Western High School Boundary Map options (A/B/C/D)

[Anonymous]

Look at the draft boundary maps

The new western school =

1000 kids from Westfield (McNair, Coates, and most Floris) +
350 Chantilly (Oak Hill kids) +
370-400 SLHS (Fox Mill/Floris) or Oakton (Crossfield)

The demographics would be similar to that of Chantilly high in my opinion.

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Anonymous wrote:The new school will be similar to Chantilly. Lots of high achievers and a good mix of diversity,

If you evaluate the new school based on building only, sure! If you evaluate the new school based on diversity, it will be as good as Herndon.

This new school will have the same population as Carson MS minus the AAP kids from Waples and Navy. Everyone goes on and on about how Carson is the best middle school in the County. Why would the Western High not be just as good? The AAP kids from Waples and Navy are just a tiny portion of the kids at Carson, they are definitely not the best and the brightest there by any stretch.

Dp. Minus those Navy/Waples AAP kids, and also minus either Fox Mill or Crossfield, and all of the students at Carson who end up at TJ.

Not sure how much of a difference that will make, but it's not the same population...

How many is this, honestly? An how much overlap is there with the Navy kids? Also the kids from Floris that go to Fox Mill + the kids from Oak Hill are all from high achieving families.

Oak hill are all from high achieving families.

From PP, The AAP kids from Waples and Navy are just a tiny portion of the kids at Carson, they are definitely not the best and the brightest there by any stretch

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Anonymous wrote:The new school will be similar to Chantilly. Lots of high achievers and a good mix of diversity,

If you evaluate the new school based on building only, sure! If you evaluate the new school based on diversity, it will be as good as Herndon.

This new school will have the same population as Carson MS minus the AAP kids from Waples and Navy. Everyone goes on and on about how Carson is the best middle school in the County. Why would the Western High not be just as good? The AAP kids from Waples and Navy are just a tiny portion of the kids at Carson, they are definitely not the best and the brightest there by any stretch.

You're forgetting the AAP kids at Carson from Lees Corner, in addition to those from Navy and Waples Mill, and it's unlikely the future boundaries of Western, once set, will include all of Coates, Floris, McNair, Oak Hill, Fox Mill, and Crossfield. They will likely include all of Coates and McNair, but on the other hand it's unlikely both Fox Mill and Crossfield will end up there.

It will be a perfectly fine school but down the road it's probably going to resemble Fairfax or Centreville in demographics more than Oakton or Chantilly. And that's OK, unless you decide it's not, in which case you'll have to deal with that if you're in the boundary.

Demographics will be similar to Carson. Oak Hill will replace Crossfield if Crossfield is not in boundary. If Fox Mill is not in boundary Oak Hill will replace Fox Mill.

So, demographics should be same as Carson--except for TJ kids.

This is simply wrong. Lots of Carson AAP kids won’t be at either Western or TJ.

The demographics will be just fine. Why do you want them not to be? Likely very similar to Chantilly.

Look up thread. I specifically said the demographics will be “fine.” Based on my assessment of the demographics and likely feeders, however, I don’t think they’ll mirror either Carson or Chantilly once there are fixed boundaries. I think Western will look more like Centreville or Fairfax.

And this is why Crossfield families want to stay at Oakton. That said, if it has an Aviation and/or AI academy-style program, how many kids that would otherwise have gone to TJ from Western Fairfax will go to Western instead?

I wouldn’t expect a lot of TJ-eligible kids opting for Western rather than TJ. Chantilly has a STEM academy but is still one of the four pyramids sending the most kids to TJ, along with McLean, Oakton, and Langley.

Agree. Also Poplar tree ES send the most kids to TJ within Chantilly pyramid.

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Anonymous wrote:The new school will be similar to Chantilly. Lots of high achievers and a good mix of diversity,

If you evaluate the new school based on building only, sure! If you evaluate the new school based on diversity, it will be as good as Herndon.

This new school will have the same population as Carson MS minus the AAP kids from Waples and Navy. Everyone goes on and on about how Carson is the best middle school in the County. Why would the Western High not be just as good? The AAP kids from Waples and Navy are just a tiny portion of the kids at Carson, they are definitely not the best and the brightest there by any stretch.

You're forgetting the AAP kids at Carson from Lees Corner, in addition to those from Navy and Waples Mill, and it's unlikely the future boundaries of Western, once set, will include all of Coates, Floris, McNair, Oak Hill, Fox Mill, and Crossfield. They will likely include all of Coates and McNair, but on the other hand it's unlikely both Fox Mill and Crossfield will end up there.

