Superintendent's Recommendation for Richard Montgomery ES #5 Boundaries

[Anonymous]

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And what is the travel time for students on those buses now? It's not about bus pick up time, it's travel time. Are they 4 miles away from Beall (serious question, I have no idea)?

Since some trolls started talking that those bus route won't exist next year, let me stick to one example which will exist next year.

Route: 5313 - FALLSMEAD ES (GREEN) Start time : 8:07 A.M first stop End time 8:40 ..... That's 33 minutes of bus ride , right here in nearby school.

It was blown out of proportion by RP parents as if Fallsgrove is suffering too much and no other kids suffer this much and I actually believed it.

? I'm sorry, but why are you bringing in a different ES in a different cluster into this discussion? Lots of kids from all over have long bus rides because of the gerrymandering.

That area from Fallsmeade is so far away and will be rezoned to Crown as soon as it is built. It isn't like they had boundary studies done and made them go further. There is a boundary study NOW for the RM cluster and FG should not have to be bussed further, but sadly they are off in the corner really no where near any school. It is a shame how far they are already. Just keep them in their school and let that other section walk. I can't believe moving people further in all aspects should even be an option, especially for them. If they were 40% FARMS instead of only 13% people would be in an uproar how unfair it is to them. If they fight they look like elitists. They are in a no win situation. I say this as a walkable GC parent. If someone pulled me from walking or bussing further I would fight too.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

And what is the travel time for students on those buses now? It's not about bus pick up time, it's travel time. Are they 4 miles away from Beall (serious question, I have no idea)?

Since some trolls started talking that those bus route won't exist next year, let me stick to one example which will exist next year.

Route: 5313 - FALLSMEAD ES (GREEN) Start time : 8:07 A.M first stop End time 8:40 ..... That's 33 minutes of bus ride , right here in nearby school.

It was blown out of proportion by RP parents as if Fallsgrove is suffering too much and no other kids suffer this much and I actually believed it.

? I'm sorry, but why are you bringing in a different ES in a different cluster into this discussion? Lots of kids from all over have long bus rides because of the gerrymandering.

Because MCPS is one system. Many RP parents claimed that Fallsgrove kids got the worst deal in MCPS and cross XYZ elementary.

Just trying to put their ride time in perspective here. Many time question was asked "would you allow your kindergarten kids to ride 15-20 minutes.

I hope that question is not asked by any RP parent in future after looking at above bus times. Lots of kindergarten kids spend much longer than Falls grove kids. Many do it right now in Beall and many will do it in various MCPS schools.

Does that mean I advocate for long bus ride for Fallsgrove. Absolutely not. I was making sure that folks keep some perspective and not blow it out of proportion.

Will Beall's stay that long after they change the boundary. Are they making them bus longer? No

Sometimes in restructuring things happen. Boundaries need to shift. All the more reason not to break it all up into pieces now. It will be even harder to get kids in the right school if there is a map of various dots going to one school and the other.

[Anonymous]

Bussing short distances can be preferable to walking long ones. A parent without a car, or who has to work during those hours, will know their child has reliable transportation even when it's dark, raining, cold, etc.

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Anonymous wrote:Here is "standing ovation" lady troll again. I read the whole thing too. It says to integrate lower income housing within higher income neighborhoods. That is EXACTLY what MC does. In KF, PP, FG, RTC, and the new Tower Oaks. It NEVER once says to move walkable kids and bus them further them they they need to go. Not once. We are not talking about Potomac with no FARMS. This entire cluster is integrated with some FARMS and the middle school AND high school are both higher FARMS than 25% - and everyone is going there. Keep the kids close to home. That 1 child a class difference with extra hardship for more people is not what that report said. Not at all.

I've just proven that it is not one kid difference. Do you understand math at any reasonable level?

NP

How many kids is it then? I thought it was 1-2 kids per non CI class and no difference in overall school?

It is 2 kids per class on average.

Is that what people are really fighting for? 2 kids?? Everyone needs to get bussed further than their home school in Option E for 2 more kids per class? That doesn't even include the Chinese immersion families that are heavily invested in their school and community. Good God you people are strange. Who is behind this fight? What is the point. I am more confused now than ever. What is wrong with B again? My head hurts.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

And what is the travel time for students on those buses now? It's not about bus pick up time, it's travel time. Are they 4 miles away from Beall (serious question, I have no idea)?

