Johnny Depp trial in Fairfax County

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^^again it really comes down to how one defines dv. Emotional abuse and terrifying rages do count as abuse. One doesn’t need to be guilty of “wife beating” to be guilty of dv. I think she might have embellished some things, not sure, but do I think he hurled his phone at her face in the midst of a drunken rage? Yes. Do I think he hurt he in ways he may not even remember, even if she didn’t need to seek medical treatment? Yes.

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So do I think he was abusive when drunk/high? Yes. Do I think she was also emotionally toxic and abusive? Yes. I don’t think either of them comes out of this well, and find those who elevate one side and demonize the other suspicious.

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I understand that Depp is suing for defamation.

I do not understand why they have spent so much time talking about the poop on the bed. While it's disgusting, what does it have to do with a defamation case particularly when their is no proof what (dogs) or who (Heard, Depp or anyone else) left it there?

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Anonymous wrote:I don't know what the truth is between these two people, but I am so troubled by the tenor of the comments about Amber Heard. I can't remember the last time there has been such online viciousness all against a single celebrity in a he said/she said situation. The misogyny here makes me seriously worried for my daughter. If Amber Heard is lying and has had a multi-year plan to increase her profile, that is a bummer. But the thousands of people coming after her online, trying to end her career (the petition to have her removed from Aquaman) and publicly shamed - what in the world is happening? That guy from Empire (Smolett?) faked his assault for publicity and was convicted and didn't go through 10% of this hatred.

Hard agree. This has been freaking me out also. Thanks for saying this!

Absolutely agree. And so many fronting like Johnny’s avenging angels wtf? It’s clear he was/is an alcoholic and an addict who was prone to violent rages and who behaved beyond unprofessionally on set until Disney couldn’t take it anymore. I personally think the truth lies somewhere in the middle of these two unlikable people, and cannot believe so many believe Johnny is some kind of an angelic victim. It’s sick.

I also agree! People are saying how likable he is and how horrible she is. The guy sent texts talking about burning and killing her. He's an unstable drug addict who definitely verbally abused her and probably wouldn't even remember if he hit her based on how messed up he was during the recordings. Also, I'm sick of people saying "why did she record their fight?", "She was setting him up!" in domestic abuse if you don't document the incidents, people are not going to believe you. That is the ONLY thing being proven by this case. She's definately messed up too, but he's the one dragging this out and is set on publicly humiliating her.

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Misogyny is alive and thriving.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't know what the truth is between these two people, but I am so troubled by the tenor of the comments about Amber Heard. I can't remember the last time there has been such online viciousness all against a single celebrity in a he said/she said situation. The misogyny here makes me seriously worried for my daughter. If Amber Heard is lying and has had a multi-year plan to increase her profile, that is a bummer. But the thousands of people coming after her online, trying to end her career (the petition to have her removed from Aquaman) and publicly shamed - what in the world is happening? That guy from Empire (Smolett?) faked his assault for publicity and was convicted and didn't go through 10% of this hatred.

Hard agree. This has been freaking me out also. Thanks for saying this!

Absolutely agree. And so many fronting like Johnny’s avenging angels wtf? It’s clear he was/is an alcoholic and an addict who was prone to violent rages and who behaved beyond unprofessionally on set until Disney couldn’t take it anymore. I personally think the truth lies somewhere in the middle of these two unlikable people, and cannot believe so many believe Johnny is some kind of an angelic victim. It’s sick.

I also agree! People are saying how likable he is and how horrible she is. The guy sent texts talking about burning and killing her. He's an unstable drug addict who definitely verbally abused her and probably wouldn't even remember if he hit her based on how messed up he was during the recordings. Also, I'm sick of people saying "why did she record their fight?", "She was setting him up!" in domestic abuse if you don't document the incidents, people are not going to believe you. That is the ONLY thing being proven by this case. She's definately messed up too, but he's the one dragging this out and is set on publicly humiliating her.

100% He is a coddled man child who's never taken responsibility for a damn thing in his life. Look at how he talked about the mother of his children, he's disgusting!

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Anonymous wrote:Oh come on. It's clear that Depp is a much more serious drug user than Heard. You guys are equating apples and oranges because in your head he has to be an okay guy.

Look at the way he talked about her. Look at the way he tried to control her. Did you hear how he behaved about her doing sex scenes? Seeing a sex scene of her in a movie where it was actually a body double and going completely nuts? wtf?

But somehow you look at that as all right and she is the villain?

She could have gotten $32 million in the divorce settlement and she took just $7 and pledged it to charity, and you guys are still mad because she has only herself paid about $1M of that so far? Even though it's a greater tax write off if she pays it over time, and now she herself is getting sued for $50 mil?