It will be a perfectly fine school but down the road it's probably going to resemble Fairfax or Centreville in demographics more than Oakton or Chantilly. And that's OK, unless you decide it's not, in which case you'll have to deal with that if you're in the boundary.

Demographics will be similar to Carson. Oak Hill will replace Crossfield if Crossfield is not in boundary. If Fox Mill is not in boundary Oak Hill will replace Fox Mill.

So, demographics should be same as Carson--except for TJ kids.

This is simply wrong. Lots of Carson AAP kids won’t be at either Western or TJ.

The demographics will be just fine. Why do you want them not to be? Likely very similar to Chantilly.

Look up thread. I specifically said the demographics will be “fine.” Based on my assessment of the demographics and likely feeders, however, I don’t think they’ll mirror either Carson or Chantilly once there are fixed boundaries. I think Western will look more like Centreville or Fairfax.

And this is why Crossfield families want to stay at Oakton. That said, if it has an Aviation and/or AI academy-style program, how many kids that would otherwise have gone to TJ from Western Fairfax will go to Western instead?

I wouldn’t expect a lot of TJ-eligible kids opting for Western rather than TJ. Chantilly has a STEM academy but is still one of the four pyramids sending the most kids to TJ, along with McLean, Oakton, and Langley.

Agree. Also Poplar tree ES send the most kids to TJ within Chantilly pyramid.

Where do you find that statistic? I've never seen breakdown by elementary school.

[Anonymous]

Vocational AI/ML and aviation is nothing like the holistic, well-rounded, STEM-focused curriculum at TJ. AI/ML is more akin to IT electives. Good job opportunities to be found for sure, but it is not the traditional grounding in math and science that top colleges look for.

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Anonymous wrote:Look at the draft boundary maps

The new western school =

1000 kids from Westfield (McNair, Coates, and most Floris) +
350 Chantilly (Oak Hill kids) +
370-400 SLHS (Fox Mill/Floris) or Oakton (Crossfield)

The demographics would be similar to that of Chantilly high in my opinion.

Has it been settled yet if any grades allowed to opt-out of going to new school? Can about to be seniors class of 2027 stay at school they are at now? Anyone else allowed to stay either because of their year in school now or because have siblings already in current school?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Look at the draft boundary maps

The new western school =

1000 kids from Westfield (McNair, Coates, and most Floris) +
350 Chantilly (Oak Hill kids) +
370-400 SLHS (Fox Mill/Floris) or Oakton (Crossfield)

The demographics would be similar to that of Chantilly high in my opinion.

Has it been settled yet if any grades allowed to opt-out of going to new school? Can about to be seniors class of 2027 stay at school they are at now? Anyone else allowed to stay either because of their year in school now or because have siblings already in current school?

I believe that this year is opt-in. Next year is opt-out. Third year is you attend unless you pupil place to another school. But the kids finish where they start, so kids opting to stay at their current assigned school will graduate from that school. Current 6th graders will have to pupil place to a different school, which will mean missing a year of playing a sport, to attend the school that they would have been assigned to.

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Anonymous wrote:The new school will be similar to Chantilly. Lots of high achievers and a good mix of diversity,

If you evaluate the new school based on building only, sure! If you evaluate the new school based on diversity, it will be as good as Herndon.

This new school will have the same population as Carson MS minus the AAP kids from Waples and Navy. Everyone goes on and on about how Carson is the best middle school in the County. Why would the Western High not be just as good? The AAP kids from Waples and Navy are just a tiny portion of the kids at Carson, they are definitely not the best and the brightest there by any stretch.

You're forgetting the AAP kids at Carson from Lees Corner, in addition to those from Navy and Waples Mill, and it's unlikely the future boundaries of Western, once set, will include all of Coates, Floris, McNair, Oak Hill, Fox Mill, and Crossfield. They will likely include all of Coates and McNair, but on the other hand it's unlikely both Fox Mill and Crossfield will end up there.

It will be a perfectly fine school but down the road it's probably going to resemble Fairfax or Centreville in demographics more than Oakton or Chantilly. And that's OK, unless you decide it's not, in which case you'll have to deal with that if you're in the boundary.

Demographics will be similar to Carson. Oak Hill will replace Crossfield if Crossfield is not in boundary. If Fox Mill is not in boundary Oak Hill will replace Fox Mill.

So, demographics should be same as Carson--except for TJ kids.

