Official Brett Kavanaugh Thread, Part 4

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I'm still trying to figure out what his letter means in these scope of things. That a bunch of high school/college guys got drunk while at the beach. Nothing in that letter is any different then anything he said in testimony.

You are exactly right. But, the people who think he absolutely, no doubt about it, must have done this see this as incontrovertible proof that he is a rapist.
When, in fact, it shows he was an immature, but organized teenager.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Interesting water cooler talk in my office today. 4 co-workers. All DMV professionals. Aged 30-45. 2 white women, 1 white male, one AA male. One grew up in the DMV and went through FCPS. One from the South. One from the Midwest. some public HS, some private. Ect.

We all believe Ford, because we all knew the Bart O’Kavanaughs in our HS classes. The members of the football/basketball teams who hosted the keggers and did whatever it took to get under the cheerleaders’ skirts. They drank underage, and drove underage. In fact, one of the Bart’s in my high school was driving drunk and killed a cheerleader in an car accident my freshman year. He ended up in jail. And usually didn’t let little things like lack of consent stop them if they found themselves alone in a car with a girl. Three of us went to colleges where bad things happened at DKE parties. At my college, they were kicked off campus a couple years after I graduated.

The point is that we now literally have 700 pages of discussion about this for a reason. Yes, SCOTUS is important. And yes, this has become the train wreck you can’t look away from. But for many of us, what Ford is saying just rings true. We saw it happen in our high schools. We heard the whispers about the girls Monday mornings. We know girls who were date raped and became the talk of the school. We know that, for the most part, the boys went on to have pretty wives and nice UMC lives, occasionally punctuated by rehab stints. Then again, it is not uncommon for them to cheat on those women.

So now, you have two groups of people. Those who never thought it was fair that the Bart O’Kavanughs of the world were so untouchable and could get way with anything. And women especially are angry that took advantage of us, and then made jokes about the xxx alumni in the high school yearbook. We want Kavanugh voted down because we want it to be clear that what happened to us was not okay, and as a country we have come to realize that. We know that if Kavanaugh is seated, it says to the 2018 high school aged Bart O’Kavanaughs that they can take advantage of our daughters.

And I would imagine that it is dawning on all the Bart O’Kavanaughs out there that #MeToo could be coming for them.

This is so not about who did what to whom in the 1980s in Bethesda. Or a bar fights or what a Devils Triangle is. Or even liberals and conservatives. It’s about power. The power of the wealthy and men to get what they want at the expense of others. The power of women to have an equal say. In sex, in politics, at home, and in high school.

I am so over Ford and Brett and Sqi and PJ and why was the music already on. But I care 700 pages of DCUM about this because I want the Bart O’Kavanaugh of my DD’s high school to think twice before he touching my DD without her consent.

What you're effectively saying that despite believing Ford it also doesn't really matter whether or not Brett Kavanaugh assaulted her or not. What truly and seriously matters here is that *someone* of the typecast mold of Brett Kavanaugh circa the early 1980s is punished for all the other attacks and assaults that happened to all the other women.

Your post is a perfect example of why this has blown way beyond a simple he/she said story and why people continue to conveniently ignore the so many holes in Ford's story and testimony or that it could be reinterpreted so differently using the same basic information. You have simply swapped Ford for the other women you knew who were sexually assaulted and you are seeking Kavanaugh to be punished, not for what he allegedly did to Ford, but for those other victims. The truth of what happened that night doesn't matter here (if we were sincerely seeking the truth, the reaction to Ford would be very different). You say you believed Ford, but it's not because of her testimony, it's because you heard of similar sexual assaults happening elsewhere at the time and which went unreported or unresolved. You are simply seeking vengeance and Brett Kavanaugh must be the sacrificial victim.

Of course I knew assholes like Brett Kavanaugh when he was a teenager. I didn't like them. I especially did not like them. I'm very well aware that there have been scores of attacks of varying degrees on women and which were hushed up and hidden away. But I draw the line at punishing Brett Kavanaugh as a sacrificial victim for things he did not do. For that's not right. Two wrongs don't make a right. I view this matter solely as the situation between him and Ford and unfortunately it's too inconclusive and too weak to convincingly side with Ford. I don't wish to see Kavanaugh on the court, but I cannot also justify declaring him guilty based on what Ford told us and what we know of the circumstances.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Interesting water cooler talk in my office today. 4 co-workers. All DMV professionals. Aged 30-45. 2 white women, 1 white male, one AA male. One grew up in the DMV and went through FCPS. One from the South. One from the Midwest. some public HS, some private. Ect.