Oh but he played a funny pirate in a movie series though. And he's funny and sort of handsome. And she is not an angel, so your sympathies are with him. You guys are the worst.

Women like you are the worst. I think it's been pretty unanimous here that based on the evidence (facts) both were abusers to each other. People like you, that side with the female because she's a female, do nothing for the female right's movement and protecting victims of domestic violence. She doesn't get a free pass because she's a woman.

wow. Her slapping him a few times is not the same thing as him raping her with a bottle, or doing a crevice search for his cocaine because he was jonesing for a hit, or destroying property around her in a wake of violence.

Moreover, her op ed doesn't claim anywhere that she never slapped him. She doesn't need to prove that she never slapped him. He sued her for defamation, which means he needs to prove that she lied about being abused. So he needs to prove he didn't abuse her, and I don't think he's doing that. He seems to have been very abusive, JMHO.

NP. The bolded is not believable. She said she was bleeding, damaged and sore, yet she did not seek medical attention. That is just not believable. She would have sought medical attention if for no other reason but to make sure severe damage did not occur as a result of the bottle. Was it a glass bottle? Was the bottle chipped and she was cut? Questions that have not be answered, but if I was on a jury this is the one thing I would question. She didn't even bother to get a check-up with her private OB-GYN. Nope, not believable

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Anonymous wrote:I wonder why he married her in the first place considering he didn’t marry his long time partner whom he had kids with. I also wonder if it Heard was like a Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde and was nice while dating but then became abusive after they got married because no one normal would go through with a marriage if they experienced this kind of behavior from their partner.

You don’t understand anything about domestic violence, which impacts tens of millions of women children and men. Plenty of normal people marry people who treat them badly including violent outbursts, controlling behavior, emotional abuse. It happens all the time.

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Anonymous wrote:Oh come on. It's clear that Depp is a much more serious drug user than Heard. You guys are equating apples and oranges because in your head he has to be an okay guy.

Look at the way he talked about her. Look at the way he tried to control her. Did you hear how he behaved about her doing sex scenes? Seeing a sex scene of her in a movie where it was actually a body double and going completely nuts? wtf?

But somehow you look at that as all right and she is the villain?

She could have gotten $32 million in the divorce settlement and she took just $7 and pledged it to charity, and you guys are still mad because she has only herself paid about $1M of that so far? Even though it's a greater tax write off if she pays it over time, and now she herself is getting sued for $50 mil?

Oh but he played a funny pirate in a movie series though. And he's funny and sort of handsome. And she is not an angel, so your sympathies are with him. You guys are the worst.

Women like you are the worst. I think it's been pretty unanimous here that based on the evidence (facts) both were abusers to each other. People like you, that side with the female because she's a female, do nothing for the female right's movement and protecting victims of domestic violence. She doesn't get a free pass because she's a woman.

wow. Her slapping him a few times is not the same thing as him raping her with a bottle, or doing a crevice search for his cocaine because he was jonesing for a hit, or destroying property around her in a wake of violence.

Moreover, her op ed doesn't claim anywhere that she never slapped him. She doesn't need to prove that she never slapped him. He sued her for defamation, which means he needs to prove that she lied about being abused. So he needs to prove he didn't abuse her, and I don't think he's doing that. He seems to have been very abusive, JMHO.

NP. The bolded is not believable. She said she was bleeding, damaged and sore, yet she did not seek medical attention. That is just not believable. She would have sought medical attention if for no other reason but to make sure severe damage did not occur as a result of the bottle. Was it a glass bottle? Was the bottle chipped and she was cut? Questions that have not be answered, but if I was on a jury this is the one thing I would question. She didn't even bother to get a check-up with her private OB-GYN. Nope, not believable

Domestic abuse victims hide the abuse for as long as they can because they are embarrassed. If this truly happened and it was before she decided she was going to leave him, I can completely understand her being too embarrassed to go to the hospital. It also could have started as a sex game that went too far furthering the embarrasment.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Oh come on. It's clear that Depp is a much more serious drug user than Heard. You guys are equating apples and oranges because in your head he has to be an okay guy.

Look at the way he talked about her. Look at the way he tried to control her. Did you hear how he behaved about her doing sex scenes? Seeing a sex scene of her in a movie where it was actually a body double and going completely nuts? wtf?

But somehow you look at that as all right and she is the villain?

She could have gotten $32 million in the divorce settlement and she took just $7 and pledged it to charity, and you guys are still mad because she has only herself paid about $1M of that so far? Even though it's a greater tax write off if she pays it over time, and now she herself is getting sued for $50 mil?