This is simply wrong. Lots of Carson AAP kids won’t be at either Western or TJ.

The demographics will be just fine. Why do you want them not to be? Likely very similar to Chantilly.

Look up thread. I specifically said the demographics will be “fine.” Based on my assessment of the demographics and likely feeders, however, I don’t think they’ll mirror either Carson or Chantilly once there are fixed boundaries. I think Western will look more like Centreville or Fairfax.

And this is why Crossfield families want to stay at Oakton. That said, if it has an Aviation and/or AI academy-style program, how many kids that would otherwise have gone to TJ from Western Fairfax will go to Western instead?

Very few, if any. The point of TJ isn't a STEM based curriculum. The point is a STEM based curriculum with advanced students. The peer group is the draw, and that's achieved through a competitive application process, not by offering an AI or aviation focus.

I bet a lot of kids who don't get into TJ from this area may be interested, however.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The new school will be similar to Chantilly. Lots of high achievers and a good mix of diversity,

If you evaluate the new school based on building only, sure! If you evaluate the new school based on diversity, it will be as good as Herndon.

This new school will have the same population as Carson MS minus the AAP kids from Waples and Navy. Everyone goes on and on about how Carson is the best middle school in the County. Why would the Western High not be just as good? The AAP kids from Waples and Navy are just a tiny portion of the kids at Carson, they are definitely not the best and the brightest there by any stretch.

Dp. Minus those Navy/Waples AAP kids, and also minus either Fox Mill or Crossfield, and all of the students at Carson who end up at TJ.

Not sure how much of a difference that will make, but it's not the same population...

How many is this, honestly? An how much overlap is there with the Navy kids? Also the kids from Floris that go to Fox Mill + the kids from Oak Hill are all from high achieving families.

Oak hill are all from high achieving families.

From PP, The AAP kids from Waples and Navy are just a tiny portion of the kids at Carson, they are definitely not the best and the brightest there by any stretch

I am reasonably certain that many of the top kids in Mathcounts are from Navy. I believe the same is true for Science Olympiad. A lot of the kids from those two activities go to Oakton or TJ. Not saying that dictates anything but that the kids who seem to be most interested in, or at least participate in, the STEM competitive clubs seem to come from Navy. I don’t know everyone, just going off of what the few kids I know who participate have said.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Vocational AI/ML and aviation is nothing like the holistic, well-rounded, STEM-focused curriculum at TJ. AI/ML is more akin to IT electives. Good job opportunities to be found for sure, but it is not the traditional grounding in math and science that top colleges look for.

Aw, look at TJ mommy trying to insult Western families by saying it's a "vocational" program. Try harder.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Look at the draft boundary maps

The new western school =

1000 kids from Westfield (McNair, Coates, and most Floris) +
350 Chantilly (Oak Hill kids) +
370-400 SLHS (Fox Mill/Floris) or Oakton (Crossfield)

The demographics would be similar to that of Chantilly high in my opinion.

Has it been settled yet if any grades allowed to opt-out of going to new school? Can about to be seniors class of 2027 stay at school they are at now? Anyone else allowed to stay either because of their year in school now or because have siblings already in current school?

Three years - current 6th, 7th, and 8th will be able to opt out.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Look at the draft boundary maps

The new western school =

1000 kids from Westfield (McNair, Coates, and most Floris) +
350 Chantilly (Oak Hill kids) +
370-400 SLHS (Fox Mill/Floris) or Oakton (Crossfield)

The demographics would be similar to that of Chantilly high in my opinion.

Has it been settled yet if any grades allowed to opt-out of going to new school? Can about to be seniors class of 2027 stay at school they are at now? Anyone else allowed to stay either because of their year in school now or because have siblings already in current school?

Three years - current 6th, 7th, and 8th will be able to opt out.

Plus everyone who is in high school now.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The new school will be similar to Chantilly. Lots of high achievers and a good mix of diversity,

If you evaluate the new school based on building only, sure! If you evaluate the new school based on diversity, it will be as good as Herndon.

This new school will have the same population as Carson MS minus the AAP kids from Waples and Navy. Everyone goes on and on about how Carson is the best middle school in the County. Why would the Western High not be just as good? The AAP kids from Waples and Navy are just a tiny portion of the kids at Carson, they are definitely not the best and the brightest there by any stretch.