We all believe Ford, because we all knew the Bart O’Kavanaughs in our HS classes. The members of the football/basketball teams who hosted the keggers and did whatever it took to get under the cheerleaders’ skirts. They drank underage, and drove underage. In fact, one of the Bart’s in my high school was driving drunk and killed a cheerleader in an car accident my freshman year. He ended up in jail. And usually didn’t let little things like lack of consent stop them if they found themselves alone in a car with a girl. Three of us went to colleges where bad things happened at DKE parties. At my college, they were kicked off campus a couple years after I graduated.

The point is that we now literally have 700 pages of discussion about this for a reason. Yes, SCOTUS is important. And yes, this has become the train wreck you can’t look away from. But for many of us, what Ford is saying just rings true. We saw it happen in our high schools. We heard the whispers about the girls Monday mornings. We know girls who were date raped and became the talk of the school. We know that, for the most part, the boys went on to have pretty wives and nice UMC lives, occasionally punctuated by rehab stints. Then again, it is not uncommon for them to cheat on those women.

So now, you have two groups of people. Those who never thought it was fair that the Bart O’Kavanughs of the world were so untouchable and could get way with anything. And women especially are angry that took advantage of us, and then made jokes about the xxx alumni in the high school yearbook. We want Kavanugh voted down because we want it to be clear that what happened to us was not okay, and as a country we have come to realize that. We know that if Kavanaugh is seated, it says to the 2018 high school aged Bart O’Kavanaughs that they can take advantage of our daughters.

And I would imagine that it is dawning on all the Bart O’Kavanaughs out there that #MeToo could be coming for them.

This is so not about who did what to whom in the 1980s in Bethesda. Or a bar fights or what a Devils Triangle is. Or even liberals and conservatives. It’s about power. The power of the wealthy and men to get what they want at the expense of others. The power of women to have an equal say. In sex, in politics, at home, and in high school.

I am so over Ford and Brett and Sqi and PJ and why was the music already on. But I care 700 pages of DCUM about this because I want the Bart O’Kavanaugh of my DD’s high school to think twice before he touching my DD without her consent.

700 pages later and it still is just about Roe v. Wade.

[Anonymous]

Having conveniently developed amnesia that not too long ago, they supported a candidate who didn't pay his taxes, had multiple allegations of sexual assault against him and who insulted heads of state around the world in a way that embarassed our great nation.

I’m a republican, and DJT embarrasses me. I’m glad that a career politician is not in office, but I’m sad it’s he. And that is one of the differences between DJT and many other accused, both R and D, is that he was not an elected official at the time, but exactly as he lived his life as a wealthy playboy. I have not seen any sexual allegations or affairs which he has currently engaged since he has become president.

As it stands, one of the reasons I voted for him is exactly this issue: SCOTUS appointments. He has done an excellent job. Judge Kavanaugh has a 12 year record of being an outstanding judge and an exceptional, world class legal scholar - all his opinions are available for public inspection.

The last minute allegations come across exactly as Kavanaugh characterized them: a political hit job. On that principle alone he should be confirmed, and the confirmation process re-examined. Otherwise, get ready when any nominee of the majority is nominated to see more slimy tactics. I’m assuming that the D’s will be majority this next election cycle.

The R’s now look classy as to how they handled Merrick Garland. Even though it was manipulative to instigate procedural delays, they not destroy his character. This is beyond the pale.

[Anonymous]

^*did not*

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Now Kavanaugh's clerks are affirming that this investigation is a good thing.

https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/409598-three-former-kavanaugh-clerks-tell-senate-they-are-deeply-troubled-by

Three former law clerks for Brett Kavanaugh who wrote the Senate Judiciary Committee earlier this year expressing support for his nomination have written to clarify they are "deeply troubled" by the allegations of sexual assault against him.

In a letter to the Judiciary panel reported by HuffPost on Tuesday, former clerks Will Dreher, Bridget Fahey and Rakim Brooks said that an expanded FBI investigation into allegations from Christine Blasey Ford and two other women is merited.


"We write to clarify that, like many Americans, we have been deeply troubled by those allegations and the events surrounding them and were encouraged by the initiation of a formal FBI investigation," the three wrote in their letter.

"We hope, for the good of everyone involved, that the investigation will be independent and thorough," they continued.

