Fire in upper NW?

[Anonymous]

Adding the fact (NG) that cash deliveries are COMMON is her saying the cash wasn't for ransom. So she is basically saying she believes it was a coincidence then. Interesting.

[Anonymous]

So it's now Wednesday, about exactly a week after this atrocity began. It was reported that sifting evidence at their house would take a whole lot of time.

[jsteele]

Anonymous wrote:Adding the fact (NG) that cash deliveries are COMMON is her saying the cash wasn't for ransom. So she is basically saying she believes it was a coincidence then. Interesting.

I think she is saying that a request for a large cash delivery wouldn't by itself be a surprise or cause for concern because such deliveries (obviously, not to the porch) were not uncommon.

[Anonymous]

http://www.policemag.com/channel/gangs/articles/2002/08/in-the-hood.aspx

I posted this earlier, but posting for the rush-hour crowd describing how the more sophisticated home invaders work.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Adding the fact (NG) that cash deliveries are COMMON is her saying the cash wasn't for ransom. So she is basically saying she believes it was a coincidence then. Interesting.

This leads me back to AIW. Someone there knew the money was going out. Maybe it was supposed to go to Chantilly and the assistant was already planning on that when they got the call to just drop it at the house. Plus we all assume it was just in some package on the porch. Maybe they had a box it was put in on the porch.

[Anonymous]

I am having a hard time with the timeline--did the call the husband made happen during the time they were taken hostage?

IIRC, the call was to tell the second housekeeper not to come. Lending more credibility to the theory that the killers were known to the second housekeeper.

[Anonymous]

Here is the distance between the church and AIW. I bet these were employees or ex-employees. For the man to run on foot tells me he lives within running distance. Plus this was a brutal murder..usually when you take the time to torture someones child in front of you, torture your wife, torture you especially for ten hours, burn home, burn car, it is because it is personal. Doesn't sound like the maid in the home was tortured like the others(no personal connection). Just sayin

https://www.google.com/maps/dir/St+Christopher's+Episcopal+Church,+Lanham,+MD/american+iron+works/@38.9406307,-76.9323734,13z/data=!3m1!4b1!4m13!4m12!1m5!1m1!1s0x89b7c1074bc64b1f:0x790c72a826c6240b!2m2!1d-76.873306!2d38.954833!1m5!1m1!1s0x89b7c74f5e52636d:0x66f738d17973c3ed!2m2!1d-76.929445!2d38.928894

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I am having a hard time with the timeline--did the call the husband made happen during the time they were taken hostage?

IIRC, the call was to tell the second housekeeper not to come. Lending more credibility to the theory that the killers were known to the second housekeeper.

Please read the whole thread. The timeline was laid out in detail last night.

[Anonymous]

It's hard to connect it to an AWI employee or a housekeeper relation IF there is a link between this case and the unusual sightings in the neighborhood - the vacuum salesperson, the person banging on a door and/or the prowler. If one or more of those people are involved in this crime, it speaks to a more random, even crazier criminal approach where they were looking for an opportunity.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It's hard to connect it to an AWI employee or a housekeeper relation IF there is a link between this case and the unusual sightings in the neighborhood - the vacuum salesperson, the person banging on a door and/or the prowler. If one or more of those people are involved in this crime, it speaks to a more random, even crazier criminal approach where they were looking for an opportunity.

Pretty sure it was the maids husband banging on the door.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It's hard to connect it to an AWI employee or a housekeeper relation IF there is a link between this case and the unusual sightings in the neighborhood - the vacuum salesperson, the person banging on a door and/or the prowler. If one or more of those people are involved in this crime, it speaks to a more random, even crazier criminal approach where they were looking for an opportunity.

Pretty sure it was the maids husband banging on the door.

Sorry - I was referencing something I read earlier about someone being sighted banging on another home's front door earlier last week.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Where did you hear the voicemail? Seems like someone is saying that the little boy could be heard in the background???

They removed that portion of the audio.

I listened several times and it didn't sound out of the ordinary to me.