You're forgetting the AAP kids at Carson from Lees Corner, in addition to those from Navy and Waples Mill, and it's unlikely the future boundaries of Western, once set, will include all of Coates, Floris, McNair, Oak Hill, Fox Mill, and Crossfield. They will likely include all of Coates and McNair, but on the other hand it's unlikely both Fox Mill and Crossfield will end up there.

It will be a perfectly fine school but down the road it's probably going to resemble Fairfax or Centreville in demographics more than Oakton or Chantilly. And that's OK, unless you decide it's not, in which case you'll have to deal with that if you're in the boundary.

Demographics will be similar to Carson. Oak Hill will replace Crossfield if Crossfield is not in boundary. If Fox Mill is not in boundary Oak Hill will replace Fox Mill.

So, demographics should be same as Carson--except for TJ kids.

This is simply wrong. Lots of Carson AAP kids won’t be at either Western or TJ.

The demographics will be just fine. Why do you want them not to be? Likely very similar to Chantilly.

Look up thread. I specifically said the demographics will be “fine.” Based on my assessment of the demographics and likely feeders, however, I don’t think they’ll mirror either Carson or Chantilly once there are fixed boundaries. I think Western will look more like Centreville or Fairfax.

And this is why Crossfield families want to stay at Oakton. That said, if it has an Aviation and/or AI academy-style program, how many kids that would otherwise have gone to TJ from Western Fairfax will go to Western instead?

Very few, if any. The point of TJ isn't a STEM based curriculum. The point is a STEM based curriculum with advanced students. The peer group is the draw, and that's achieved through a competitive application process, not by offering an AI or aviation focus.

I bet a lot of kids who don't get into TJ from this area may be interested, however.

How many of those kids try to pupil place at Chantilly? I am guessing that kids interested in the STEM pathway are supposed to be allowed to pupil place ven with the school being over crowded. I would guess more kids aim to pupil place at Langley and Oakton for their programs then Chantilly. I would guess that will stay the same with the new school until people have an idea about what the programs really look like. I think pupil placement will come from Herndon, SLHS, and Westfield. Herndon kids who had been going to SLHS might shift to Western for AP and the special track. SLHS kids going to Herndon, Langley, and Oakton will probably shift to Western. I know some Westfield kids shift to SLHS, I don’t know if they are doing that for Japanese or IB or because they have friends at SLHS so I am not sure how that will be affected.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The new school will be similar to Chantilly. Lots of high achievers and a good mix of diversity,

If you evaluate the new school based on building only, sure! If you evaluate the new school based on diversity, it will be as good as Herndon.

This new school will have the same population as Carson MS minus the AAP kids from Waples and Navy. Everyone goes on and on about how Carson is the best middle school in the County. Why would the Western High not be just as good? The AAP kids from Waples and Navy are just a tiny portion of the kids at Carson, they are definitely not the best and the brightest there by any stretch.

Dp. Minus those Navy/Waples AAP kids, and also minus either Fox Mill or Crossfield, and all of the students at Carson who end up at TJ.

Not sure how much of a difference that will make, but it's not the same population...

How many is this, honestly? An how much overlap is there with the Navy kids? Also the kids from Floris that go to Fox Mill + the kids from Oak Hill are all from high achieving families.

Oak hill are all from high achieving families.

From PP, The AAP kids from Waples and Navy are just a tiny portion of the kids at Carson, they are definitely not the best and the brightest there by any stretch

I am reasonably certain that many of the top kids in Mathcounts are from Navy. I believe the same is true for Science Olympiad. A lot of the kids from those two activities go to Oakton or TJ. Not saying that dictates anything but that the kids who seem to be most interested in, or at least participate in, the STEM competitive clubs seem to come from Navy. I don’t know everyone, just going off of what the few kids I know who participate have said.

That's fine, because Western isn't going to be a STEM school. Frankly, we don't want the Navy kids there anyway. They have a reputation at Carson as being incredibly arrogant, I don't think they and their parents are particularly loved by staff.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Look at the draft boundary maps

The new western school =

1000 kids from Westfield (McNair, Coates, and most Floris) +
350 Chantilly (Oak Hill kids) +
370-400 SLHS (Fox Mill/Floris) or Oakton (Crossfield)

The demographics would be similar to that of Chantilly high in my opinion.

Has it been settled yet if any grades allowed to opt-out of going to new school? Can about to be seniors class of 2027 stay at school they are at now? Anyone else allowed to stay either because of their year in school now or because have siblings already in current school?

Three years - current 6th, 7th, and 8th will be able to opt out.

I don’t think 6th can opt out but that could have changed.