Oh but he played a funny pirate in a movie series though. And he's funny and sort of handsome. And she is not an angel, so your sympathies are with him. You guys are the worst.

Women like you are the worst. I think it's been pretty unanimous here that based on the evidence (facts) both were abusers to each other. People like you, that side with the female because she's a female, do nothing for the female right's movement and protecting victims of domestic violence. She doesn't get a free pass because she's a woman.

wow. Her slapping him a few times is not the same thing as him raping her with a bottle, or doing a crevice search for his cocaine because he was jonesing for a hit, or destroying property around her in a wake of violence.

Moreover, her op ed doesn't claim anywhere that she never slapped him. She doesn't need to prove that she never slapped him. He sued her for defamation, which means he needs to prove that she lied about being abused. So he needs to prove he didn't abuse her, and I don't think he's doing that. He seems to have been very abusive, JMHO.

NP. The bolded is not believable. She said she was bleeding, damaged and sore, yet she did not seek medical attention. That is just not believable. She would have sought medical attention if for no other reason but to make sure severe damage did not occur as a result of the bottle. Was it a glass bottle? Was the bottle chipped and she was cut? Questions that have not be answered, but if I was on a jury this is the one thing I would question. She didn't even bother to get a check-up with her private OB-GYN. Nope, not believable

Domestic abuse victims hide the abuse for as long as they can because they are embarrassed. If this truly happened and it was before she decided she was going to leave him, I can completely understand her being too embarrassed to go to the hospital. It also could have started as a sex game that went too far furthering the embarrasment.

When I was an intern we had a case where a woman had stabbed her husband (there were witnesses). He had tons of injuries he'd never been to the hospital for (the doctor could tell on the X ray).

Also, some people might be surprised to learn that not only did he not cooperate, he yelled at the prosecutor when she was convicted. Abuse psychology is very complicated.

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Anonymous wrote:Oh come on. It's clear that Depp is a much more serious drug user than Heard. You guys are equating apples and oranges because in your head he has to be an okay guy.

Look at the way he talked about her. Look at the way he tried to control her. Did you hear how he behaved about her doing sex scenes? Seeing a sex scene of her in a movie where it was actually a body double and going completely nuts? wtf?

But somehow you look at that as all right and she is the villain?

She could have gotten $32 million in the divorce settlement and she took just $7 and pledged it to charity, and you guys are still mad because she has only herself paid about $1M of that so far? Even though it's a greater tax write off if she pays it over time, and now she herself is getting sued for $50 mil?

Oh but he played a funny pirate in a movie series though. And he's funny and sort of handsome. And she is not an angel, so your sympathies are with him. You guys are the worst.

Women like you are the worst. I think it's been pretty unanimous here that based on the evidence (facts) both were abusers to each other. People like you, that side with the female because she's a female, do nothing for the female right's movement and protecting victims of domestic violence. She doesn't get a free pass because she's a woman.

wow. Her slapping him a few times is not the same thing as him raping her with a bottle, or doing a crevice search for his cocaine because he was jonesing for a hit, or destroying property around her in a wake of violence.

Moreover, her op ed doesn't claim anywhere that she never slapped him. She doesn't need to prove that she never slapped him. He sued her for defamation, which means he needs to prove that she lied about being abused. So he needs to prove he didn't abuse her, and I don't think he's doing that. He seems to have been very abusive, JMHO.

NP. The bolded is not believable. She said she was bleeding, damaged and sore, yet she did not seek medical attention. That is just not believable. She would have sought medical attention if for no other reason but to make sure severe damage did not occur as a result of the bottle. Was it a glass bottle? Was the bottle chipped and she was cut? Questions that have not be answered, but if I was on a jury this is the one thing I would question. She didn't even bother to get a check-up with her private OB-GYN. Nope, not believable

Not sure you've ever been raped by a significant other. What do you think she's going to do, go to an emergency room? Getting an appointment with your gynecologist usually schedules out about a month in advance. She could do this if she wanted to go to an emergency room, or maybe if she wanted to go to a clinic. Otherwise it's going to be a hassle, and moreover she's probably going to have to answer some questions.

The description of "bleeding, damaged, and sore" could indicate varying degrees of injury. It may not be something an emergency room is required for. Some women get this from regular sex without enough lube. The point here is that it was not consensual and it hurt her. I don't think anyone suggested it was a broken bottle.

And if she HAD gone to the doctor, and had the injuries documented, for some of you it would still not be enough proof of non consensual sex, or that it was done by JD. It's a total catch 22 for women. The reactions from Depp supporters is so nuts to me.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Oh come on. It's clear that Depp is a much more serious drug user than Heard. You guys are equating apples and oranges because in your head he has to be an okay guy.