Because you heard the second, edited version. The first version will haunt me. It seems to have been completely taken down from the ABC News website, as it they had never posted it - and they ran the shortened version instead, in which you can't really hear anything.

Which is a good thing.

No, I heard the kids n the background in the original version but the sound wasn't particularly haunting.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Here is the distance between the church and AIW. I bet these were employees or ex-employees. For the man to run on foot tells me he lives within running distance. Plus this was a brutal murder..usually when you take the time to torture someones child in front of you, torture your wife, torture you especially for ten hours, burn home, burn car, it is because it is personal. Doesn't sound like the maid in the home was tortured like the others(no personal connection). Just sayin

https://www.google.com/maps/dir/St+Christopher's+Episcopal+Church,+Lanham,+MD/american+iron+works/@38.9406307,-76.9323734,13z/data=!3m1!4b1!4m13!4m12!1m5!1m1!1s0x89b7c1074bc64b1f:0x790c72a826c6240b!2m2!1d-76.873306!2d38.954833!1m5!1m1!1s0x89b7c74f5e52636d:0x66f738d17973c3ed!2m2!1d-76.929445!2d38.928894

Not saying you're wrong, because I have no idea, but it wouldn't make as much sense to torture the maid because she has nothing to give them. (Presumably.) If you're looking for cash you focus on the homeowner usually, not the maid. And if you have the homeowner's wife, husband, and especially child handy, you don't need to torture the maid either, because any of the other three targets presumably are much better for getting the results you want. If I hadn't read the housekeeper was found in a chair with the other adults, I would have assumed they'd killed her immediately. One less person to keep track of while you focus on the parents and child. And maybe they did and left her there for them to think about while they themselves were tortured or while their son was tortured. I wouldn't put anything past someone who could perpetrate a crime like this.

And then I assume they killed everyone, even if they hadn't been planning to do so from the start, to keep them from identifying them later. So sickening.

[Anonymous]

I just read that the slain housekeeper's husband went to the house that morning to look for his wife. Ugh, how awful for him, he must be beside himself for not calling the police.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Here is the distance between the church and AIW. I bet these were employees or ex-employees. For the man to run on foot tells me he lives within running distance. Plus this was a brutal murder..usually when you take the time to torture someones child in front of you, torture your wife, torture you especially for ten hours, burn home, burn car, it is because it is personal. Doesn't sound like the maid in the home was tortured like the others(no personal connection). Just sayin

https://www.google.com/maps/dir/St+Christopher's+Episcopal+Church,+Lanham,+MD/american+iron+works/@38.9406307,-76.9323734,13z/data=!3m1!4b1!4m13!4m12!1m5!1m1!1s0x89b7c1074bc64b1f:0x790c72a826c6240b!2m2!1d-76.873306!2d38.954833!1m5!1m1!1s0x89b7c74f5e52636d:0x66f738d17973c3ed!2m2!1d-76.929445!2d38.928894

Not saying you're wrong, because I have no idea, but it wouldn't make as much sense to torture the maid because she has nothing to give them. (Presumably.) If you're looking for cash you focus on the homeowner usually, not the maid. And if you have the homeowner's wife, husband, and especially child handy, you don't need to torture the maid either, because any of the other three targets presumably are much better for getting the results you want. If I hadn't read the housekeeper was found in a chair with the other adults, I would have assumed they'd killed her immediately. One less person to keep track of while you focus on the parents and child. And maybe they did and left her there for them to think about while they themselves were tortured or while their son was tortured. I wouldn't put anything past someone who could perpetrate a crime like this.

And then I assume they killed everyone, even if they hadn't been planning to do so from the start, to keep them from identifying them later. So sickening.

Well if we are going off that theory then why torture the wife if you have the kid or vice versa..reports said that it was an obvious bloody slain that took place..if your not slaying everyone I'd think you're not doing it because of satisfaction of doing it..your doing it because it is personal. Like the perp hates this guy so much he's going to make him watch him ruin his world but doesn't touch the maid in that way because she has done nothing to him...understand? The whole thing doesn't make a lot of sense but you don't beat and stab and burn people if it's not personal.