

Likely just be "The Art of the Deal" in schools from now on for Fairfax County.

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Anonymous wrote:I definitely don’t want mt kids reading that shit or having access to it at schools. I doubt the books are coming back.

Likely just be "The Art of the Deal" in schools from now on for Fairfax County.

Why are all the "pro" people the ones using politics?