Look at the way he talked about her. Look at the way he tried to control her. Did you hear how he behaved about her doing sex scenes? Seeing a sex scene of her in a movie where it was actually a body double and going completely nuts? wtf?

But somehow you look at that as all right and she is the villain?

She could have gotten $32 million in the divorce settlement and she took just $7 and pledged it to charity, and you guys are still mad because she has only herself paid about $1M of that so far? Even though it's a greater tax write off if she pays it over time, and now she herself is getting sued for $50 mil?

Oh but he played a funny pirate in a movie series though. And he's funny and sort of handsome. And she is not an angel, so your sympathies are with him. You guys are the worst.

Women like you are the worst. I think it's been pretty unanimous here that based on the evidence (facts) both were abusers to each other. People like you, that side with the female because she's a female, do nothing for the female right's movement and protecting victims of domestic violence. She doesn't get a free pass because she's a woman.

wow. Her slapping him a few times is not the same thing as him raping her with a bottle, or doing a crevice search for his cocaine because he was jonesing for a hit, or destroying property around her in a wake of violence.

Moreover, her op ed doesn't claim anywhere that she never slapped him. She doesn't need to prove that she never slapped him. He sued her for defamation, which means he needs to prove that she lied about being abused. So he needs to prove he didn't abuse her, and I don't think he's doing that. He seems to have been very abusive, JMHO.

NP. The bolded is not believable. She said she was bleeding, damaged and sore, yet she did not seek medical attention. That is just not believable. She would have sought medical attention if for no other reason but to make sure severe damage did not occur as a result of the bottle. Was it a glass bottle? Was the bottle chipped and she was cut? Questions that have not be answered, but if I was on a jury this is the one thing I would question. She didn't even bother to get a check-up with her private OB-GYN. Nope, not believable

Domestic abuse victims hide the abuse for as long as they can because they are embarrassed. If this truly happened and it was before she decided she was going to leave him, I can completely understand her being too embarrassed to go to the hospital. It also could have started as a sex game that went too far furthering the embarrasment.

When I was an intern we had a case where a woman had stabbed her husband (there were witnesses). He had tons of injuries he'd never been to the hospital for (the doctor could tell on the X ray).

Also, some people might be surprised to learn that not only did he not cooperate, he yelled at the prosecutor when she was convicted. Abuse psychology is very complicated.

Normally, yes. What’s abnormal is her failure to document injuries since she’s clearly a documenter. I think he abused her. I also think she’s made up some of the allegations and she’s lied. She lied about pledged versus donated meaning the same thing to her. She lied about writing on the mirror to call Carly Simon and then crossing it out before pictures were taken. That doesn’t mean I also think she’s lying about the abuse. I don’t. They’re both crazy but I think he doesn’t prove defamation.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Oh come on. It's clear that Depp is a much more serious drug user than Heard. You guys are equating apples and oranges because in your head he has to be an okay guy.

Look at the way he talked about her. Look at the way he tried to control her. Did you hear how he behaved about her doing sex scenes? Seeing a sex scene of her in a movie where it was actually a body double and going completely nuts? wtf?

But somehow you look at that as all right and she is the villain?

She could have gotten $32 million in the divorce settlement and she took just $7 and pledged it to charity, and you guys are still mad because she has only herself paid about $1M of that so far? Even though it's a greater tax write off if she pays it over time, and now she herself is getting sued for $50 mil?

Oh but he played a funny pirate in a movie series though. And he's funny and sort of handsome. And she is not an angel, so your sympathies are with him. You guys are the worst.

Women like you are the worst. I think it's been pretty unanimous here that based on the evidence (facts) both were abusers to each other. People like you, that side with the female because she's a female, do nothing for the female right's movement and protecting victims of domestic violence. She doesn't get a free pass because she's a woman.

wow. Her slapping him a few times is not the same thing as him raping her with a bottle, or doing a crevice search for his cocaine because he was jonesing for a hit, or destroying property around her in a wake of violence.

Moreover, her op ed doesn't claim anywhere that she never slapped him. She doesn't need to prove that she never slapped him. He sued her for defamation, which means he needs to prove that she lied about being abused. So he needs to prove he didn't abuse her, and I don't think he's doing that. He seems to have been very abusive, JMHO.