Re-read the letter they wrote. They don't like the fact that their previous endorsements of Judge Kavanaugh are being used in a misleading way so it looks like they were responding to the current allegations.

[Anonymous]

The video clips of Trump mocking Ford will make great campaign ads. Pure gold!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Having conveniently developed amnesia that not too long ago, they supported a candidate who didn't pay his taxes, had multiple allegations of sexual assault against him and who insulted heads of state around the world in a way that embarassed our great nation.

I’m a republican, and DJT embarrasses me. I’m glad that a career politician is not in office, but I’m sad it’s he. And that is one of the differences between DJT and many other accused, both R and D, is that he was not an elected official at the time, but exactly as he lived his life as a wealthy playboy. I have not seen any sexual allegations or affairs which he has currently engaged since he has become president.

As it stands, one of the reasons I voted for him is exactly this issue: SCOTUS appointments. He has done an excellent job. Judge Kavanaugh has a 12 year record of being an outstanding judge and an exceptional, world class legal scholar - all his opinions are available for public inspection.

The last minute allegations come across exactly as Kavanaugh characterized them: a political hit job. On that principle alone he should be confirmed, and the confirmation process re-examined. Otherwise, get ready when any nominee of the majority is nominated to see more slimy tactics. I’m assuming that the D’s will be majority this next election cycle.

The R’s now look classy as to how they handled Merrick Garland. Even though it was manipulative to instigate procedural delays, they not destroy his character. This is beyond the pale.

So it doesn’t matter if the allegations are true. It doesn’t matter if he perjured and greatly misrepresented himself. It doesn’t matter that his judicial behavior has been questionable (and called out by multiple groups).

The ONLY thing that matters to you is getting back at the Ds for the TIMING of the allegations (not the content).

Got it. Spiteful to the end.

[Anonymous]

6:39: Desperation.
You seriously think that this is something posted by someone who, at the time, was serving as an appellate judge?

What I have discovered from this whole sorry story is just how gullible and desperate some of you are and how you make connections to events and terms where no connection exists.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Let me be clear: I don't really care how much Kavanaugh drank in the early 80s. I don't care whether or not he puked it up, threw ice, or said crass things about girls then either.

The ONLY reason it was even brought up in the hearing, was to try and imply that Kavanaugh could have gotten blackout drunk and assault Ford. It was ruse to sow doubt, and to try and get him to admit he was a choir boy, which he didn't do.

Ford, on the other hand, got to tell her story in a formal hearing in front of the whole world, was questioned by an expert in the field, and determined to not have enough detail or information to be deemed credible in her accusations against Kavanaugh.

Meanwhile, highly laughable individuals have come forward to take their turn at bat, one admitting she was wholly drunk and could not be sure herself, and the other with a sketchy history of lies, who backtracked on her own story.

And the latest is more of the same. And is making Democrats seem completely unhinged.

Let me repeat: I don't give one rat's a$$ about his high school years. Not one iota.

I don't care about his high school activities. None of it is disqualifying.

Lying about his high school activities in 2018 IS disqualifying.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Let me be clear: I don't really care how much Kavanaugh drank in the early 80s. I don't care whether or not he puked it up, threw ice, or said crass things about girls then either.

The ONLY reason it was even brought up in the hearing, was to try and imply that Kavanaugh could have gotten blackout drunk and assault Ford. It was ruse to sow doubt, and to try and get him to admit he was a choir boy, which he didn't do.

Ford, on the other hand, got to tell her story in a formal hearing in front of the whole world, was questioned by an expert in the field, and determined to not have enough detail or information to be deemed credible in her accusations against Kavanaugh.

Meanwhile, highly laughable individuals have come forward to take their turn at bat, one admitting she was wholly drunk and could not be sure herself, and the other with a sketchy history of lies, who backtracked on her own story.

And the latest is more of the same. And is making Democrats seem completely unhinged.

Let me repeat: I don't give one rat's a$$ about his high school years. Not one iota.

I don't care about his high school activities. None of it is disqualifying.

Lying about his high school activities in 2018 IS disqualifying.

He hasn’t lied about his HS activities.
But, you will believe he has because you haven’t believed him from the start.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Having conveniently developed amnesia that not too long ago, they supported a candidate who didn't pay his taxes, had multiple allegations of sexual assault against him and who insulted heads of state around the world in a way that embarassed our great nation.