Since some trolls started talking that those bus route won't exist next year, let me stick to one example which will exist next year.

Route: 5313 - FALLSMEAD ES (GREEN) Start time : 8:07 A.M first stop End time 8:40 ..... That's 33 minutes of bus ride , right here in nearby school.

It was blown out of proportion by RP parents as if Fallsgrove is suffering too much and no other kids suffer this much and I actually believed it.

? I'm sorry, but why are you bringing in a different ES in a different cluster into this discussion? Lots of kids from all over have long bus rides because of the gerrymandering.

That area from Fallsmeade is so far away and will be rezoned to Crown as soon as it is built. It isn't like they had boundary studies done and made them go further. There is a boundary study NOW for the RM cluster and FG should not have to be bussed further, but sadly they are off in the corner really no where near any school. It is a shame how far they are already. Just keep them in their school and let that other section walk. I can't believe moving people further in all aspects should even be an option, especially for them. If they were 40% FARMS instead of only 13% people would be in an uproar how unfair it is to them. If they fight they look like elitists. They are in a no win situation. I say this as a walkable GC parent. If someone pulled me from walking or bussing further I would fight too.

So you also believe B7 should not have to go to the new school since they have a ride just as long? There is no option that gives RP5 the longest bus ride. Why is that zone so special and why is no one else complaining?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

And what is the travel time for students on those buses now? It's not about bus pick up time, it's travel time. Are they 4 miles away from Beall (serious question, I have no idea)?

Since some trolls started talking that those bus route won't exist next year, let me stick to one example which will exist next year.

Route: 5313 - FALLSMEAD ES (GREEN) Start time : 8:07 A.M first stop End time 8:40 ..... That's 33 minutes of bus ride , right here in nearby school.

It was blown out of proportion by RP parents as if Fallsgrove is suffering too much and no other kids suffer this much and I actually believed it.

? I'm sorry, but why are you bringing in a different ES in a different cluster into this discussion? Lots of kids from all over have long bus rides because of the gerrymandering.

That area from Fallsmeade is so far away and will be rezoned to Crown as soon as it is built. It isn't like they had boundary studies done and made them go further. There is a boundary study NOW for the RM cluster and FG should not have to be bussed further, but sadly they are off in the corner really no where near any school. It is a shame how far they are already. Just keep them in their school and let that other section walk. I can't believe moving people further in all aspects should even be an option, especially for them. If they were 40% FARMS instead of only 13% people would be in an uproar how unfair it is to them. If they fight they look like elitists. They are in a no win situation. I say this as a walkable GC parent. If someone pulled me from walking or bussing further I would fight too.

So you also believe B7 should not have to go to the new school since they have a ride just as long? There is no option that gives RP5 the longest bus ride. Why is that zone so special and why is no one else complaining?

DP.. how do you know how long B7's bus ride will be to the new ES? On the map, the distance is really short. It looks about equidistant to Beall from the center of B7.

[Anonymous]

In my view there is no fighting.. its pretty much clear at this point..

The only remaining questions :
1. Is all of B5 coming over or its B5S/B6S pieces (I'd wager the whole B5 as per Dr. Smith's original recommendation)
2. Are RP2/RP6 staying with RP or moving to ES5 ( Highly unlikely they will stay with RP)

So fight is over , go home

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Is that what people are really fighting for? 2 kids?? Everyone needs to get bussed further than their home school in Option E for 2 more kids per class? That doesn't even include the Chinese immersion families that are heavily invested in their school and community. Good God you people are strange. Who is behind this fight? What is the point. I am more confused now than ever. What is wrong with B again? My head hurts.

It is easy for a clueless individual to say that 2 extra kids won't make any difference, but ask any teacher what it means to have 8 instead of 6 FARMS kids in their class. At 25% FARMS 6 kids have the chance to be brought to the same level as their peers close to the end of the elementary school. At 33% most of the 8 kids will still be behind at the end of elementary school. It's not about 2 kids. It is about 6 kids succeeding or 8 kids not succeeding.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

And what is the travel time for students on those buses now? It's not about bus pick up time, it's travel time. Are they 4 miles away from Beall (serious question, I have no idea)?

Since some trolls started talking that those bus route won't exist next year, let me stick to one example which will exist next year.