NP. The bolded is not believable. She said she was bleeding, damaged and sore, yet she did not seek medical attention. That is just not believable. She would have sought medical attention if for no other reason but to make sure severe damage did not occur as a result of the bottle. Was it a glass bottle? Was the bottle chipped and she was cut? Questions that have not be answered, but if I was on a jury this is the one thing I would question. She didn't even bother to get a check-up with her private OB-GYN. Nope, not believable

Domestic abuse victims hide the abuse for as long as they can because they are embarrassed. If this truly happened and it was before she decided she was going to leave him, I can completely understand her being too embarrassed to go to the hospital. It also could have started as a sex game that went too far furthering the embarrasment.

Based on AH's own testimony she was not embarrassed. She was telling anyone who would listen. Testimony is that she told her sister, make-up artist, Musk and maybe others. So again, even if I was to believe all the other things she testified about regarding abuse, I cannot get pass her lack of medical treatment for anything, especially one as violent as a rape with a bottle. It just is not believable to me. And before you mention what I do or do not know about DV, I know more than I would ever want to know. And perhaps that is why AH's testimony is not resonating with me. I believe she has done a disservice to the DV community. She should have never written that article, as if she was an innocent. Mind you, JD is not an innocent, but AH just made it more difficult for DV victims to be believed. She too was an abuser. She reminds me of people who talk so poorly about LGB people to make themselves feel better, but they are closeted LGB.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Oh come on. It's clear that Depp is a much more serious drug user than Heard. You guys are equating apples and oranges because in your head he has to be an okay guy.

Look at the way he talked about her. Look at the way he tried to control her. Did you hear how he behaved about her doing sex scenes? Seeing a sex scene of her in a movie where it was actually a body double and going completely nuts? wtf?

But somehow you look at that as all right and she is the villain?

She could have gotten $32 million in the divorce settlement and she took just $7 and pledged it to charity, and you guys are still mad because she has only herself paid about $1M of that so far? Even though it's a greater tax write off if she pays it over time, and now she herself is getting sued for $50 mil?

Oh but he played a funny pirate in a movie series though. And he's funny and sort of handsome. And she is not an angel, so your sympathies are with him. You guys are the worst.

Women like you are the worst. I think it's been pretty unanimous here that based on the evidence (facts) both were abusers to each other. People like you, that side with the female because she's a female, do nothing for the female right's movement and protecting victims of domestic violence. She doesn't get a free pass because she's a woman.

wow. Her slapping him a few times is not the same thing as him raping her with a bottle, or doing a crevice search for his cocaine because he was jonesing for a hit, or destroying property around her in a wake of violence.

Moreover, her op ed doesn't claim anywhere that she never slapped him. She doesn't need to prove that she never slapped him. He sued her for defamation, which means he needs to prove that she lied about being abused. So he needs to prove he didn't abuse her, and I don't think he's doing that. He seems to have been very abusive, JMHO.

NP. The bolded is not believable. She said she was bleeding, damaged and sore, yet she did not seek medical attention. That is just not believable. She would have sought medical attention if for no other reason but to make sure severe damage did not occur as a result of the bottle. Was it a glass bottle? Was the bottle chipped and she was cut? Questions that have not be answered, but if I was on a jury this is the one thing I would question. She didn't even bother to get a check-up with her private OB-GYN. Nope, not believable

Not sure you've ever been raped by a significant other. What do you think she's going to do, go to an emergency room? Getting an appointment with your gynecologist usually schedules out about a month in advance. She could do this if she wanted to go to an emergency room, or maybe if she wanted to go to a clinic. Otherwise it's going to be a hassle, and moreover she's probably going to have to answer some questions.

The description of "bleeding, damaged, and sore" could indicate varying degrees of injury. It may not be something an emergency room is required for. Some women get this from regular sex without enough lube. The point here is that it was not consensual and it hurt her. I don't think anyone suggested it was a broken bottle.

And if she HAD gone to the doctor, and had the injuries documented, for some of you it would still not be enough proof of non consensual sex, or that it was done by JD. It's a total catch 22 for women. The reactions from Depp supporters is so nuts to me.

I refuse to go tit for tat with you on this matter. Rich and famous people do not have to wait months to see their concierge doctors. Stop making excuses for the inexcusable. AH has hurt real DV victims and if others latch on to her fake rape accusations, she has definitely caused damage to women who have been raped. She tried to be a poster child for DV victims without disclosing that she too was a DV aggressor. She failed because now by disclosing JD's abuse she inadvertently disclosed her own bad behavior. There is a saying, "when you dig a grave for a person, you better dig two, one for you and one them".

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Anonymous wrote:Camille Vasquez is sinking.

What are you talking about?

Not pp but Camille Vasquez want to get into Depp's pants for sure!

He's gross and his slurred druggy speech drives me nuts.

I bet they date especially if he wins. He’ll look at her like a savior.