I’m a republican, and DJT embarrasses me. I’m glad that a career politician is not in office, but I’m sad it’s he. And that is one of the differences between DJT and many other accused, both R and D, is that he was not an elected official at the time, but exactly as he lived his life as a wealthy playboy. I have not seen any sexual allegations or affairs which he has currently engaged since he has become president.

As it stands, one of the reasons I voted for him is exactly this issue: SCOTUS appointments. He has done an excellent job. Judge Kavanaugh has a 12 year record of being an outstanding judge and an exceptional, world class legal scholar - all his opinions are available for public inspection.

The last minute allegations come across exactly as Kavanaugh characterized them: a political hit job. On that principle alone he should be confirmed, and the confirmation process re-examined. Otherwise, get ready when any nominee of the majority is nominated to see more slimy tactics. I’m assuming that the D’s will be majority this next election cycle.

The R’s now look classy as to how they handled Merrick Garland. Even though it was manipulative to instigate procedural delays, they not destroy his character. This is beyond the pale.

So it doesn’t matter if the allegations are true. It doesn’t matter if he perjured and greatly misrepresented himself. It doesn’t matter that his judicial behavior has been questionable (and called out by multiple groups).

The ONLY thing that matters to you is getting back at the Ds for the TIMING of the allegations (not the content).

Got it. Spiteful to the end.

Not np. Her allegations are NOT true, this is a hit job on a white man, period. Throw Republican or Democrat around all you want, this is about men, specifically white men. She is troubled, goodness is she troubled, but this is not true. She has already lied in her story, either through her representatives or attorney, she has no credibility. The allegations are not true. Sorry.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Having conveniently developed amnesia that not too long ago, they supported a candidate who didn't pay his taxes, had multiple allegations of sexual assault against him and who insulted heads of state around the world in a way that embarassed our great nation.

I’m a republican, and DJT embarrasses me. I’m glad that a career politician is not in office, but I’m sad it’s he. And that is one of the differences between DJT and many other accused, both R and D, is that he was not an elected official at the time, but exactly as he lived his life as a wealthy playboy. I have not seen any sexual allegations or affairs which he has currently engaged since he has become president.

As it stands, one of the reasons I voted for him is exactly this issue: SCOTUS appointments. He has done an excellent job. Judge Kavanaugh has a 12 year record of being an outstanding judge and an exceptional, world class legal scholar - all his opinions are available for public inspection.

The last minute allegations come across exactly as Kavanaugh characterized them: a political hit job. On that principle alone he should be confirmed, and the confirmation process re-examined. Otherwise, get ready when any nominee of the majority is nominated to see more slimy tactics. I’m assuming that the D’s will be majority this next election cycle.

The R’s now look classy as to how they handled Merrick Garland. Even though it was manipulative to instigate procedural delays, they not destroy his character. This is beyond the pale.

Garland doesn't have a character to destroy.

Kavanaugh's character speaks for itself. He isn't SCOTUS material.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Let me be clear: I don't really care how much Kavanaugh drank in the early 80s. I don't care whether or not he puked it up, threw ice, or said crass things about girls then either.

The ONLY reason it was even brought up in the hearing, was to try and imply that Kavanaugh could have gotten blackout drunk and assault Ford. It was ruse to sow doubt, and to try and get him to admit he was a choir boy, which he didn't do.

Ford, on the other hand, got to tell her story in a formal hearing in front of the whole world, was questioned by an expert in the field, and determined to not have enough detail or information to be deemed credible in her accusations against Kavanaugh.

Meanwhile, highly laughable individuals have come forward to take their turn at bat, one admitting she was wholly drunk and could not be sure herself, and the other with a sketchy history of lies, who backtracked on her own story.

And the latest is more of the same. And is making Democrats seem completely unhinged.

Let me repeat: I don't give one rat's a$$ about his high school years. Not one iota.

I don't care about his high school activities. None of it is disqualifying.

Lying about his high school activities in 2018 IS disqualifying.

He hasn’t lied about his HS activities.
But, you will believe he has because you haven’t believed him from the start.

There are 29 verified lies. You may choose to believe his definition of Boof, but as a male who grew up in the same circles here, he is lying. Same with the other terms. Same with the other lies. He has violated the code of conduct for judges with his lack of candor.

[Anonymous]

"Let me repeat: I don't give one rat's a$$ about his high school years. Not one iota. "

Boy! Judge Kavanaugh would ask you WTF are you doing here instead of occupying Senator Jeff Flake's seat? I would have been on SCOTUS the third day of my life by now!