Route: 5313 - FALLSMEAD ES (GREEN) Start time : 8:07 A.M first stop End time 8:40 ..... That's 33 minutes of bus ride , right here in nearby school.

It was blown out of proportion by RP parents as if Fallsgrove is suffering too much and no other kids suffer this much and I actually believed it.

? I'm sorry, but why are you bringing in a different ES in a different cluster into this discussion? Lots of kids from all over have long bus rides because of the gerrymandering.

That area from Fallsmeade is so far away and will be rezoned to Crown as soon as it is built. It isn't like they had boundary studies done and made them go further. There is a boundary study NOW for the RM cluster and FG should not have to be bussed further, but sadly they are off in the corner really no where near any school. It is a shame how far they are already. Just keep them in their school and let that other section walk. I can't believe moving people further in all aspects should even be an option, especially for them. If they were 40% FARMS instead of only 13% people would be in an uproar how unfair it is to them. If they fight they look like elitists. They are in a no win situation. I say this as a walkable GC parent. If someone pulled me from walking or bussing further I would fight too.

So you also believe B7 should not have to go to the new school since they have a ride just as long? There is no option that gives RP5 the longest bus ride. Why is that zone so special and why is no one else complaining?

DP.. how do you know how long B7's bus ride will be to the new ES? On the map, the distance is really short. It looks about equidistant to Beall from the center of B7.

I am not the PP, but Beall is a much shorter ride than RM#5. Don't look at the map from air. That's the mistake folks make when they think about neat looking maps.

I live in B7. I actually timed it and it's a significantly longer ride to RM#5. Dept of transportation estimate for B7 zone is much higher as well for Rm#5 when compared to Beall. They gave those estimates a while back. B7 bus will have to first go to B5 to go to RM#5.

[Anonymous]

MCPS should just pick option D and give extra help to TB.

[Anonymous]

People not wanting too many farms kids in their kid's school is disgusting. I guess I'm the only MoCo progressive who genuinely welcomes REAL diversity.

[Anonymous]

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There is only one neighborhood advocating for option E and we all know which one that is.

RP2?

No they want to walk
HCA

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:People not wanting too many farms kids in their kid's school is disgusting. I guess I'm the only MoCo progressive who genuinely welcomes REAL diversity.

Yes you are the only one. Dramatic much?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:MCPS should just pick option D and give extra help to TB.

5 is the quiet long shot

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

And what is the travel time for students on those buses now? It's not about bus pick up time, it's travel time. Are they 4 miles away from Beall (serious question, I have no idea)?

Since some trolls started talking that those bus route won't exist next year, let me stick to one example which will exist next year.

Route: 5313 - FALLSMEAD ES (GREEN) Start time : 8:07 A.M first stop End time 8:40 ..... That's 33 minutes of bus ride , right here in nearby school.

It was blown out of proportion by RP parents as if Fallsgrove is suffering too much and no other kids suffer this much and I actually believed it.

? I'm sorry, but why are you bringing in a different ES in a different cluster into this discussion? Lots of kids from all over have long bus rides because of the gerrymandering.

That area from Fallsmeade is so far away and will be rezoned to Crown as soon as it is built. It isn't like they had boundary studies done and made them go further. There is a boundary study NOW for the RM cluster and FG should not have to be bussed further, but sadly they are off in the corner really no where near any school. It is a shame how far they are already. Just keep them in their school and let that other section walk. I can't believe moving people further in all aspects should even be an option, especially for them. If they were 40% FARMS instead of only 13% people would be in an uproar how unfair it is to them. If they fight they look like elitists. They are in a no win situation. I say this as a walkable GC parent. If someone pulled me from walking or bussing further I would fight too.

So you also believe B7 should not have to go to the new school since they have a ride just as long? There is no option that gives RP5 the longest bus ride. Why is that zone so special and why is no one else complaining?

DP.. how do you know how long B7's bus ride will be to the new ES? On the map, the distance is really short. It looks about equidistant to Beall from the center of B7.

I am not the PP, but Beall is a much shorter ride than RM#5. Don't look at the map from air. That's the mistake folks make when they think about neat looking maps.

I live in B7. I actually timed it and it's a significantly longer ride to RM#5. Dept of transportation estimate for B7 zone is much higher as well for Rm#5 when compared to Beall. They gave those estimates a while back. B7 bus will have to first go to B5 to go to RM#5.

You honestly make no sense and didn't answer the question.